Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by melskie007

3) she yelled for robs name and was struggling with the trucker so she was not subdued quickly as you referenced here.

5) as you mentioned. the guy maybe weird? but why are you being hypocritical with the original conclusion i came up with? You mention in your first paragraph me coming to the conclusion based on a stereo typical but later you come to the same conclusion pretty much in so many words? calling him a weirdo and perhaps standing out? well, if he had in fact stood out i believe there would have been more witnesses to him driving off with her, wouldnt you say? and we all know he was rugged as she described so the question now is the scenerio in which she was in? Where in fact the kidnapping took place? what was around the area? I see info here so I do want to check this out on the map. This is key to investigating this as well as what type of profile he was of a person. Many here speculate him being a fisher, truck driver, living in wooded parts perhaps? He had to have come into town for a reason, huh? it wasnt originally to pick her up, she was at the phone booth and he saw her as he drove by..so why did he come to town? who knows? this is what we must figure out? You are correct about looking at this further and i have presented many interesting points as some others have as well..so lets see about working as an effort to see what our minds come up with.

Why did he come to town you ask?

Well as I have stated many times I beileve he came to town to abduct someone. Obviously he didnt set out to abduct Angela because he had no idea she'd be there. Serial killers do this as a means to find victims. They will drive around and look for an opportunity and when it arrises they take it. That is what happened here. Back in 1991 very few people had cell phones so the idea of a killer lurking around payphones waiting for a victim isnt that far fetched. How else do these random type killers get their victims?? They have to simply find a situation that looks right and act on it.

[SageSlowdive]

Originally Posted by kane7474

Why did he come to town you ask?

Well as I have stated many times I beileve he came to town to abduct someone. Obviously he didnt set out to abduct Angela because he had no idea she'd be there. Serial killers do this as a means to find victims. They will drive around and look for an opportunity and when it arrises they take it. That is what happened here. Back in 1991 very few people had cell phones so the idea of a killer lurking around payphones waiting for a victim isnt that far fetched. How else do these random type killers get their victims?? They have to simply find a situation that looks right and act on it.

Exactly.

[Clockworkhigh]

To this day, I don't think any segment haunts me as much. Rob is innocent in my eyes, or he deserves an Oscar for making sure everything from the transmission breaking on his car to the calculated phone call from Angela.

It would bother me to not know what happened to my future wife to this day even if I carried on with my life. I don't think a day would go by without thinking about it.

[cocytus]

Originally Posted by melskie007

3) she yelled for robs name and was struggling with the trucker so she was not subdued quickly as you referenced here.

5) as you mentioned. the guy maybe weird? but why are you being hypocritical with the original conclusion i came up with? You mention in your first paragraph me coming to the conclusion based on a stereo typical but later you come to the same conclusion pretty much in so many words? calling him a weirdo and perhaps standing out? well, if he had in fact stood out i believe there would have been more witnesses to him driving off with her, wouldnt you say? and we all know he was rugged as she described so the question now is the scenerio in which she was in? Where in fact the kidnapping took place? what was around the area? I see info here so I do want to check this out on the map. This is key to investigating this as well as what type of profile he was of a person. Many here speculate him being a fisher, truck driver, living in wooded parts perhaps? He had to have come into town for a reason, huh? it wasnt originally to pick her up, she was at the phone booth and he saw her as he drove by..so why did he come to town? who knows? this is what we must figure out? You are correct about looking at this further and i have presented many interesting points as some others have as well..so lets see about working as an effort to see what our minds come up with.

1) The narrative where she yells loud enough to be heard in another vehicle was created by a single person. That's part of the reason that another narrative needs to be created.

2) How am I being "hypocritical?" Are you aware of the correct definition of the word? I really can't be "hypocritical" w/ YOUR definition of anything.

You stated that the man's "raggedy" appearance makes it likely that he worked on machinery and that's where people should look for the killer. A person who dresses in a "raggedy" fashion could also be:

1) A farmer/farm hand
2) A logger
3) A janitor
4) A shop teacher
5) A Wall Street investor

There are many more professions, but I think that I made my point. There's no way from a person's appearance that you judge what they do for a living.

[CuriousMind90]

Originally Posted by cocytus

1) The narrative where she yells loud enough to be heard in another vehicle was created by a single person. That's part of the reason that another narrative needs to be created.

2) How am I being "hypocritical?" Are you aware of the correct definition of the word? I really can't be "hypocritical" w/ YOUR definition of anything.

You stated that the man's "raggedy" appearance makes it likely that he worked on machinery and that's where people should look for the killer. A person who dresses in a "raggedy" fashion could also be:

1) A farmer/farm hand
2) A logger
3) A janitor
4) A shop teacher
5) A Wall Street investor

There are many more professions, but I think that I made my point. There's no way from a person's appearance that you judge what they do for a living.

I'd say the last 2 are not really probable. The first three maybe.
The guy doesn't seem particularly that intelligent...Not a Wall Street guy. Just lucky.
But a bearded, long haired janitor? That's likely. I still think he might be the type of person to live in a fishing community or near one. A rural guy or suburbanite. Not urban.

