Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[Mastermind]

When I read a bunch more on this case, it seems like so many here blame sloppy police work. If so, please elaborate. So will I.

I for one do not see this as sloppy police work.

1. First off this is a missing persons case which is the hardest case to close.

2. This is most likely the work of a serial killer, which means the victim has no connection to the murderer.

3. There is no real physical evidence in this case.

to the friendlies telling me to go to the cops: i ask this:
Did the crime occur inside of Hazzard County? Should I forward my thoughts to Roscoe P Coltrane, J.D. Hogg, Enos, or Cletus?

A large majority of investigators in counties are ex-cops from large cities. There are also state police and state bureau of investigations. Your "Mayberry" view of county and small town police is a stereotype.

This case also potentially crosses state lines...so FBI may have involvement here.

Personally I would rather take my chances with a detective that is trying to solve 10 murders that one who has a sole murder. A small town investigator only has one murder case to work on.

-I understand that point, but why not go to his house and hang out? Do you follow Angela's sequence of events? People that are romantically involved generally would prefer to spend time face to face, especially when they are in close proximity. Put yourself in the early 90's. You're 1 minute from your boyfriends house at 11:15PM, rather than stop by, you call him from a pay phone? NO WAY.

1. 7 blocks is a pretty good distance away.
From a beat police officers point of view that's nearly 4 sectors. That's still a good amount of time to walk....Plenty of time for an abductor, if you ask me.

2. I don;t see how walking to your house prevents a serial killer from attacking you. I would think having another able bodied male arrive as soon as possible to escort you would be a wiser choice.

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sigh. No arguments about the challenge of beating a lie detector... that takes some skills.

Forget the lie detector...what about Rob;s story wasn;t true? Where was Rob caught in a lie?

Considering the police cleared him, I would have to assume that the police did not catch him in a lie.

On the point of the transmission, it gives Rob an alibi

1. Why would you sabatage your own escape vehicle?
2. Why does he need an alibi?....who;s been murdered? As far as we know...Angela Hammond has disappeared. Rob seemed to do a pretty good job of disposing the body? Why does he need an alibi?
3. Would Rob really have the know-how to purposely damage the car in that way?
4. The car is not something that Rob can just toss away like a bloody glove...He needs that thing to drive places.

[Mastermind]

Onlooker,

Maybe I missed it..but you still haven;t explained what Rob did with the body and why there was no evidence of the body in the car.....

[kadrmas15]

Hey Mastermind, you indicated you might be interested in talking about my stance on the FBI. Kadrmas15@hotmail.com is where you can get ahold of me if you wish.

[Onlooker]

The Hazzard county thing was in jest.

Nonetheless:
I think the car shows clean because Angela was not attacked, murdered or transported (deceased) in the vehicle. That's why his car is clean. I thought I had mentioned this in one of my posts... maybe I forgot. If she was ever attacked in a car, or transported while not alive, it would've been in Her car, not Robs. As you said, Cletus or Enos, who sees one murder investigation probably during his career may have cleared Rob.


I'm totally in the dark about what you mean by these 2 points. I suspect that Rob may have parked Angela's car near the payphone and then hustled on foot to his own home and arrived on foot/bike around 10pm.


Yeah, there's some distance, but Rob could probably cover it in 1.5 minutes tops... figuring 7 blocks is less than 1/4 mile.
------------1. 7 blocks is a pretty good distance away.
From a beat police officers point of view that's nearly 4 sectors. That's still a good amount of time to walk....Plenty of time for an abductor, if you ask me.

I think maybe I was misunderstood. Rob would've been the one on foot, as he could have dropped the car off by the payphone.
--------------2. I don;t see how walking to your house prevents a serial killer from attacking you. I would think having another able bodied male arrive as soon as possible to escort you would be a wiser choice.

The sensational nature of the story along with the fact that no one saw the main event or the victim during the 75 minute time window, or perhaps the greater time window from the BBQ until 11:15 is too much for me to believe. Yeah, it's a gut feeling. Like I said before, if it's a guy that has a kill vehicle, it's unlikely that he finds a victim 5 minutes into his quest. He could drive for hours and days looking for a vulnerable subject. This would cause the vehicle to be seen.

