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jekouptown · 09-13-2004, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
why do a number of African-Americans hate Elvis with such passion. And do not say "because white people won't get over him". Remember 2Pac and Notorious B.I.G.? I'm waiting for people to get over their deaths, and it hasn't happened. So don't criticise Elvis fans for still being torn up if you're still upset over Tupac. Hell, Marvin Gaye has been dead 20 years and many people still aren't over him yet, so don't turn around and do this "you need to get over Elvis and John Lennon" crap... get over Marvin and Tupac first before pointing fingers.

I am not a huge Elvis fan but he was a good entertainer. Yes, he was white, no he never tried to win over an r&b audience (and nowadays people like Christina and Justin and J. Lo are trying too hard to win over the r&b market). But he was good at what he did.

You make a good point. There are a number of African Americans that don't feel as strong about ELVIS as most. We are not making TEESHIRTS that read "fugg elvis" so hate is a strong word. I read a transcript of an interview with ELVIS. He said this " all black people can do is shine my shoes and buy my records".
Now when BALLY said they didn't like the way blacks wear the bally shoes we quit wearing them. Now BALLY regrets making such a statement.
I think 2PAC was good. I am from NY and we are big BIGGIE SMALLS fans so I am not sticking up for 2PAC here. I don't really understand why BOB DYLAN or TINA TURNER made the list personally. I would think ELTON JOHN, LENNY KRAVITZ, THE CARPENTER GIRL...LYNARD SKYNARD. To me if you reach every audience then you can be called GREAT. If ELVIS didn't reach the african american audience then how did he touch so many people. Maybe like CLAY AIKENs fans do the fans of ELVIS purchased three and four copies of his music making it a hit on the charts.
I have a question for you...why is it ELVIS can go from gospel to rock and nobody says anything but KANYE west makes one song called 'JESUS WALKS' and he is the biggest hypocrite ever.?

Dean Winchester · 09-13-2004, 04:53 PM

well, Elvis was in a different era. Remember 15-20 years ago, people like Prince could put a gospel song, a funk song, and a rock song on the same album, and nobody flinched... yet today you get somebody like Pink who does an r&b song and a rock song and suddenly "I don't believe the audacity of that sellout hypocrite".

The problem with ALL genres of music right now is that it's too much of an "us" vs. "them" idea. There's very very few crossovers these days. 20 years ago, Lionel Richie was able to score hits on the pop, r&b, adult contemporary, dance and even the country chart, basically all of the major singles charts except Album Rock. Yet today you will never see an artist come out who has the across-the-board appeal. The country market only embraces the country artists, the r&b market only embraces the r&b artists, the rock market only embraces the rock artists. So it makes it really dificult for any current artist who is across the board to really get their well-deserved success. Nowadays you either have to be rock, or country, or hip hop, or r&b, or whatever else.

Fez619 · 09-13-2004, 06:52 PM

Notorious BIG lied about his life even his mom said so. So...I don't think he deserves to be apart of this discussion.

I agree with what BuffySlayer79 said.

vashti1999 · 09-17-2004, 12:17 PM

article from the NY Daily News:

Rock 'n' brawl

Mag's crowning of The King draws ire of black group

BY ADAM NICHOLS
DAILY NEWS WRITER

A group of black activists, including singers Dionne Warwick and Chuck Jackson, are all shook up about Rolling Stone's claim that rock 'n' roll is the birth child of The King.
The magazine's current issue celebrates the 50th anniversary of rock, tracing the genre's origin to Elvis Presley's first recordings.

"I knew Elvis personally, and he would be the first person to say, 'Don't say I started rock 'n' roll,' " said Jackson.

"Without black artists like Little Richard and Chuck Berry, Elvis wouldn't have got started. He would be playing country-and-Western."

Jackson was one of a handful of people from the group Millions for Reparations who protested outside Rolling Stone's midtown offices yesterday.

Saying the magazine "whitewashed" the early contributions of black artists, the group vowed to demonstrate again tonight and tomorrow at anniversary concerts planned for the Roseland Ballroom.

"Those who built the foundations of rock 'n' roll, people like Little Richard and Bo Diddley, are having their contributions negated," said Warwick. "That is completely unfair."

It seems like these people just didn't exist, but in reality they made rock 'n' roll."

The special edition of the magazine features artsy photographs of rock 'n' roll stars - from Elvis to Sting and U2. Black artists, among them Jimi Hendrix and Janet Jackson, are included.

Rolling Stone spokeswoman Lisa Dallos said Elvis' recordings half a century ago were a huge landmark for rock music, which is why they are being credited with its birth.

But, she said, "We totally acknowledge the contribution of black artists to rock music. In our immortal list of the 50 Top Rock Artists, seven black artists are in the top 11."

The Roseland concerts, sponsored by the magazine, will feature black artists, including James Brown, Diddley and Lenny Kravitz, she said.

