Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[dynoguy88]

I wonder what physical evidence from the crime scene he is talking about that is good enough to test for DNA. Even if it provided some answers, couldn't it just as easily point to other people who used the phone booth that day?

[Sundance]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

I wonder what physical evidence from the crime scene he is talking about that is good enough to test for DNA. Even if it provided some answers, couldn't it just as easily point to other people who used the phone booth that day?

Unless they had evidence from the boyfriend's car still available (or the car itself) I can't imagine what they could possibly test...

[chacha6581]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

I wonder what physical evidence from the crime scene he is talking about that is good enough to test for DNA. Even if it provided some answers, couldn't it just as easily point to other people who used the phone booth that day?

I know!
I know the abductor went into the other phone booth and grabbed the phone right? Maybe the abductor dropped something in the struggle and they never released that info?

[Sundance]

Originally Posted by chacha6581

I know!
I know the abductor went into the other phone booth and grabbed the phone right? Maybe the abductor dropped something in the struggle and they never released that info?

Somebody call/email down there for some info!

[chacha6581]

Originally Posted by Sundance

Somebody call/email down there for some info!

You just volunteered yourself.

[CuriousMind90]

Wouldn't some person calling in to the Clinton, MO police department out of the blue saying, "Hey, do you guys have any updates on the Angela Hammond case. What? No, no, I'm not family. No, I didn't know her in life either. I'm just...um...curious?" seem pretty suspicious to the police, regardless if you had the best intentions and really just wanted to know. Would they even release any info to someone who called them anyway?

[Sundance]

Originally Posted by CuriousMind90

Wouldn't some person calling in to the Clinton, MO police department out of the blue saying, "Hey, do you guys have any updates on the Angela Hammond case. What? No, no, I'm not family. No, I didn't know her in life either. I'm just...um...curious?" seem pretty suspicious to the police, regardless if you had the best intentions and really just wanted to know. Would they even release any info to someone who called them anyway?

I emailed the local media in the area, I asked about their 2009 article about the new evidence, they gave me their phone number and said:
-Nothing new to report.
Micah Bray
KCTV5/My KSMO

[chacha6581]

Originally Posted by CuriousMind90

Wouldn't some person calling in to the Clinton, MO police department out of the blue saying, "Hey, do you guys have any updates on the Angela Hammond case. What? No, no, I'm not family. No, I didn't know her in life either. I'm just...um...curious?" seem pretty suspicious to the police, regardless if you had the best intentions and really just wanted to know. Would they even release any info to someone who called them anyway?

Actually, people do it everyday. Lots of concerned citizens

[mwcarolina]

Originally Posted by Sundance

No witnesses at all, the story we have is from one person (very Hollywood bad-movie story), a guy who after his car died didn't look for another car or anybody to give chase, nobody heard any of this downtown, etc...I think the easiest explanation to all of this, is the boyfriend had something to do with it (everything to do with it)...

Well, the no witnesses part is simple, it's late at night. the looking for another car part is explained with, what are you going to do???? and i think you mention her calling from a pay phone, people need to remember that this is a small town in like the late 80s early 90s. i think it's VERY possible of a crime like this happening. the guy is likely a loner who saw an opportunity and took it and if she's dead, he killed her and hid the body in another town or state. i cant see it being the boyfriend because the timeline doesnt fit and he's young which means he would've made ALOT of mistakes and i think if he did it, she would've been found.

Originally Posted by chacha6581

I know!
I know the abductor went into the other phone booth and grabbed the phone right? Maybe the abductor dropped something in the struggle and they never released that info?

you know what, i could agree with this. maybe he left something behind in the booth next to Angela's.

[Sundance]

What are you going to do? Yell, scream, run to every car and house you can find nearby, that's what you're going to do...People mention this timeline a lot, I might be missing something but what timeline? The only timeline I see is once again, his story...

[chacha6581]

Originally Posted by Sundance

What are you going to do? Yell, scream, run to every car and house you can find nearby, that's what you're going to do...People mention this timeline a lot, I might be missing something but what timeline? The only timeline I see is once again, his story...

