Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by Cursiorandcursior

Please do. I'm sure most here would like to quickly clear this up.

Totally speculating, but I'm assuming that dgwagner won't able to get ahold of that info quickly. In a previous post, s/he mentioned that the clippings (the source of all this info) are stored at someone else's house in a different state.

dgwagner, if you can get that info and/or find out how it relates to Angela Hammond's case, you may be able to get the police investigation pointed in the right direction. It wouldn't be the first time that a poster here had info that was useful in assisting the police in solving a crime.

[bell83]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

dgwagner, if you can get that info and/or find out how it relates to Angela Hammond's case, you may be able to get the police investigation pointed in the right direction. It wouldn't be the first time that a poster here had info that was useful in assisting the police in solving a crime.

Devil's advocate, Tracy, but when I hear "clippings" that implies newspaper clippings, to me. If these were newspaper clippings saying that they had found her body and all of that, it's already a matter of public record, and thus the police should already know, and have investigated. Just my two cents. Unless I'm reading your post entirely wrong, which I'll admit is a possibility. If so, I am sorry, as no offense was meant.

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by bell83

Devil's advocate, Tracy, but when I hear "clippings" that implies newspaper clippings, to me. If these were newspaper clippings saying that they had found her body and all of that, it's already a matter of public record, and thus the police should already know, and have investigated. Just my two cents. Unless I'm reading your post entirely wrong, which I'll admit is a possibility. If so, I am sorry, as no offense was meant.

No offense taken at all.

I also think dgwagner is referring to newspaper clippings. (Although I think there was also mention of letters between dgwagner's grandmother and another relative of Angela's, maybe her mom?)

Any information that made it to the news would almost positively have been known by the police who would have likely followed up on that right away.

Here's what I'm thinking so far... (Everyone, please correct me if I get anything wrong here.)

dgwagner says he/she is Angela Hammond's cousin. He/She was shown newspaper clippings about a murder, a body being found, and an arson of a barn. Something like that. I believe there was also the claim of either written or verbal communication between dgwagner's grandmother and Angela Hammond's mom.

dgwagner was fairly young (a teenager?) when the newspaper clippings were shown to him/her by the grandmother.

I don't want to scare dgwagner off of this site or discourage him/her from retrieving the newspaper clippings, but here's where my thoughts are going on this:

The family may have followed cases that were similar to Angela's in the newspaper. They may have saved the articles in case they could eventually connect a similar crime with Angela's disappearance. They may have kept letters from Angela's mom where they discussed her case in addition to the ones mentioned in the news.

This could all just be a miscommunication between a young person and an elderly person about a subject that neither was extremely familiar with. Possibly the grandma referenced the newspaper clippings and told dgwagner something like, "This is what they did to Angela" or "this is the person who killed Angela". Something along those lines, that led dgwagner to believe the articles were actually about Angela being found murdered.

Of course, it's possible that dgwagner is not related to this case at all, and has other motives for visiting here.

EDIT to remove unnecessary info. Please see my next post, #455 below, regarding who to contact if you have information that may be helpful to this case.

[Cursiorandcursior]

I'm sure it might be within this thread somewhere but if a person had potential information about this case is there an officer or someone that could be contacted to pass such information?

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by Cursiorandcursior

I'm sure it might be within this thread somewhere but if a person had potential information about this case is there an officer or someone that could be contacted to pass such information?

Yes. Here is contact info provided by the doenetwork and charleyproject:


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hammond_angela.html lists the

Clinton Police Department
660-885-5561

as the place to contact with any information regarding her case.



The http://www.doenetwork.org/ (case file 1299DFMO) gives this contact information:

Clinton Police Department
Detective D.J. Parsons
660-885-5561
d.parsons@clintonmopd.com

Agency Case Number: 91-0488

NCIC Number: M-483974098
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

[Cursiorandcursior]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Yes. Here is contact info provided by the doenetwork and charleyproject:


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hammond_angela.html lists the

Clinton Police Department
660-885-5561

as the place to contact with any information regarding her case.



The http://www.doenetwork.org/ (case file 1299DFMO) gives this contact information:

Clinton Police Department
Detective D.J. Parsons
660-885-5561
d.parsons@clintonmopd.com

Agency Case Number: 91-0488

NCIC Number: M-483974098
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Thank you for your prompt reply. Probably nothing but it could be something.

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by Cursiorandcursior

Thank you for your prompt reply. Probably nothing but it could be something.

Since this is nearly a 20 year old case, I know that there are many people who feel that someone close to the crime "is gonna have to talk" for this to be solved.

I don't know if the discussion in the previous several posts will turn out to be helpful. I sure wish dgwagner would come back with a comment or an update.

