Does anyone love Shia...

[Fez619]

Everybody can do the roles Raven has. Anybody can act like she does on That's So Raven, anybody can be a priss, and anybody can be a snob, it's not that hard.

I personally think That's So Raven is alright, but has never made me laugh. I just think she is a good actor, but her show sucks. I think Chelsea (whatever her real name is), is a good actor too, but not as good as Raven. But, I hate Orlando Brown. All in all, like I said I think the show sucks, well maybe not sucks, but isn't that great of a show.

On Even Stevens, Shia may act stupid but he acts so stupid that it's funny. I mean most people that age are like that, well maybe not as dumb, but still they act like that. I think Even Stevens is the FAR better show. But that is my opinion. I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it like you don't agree with mine.

[lilb-boy3]

I noticed on TSR that she sometimes do the same little things louis does on even stevens( ie the faces she makes and stuff) But unlike shia, its ACTUALLY funny(IMO). I really dont see how the show isnt funny or how it sucks, I understand its your opinion but I just dont understand why. When louis does all the mess on the show, it is really really riduculous, but I cant see how its funny at all. Ive seen that show countless times, and it has never went off with out me saying, that is so stupid or thats so retardid. Cause IMO it is. Besides LM, Even Stevens was the most stupidest show disney has ever done. I love disney and all, but Im just so glad that show is gone. Hopefully with this new phil of the future thang, theyll finally decide to move even stevens to 1 in the morning so it wont boggle down on the better shows.

Thats just what I think.

[lilb-boy3]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fez619
[B]Everybody can do the roles Raven has. Anybody can act like she does on That's So Raven, anybody can be a priss, and anybody can be a snob, it's not that hard.

Yea most people can. But for her if she can act all those different ways that means she has TALENT. Im not trying to say shia doesnt have talent either becasue he really does. I wont be the one suppoerting his career, but I think if a Raven can act differently in every role she plays, it show how good of an actress she really is. IMO she will always be the best, and shia wont get but ****** in all his roles.


I did like him in holes, because he was getting pushed and shoved around alot, and Ive always wanted to see him get shoved around ever since his crap show went off.You see, if I was in holes, I wouldnt have to ACT like I was being mean to him or shoving him around or act like I dont like him, it would naturaly come out.

[Fez619]

If those roles that Raven did means she has talent than everybody does. But, I never said Raven didn't have talent. Shia has gotten roles where he is not acting stupid. Like, Tru Confessions, where he played a role of a mentally disabled person, a role which a lot of people cannot do. So...he acts stupid on Even Stevens, at least he can more than that. I have yet to see Raven star in a role, in which a lot people cannot do. She has always been roles that are simple to do and comes naturally to just about everyone, she is just able to perform in front of the camera while some can't.

Raven may have the better facial expressions but that is about it in which she is superior to Shia. The only reason Even Stevens is gone is because Disney only does 65 episodes of each show, even though they offered to do more of Lizzie McGuire, but Hilary refused due to she didn't feel like she was being paid enough(not that I'm disapointed, because the show was pretty stupid). But, as far as I'm considered That's So Raven is a dumb show. Shia is good at being stupid, and just like what you do with Even Stevens, I do with That's So Raven. I laugh at Even Stevens, you laugh at That's So Raven. It's about prefences, and obviously your's differs from mine.

[lilb-boy3]

Yes it obviosely does. When you said that shia is good at acting stupid, thats really nothin for him to be proud of. If he go walking around and he is remebered for being dumb(which in my eyes he will always be) thats a BIG put down for him.


I still think playing as a mentally challenged person on camera was really easy for him because he LOOKS mentally challenged already, and he ACTS like hes mentally challenged on his show which to me is really no difference whatsoever. And almost all actors and actresses can put on a crying scene, it not hard to make tears come from your eyes, I know a lot of people who can.

The movie tru confessions was a real good movie, it made me cry, and I agree that he did his best role in playing eddie. But getting paid for acting and looking dumb on tv is not real acting thats just plain riduculous, and I was real suprised that disney allowed such a dumb show to continue that had no basic plot, but just to show how stupid an idiot can look.


But hey this is just me.

[Fez619]

And That's So Raven is not stupid? Even Stevens is a show a lot of people can relate to, because there are a lot of people who act just like the character Louis, Shia plays. He is just portraying a role as a regular teenager, in a normal life. It's just a show that most people can relate to and enjoy.

How many people can relate to being psychic? if Raven was such a good actor, then she would of probably been picked to appear in some movies, that are NOT produced by Disney. Shia is set to appear in several. Including one alongside Will Smith.

Also, about how it isn't hard to be stupid. It's harder for some people, just personality. Some people don't act anything like that so it would be harder for them to do that role. The only way to know if Shia is actually like Louis, is to know Shia in real life. I don't think any one here does. And about the crying not everyone can do that. I've seen many major actors you can only sound like that their crying, and make their eyes look like they are going to, but can't make tears come out. Making the tears come out is the hard part, but usually us guys are the ones who have the trouble doing it, but some don't.

[lilb-boy3]

Ive seen Raven cry in some of her roles. I cant relate to Thats so Raven at all, but some can in the fact that she has an annoying little brother and has friends. But I definately can NOT relate to Even stevens because I dont act that immature or stupid, And Ive never seen anyone or know anyone who can act that dumb in real life so relating to even stevens I dont.


All in all I still support the fact that Raven is the best on disney channel IMO.

[Fez619]

Dude, everybody at some point in their life acts that stupid, and immature. I could name at least twelve people in my grade (11th) that act that stupid, and immature. You may be able to relate to it but there are a lot of people who can. I've never seen Raven do a good crying scene, Hilary Duff pulled one off that was way better than what Raven has been able to do.

