Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth - Page 30 - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

bell83 · 10-07-2010, 04:33 PM

I can't say I believe this. If that were, in fact, the case, she would not still be listed as missing on the National Missing Persons website, unless whoever found her never reported it. And if that's the case, then why wasn't it reported. This just doesn't hold water, to me. No offense intended, dgwagner, but I think you may be mistaken.

TracyLynnS · 10-07-2010, 04:59 PM

What!? She was confirmed dead and her remains were found? When did this happen?

As early as 2008, friends, relatives, and locals (including Angela Hammond's brother) posted here. At that time, they said that she's still a missing, abducted, person.

TracyLynnS · 10-07-2010, 05:09 PM

As of 4/2009, she was still considered missing. I'm not exactly sure if her mother and a detective were interviewed for an article in the kansas city star at that time or if the article is reporting their comments from earlier interviews. The article is no longer available but a copy of it is here:

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/fo...ad.php?t=12642

EDIT to add that IIRC, there's also a copy of that article earlier in this thread and some discussion regarding the Kansas City Star doing the article and/or a tv segment. Sorry I don't remember more details. I read through all 30 pages of this thread last night and it's all a blur.

TracyLynnS · 10-07-2010, 05:14 PM

NCIC Number: M-483974098

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1299dfmo.html

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...nd_angela.html

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSH...Poster0708.pdf

bell83 · 10-07-2010, 05:29 PM

Yeah. That's what I'm saying...

JackKerouac1989 · 10-07-2010, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bell83

Yeah. That's what I'm saying...

I have to agree. I'm sure that if Angela's body was found and her killer identified that it would have been reported.
Heck there would even be a seperate thread on this message board if breaking news in the Hammond abduction occured since this is one of the most discussed cases on this board.

bell83 · 10-07-2010, 05:44 PM

Hell, even if her killer WASN'T identified, the discovery of her body would've been big news.

TracyLynnS · 10-07-2010, 06:10 PM

Today has sorta been "one of them days". We've had two people who are closely connected to cases pop in as new members.

One of them seems to be for real, imo, but I'm not sure about dgwagner. If s/he is really a relative of a murdered person, perhaps they're just confused.

TracyLynnS · 10-07-2010, 06:19 PM

Page 13 of this thread, post #186, says the following. Could the new member be referring to this info?

Greg Marshel Springfield Three Missing Women Ties

Jess Rush, in his appeal, mentions a Greg Marshel, who is listed at MissouriCase.net as having lived at 623 Montclair, Apt 3A, Springfield, MO in July (and August), 1991, just 4 miles from the Springfield 3 Missing Women's address at 1717 E. Delmar St., Springfield, MO. He lived in the area of the teenage grave robbers who knew Stacey McCall and Suzie Streeter and they all may have known each other in high school.

Does anyone know whether Greg Marshel went to high school with Suzie or Stacey in Springfield, MO and whether he had ties to Macks Creek, MO?

Also, Jess states that other murder evidence was destroyed in the barn fire.

Does anyone close to the case know whether police investigator's sifted through the ruins for evidence of other crimes, specifically evidence related to the reference in Marvin Cheney's appeal regarding his implication in the similar murders of three other women?

(Since I don't know exactly when the barn fire was AFTER the abduction, rape and murder of Trudy Darby, I am unable to determine whether evidence (skeletons) from the 3MW case was also destroyed in that fire or is still there waiting to be discovered. I'm assuming that a barn fire wouldn't cremate 3 skeletons. I'm also assuming that Cheney and Rush weren't arrested until several years later, after Trudy Darby was murdered and so wouldn't have had Greg Marshel burn the barn until that time, which would have also been after the disappearance of the Springfield 3MW.)

Does anyone know the full names of Cheever's or Parel?

MissouriCase.net

07/25/1991

(Defendant referred to is Jess Rush, co-defendant of Marvin Chaney)

Quote:
It is noteworthy that in two of Defendant's letters he expressly admitted his direct involvement in the murder of Trudy Darby. In one letter he wrote:

http://www.courts.mo.gov/file/Opinion_SD21014.rtf

------

Apparently, on the websleuths site, the name Greg Marshel has been discounted and the names Greg Cheevers Marshall Cheevers were possibly what the original poster was looking for. Just an fyi...

dgwagner · 10-07-2010, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Today has sorta been "one of them days". We've had two people who are closely connected to cases pop in as new members.

One of them seems to be for real, imo, but I'm not sure about dgwagner. If s/he is really a relative of a murdered person, perhaps they're just confused.