[Cursiorandcursior]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Since this is nearly a 20 year old case, I know that there are many people who feel that someone close to the crime "is gonna have to talk" for this to be solved.

I don't know if the discussion in the previous several posts will turn out to be helpful. I sure wish dgwagner would come back with a comment or an update.

Perhaps not. This person was unfamiliar with the case and some information came to me quite by happenstance. I just wanted to know if anyone was actually working or interested in the case. I don't want to waste someone's time nor my own if they are not. All I can say is that it sounded potentially promising.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by drew12

i just happened to run into a youtube clip at kmbctv on youtube that say there could be some physical evidence that was left at the scene on the 18th anniversary of it. a dective paul abbot in the clip say there may be a lead in the case. the title of the youtube clip is(new leads possible in missing woman case) kmbctv. it was posted in april 2009 i believe maybe you can find more on this?

Ya that was crap too. That was almost two years ago and still they have not revealed what the so called new evidence is.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Page 13 of this thread, post #186, says the following. Could the new member be referring to this info?

Greg Marshel Springfield Three Missing Women Ties

Jess Rush, in his appeal, mentions a Greg Marshel, who is listed at MissouriCase.net as having lived at 623 Montclair, Apt 3A, Springfield, MO in July (and August), 1991, just 4 miles from the Springfield 3 Missing Women's address at 1717 E. Delmar St., Springfield, MO. He lived in the area of the teenage grave robbers who knew Stacey McCall and Suzie Streeter and they all may have known each other in high school.

Does anyone know whether Greg Marshel went to high school with Suzie or Stacey in Springfield, MO and whether he had ties to Macks Creek, MO?

Also, Jess states that other murder evidence was destroyed in the barn fire.

Does anyone close to the case know whether police investigator's sifted through the ruins for evidence of other crimes, specifically evidence related to the reference in Marvin Cheney's appeal regarding his implication in the similar murders of three other women?

(Since I don't know exactly when the barn fire was AFTER the abduction, rape and murder of Trudy Darby, I am unable to determine whether evidence (skeletons) from the 3MW case was also destroyed in that fire or is still there waiting to be discovered. I'm assuming that a barn fire wouldn't cremate 3 skeletons. I'm also assuming that Cheney and Rush weren't arrested until several years later, after Trudy Darby was murdered and so wouldn't have had Greg Marshel burn the barn until that time, which would have also been after the disappearance of the Springfield 3MW.)

Does anyone know the full names of Cheever's or Parel?

MissouriCase.net

07/25/1991

(Defendant referred to is Jess Rush, co-defendant of Marvin Chaney)

Quote:
It is noteworthy that in two of Defendant's letters he expressly admitted his direct involvement in the murder of Trudy Darby. In one letter he wrote:

http://www.courts.mo.gov/file/Opinion_SD21014.rtf

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Apparently, on the websleuths site, the name Greg Marshel has been discounted and the names Greg Cheevers Marshall Cheevers were possibly what the original poster was looking for. Just an fyi...

He actually says Gregs brother Marshall I beileve. If you go back on this forum you can find where I posted excerpts of Jess Rush writing where he talks about who all was involved in Darby's murder as well as describing killing other women. For some reason the Clinton Police have ruled him and Chaney out as suspects in Angela's case. I dont know why. Angeala's brother Loren also has stated they are not suspects. Again I dont know why.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by Cursiorandcursior

My $0.02 worth is that if they were able to categorically eliminate the Darby and Kenney cases (were there any others), they must surely know/suspect who did this one. How else could they otherwise make this claim? Or am I reading something into this story that is not there?

It makes no sense. Especially with Kenney because they still have no clue what happened to her

[SageSlowdive]

I think unless someone knows something they're not supposed to know, the Angela Hammond case will go unsolved forever.

I honestly can't believe the case is still unsolved - it just seems so solvable. How many puke green pickup trucks with a fish painted on the back window are out there?

[dks64]

Originally Posted by SageSlowdive

I honestly can't believe the case is still unsolved - it just seems so solvable. How many puke green pickup trucks with a fish painted on the back window are out there?

I felt the same way when I recently saw the clip. I'm shocked that no one could identify the truck.

[bell83]

The problem is that the "puke green" color seemed fairly popular on many 70s vehicles. I still see old Fords with that color paint scheme. On top of that, Rob said it looked like a fish jumping out of water, but he wasn't sure, as I recall. As it was a decal or paint (it would obviously have to be one or the other), the perp could've simply removed it, knowing he'd been seen by someone while committing a kidnapping, and sold the truck somewhere where he wasn't known.

[TheCars1986]

I've actually seen a couple of trucks driving down the road with outdoors/lake themed decals and I always automatically assumed the person driving abducted Angela Hammond. Weird how UM sticks in your head, huh?