She had just left her mother's home which was about 20 miles away. I believe that her mother confirmed the time that she left.
One question. Did Angela have a working home phone? Maybe that's why she stopped at a payphone. Or maybe she lived with a phone hog like my brother used to be.
No matter the reason for her stopping to use the phone she is still a victim. I wish more of the focus could be on the creep who snatched her. Too bad a lot is not known. I have always wondered if the creeper may be younger than thought. By that I mean, when I was 18, people over 26 were old. Ha! Views change as you get older, have children, etc...

[CuriousMind90]

Originally Posted by chacha6581

She had just left her mother's home which was about 20 miles away. I believe that her mother confirmed the time that she left.
One question. Did Angela have a working home phone? Maybe that's why she stopped at a payphone. Or maybe she lived with a phone hog like my brother used to be.
No matter the reason for her stopping to use the phone she is still a victim. I wish more of the focus could be on the creep who snatched her. Too bad a lot is not known. I have always wondered if the creeper may be younger than thought. By that I mean, when I was 18, people over 26 were old. Ha! Views change as you get older, have children, etc...

According to her brother when he posted here a while back, Angela didn't have a home phone.

I've considered the guy's age...If he was a young guy he may still be alive, well and free. I put his age somewhere between 18 and 37 at the time (1991), which would make him somewhere between his 30s and 50s now...Either way, young enough to still be alive if he was never put away for something else.

[chacha6581]

Thank you for posting that!! I think that the guy is out there somewhere and do not think that was his first time at the rodeo if you know what I mean. Seems like a random town to abduct her huh? Or maybe not so random at all. Maybe he worked there before or had a relative living there, or even grew up there.....

[CuriousMind90]

Originally Posted by chacha6581

Thank you for posting that!! I think that the guy is out there somewhere and do not think that was his first time at the rodeo if you know what I mean. Seems like a random town to abduct her huh? Or maybe not so random at all. Maybe he worked there before or had a relative living there, or even grew up there.....

He at the very least knew the backroads.
Do a google maps search on the area where the perp turned off...Total backroads. Desolate looking. It continues off to an area abounded with parks and lakes, or leads to a highway leading to the next county. It's a very specific pathway and he seems he knew his way around, given the path he took.

Angela was abducted at the corner of 210 South 2nd Street, Clinton Missouri. If you look at the ground image, she was abducted from the corner, just across the street from the Church, where the light pole is. That's where the phone booth was in 1991. A picture I saw of the phone booth from the inside showed that you could see the Church from the view of the phone booth.

According to an article I read, Rob lost the perp when he made a turn on Calvird road...But I'm not sure if it's East or West Calvird (if you look at google maps, you'll see you can either go left or right).

Even if he wasn't a native, I'd say he knew the area at least slightly well. The relative or employment hypothesis is a good one.

[chacha6581]

Originally Posted by CuriousMind90

He at the very least knew the backroads.
Do a google maps search on the area where the perp turned off...Total backroads. Desolate looking. It continues off to an area abounded with parks and lakes, or leads to a highway leading to the next county. It's a very specific pathway and he seems he knew his way around, given the path he took.

Angela was abducted at the corner of 210 South 2nd Street, Clinton Missouri. If you look at the ground image, she was abducted from the corner, just across the street from the Church, where the light pole is. That's where the phone booth was in 1991. A picture I saw of the phone booth from the inside showed that you could see the Church from the view of the phone booth.

According to an article I read, Rob lost the perp when he made a turn on Calvird road...But I'm not sure if it's East or West Calvird (if you look at google maps, you'll see you can either go left or right).

Even if he wasn't a native, I'd say he knew the area at least slightly well. The relative or employment hypothesis is a good one.

Awesome job!!
They didn't say if the abductor had a weapon right? Because the way that Angela was hollering in the car, if he had a gun or a knife lunging at her, she would be more likely to be silent, agree? My point is, how far do you think that the creep could drive and keep Angela from getting out of the truck?