I am pretty sure of what my grandmother showed me. The clips from them finding the truck in the burning barn and Going to the house were the owner of the truck lived and her talking about them finding a girl in a ditch out side his house and she was wraped in a sleeping bag. They even brought the shoe for her mother to id. She did say that the killer had moved the body at one point and after that she never told me any more til later. She said they even found boots and other stuff in the truck and the boots had blood on them. If I find my grandmothers things next time I go to visit my dad I will look.

bell83 · 10-07-2010, 07:00 PM

We're simply saying that had she been found, this would've been reported. I saw articles from around 2004 that were saying that the cops had gotten new evidence, but that she still had not, as of then, been found.

Cursiorandcursior · 10-07-2010, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgwagner

I am pretty sure of what my grandmother showed me. The clips from them finding the truck in the burning barn and Going to the house were the owner of the truck lived and her talking about them finding a girl in a ditch out side his house and she was wraped in a sleeping bag. They even brought the shoe for her mother to id. She did say that the killer had moved the body at one point and after that she never told me any more til later. She said they even found boots and other stuff in the truck and the boots had blood on them. If I find my grandmothers things next time I go to visit my dad I will look.

Please do. I'm sure most here would like to quickly clear this up. This would be extremely interesting to those of us who have followed this case over the years.

At the very least I would want to know whose body that was. Perhaps that is where the confusion lies.

TracyLynnS · 10-07-2010, 08:58 PM

Just in case some folks don't have the time to read through the whole thread here, Angela's brother, Loren Hammond, posted in April 2009. His info was that Angela was still considered to be missing, at the time of his post.

But how odd is it that dgwagner has seen clippings of a murder relating to a burning truck and/or barn. Is it possible that these clippings were shared and dgwagner's relative just mentioned their opinion that the guys involved in that truck/barn fire crime could have been responsible for their cousin Angela's abduction.

I'm pretty sure that there are similarities to dgwagner's recollection of events, since a body was found in that case and there was a fire that was suspected to have destroyed evidence. Possibly there was just a bit of miscommunication?

mwcarolina · 10-08-2010, 12:17 AM

I can't say I believe this. If that were, in fact, the case, she would not still be listed as missing on the National Missing Persons website, unless whoever found her never reported it.
Agreed, although many THINK she's dead, she hasnt been reported as dead yet.
Just in case some folks don't have the time to read through the whole thread here, Angela's brother, Loren Hammond, posted in April 2009. His info was that Angela was still considered to be missing, at the time of his post.
yeah, i wish he would come on this post and clear some things up, i feel for the Hammonds and Rob and hope they all get answers.
But how odd is it that dgwagner has seen clippings of a murder relating to a burning truck and/or barn. Is it possible that these clippings were shared and dgwagner's relative just mentioned their opinion that the guys involved in that truck/barn fire crime could have been responsible for their cousin Angela's abduction.
i havent seen much of what dgwagner posted, BUT hopefully, they find the killer, i think the only way the killer will be found is IF a relative knows of the case and turns him in.

bell83 · 10-08-2010, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwcarolina

i havent seen much of what dgwagner posted, BUT hopefully, they find the killer, i think the only way the killer will be found is IF a relative knows of the case and turns him in.

dgwagner deleted the first two or three posts. but if you go to page 29, you can see what was said on cursiorandcursior's posts

10-07-2010, 04:33 PM	#436
bell83 You're in high school again. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 05, 2006 Posts: 1,033	I can't say I believe this. If that were, in fact, the case, she would not still be listed as missing on the National Missing Persons website, unless whoever found her never reported it. And if that's the case, then why wasn't it reported. This just doesn't hold water, to me. No offense intended, dgwagner, but I think you may be mistaken.
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10-07-2010, 05:09 PM	#438
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	As of 4/2009, she was still considered missing. I'm not exactly sure if her mother and a detective were interviewed for an article in the kansas city star at that time or if the article is reporting their comments from earlier interviews. The article is no longer available but a copy of it is here: http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/fo...ad.php?t=12642 EDIT to add that IIRC, there's also a copy of that article earlier in this thread and some discussion regarding the Kansas City Star doing the article and/or a tv segment. Sorry I don't remember more details. I read through all 30 pages of this thread last night and it's all a blur.
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10-07-2010, 04:59 PM	#437
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	What!? She was confirmed dead and her remains were found? When did this happen? As early as 2008, friends, relatives, and locals (including Angela Hammond's brother) posted here. At that time, they said that she's still a missing, abducted, person.

10-07-2010, 05:14 PM	#439
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	NCIC Number: M-483974098 http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1299dfmo.html http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...nd_angela.html http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSH...Poster0708.pdf

10-07-2010, 05:29 PM	#440
bell83 You're in high school again. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 05, 2006 Posts: 1,033	Yeah. That's what I'm saying...

