Farrah & Michael. Which death hit you the hardest?

[PZelda]

Originally Posted by Jonathan

To answer the question, Michael. Although sad and tragic,Farrah's was expected, but this came out of nowhere. I was torn, and I wasn't even a fan. I couldn't believe it. I've since began listening to his music, and I realize how he helped transform the industry into what it is today. He truly laid the foundation, in several ways.

This is in response to the bolded section. I have to say, I think those are the actions of an innocent man tired of the ***** he'd been put through. Michael was such a very generous person. He befriended sick children, paid their medical bills. I recently read that he had set it up so that many children could receive their treatments at Neverland. I think he did it out of the goodness of his heart. He was such an easy target. Would you stay in a country that had those kinds of memories for you? He needed a fresh start, to clear his mind. Obviously that didn't help. We have NO idea what occured at Neverland Ranch, but I choose to believe Jackson was innocent.

THIS THIS THIS THIS.

You guys have GOT to see this article. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5131656.shtml - Ryan White's Mother Remembers Michael Jackson.

Unless you've been living under a rock or have never heard of AIDS, you would know that Ryan was one of the faces in AIDS awareness back when it was a newly-discovered disease in the 1980s. Ryan and MJ were great friends. Watch the video that's included with the article, too. The picture of Ryan with MJ (the one of him with the hat and no sunglasses) is included in Ryan's book, but the other one of MJ in plaid is not in the book.

All along, I felt he was innocent. But I was a total sheep and went along with what other people were saying about him. I feel horrible for that now.

[Jonathan]

Originally Posted by PZelda

THIS THIS THIS THIS.

You guys have GOT to see this article. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5131656.shtml - Ryan White's Mother Remembers Michael Jackson.

Unless you've been living under a rock or have never heard of AIDS, you would know that Ryan was one of the faces in AIDS awareness back when it was a newly-discovered disease in the 1980s. Ryan and MJ were great friends. Watch the video that's included with the article, too. The picture of Ryan with MJ (the one of him with the hat and no sunglasses) is included in Ryan's book, but the other one of MJ in plaid is not in the book.

All along, I felt he was innocent. But I was a total sheep and went along with what other people were saying about him. I feel horrible for that now.

Thank you so much for posting this. That is what I picture Michael to have been like. I've heard of Ryan White, but had never really read up on him or anything, but it's truly nice to read that article, and hear his mother praise Michael. I feel bad for giving into the speculation in the past, but in my heart, I've always felt he was innocent. Creeps still making jokes about him. Rush Limbaugh pulled a good one the other day. Let him REST IN PEACE.

[Hollow]

Originally Posted by EmoJoe

im well aware of everything that happened but there was never any substantial proof that he molested anyone, everything was hearsay. as for the money thing...honestly if their kid was molested i dont think they wouldve taken the money and been pleased, they wouldve wanted the person who molested their kid to be brought to justice. in both cases all the parents accusing him wanted was money.

exactly! here's a quote from the kid's father: "If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over." they were after his money and they got it, so there was no longer a need to bring on the case. if my child were molested and the sicko bribed me to get out of legal consequences, i sure as hell wouldn't just have taken it and been on my merry way. on the other hand, if i were facing false accusations and it took bribery to shut the liars up, i'd do it.

the 2005 case was the biggest load of crap ever. there's no doubt that family wanted his money, and took advantage of his past accusations to make their molestation claims seem more realistic. kids can be brainwashed too. if a child gets endlessly interrogated about an event that never happened (such as the molestation here), they can begin recalling imaginary events.

i can't outright say he never did it, of course, as i wasn't exactly joined with him at the hip, but i really don't think there's any reason to hold these accusations against him. they were just too weak and obvious.

[Courtnee]

I bought a Micheal Jackson album today.
Target was almost sold out. I got the last one.

[catlover79]

Originally Posted by Courtnee

I bought a Micheal Jackson album today.
Target was almost sold out. I got the last one.

Which one did you get?

[Courtnee]

Originally Posted by catlover79

Which one did you get?

Off The Wall.

[catlover79]

Originally Posted by Courtnee

Off The Wall.

I love that album!! I personally think it's even better than Thriller, but to each his own.

[Janice]

Originally Posted by Courtnee

Off The Wall.

I love that one. That's my second favorite, after Thriller.

[PunkyP0WER]

I don't think Michael Jackson was guilty either. I think he was tried and convicted by the media and the court of public opinion and it ended up destroying an innocent man.

His accusers all had questionable motives and the media sensationilized the story, spinning the facts just to make the all mighty dollar. Yes, Michael was eccentric and sometimes acted bizarre. But that does not make him guilty. Who are we to judge someone? I'm all for childrens safety but this has become a society full of alarmists. We're so full of negativity, we can't see anything in an innocent light anymore.

For example, there was a poster on 'The Miracle On 34th Street' imdb board that objected to the scene where John Payne and Natalie Wood are alone in his apartment watching the parade together!




I just watched a program last night called 'Witch Hunt'. It was a documentary about 2 sets of parents and 2 single dads from Bakersfield, CA that were charged with molesting their own children.They were accused of committing all kinds of unspeakable sex acts on the kids and the kids even testified to the abuse. These parents were each sentenced to hundred of years in prison, but when the kids grew up, almost all came forward and said they lied about it all.

