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Brian Damage · 06-28-2005, 12:09 AM

I am so sick and tired of people getting bashed because they don't agree with homosexuality. Immediately, they are labeled "gay bashers." Truth be told, in my opinion, homosexuality is wrong. If it wasn't, then both males and females would be able to concieve children. I don't condemn the sinner, I condemn the sin. While a Christian cannot judge another whether they are going to Heaven or Hell, they are allowed to point out the sin. God gave us all free will. Homosexuality is free will. For those that argue that it is not, to me are saying they were born that way and can't control themselves. That also tells me that deep down they don't want to be gay, they just can't control their feelings. I could be wrong on that, but as a Christian, I know homosexuality is a sin. For those who immediately show anger when someone disagrees with them is making excuses why homosexuality is right. It is a sin, but despite that God still loves you. He punishes no one.

*Pleasant Tomorrow* · 06-28-2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TripperFan

Perfectly said - you put that exactly as I feel it. Hope you don't mind if I use it somewhere down the line when we go through this discussion again for the 5,438th time.

ahaha, sure.

Brian · 06-28-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I am so sick and tired of people getting bashed because they don't agree with homosexuality. Immediately, they are labeled "gay bashers." Truth be told, in my opinion, homosexuality is wrong. If it wasn't, then both males and females would be able to concieve children. I don't condemn the sinner, I condemn the sin. While a Christian cannot judge another whether they are going to Heaven or Hell, they are allowed to point out the sin. God gave us all free will. Homosexuality is free will. For those that argue that it is not, to me are saying they were born that way and can't control themselves. That also tells me that deep down they don't want to be gay, they just can't control their feelings. I could be wrong on that, but as a Christian, I know homosexuality is a sin. For those who immediately show anger when someone disagrees with them is making excuses why homosexuality is right. It is a sin, but despite that God still loves you. He punishes no one.

Homosexuality is NOT free will. I can say this from experience because I have a sister who is a lesbian and has been for many years.

Also, people who think that homosexuality is all choice and is "unnatural" I have a Dear Abby article on the subject, which was printed last month.

DEAR ABBY: In a recent column you advised the mother of a girl who had confided that she is gay and wants to come out, that homosexuality has "nothing to do with parenting and everything to do with genetics." You need to retract that statement. If you do not publicly admit your error, I will know you are a mouthpiece for the gay and lesbian crowd. -- LEONARD IN LYNCHBURG DEAR LEONARD: If I did not believe with all my heart that what I wrote is true, I wouldn't have put my thoughts on paper. Homosexuality is simply a variant of sexual orientation. Those who claim it is "unnatural" should direct their attention to Dr. Joan Roughgarden, a biologist at Stanford University with a Ph.D. from Harvard, who states that more than 300 vertebrate species have been found to practice homosexuality. (A visit to any zoo might confirm it.) And while one gene may not be responsible for this variant, Italian researcher Andrea Camperio-Ciani of the University of Padua notes that research findings point to there being more than one "gay gene," and that the genetic factors linked to homosexuality in men are also linked to increased fertility in women.

I stand by my reply.

Keep in mind I'm not trying to tell you that homosexuality is right. I'm pointing out that it is not free will and that there are scientific facts that prove it.

TripperFan · 06-28-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I am so sick and tired of people getting bashed because they don't agree with homosexuality. Immediately, they are labeled "gay bashers." Truth be told, in my opinion, homosexuality is wrong. If it wasn't, then both males and females would be able to concieve children. I don't condemn the sinner, I condemn the sin. While a Christian cannot judge another whether they are going to Heaven or Hell, they are allowed to point out the sin. God gave us all free will. Homosexuality is free will. For those that argue that it is not, to me are saying they were born that way and can't control themselves. That also tells me that deep down they don't want to be gay, they just can't control their feelings. I could be wrong on that, but as a Christian, I know homosexuality is a sin. For those who immediately show anger when someone disagrees with them is making excuses why homosexuality is right. It is a sin, but despite that God still loves you. He punishes no one.

That's not what I'm saying Brian. It's how it's put out there sometimes in the form of hatred and judgement. This might be different if homosexuals weren't being beaten or murdered for this. This is why people seem to lash back - when its presented as it is sometimes. Remember, the bible also teaches that he who is WITHOUT sin may cast the first stone. Since we're all sinners for something in our lives, and homosexuals "cannot control it", then they should not be centred out and judged anymore than anyone else.

