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SPLAIN · 09-04-2003, 03:28 PM

After Life with Lucy, Lucy had this play she wanted to do, a homeless woman, you know, Apple Annie, but the dutiful manager hubby was not going to stay in New York for six months and miss his beloved golf, the true love of his life, so he convinced her not to that one and instead do Stone Pillow which nearly killed her. He married a golf pro, good for him, at least that one didn't mind the golfing all the time. And Eva Gabor gave up on dating him when she realized she had to take a back seat to golf. I wonder if he was buried with those clubs? Lucy wanted to work till the end of her life. That's why she did the Hope specials and lived for his invitations, he asked her for one last one but she died before she could do it. Even after the people are gone, it's still something that can be discussed by the people around them who saw the actions of both. You know, like the people at Sinatra's house who heard him knock her after she was gone, so why aren't we allowed the same privilege? I felt the exact same way as you until people woke me up to the actual facts. I try and be fair, but this one is a very lopsided argument.

That Other Fan · 09-04-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by SPLAIN
After Life with Lucy, Lucy had this play she wanted to do, a homeless woman, you know, Apple Annie, but the dutiful manager hubby was not going to stay in New York for six months and miss his beloved golf, the true love of his life, so he convinced her not to that one and instead do Stone Pillow which nearly killed her.

It was before LWL. Part of the reason she was offered LWL is because of the high ratings for "Stone Pillow". It was because of that play, which never happened, that Lucy herself wanted to do "Stone Pillow".

Yes, Gary did not want move to NY as apparently he hated it there (according to Lee anyway, and no I'm not trying to discredit him), but Lucy was "enthused" to do it, and it was not because of his "dread" of moving east that shelved that project. What shelved that project was the financial backer. They were unwilling to back Lucy for even a limited run because of what happened with "Wildcat" and the concerns about whether, at her age, she was up for such a strenuous routine (doing the show eight times a week). Their concerns were greater than the fact that "Lucy's return to broadway", would've have been a solid seller.

Sidenote: Something I noticed upon reviewing Lee's book, he claims Gary campaigned hard for Lucy to do "Driving Miss Daisy", but it went to Jessica Tandy. This points to what I said in an earlier post, about taking things with a grain of salt. In a few other books it claims she was considered for the role, but she simply didn't want the part.

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And Eva Gabor gave up on dating him when she realized she had to take a back seat to golf.

Eva actually commented on her “relationship” with Gary?

dawsongirl · 09-04-2003, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Mickey
Maybe he just didn't like it?! Not everybody does, you know...

I didn't say he had to like it...but I've seen plenty of shows that I didn't like.

Mickey · 09-04-2003, 06:09 PM

Yes, but you see ten minutes of a show, you don't enjoy it, you don't bother watching again, you maybe forget about it. I don't know. I didn't even know Gary's name till I started coming to this place. I really don't know a single thing about the guy, except that Lucy seemed to be in love with him, at least once upon a time. I tend to stick up for him from time to time though, because I know what a rabid lot Lucy fans are! And given how some people like to put Desi down - in my opinion unfairly - I'm inclined to be a little dubious about some of these Gary opinions!

But like I said, I don't know anything about the guy - or what he did and didn't watch on TV!

SPLAIN · 09-05-2003, 10:07 AM

Listen, i forgive Desi lots of things because he protected her and guided her and knew how to present her, and he was the love of her life. Same with Gary, he gave her 28 years of security and hand holding and she felt protected again and she verbally abused him and was tough on him, so i allow for all that, but i agree with you on one thing OtherLucyFan, Lee's book did not paint him in a good light. Yes Eva was quoted as saying those things about him. And Driving Miss Daisy finally might have gotten her that Oscar, but it didn't matter anyway, as she died before the Oscar went to Tandy in the Spring of '90. It was a combination of Lee's book and then those insiders talking about the fact that they were unhappy together at the end, such a sad ending to a great life.

LUCILLE BALL · 09-09-2003, 06:42 PM

Well I will come clean and admit that at one time I was adammit about defending the man and a big Gary supporter, I am usually a good judge of character, now I have completely changed my opinions of what I thought of him, just because I know his only intensions for Lucy were badly in vein...for himself. He didn't give two figs about her later on. He wasn't there taking care of her when she had her stroke and mild heart attack, as a matter of fact, he knew she had high blood pressure and wasn't supposed to have too high of a sodium intake and what does he do, he pushes (that isn't the word I want to use) her to have salty foods. He didn't want her family or old friends in her life. Later on when she was at home he would go to the golf clubs and fancy restaurants with his cronies and bad mouth Lucy. It didn't tak him long to start dating again after Lucy died, I mean damn the woman wasn't even cold yet, she was as fresh out of the oven as a Krispy Kreme doughnut than he was already on a date. His family sponged off of her, his mother even sponged off Lucy the way he did. Lucy was adammit about wanting to do ANOTHER series, all her friends were dead and retired, Desi her friend advisor and teh love of her life were gone, her mother was gone, and she was heavily depressed, despite her saying NO!!!! he made end runs around her and ta da Lucy is back in a series, not even a really great show, and she was in ill health, after Stone Pillow, her health was very deteriorated, she had high blood pressure, heart condition you name it, she probably had it, but he pushed her to do that show, because it meant a fat salary for
him. Oh and that story about the prenup.....that doesn't mean a thing. Paper is cheap. Cheap Talk doesn't mean a thing.