10-07-2010, 05:44 PM	#442
bell83 You're in high school again. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 05, 2006 Posts: 1,033	Hell, even if her killer WASN'T identified, the discovery of her body would've been big news.

10-07-2010, 06:10 PM	#443
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	Today has sorta been "one of them days". We've had two people who are closely connected to cases pop in as new members. One of them seems to be for real, imo, but I'm not sure about dgwagner. If s/he is really a relative of a murdered person, perhaps they're just confused.

10-07-2010, 06:19 PM	#444
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	Page 13 of this thread, post #186, says the following. Could the new member be referring to this info? Greg Marshel Springfield Three Missing Women Ties Jess Rush, in his appeal, mentions a Greg Marshel, who is listed at MissouriCase.net as having lived at 623 Montclair, Apt 3A, Springfield, MO in July (and August), 1991, just 4 miles from the Springfield 3 Missing Women's address at 1717 E. Delmar St., Springfield, MO. He lived in the area of the teenage grave robbers who knew Stacey McCall and Suzie Streeter and they all may have known each other in high school. Does anyone know whether Greg Marshel went to high school with Suzie or Stacey in Springfield, MO and whether he had ties to Macks Creek, MO? Also, Jess states that other murder evidence was destroyed in the barn fire. Does anyone close to the case know whether police investigator's sifted through the ruins for evidence of other crimes, specifically evidence related to the reference in Marvin Cheney's appeal regarding his implication in the similar murders of three other women? (Since I don't know exactly when the barn fire was AFTER the abduction, rape and murder of Trudy Darby, I am unable to determine whether evidence (skeletons) from the 3MW case was also destroyed in that fire or is still there waiting to be discovered. I'm assuming that a barn fire wouldn't cremate 3 skeletons. I'm also assuming that Cheney and Rush weren't arrested until several years later, after Trudy Darby was murdered and so wouldn't have had Greg Marshel burn the barn until that time, which would have also been after the disappearance of the Springfield 3MW.) Does anyone know the full names of Cheever's or Parel? MissouriCase.net 07/25/1991 (Defendant referred to is Jess Rush, co-defendant of Marvin Chaney) Quote: It is noteworthy that in two of Defendant's letters he expressly admitted his direct involvement in the murder of Trudy Darby. In one letter he wrote: http://www.courts.mo.gov/file/Opinion_SD21014.rtf ------ Apparently, on the websleuths site, the name Greg Marshel has been discounted and the names Greg Cheevers Marshall Cheevers were possibly what the original poster was looking for. Just an fyi...

10-07-2010, 07:00 PM	#446
bell83 You're in high school again. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 05, 2006 Posts: 1,033	We're simply saying that had she been found, this would've been reported. I saw articles from around 2004 that were saying that the cops had gotten new evidence, but that she still had not, as of then, been found.

10-07-2010, 08:58 PM	#448
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	Just in case some folks don't have the time to read through the whole thread here, Angela's brother, Loren Hammond, posted in April 2009. His info was that Angela was still considered to be missing, at the time of his post. But how odd is it that dgwagner has seen clippings of a murder relating to a burning truck and/or barn. Is it possible that these clippings were shared and dgwagner's relative just mentioned their opinion that the guys involved in that truck/barn fire crime could have been responsible for their cousin Angela's abduction. I'm pretty sure that there are similarities to dgwagner's recollection of events, since a body was found in that case and there was a fire that was suspected to have destroyed evidence. Possibly there was just a bit of miscommunication?

10-08-2010, 12:17 AM	#449
mwcarolina Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 01, 2010 Location: nc Posts: 466	I can't say I believe this. If that were, in fact, the case, she would not still be listed as missing on the National Missing Persons website, unless whoever found her never reported it. Agreed, although many THINK she's dead, she hasnt been reported as dead yet. Just in case some folks don't have the time to read through the whole thread here, Angela's brother, Loren Hammond, posted in April 2009. His info was that Angela was still considered to be missing, at the time of his post. yeah, i wish he would come on this post and clear some things up, i feel for the Hammonds and Rob and hope they all get answers. But how odd is it that dgwagner has seen clippings of a murder relating to a burning truck and/or barn. Is it possible that these clippings were shared and dgwagner's relative just mentioned their opinion that the guys involved in that truck/barn fire crime could have been responsible for their cousin Angela's abduction. i havent seen much of what dgwagner posted, BUT hopefully, they find the killer, i think the only way the killer will be found is IF a relative knows of the case and turns him in.