If we had been talking about a new religious channel, homosexuality would never have come into the discussion - it just seems on every thread I've seen here that mentions homosexuality, it ends up becoming a religious discussion on what is right and wrong. Can't we just discuss the fact that there is going to be a channel for gays just as there are several for religious shows. We're aware of the members who disagree with it and that's fine, but please, don't hijack the threads all the time. Live and let live - and turn the other cheek.

Brian · 06-28-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TripperFan

That's not what I'm saying Brian. It's how it's put out there sometimes in the form of hatred and judgement. This might be different if homosexuals weren't being beaten or murdered for this. This is why people seem to lash back - when its presented as it is sometimes. Remember, the bible also teaches that he who is WITHOUT sin may cast the first stone. Since we're all sinners for something in our lives, and homosexuals "cannot control it", then they should not be centred out and judged anymore than anyone else.

If we had been talking about a new religious channel, homosexuality would never have come into the discussion - it just seems on every thread I've seen here that mentions homosexuality, it ends up becoming a religious discussion on what is right and wrong. Can't we just discuss the fact that there is going to be a channel for gays just as there are several for religious shows. We're aware of the members who disagree with it and that's fine, but please, don't hijack the threads all the time. Live and let live - and turn the other cheek.

I'm done, I just had to get my post out.

TripperFan · 06-28-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I'm done, I just had to get my post out.

Oops - sorry - meant Brian D.! I was still typing my post when you put yours up - hadn't seen ya there yet!

ABlairican Pie · 06-28-2005, 12:34 AM

So in other words, if homosexuality is a "choice" and not something inborn and innate, then all people who identify themselves as gay are simply people who haven't learned to appreciate the charms of the opposite sex. It could be easier to change them than the Pepsi Challenge: "Would a taste of hellfire
make you like the ladies??" And if homosexuality is a choice, then does that mean WE HETEROS might....

Brian · 06-28-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TripperFan

Oops - sorry - meant Brian D.! I was still typing my post when you put yours up - hadn't seen ya there yet!

I knew you were talking to him. I didn't want to divert the topic any further.

TripperFan · 06-28-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain ABlairica

So in other words, if homosexuality is a "choice" and not something inborn and innate, then all people who identify themselves as gay are simply people who haven't learned to appreciate the charms of the opposite sex. It could be easier to change them than the Pepsi Challenge: "Would a taste of hellfire
make you like the ladies??" And if homosexuality is a choice, then does that mean WE HETEROS might....

Hey - how do ya think the "Down Low" got started!!

Screenwriter · 06-28-2005, 12:46 AM

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As a Christian, it is our goal in life to spread the word of Christ to those who do not know Him, and to be more like Jesus.

Well, Jesus Christ was neither a homosexual nor a heterosexual. So, can we assume, that maybe, just maybe we shouldn't be reproducing?

Dean Winchester · 06-28-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I am so sick and tired of people getting bashed because they don't agree with homosexuality. Immediately, they are labeled "gay bashers." Truth be told, in my opinion, homosexuality is wrong. If it wasn't, then both males and females would be able to concieve children. I don't condemn the sinner, I condemn the sin. While a Christian cannot judge another whether they are going to Heaven or Hell, they are allowed to point out the sin. God gave us all free will. Homosexuality is free will. For those that argue that it is not, to me are saying they were born that way and can't control themselves. That also tells me that deep down they don't want to be gay, they just can't control their feelings. I could be wrong on that, but as a Christian, I know homosexuality is a sin. For those who immediately show anger when someone disagrees with them is making excuses why homosexuality is right. It is a sin, but despite that God still loves you. He punishes no one.

why must everything be about procreation? If I was straight, I know damn well I still wouldn't want to get a woman pregnant, why? I don't want kids

I just don't see why and how being gay is a choice. Looking back, I had gay traits as young as preschool (I remember wanting to be Blair on The Facts Of Life and then Madonna) and I can remember thinking guys were cute when I was SIX years old. It's not something I chose but it was something I just was. I spent some of my adolescent years being homophobic as hell but it was because I was insecure about.

I do believe that Webwarrior IS a gay basher. There is a vast difference between "I don't agree with homosexuality, and I don't understand it" and "breast cancer is God's punishment to Melissa Etheridge for her deviant lifestyle". If someone just said "I don't agree with homosexuality", it's one thing, another thing when one spews hateful comments like "they belong in hell" and "they deserve AIDS" when people attack.