And yes I agree....I am sure even a Monk in an isolated Monistary has heard about I Love Lucy, It was the highest rated show of the era, most advertised, and Lucy was all over the cover, gimme a break, he wasn't that successful as a comedian, the BS about being in the Borsht Belt....not too many people have ever heard of him....there are Lucy Fans that have never even heard of him. He couldn't have been all taht busy that he had not heard of Lucy or I love Lucy. Pulllease. Break out the wedge because the sand trap is falling kinda deep dontcha think???

onlyonelucy · 09-09-2003, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by dawsongirl
I always wondered about that. It just seems...bizarre. Stores closed on Monday nights so people could watch ILL, but he hadn't seen it? Where the hell was he, the North Pole??

EXACTLY! You hit the nail on the head girl!!!!

onlyonelucy · 09-09-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by LUCILLE BALL
she was as fresh out of the oven as a Krispy Kreme doughnut

No you DIDN'T use THAT choice of words! Oh Lord, I think I'm going to faint........

bweir · 09-09-2003, 11:59 PM

Yes Jen, you have gone to a new level of creativity.

SPLAIN · 09-10-2003, 10:46 AM

Yes even the unshockable Claude was taken aback by that one, BUT, everything else she said was RIGHT ON!

onlyonelucy · 09-10-2003, 05:55 PM

Unshockable Claude

SPLAIN · 09-11-2003, 08:59 AM

That's my name, don't wear it out!

onlyonelucy · 09-11-2003, 05:27 PM

I wonder if Jen even realized what she said. Lord, I hope not.

LUCILLE BALL · 09-11-2003, 09:21 PM

Well now that you have brought it to my attention I have.

Well I will use that old cliche' "It sounded like a good idea at the time"

I guess I was trying to come up with my own little metaphoric analogy or euphymysm like they do down here, but I guess it din't come out too good.I guess it it is true what they say you can a person out of the north but can't take the north out of the person.LOL J/K
Usually we are too busy sitting at our credenzas drinking our soda pops, vaccuuming our "furtiles, or driving into Ralleigh on our electrolytes.
Don't try to figua this out y'all ...this is a cute little private joke between OnlyOneLucy and Myself.

[winks at OOL]
I am just being my usual smart allic self.

I guess I was tired at the time I was writing that.....You knwo me, once I get on a roll it is hard for me to stop, and I am liable to say
ANYTHING
then again sometimes I cannot help my weird, but unique sense of creativity.

MagsLovesLucy · 09-11-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by LUCILLE BALL
Well now that you have brought it to my attention I have.

Well I will use that old cliche' "It sounded like a good idea at the time"

I guess I was trying to come up with my own little metaphoric analogy or euphymysm like they do down here, but I guess it din't come out too good.I guess it it is true what they say you can a person out of the north but can't take the north out of the person.LOL J/K
Usually we are too busy sitting at our credenzas drinking our soda pops, vaccuuming our "furtiles, or driving into Ralleigh on our electrolytes.
Don't try to figua this out y'all ...this is a cute little private joke between OnlyOneLucy and Myself. [winks at OOL]
I am just being my usual smart allic self.

I guess I was tired at the time I was writing that.....You knwo me, once I get on a roll it is hard for me to stop, and I am liable to say
ANYTHING
then again sometimes I cannot help my weird, but unique sense of creativity.

It was a creative, analogy, just a little shocking to read at first, LOL.