1. Why would you sabatage your own escape vehicle? As I said many times, it makes this sensational story more credible. Give him a reason to release his emotions, as he nearly saved the day, etc. If you put a body through a wood chipper and needed to drop the chipper into a lake to protect your freedom, you would do it. Simply put, it makes the story more believable. It's a lot better than, I chased him for 80 miles and he wouldn't pull over and.... (also, he'd be way out in the sticks if it was to happen that way.)
2. Why does he need an alibi?....who;s been murdered? As far as we know...Angela Hammond has disappeared. Rob seemed to do a pretty good job of disposing the body? Why does he need an alibi? Come on. It's likely that Angela is no longer with us.
3. Would Rob really have the know-how to purposely damage the car in that way? Welp,when I was in high school, we all beat on our crappy cars and new some of the things that wore on the tranny. It doesn't take a lot of thought.
4. The car is not something that Rob can just toss away like a bloody glove...He needs that thing to drive places. Sure. He does need the car and probably got it fixed. Have you ever had a transmission fail? I have had one completely go out and another that slipped badly. I could aim to shoot a hole in the chase part of the story, but it would probably be followed up with another question no one here can answer.

[kamy]

Get over it---Rob was not involved!!!

Where's the beating a dead horse emoticons?!!!

[Hambone2421]

[kamy]

Thank you Hambone!!

[Mastermind]

Nonetheless:
I think the car shows clean because Angela was not attacked, murdered or transported (deceased) in the vehicle. That's why his car is clean. I thought I had mentioned this in one of my posts... maybe I forgot. If she was ever attacked in a car, or transported while not alive, it would've been in Her car, not Robs.

As you said, Cletus or Enos, who sees one murder investigation probably during his career may have cleared Rob.

I never said Cletus and Enos...you did...Why are you attributing the quote to me? Did I ever say that in a post???

I really think you need to research small town police departments. Your words are filled with stereotypes and misconceptions.

I think you need to step out of the city and take a drive into the outskirts of your county.

Nonetheless:
I think the car shows clean because Angela was not attacked, murdered or transported (deceased) in the vehicle. That's why his car is clean. I thought I had mentioned this in one of my posts... maybe I forgot. If she was ever attacked in a car, or transported while not alive, it would've been in Her car, not Robs. As you said, Cletus or Enos, who sees one murder investigation probably during his career may have cleared Rob.

1. Angela;s car would have been searched as well. It would have been a standard procedure. It's not like they need a warrant to do so...

2. Why does he need to take Angela;s car...what's wrong with the his own?

3.. There would have been evidence that Angela;s car was moved.

Yeah, it's a gut feeling.

That;s the problem with your whole argument. It;s based on your perception of Rob and the stereotype of small towns.

You have presented NO circumstantial evidence to make Rob a suspect.

Your entire theory is based on your belief that Rob;s story was a complete fabrication,. Even though there has been no lie that has been determined in his story. Even though the damage done on Rob;s car verifies aspects of the story.

That;s it! No evidence, no eye witnesses, no stories of past violent behavior.

Nothing.

Your also losing credibility with your "Dukes of Hazzards" comments. (which is really antiquated, since with crystal meth and growing expansion, small counties are becoming very crime infested.)

[Mastermind]

Everything about this case has the earmarks of the work of a sexual predator.

If I'm correct, there have been two other women that could be connected, no?

The Cheryl, woman? I forget her name...

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by Mastermind

Everything about this case has the earmarks of the work of a sexual predator.

If I'm correct, there have been two other women that could be connected, no?

The Cheryl, woman? I forget her name...

Yes, your right, Cheryl Ann Kinney. But also Kenneth McDuff was thought to be involved at one point since he was in the area and had just been released from prison. That man did unspeakable things. I hope Angela Hammond was not one of his victims.

[mwcarolina]

1. Why would you sabatage your own escape vehicle?
that's the point, you wouldn't, i agree Mastermind, and Onlooker seems to think that Rob and his parents were/are made of money, 1000 dollars is not a cheap fix especially when (if guilty) he can make up a better alibi.
2. Why does he need an alibi?....who;s been murdered? As far as we know...Angela Hammond has disappeared. Rob seemed to do a pretty good job of disposing the body? Why does he need an alibi?
Well like Onlooker said, i dont think Angela is with us (sadly), BUT i agree with you Mastermind, why DOES he need an alibi??? if Rob did do this (which i dont agree with) then Rob is the perfect criminal and should write a book before he dies and leave it in his will.
3. Would Rob really have the know-how to purposely damage the car in that way?
anyone could, but like i said, why would you when you can make up a better alibi, Onlooker thinks making up fake alibi's is as simple as counting to 3, it's not, young criminals usually make up something like, i was with a friend, not i chased the stranger and my transmission failed.
4. The car is not something that Rob can just toss away like a bloody glove...He needs that thing to drive places
AGREE!!!! the car is not a 10 dollar glove, it's something you need for going to work among other things, you don't break it on purpose to CREATE an alibi, that's why i think that point is dumb, you don't ON purpose damage a transmission so you can have an alibi.