Hollow · 06-28-2005, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Janice

Everyone on this site has a right to their opinions. If webwarrior or anyone feels that homosexuality is morally wrong and goes against his religious beliefs, he's entitled to post that.

There's no law on this site that says everyone has to agree with homosexuality. Debating with him is within the rules, but no personal attacks.

although i argued with his post, i was thinking it was unfair that he was attacked for it and told to shut the **** up. yes, he's a homophobe, but save the insults for when he bashes homosexuals themselves. (that last part isn't supposed to sound like some moral valuable lesson, just so you know).

Dean Winchester · 06-28-2005, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TripperFan

That's not what I'm saying Brian. It's how it's put out there sometimes in the form of hatred and judgement. This might be different if homosexuals weren't being beaten or murdered for this. This is why people seem to lash back - when its presented as it is sometimes. Remember, the bible also teaches that he who is WITHOUT sin may cast the first stone. Since we're all sinners for something in our lives, and homosexuals "cannot control it", then they should not be centred out and judged anymore than anyone else.

If we had been talking about a new religious channel, homosexuality would never have come into the discussion - it just seems on every thread I've seen here that mentions homosexuality, it ends up becoming a religious discussion on what is right and wrong. Can't we just discuss the fact that there is going to be a channel for gays just as there are several for religious shows. We're aware of the members who disagree with it and that's fine, but please, don't hijack the threads all the time. Live and let live - and turn the other cheek.

I agree with that. Gay people have died for BEING who they air. Whereas gaybashers have never been beaten or murdered for their ignorance, that's the difference.

I also am sick of the "religion vs. homosexuality" deal. Some people seem to think it's an alien concept that somebody can both accept Christ AND be attracted to the same sex. What you ARE shouldn't condemn you, just because you have the sexual attraction to members of the same sex doesn't mean you don't believe in Christ.

Some of the really brimstoneesque "Christians" don't realize that "you're going to hell for being a ***, you deserve AIDS" is only gonna alienate people from the religion. I know gay men who hate all things religion thanks to these people

TripperFan · 06-28-2005, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Screenwriter

Well, Jesus Christ was neither a homosexual nor a heterosexual. So, can we assume, that maybe, just maybe we shouldn't be reproducing?

Geez - don't say THAT!!! Afterall, that describes Michael Jackson too!!

Screenwriter · 06-28-2005, 12:54 AM

Well, the truth hurts.

Oh, two more things. Elvis Presley is evil because he swung his hips.

And dancing is evil too.

Be right back, I'm going to go play some music backwards so I can go find out if there are any satantic, demonic messages.

And AIDS is a punishment from God for being too promiscuous.

**** you, Jerry Falwell.

I'm sorry, but everytime I hear the homosexual argument, I usually think of him.

Hey, Jerry, when was the last time you were God????

06-28-2005, 12:34 AM	#52
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,621	Homosexuality a "choice"?? So in other words, if homosexuality is a "choice" and not something inborn and innate, then all people who identify themselves as gay are simply people who haven't learned to appreciate the charms of the opposite sex. It could be easier to change them than the Pepsi Challenge: "Would a taste of hellfire make you like the ladies??" And if homosexuality is a choice, then does that mean WE HETEROS might....
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06-28-2005, 12:09 AM	#46
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,108	I am so sick and tired of people getting bashed because they don't agree with homosexuality. Immediately, they are labeled "gay bashers." Truth be told, in my opinion, homosexuality is wrong. If it wasn't, then both males and females would be able to concieve children. I don't condemn the sinner, I condemn the sin. While a Christian cannot judge another whether they are going to Heaven or Hell, they are allowed to point out the sin. God gave us all free will. Homosexuality is free will. For those that argue that it is not, to me are saying they were born that way and can't control themselves. That also tells me that deep down they don't want to be gay, they just can't control their feelings. I could be wrong on that, but as a Christian, I know homosexuality is a sin. For those who immediately show anger when someone disagrees with them is making excuses why homosexuality is right. It is a sin, but despite that God still loves you. He punishes no one.

06-28-2005, 12:54 AM	#60
Screenwriter Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 18, 2002 Posts: 760	Well, the truth hurts. Oh, two more things. Elvis Presley is evil because he swung his hips. And dancing is evil too. Be right back, I'm going to go play some music backwards so I can go find out if there are any satantic, demonic messages. And AIDS is a punishment from God for being too promiscuous. **** you, Jerry Falwell. I'm sorry, but everytime I hear the homosexual argument, I usually think of him. Hey, Jerry, when was the last time you were God????