[Apostapler]

I sent Loren Hammond a message this morning. Hopefully he will stop by sometime soon.

[slasherman]

This thread should be renamed "Rob Schafer fan thread".

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by cocytus

There are many more professions, but I think that I made my point. There's no way from a person's appearance that you judge what they do for a living.

I agree completely. I also feel those kind of assumptions about appearances are exactly what's bungled many investigations in the past.

I recall in the "Debbie" case--the one where the North Carolina woman was assaulted and shot in the face by a still-unidentified man--the suspect left a wool pea coat in the woods with "Debbie". Using a common stereotype, I could come to the conclusion that the suspect must be some sort of professional, as wool pea coats are often worn with business dress (I would've said he was probably a sailor, but the coat wasn't Navy issue, IIRC). So I have my mind set on a "white collar" of some sort committing the crime.

Of course, you may not feel that way. Maybe you live in a large metro area and see homeless people wearing throw-away, secondhand pea coats all the time. So maybe you have your mind made up that it's a homeless person.

And then there's the added element of the coat reeking of a petroleum-like odor, suggesting that the individual may have worked in some industry that utilizes those materials. Maybe a third person had an Uncle Billy Joe who used to work on an oil rig AND wear a pea coat. Maybe that third person concludes the suspect is thus an oil worker.



As you see, it's all relative. Appearances and our impressions of them ultimately reveal quite little factually when you get right down to it--except maybe our own stereotypes and limited/limiting ideas.

[TheCars1986]

Does anyone else agree that whoever abducted Angela also abducted (and probably killed) Cheryl Kenney? Both were abducted in Missouri at a late night convenience store after the store was closed and robbery was obviously not the motive. So it seems to me that we have a serial killer on the loose picking off women in convenience store parking lots. As for why the guy was searching his truck, I honestly think he was just trying to kill time to wait for Angela to get off of the phone. After a few minutes he became hesitant and then abducted her while she was still on the phone out of fear of his plan not coming to fruition. I don't necessarily think the guy has to be a local townsperson, but I do think he's from or used to live in Missouri.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Does anyone else agree that whoever abducted Angela also abducted (and probably killed) Cheryl Kenney? Both were abducted in Missouri at a late night convenience store after the store was closed and robbery was obviously not the motive. So it seems to me that we have a serial killer on the loose picking off women in convenience store parking lots. As for why the guy was searching his truck, I honestly think he was just trying to kill time to wait for Angela to get off of the phone. After a few minutes he became hesitant and then abducted her while she was still on the phone out of fear of his plan not coming to fruition. I don't necessarily think the guy has to be a local townsperson, but I do think he's from or used to live in Missouri.

It is possible no doubt though Kenny's son who posts on this forum seems to think someone who knew his mother killed her. Trudy Darby was taken in the same way and in the same general area. Her killers where caught and Id like to know why police rule them out in both other cases.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by kane7474

It is possible no doubt though Kenny's son who posts on this forum seems to think someone who knew his mother killed her. Trudy Darby was taken in the same way and in the same general area. Her killers where caught and Id like to know why police rule them out in both other cases.

Can a connection be made between the vehicle described by Shaffer to the one used by the perps in the Darby murder?

[CuriousMind90]

Originally Posted by slasherman

This thread should be renamed "Rob Schafer fan thread".

It's not so much 'fans' as that I (think) many of us feel it's pretty clear he was innocent. If you believe he was guilty, what kind of scenario do you see him killing Angela and getting away with it? Bear in mind Angela dropped off her friend Kyla at 11:00pm. That seems to be pretty much confirmed. Rob arrived at the police station at 12am. So that gives Rob one hour to meet up with her, kill her, stash her body in such a way that it hasn't been found 19 years later, screw up his car transmission and get to the police station.

[cocytus]

Originally Posted by slasherman

This thread should be renamed "Rob Schafer fan thread".

No kidding.
I fully expect to see a posting on here suggesting that he be elevated for canonization.

[Guardian]

Just a shot in the dark here, but what do you guys think about the possibility of this guy being the same person profile in the new Hampshire serial killer segment? The MO is pretty close. Obviously the descriptions differ, but there were a few years in between. Even the two different vehicles aren't all that different. Also, the authorities felt that the new Hampshire killer had indeed traveled out of the state. Just a thought. Not sure if this has been brought up before or not.

[SageSlowdive]

Originally Posted by Guardian

Just a shot in the dark here, but what do you guys think about the possibility of this guy being the same person profile in the new Hampshire serial killer segment? The MO is pretty close. Obviously the descriptions differ, but there were a few years in between. Even the two different vehicles aren't all that different. Also, the authorities felt that the new Hampshire killer had indeed traveled out of the state. Just a thought. Not sure if this has been brought up before or not.

Michael Nicholau, I mean, the New Hampshire Serial Killer is not that likely.

My thoughts are someone was driving around, saw Angela, and took the opportunity to abduct her. It probably wasn't his first time, or his last time. The cops are just as much to blame. How many people you know got a puke green colored truck with an artistic picture on the back window?