Mastermind brought up more good points about Angela's car being used.
1. Angela;s car would have been searched as well. It would have been a standard procedure. It's not like they need a warrant to do so...
yep, if the boyfriend was investigated i am SURE they searched through her car and evidence would've been found.
2. Why does he need to take Angela;s car...what's wrong with the his own?
agree, why take Angela's car?
3.. There would have been evidence that Angela;s car was moved.
there would've been evidence on her seat being moved, i am sure we would find Rob's hair among other things.
You have presented NO circumstantial evidence to make Rob a suspect.
Your entire theory is based on your belief that Rob;s story was a complete fabrication,. Even though there has been no lie that has been determined in his story. Even though the damage done on Rob;s car verifies aspects of the story.
That's my problem with your suspicions, you are only suspecting him because of a lack of witnesses (not good enough) and a story which you believe is false.

[bell83]

Originally Posted by Mastermind

Nonetheless:
I think the car shows clean because Angela was not attacked, murdered or transported (deceased) in the vehicle. That's why his car is clean. I thought I had mentioned this in one of my posts... maybe I forgot. If she was ever attacked in a car, or transported while not alive, it would've been in Her car, not Robs.



I never said Cletus and Enos...you did...Why are you attributing the quote to me? Did I ever say that in a post???

I really think you need to research small town police departments. Your words are filled with stereotypes and misconceptions.

I think you need to step out of the city and take a drive into the outskirts of your county.




1. Angela;s car would have been searched as well. It would have been a standard procedure. It's not like they need a warrant to do so...

2. Why does he need to take Angela;s car...what's wrong with the his own?

3.. There would have been evidence that Angela;s car was moved.



That;s the problem with your whole argument. It;s based on your perception of Rob and the stereotype of small towns.

You have presented NO circumstantial evidence to make Rob a suspect.

Your entire theory is based on your belief that Rob;s story was a complete fabrication,. Even though there has been no lie that has been determined in his story. Even though the damage done on Rob;s car verifies aspects of the story.

That;s it! No evidence, no eye witnesses, no stories of past violent behavior.

Nothing.

Your also losing credibility with your "Dukes of Hazzards" comments. (which is really antiquated, since with crystal meth and growing expansion, small counties are becoming very crime infested.)

You're wasting your time, Mastermind. It's like arguing with one of the moon landing conspiracy buffs. No matter what logical things you tell them, no matter what evidence you show, they always have "indisputable proof," "facts," and "gut feelings." Angela, herself, could probably show up on this board, and tell us Rob wasn't involved, and Onlooker would still believe it was Rob.

[mwcarolina]

Angela, herself, could probably show up on this board, and tell us Rob wasn't involved, and Onlooker would still believe it was Rob.
hahaha Bell, honestly, i could believe Rob did it if there was any proof of him lying, but the police (who are usually good at their job) believes him, i do too, the fact is, in the segment, there wasn't any part of him that looked suspicious. Rob looked like he was upset and not upset like "i did this" upset like "i could've done something to help" If this was a Paul and Charlotte Pollis thread, then i could agree that the husband/boyfriend did it because he acted suspicious in many ways, even in the interviews on the segment. I agree with Mastermind and think that it's a serial killer/rapist that did this and in my view, i dont think the killer even knew the town, i think he was passing through, then saw her as the perfect target. She was alone at night in small town, this guy hasnt been caught for this crime which tells me he did this before.

[bell83]

Seriously, Carolina, one of Onlooker's big things is the complete and utter disbelief that at the unbelievably early time of 11pm, in a small town, that everyone isn't all over the roads, stores, gas stations, and discotheques lit up...it's obvious Onlooker's not from a small town. I've written two posts, already, disputing the "facts" being put forward, and they've gone unread. I'm forced to believe that this poster is either reading only the things they think are relevant to their "facts," or simply doesn't care to have their theories debunked.

[mwcarolina]

Seriously, Carolina, one of Onlooker's big things is the complete and utter disbelief that at the unbelievably early time of 11pm, in a small town, that everyone isn't all over the roads, stores, gas stations
yeah and i agree with you, i dont live in a small town, but i know people who have and i driven in them in georgia and your right, there isn't much business at night, and 11pm is not early unless you are in a big city that has clubs/bars all over the place.