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~Tropical Punch 19~ · 03-03-2002, 01:22 PM

Yeah sure post it. I'd loev to read it.

MJFfan · 03-03-2002, 01:26 PM

It has come to my attention that you are for abortion. I feel it is my duty to explain to you why this is wrong.
I will begin by stating clearly that I look upon abortion as one of the worst forms of murder. Yes, you read correctly, I said MURDER. MURDER, MURDER, MURDER!! Oh dear, I think I'm getting to carried away. I will begin my arguments and examples.
Most debates concerning abortion circulate around the question "When does life begin?" I certainly consider this rather irrelevant. Life begins when it begins! Looking at legal rules is useless, because that's all rot. Something could count as a human in the U.S.A. and be a "thing" in Canada. You may believe that because of this, I will have no arguments to make on the subject. You are incorrect. Lets suppose that an unborn baby, to be born in about seven months is not alive. (This isn't true of course, but just for the sake of argument.) If this baby is not alive, then I suppose you would find it acceptable to kill it. However, you would have to agree that it will come alive at some point. If you destroy it at this stage, which we are pretending is before life, you are indeed preventing it from ever living. It will never cry, never eat, never breath, never talk, never grow up. Is this not just as murdering something? Even if something is not alive, but you know it will BE alive at some point, and you prevent that from ever happening? Indeed this must be just as good as killing!
Another argument that I have heard, is that even if a baby is alive, it is not murderous to kill it, because it knows nothing of life. This idea can be summed up more quickly: If something is not conscious, it is not murder to kill it. This is obviously an idiotic idea!! You will, of course agree that if somebody is asleep they are unconscious. Supposing I was asleep. My body is, in a way, lifeless and without intentional movement. If somebody were to come and stab my temporarily lifeless body, wouldn't that be counted as murder? Why different for a baby?
Look at all the people who have changed the world for the better. What if one of these people had been aborted? Maybe somebody who was prevented from living could have stopped the attacks on 9/11/01.

Usually when somebody realizes they are losing an argument, they say; "Well, you believe that etc…. " Unless you are even stupider than I thought, you are realizing your loss as you read. Most likely, you are saying, " Well, you believe in the death penalty, isn't THAT murder?" I will reply to this argument. Those who receive the death penalty have had a fair trial. These babies, these innocent babies, have not hurt anyone. They have not been fairly tried, have not had a chance to say "Please Mommy, don't kill me. Don't stop me from growing up and living a good life, from having friends and a family, even if it's an adopted one. Don't deny everything from me by murdering me in cold blood before I am even granted baptism or my first breath. You are alive, why can't I ever be? Please don't do this horrible thing to me. I haven't hurt you."
If you are still cold hearted enough to believe that murdering an innocent child is justified, then I hope you come to your senses before you die yourself.

03-03-2002, 01:26 PM	#32
MJFfan I love Family Ties! Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 01, 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 324	It has come to my attention that you are for abortion. I feel it is my duty to explain to you why this is wrong. I will begin by stating clearly that I look upon abortion as one of the worst forms of murder. Yes, you read correctly, I said MURDER. MURDER, MURDER, MURDER!! Oh dear, I think I'm getting to carried away. I will begin my arguments and examples. Most debates concerning abortion circulate around the question "When does life begin?" I certainly consider this rather irrelevant. Life begins when it begins! Looking at legal rules is useless, because that's all rot. Something could count as a human in the U.S.A. and be a "thing" in Canada. You may believe that because of this, I will have no arguments to make on the subject. You are incorrect. Lets suppose that an unborn baby, to be born in about seven months is not alive. (This isn't true of course, but just for the sake of argument.) If this baby is not alive, then I suppose you would find it acceptable to kill it. However, you would have to agree that it will come alive at some point. If you destroy it at this stage, which we are pretending is before life, you are indeed preventing it from ever living. It will never cry, never eat, never breath, never talk, never grow up. Is this not just as murdering something? Even if something is not alive, but you know it will BE alive at some point, and you prevent that from ever happening? Indeed this must be just as good as killing! Another argument that I have heard, is that even if a baby is alive, it is not murderous to kill it, because it knows nothing of life. This idea can be summed up more quickly: If something is not conscious, it is not murder to kill it. This is obviously an idiotic idea!! You will, of course agree that if somebody is asleep they are unconscious. Supposing I was asleep. My body is, in a way, lifeless and without intentional movement. If somebody were to come and stab my temporarily lifeless body, wouldn't that be counted as murder? Why different for a baby? Look at all the people who have changed the world for the better. What if one of these people had been aborted? Maybe somebody who was prevented from living could have stopped the attacks on 9/11/01. Usually when somebody realizes they are losing an argument, they say; "Well, you believe that etc…. " Unless you are even stupider than I thought, you are realizing your loss as you read. Most likely, you are saying, " Well, you believe in the death penalty, isn't THAT murder?" I will reply to this argument. Those who receive the death penalty have had a fair trial. These babies, these innocent babies, have not hurt anyone. They have not been fairly tried, have not had a chance to say "Please Mommy, don't kill me. Don't stop me from growing up and living a good life, from having friends and a family, even if it's an adopted one. Don't deny everything from me by murdering me in cold blood before I am even granted baptism or my first breath. You are alive, why can't I ever be? Please don't do this horrible thing to me. I haven't hurt you." If you are still cold hearted enough to believe that murdering an innocent child is justified, then I hope you come to your senses before you die yourself.
	__________________ ~Charlotte A big fan of family ties

03-03-2002, 01:22 PM	#31
~Tropical Punch 19~ Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 19, 2001 Location: I'm a fly on Clay's wall Posts: 1,961	Yeah sure post it. I'd loev to read it.