Dean Winchester · 09-17-2004, 12:33 PM

people need to understand the thing with Elvis (even tho Little Richard had it too but doesn't seem to get the same credit) is that he had star power. He was someone who walked into a room and commanded everyone's attention.

A good comparison would be singing-wise (at least in the 1980's), Madonna was FAR from the best female vocalist of her era, she had nothing pipewise next to Alison Moyet or Annie Lennox or Irene Cara, and her early songs were hardly genius in the era... but she was a phenomenal entertainer, had star power, sex appeal and was charismatic, which really rocketed her to levels that might've not happened if she was a stiff entertainer. I

Even if people dislike Elvis, they really cannot deny that the man was born to be a star. Maybe he didn't "invent" rock n roll, but he was the first superstar. Nobody denies there were British acts in the US before Feb 8, 1964... but pretty much everyone agrees the "British Invasion" began with the Beatles. I think it's the same difference with Elvis as it is with Beatles or Madonna. It's the star power.

09-17-2004, 12:17 PM	#49
vashti1999 NY METS - #1 Forum Fanatic Join Date: Oct 14, 2003 Location: The world's greatest city - New York City Posts: 11,404	more on "the King" article from the NY Daily News: Rock 'n' brawl Mag's crowning of The King draws ire of black group BY ADAM NICHOLS DAILY NEWS WRITER A group of black activists, including singers Dionne Warwick and Chuck Jackson, are all shook up about Rolling Stone's claim that rock 'n' roll is the birth child of The King. The magazine's current issue celebrates the 50th anniversary of rock, tracing the genre's origin to Elvis Presley's first recordings. "I knew Elvis personally, and he would be the first person to say, 'Don't say I started rock 'n' roll,' " said Jackson. "Without black artists like Little Richard and Chuck Berry, Elvis wouldn't have got started. He would be playing country-and-Western." Jackson was one of a handful of people from the group Millions for Reparations who protested outside Rolling Stone's midtown offices yesterday. Saying the magazine "whitewashed" the early contributions of black artists, the group vowed to demonstrate again tonight and tomorrow at anniversary concerts planned for the Roseland Ballroom. "Those who built the foundations of rock 'n' roll, people like Little Richard and Bo Diddley, are having their contributions negated," said Warwick. "That is completely unfair." It seems like these people just didn't exist, but in reality they made rock 'n' roll." The special edition of the magazine features artsy photographs of rock 'n' roll stars - from Elvis to Sting and U2. Black artists, among them Jimi Hendrix and Janet Jackson, are included. Rolling Stone spokeswoman Lisa Dallos said Elvis' recordings half a century ago were a huge landmark for rock music, which is why they are being credited with its birth. But, she said, "We totally acknowledge the contribution of black artists to rock music. In our immortal list of the 50 Top Rock Artists, seven black artists are in the top 11." The Roseland concerts, sponsored by the magazine, will feature black artists, including James Brown, Diddley and Lenny Kravitz, she said.
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09-13-2004, 04:53 PM	#47
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	well, Elvis was in a different era. Remember 15-20 years ago, people like Prince could put a gospel song, a funk song, and a rock song on the same album, and nobody flinched... yet today you get somebody like Pink who does an r&b song and a rock song and suddenly "I don't believe the audacity of that sellout hypocrite". The problem with ALL genres of music right now is that it's too much of an "us" vs. "them" idea. There's very very few crossovers these days. 20 years ago, Lionel Richie was able to score hits on the pop, r&b, adult contemporary, dance and even the country chart, basically all of the major singles charts except Album Rock. Yet today you will never see an artist come out who has the across-the-board appeal. The country market only embraces the country artists, the r&b market only embraces the r&b artists, the rock market only embraces the rock artists. So it makes it really dificult for any current artist who is across the board to really get their well-deserved success. Nowadays you either have to be rock, or country, or hip hop, or r&b, or whatever else.

09-13-2004, 06:52 PM	#48
Fez619 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 99	Notorious BIG lied about his life even his mom said so. So...I don't think he deserves to be apart of this discussion. I agree with what BuffySlayer79 said.

09-17-2004, 12:33 PM	#50
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	people need to understand the thing with Elvis (even tho Little Richard had it too but doesn't seem to get the same credit) is that he had star power. He was someone who walked into a room and commanded everyone's attention. A good comparison would be singing-wise (at least in the 1980's), Madonna was FAR from the best female vocalist of her era, she had nothing pipewise next to Alison Moyet or Annie Lennox or Irene Cara, and her early songs were hardly genius in the era... but she was a phenomenal entertainer, had star power, sex appeal and was charismatic, which really rocketed her to levels that might've not happened if she was a stiff entertainer. I Even if people dislike Elvis, they really cannot deny that the man was born to be a star. Maybe he didn't "invent" rock n roll, but he was the first superstar. Nobody denies there were British acts in the US before Feb 8, 1964... but pretty much everyone agrees the "British Invasion" began with the Beatles. I think it's the same difference with Elvis as it is with Beatles or Madonna. It's the star power.