[Nighthawk76]

Did I open up a can of worms or what?

[Tweety]

[QUOTE=PunkyP0WER]...His accusers all had questionable motives..../QUOTE]

Perhaps Jackson's motives are the ones that are questionable.... I think people have the right to question the motives of a 30-something or 40-something year old man who sleeps with young children.

Originally Posted by PunkyP0WER

...Yes, Michael was eccentric and sometimes acted bizarre.....

Sometimes??

Originally Posted by PunkyP0WER

...Who are we to judge someone?....

People judge other people all the time. It's only when someone we like or admire is "judged" that we become offended.

Originally Posted by PunkyP0WER

...For example, there was a poster on 'The Miracle On 34th Street' imdb board that objected to the scene where John Payne and Natalie Wood are alone in his apartment watching the parade together!

If someone objects to that scene, they're just really trying to make something out of nothing. Besides, if anything improper happened, it would have been caught on film!

If Payne would have come out and talked about how there's nothing wrong with a guy his age sleeping with a girl Natalie Wood's age, that would have been a definite red flag!

Of course, Jackson wasn't talking about simply watching a parade with his young male friends... he talked about sleeping with them as though it were the most natural thing in the world.

Originally Posted by PunkyP0WER

...I just watched a program last night called 'Witch Hunt'. It was a documentary about 2 sets of parents and 2 single dads from Bakersfield, CA that were charged with molesting their own children.They were accused of committing all kinds of unspeakable sex acts on the kids and the kids even testified to the abuse. These parents were each sentenced to hundred of years in prison, but when the kids grew up, almost all came forward and said they lied about it all.

It's sad when that happens, but it doesn't mean that every kid who accuses Jackson (or anyone) of doing something improper is autmatically lying.

Anyway, it's up to God to sort it out now. We can be confident that He won't be swayed by album sales or record-setting videos.

[Janice]

Originally Posted by Tweety

it doesn't mean that every kid who accuses Jackson (or anyone) of doing something improper is autmatically lying.

Doesn't meant they're telling the truth either. People go after deep pockets. Michael was weird, no doubt about it. His sleeping arrangements prove that. I honestly believe that in Michael's naive child-like mind, that to him it was one big pajama party. He was a kid at heart, or an adult who never grew up. I'm not excusing it or saying it's okay. It was wrong. I just don't don't think it was sexually motivated. Of all the kids who went to Neverland, two made accusations. Neither were credible. Everyone defended him. Read up on it. Jackson was sandbagged, almost anyway.

[catlover79]

Originally Posted by Janice

Doesn't meant they're telling the truth either. People go after deep pockets. Michael was weird, no doubt about it. His sleeping arrangements prove that. I honestly believe that in Michael's naive child-like mind, that to him it was one big pajama party. He was a kid at heart, or an adult who never grew up. I'm not excusing it or saying it's okay. It was wrong. I just don't don't think it was sexually motivated. Of all the kids who went to Neverland, two made accusations. Neither were credible. Everyone defended him. Read up on it. Jackson was sandbagged, almost anyway.

I tend to agree. I think that Michael was asexual myself. Having said that, after the mess in 1993 he should never have had boys sleep over again. I think had he done that, the whole mess from 2003-05 could easily have been avoided.

[andress_jade]

It wasn't just boys who stayed over, there were girls too. If you watch the interview he and Lisa Marie had, it will say he had girls there too. It just makes me mad that everyone assumes it was just boys when it wasn't. Granted, he probably shouldn't have kids in his bed but there is nothing sexual going on with them. They watch television and eat popcorn or have pillow fights.
Michael wasn't as wierd as the media made him out to be. He was different yes, but by no means strange or wierd. You need to understand that he had been on stage since the age of 5, he never had a childhood. So what you might consider strange is normal for him. He was reliving his childhood by being around children and having the mind of a child. I don't see anything wrong with that. He wasn't hurting anyone and he made children happy. He didn't have one evil bone in his body. He had a child like heart and an innocent soul. He was a dreamer and a loved to have fun. He related to children better because all the adults he had ever been around had betrayed him. Can't say I blame him. I would have loved to have been one of the children to visit his Neverland Ranch and hang out and have fun.
There were millions of kids that hung out there since the 80's and only two stepped forward? Please. There were even thousands of others who visited the ranch that were questioned and said that Michael never did anything to them. It was all innocent. The parents of the two different boys just wanted money. It was blatantly obvious that they used Michael's friendship and kindness to their advantage.
Michael was never a pedophile. He was a music legend and a gentle soul. He didn't deserve to die so young. He was too good for this world and we didn't deserve him.
What this world did to him was horrible. We made him who he was, we took from him until there was nothing left. The world loved him but at the same time it was full of hate. The world betrayed him. As much as I miss him and loved him and always will, he is in a much better place. He is out of pain and in Heaven with God at peace. Now that he is gone he needs the respect that he didn't get while he was on earth. That's the least anyone can do. Respect the dead and remember him fondly.

Go to this link and tell me if you still think Michael was guilty?
www.surftofind.com/jackson

[PunkyP0WER]

Originally Posted by Shine

Did I open up a can of worms or what?

You're such a trouble maker, Mike! See what you started?