09-09-2003, 06:42 PM	#36
LUCILLE BALL Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 08, 2001 Location: Land of the Red White and LU Posts: 96	Well I will come clean and admit that at one time I was adammit about defending the man and a big Gary supporter, I am usually a good judge of character, now I have completely changed my opinions of what I thought of him, just because I know his only intensions for Lucy were badly in vein...for himself. He didn't give two figs about her later on. He wasn't there taking care of her when she had her stroke and mild heart attack, as a matter of fact, he knew she had high blood pressure and wasn't supposed to have too high of a sodium intake and what does he do, he pushes (that isn't the word I want to use) her to have salty foods. He didn't want her family or old friends in her life. Later on when she was at home he would go to the golf clubs and fancy restaurants with his cronies and bad mouth Lucy. It didn't tak him long to start dating again after Lucy died, I mean damn the woman wasn't even cold yet, she was as fresh out of the oven as a Krispy Kreme doughnut than he was already on a date. His family sponged off of her, his mother even sponged off Lucy the way he did. Lucy was adammit about wanting to do ANOTHER series, all her friends were dead and retired, Desi her friend advisor and teh love of her life were gone, her mother was gone, and she was heavily depressed, despite her saying NO!!!! he made end runs around her and ta da Lucy is back in a series, not even a really great show, and she was in ill health, after Stone Pillow, her health was very deteriorated, she had high blood pressure, heart condition you name it, she probably had it, but he pushed her to do that show, because it meant a fat salary for him. Oh and that story about the prenup.....that doesn't mean a thing. Paper is cheap. Cheap Talk doesn't mean a thing. And yes I agree....I am sure even a Monk in an isolated Monistary has heard about I Love Lucy, It was the highest rated show of the era, most advertised, and Lucy was all over the cover, gimme a break, he wasn't that successful as a comedian, the BS about being in the Borsht Belt....not too many people have ever heard of him....there are Lucy Fans that have never even heard of him. He couldn't have been all taht busy that he had not heard of Lucy or I love Lucy. Pulllease. Break out the wedge because the sand trap is falling kinda deep dontcha think???
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09-09-2003, 11:59 PM	#39
bweir Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 23, 2001 Posts: 293	Yes Jen, you have gone to a new level of creativity.
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09-04-2003, 03:28 PM	#31
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	After Life with Lucy, Lucy had this play she wanted to do, a homeless woman, you know, Apple Annie, but the dutiful manager hubby was not going to stay in New York for six months and miss his beloved golf, the true love of his life, so he convinced her not to that one and instead do Stone Pillow which nearly killed her. He married a golf pro, good for him, at least that one didn't mind the golfing all the time. And Eva Gabor gave up on dating him when she realized she had to take a back seat to golf. I wonder if he was buried with those clubs? Lucy wanted to work till the end of her life. That's why she did the Hope specials and lived for his invitations, he asked her for one last one but she died before she could do it. Even after the people are gone, it's still something that can be discussed by the people around them who saw the actions of both. You know, like the people at Sinatra's house who heard him knock her after she was gone, so why aren't we allowed the same privilege? I felt the exact same way as you until people woke me up to the actual facts. I try and be fair, but this one is a very lopsided argument.

09-04-2003, 06:09 PM	#34
Mickey Ranger Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 12, 2002 Location: The UK, and still finding Desi funnier than Lucy Posts: 960	Yes, but you see ten minutes of a show, you don't enjoy it, you don't bother watching again, you maybe forget about it. I don't know. I didn't even know Gary's name till I started coming to this place. I really don't know a single thing about the guy, except that Lucy seemed to be in love with him, at least once upon a time. I tend to stick up for him from time to time though, because I know what a rabid lot Lucy fans are! And given how some people like to put Desi down - in my opinion unfairly - I'm inclined to be a little dubious about some of these Gary opinions! But like I said, I don't know anything about the guy - or what he did and didn't watch on TV!

09-05-2003, 10:07 AM	#35
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Listen, i forgive Desi lots of things because he protected her and guided her and knew how to present her, and he was the love of her life. Same with Gary, he gave her 28 years of security and hand holding and she felt protected again and she verbally abused him and was tough on him, so i allow for all that, but i agree with you on one thing OtherLucyFan, Lee's book did not paint him in a good light. Yes Eva was quoted as saying those things about him. And Driving Miss Daisy finally might have gotten her that Oscar, but it didn't matter anyway, as she died before the Oscar went to Tandy in the Spring of '90. It was a combination of Lee's book and then those insiders talking about the fact that they were unhappy together at the end, such a sad ending to a great life.

09-10-2003, 10:46 AM	#40
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Yes even the unshockable Claude was taken aback by that one, BUT, everything else she said was RIGHT ON!

09-10-2003, 05:55 PM	#41
onlyonelucy Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 24, 2001 Location: 19700 Devonshire Blvd, Chatsworth Posts: 214	Unshockable Claude

09-11-2003, 08:59 AM	#42
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	That's my name, don't wear it out!

09-11-2003, 05:27 PM	#43
onlyonelucy Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 24, 2001 Location: 19700 Devonshire Blvd, Chatsworth Posts: 214	I wonder if Jen even realized what she said. Lord, I hope not.

09-11-2003, 09:21 PM	#44
LUCILLE BALL Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 08, 2001 Location: Land of the Red White and LU Posts: 96	Well now that you have brought it to my attention I have. Well I will use that old cliche' "It sounded like a good idea at the time" I guess I was trying to come up with my own little metaphoric analogy or euphymysm like they do down here, but I guess it din't come out too good.I guess it it is true what they say you can a person out of the north but can't take the north out of the person.LOL J/K Usually we are too busy sitting at our credenzas drinking our soda pops, vaccuuming our "furtiles, or driving into Ralleigh on our electrolytes. Don't try to figua this out y'all ...this is a cute little private joke between OnlyOneLucy and Myself. [winks at OOL] I am just being my usual smart allic self. I guess I was tired at the time I was writing that.....You knwo me, once I get on a roll it is hard for me to stop, and I am liable to say ANYTHING then again sometimes I cannot help my weird, but unique sense of creativity.