I'm getting sick of writing about this, and arguing over what is the better show, and who is the better actor. I believe Even Stevens is much better than That's So Raven, and Shia is a much better actor than Raven. You think what you want, because I really don't care, this is agrument is really getting old, and I'm done with it. Even Stevens, is, and will always be considered better in my opinion.


One last little thing about who is the better actor. Let me know the next time Raven does a big movie that is not produced by Disney, because Shia is getting ready to appear in many, maybe that doesn't exactly mean Shia is better, but it doesn't make Raven look good, when it seems like all she can get is shows, and movies from Disney. Not that, that is a bad thing.

[lilb-boy3]

First off, Raven has been in movies and shows that ARENT disney before she even signed with them.

Second, usually the people who start their careers with disney usually start doing other movies because disney made them stars. And are offered better things because they started with disney. Look at hilary, and Lindsay lohan, before they were with disney they were NOBODY that includes shia. Before raven was with disney she STILL had fans, she was STILL making albums and premiering in roles more then, then she is now. Now thats she with disney she is gonna be getting more popular.

If your tired of this then stop replying to what I be saying you didnt need to reply saying you were tired of the thread you could've just left.

And I still have never met a bigger fool than shias character on even stevens, you probably have because you probably associate with losers like that. I dont so...........

Just because raven is with disney doesnt mean she will not be offered other movies. And that hilary duff remark about her putting a better crying scene then raven. I dont wat youve been smokin, but if your refering to that gay episode where her mom said something then she started crying. That was perhaps the worst acting shed ever done. Raven has done better crying and serios thangs then hilary. You cant compare them two at all.

All in all Raven is still better than shia, and all the other people you put in the same sentence as her. IMO

[Fez619]

Well I'm not very good at letting things go so might as well continue on the tradition.

She was in TV Shows before she went to Disney, and she played a part in the two Dr. Dolittle movies. She was in the Cosby Show, and Hangin' With Mr. Cooper. I don't constitute that as being very popular. If she has done anything else let me know, because after she was in Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, I didn't see her until the Dr. Dolittle movies, so I doubt she did much as a teenager until around now. She is not that great of a singer, and all of the American Idol contestants blow her away. Just like Hilary Duff, she needs to stick to acting. If she as such great acting skills then tell me in which movies, to tv shows to watch where she did any thing worth watching. But, I do agree with on that Shia, Lindsay, and Hilary wouldn't be much without Disney. But, Lindsay, Hilary, and Shia are emerging stars while Raven is not. Well, Shia isn't a star yet but he is getting ready to become one with many movies that he is appearing in are coming out in theaters shortly.

If you haven't met someone as stupid as Louis on Even Stevens, or close then you must not go too many places because you tend find those kind of people all over the place. I don't hang out with those kind of people, they are the kind of people who sit in class and continue to speak out in class with the stupid remarks that make everyone laugh, whether or not you like them.

If Raven has done good crying scenes before than tell me where I can find them. And I don't want to hear anything from the shows she was on when she was a kid crying, and everything comes naturally when your younger and is easier to do, and gets tougher as you get older. Your right you can't compare the two because Hilary is a star, and Raven is not. I'm not saying I like Hilary because I don't, but I like her better than Raven, but I like Raven more than Lindsay Lohan.

You seem to think that Raven is better than everyone, so she is better than Jim Carrey? Al Pacino? Denzel Washington? Tupac Shakur? (was awesome in the movies he did) LMAO. There is so many actors better than both Shia, and Raven. But, Shia will also be lightyears ahead of Raven.

[lilb-boy3]

uhhhhhhh, I hope you dont think Im bout to say your right.

Cause your pretty ignorant if you think so.


Lets see if I can break it down for you.

Raven is better than shia.

Raven is better than Hilary much better, I dont know why your gonna put down raven and say hilary's better.

She is more of a somebody than hilary or shia, because shes been working harder on her career than any of those losers. Unlike hilary and her overnight popularity, she dont be looking upwards and thinking im better thn everyone else. I guess everyone accepted hilary more cause shes a blonde and Americas been crazy about blondes since the beginning and also because shes a priss.

I also wouldnt think that america would vote for an African American girl over a caucasion for being the best.

And how did American idol get into this, I never compared raven to anyone on american idol, because singing isnt were her best thang is at. She has a nice voice which is way better than hilary no one can disagree with that unless your stereotypes.

But keep on starting stuff, and Ill keep on finishing it.

[Fez619]

You didn't finish anything, because you didn't mention half of what I what I said. And no I don't expect you to say I'm right, because I know your not going to.

How would you know Raven has worked harder than Hilary, or Shia? Just because Raven has been acting longer doesn't mean she has worked harder. I'm not saying that she hasn't, or has. Raven is certainly not more of a somebody. Hilary is a lot more known than Raven because most people probably don't remember her from Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, or The Cosby's. But, Raven may be more known than Shia but I'm not sure. He may be more known because of doing Holes, and the HBO movie, and a few other things.

Your right most people are more crazy over blondes, than any other color of hair.I don't know why, I guess it's just something about them that stands out. But, I don't think the color of her skin has anything to do with it. No one ever voted Hilary as the best, she is just more known, so that would be why so would be considered better.

You don't know Hilary so you can't call her a priss, that would be like me calling Raven a smartass when I've never met her before.

I never said you compared American Idol to Raven, I just brought it up. I don't think neither Hilary, or Raven have good voices so I'm not even going to comment on it.

You have yet to tell me anything where Raven puts on a good crying scene.

[lilb-boy3]

well i really dont need to tell you jack, all your info is wrong. IMO.


Raven Is still better than hilary, looks better than hilary IS better than hilary in every way. The only thing hilary can beat raven in, is being a priss. How do I know shes a priss, because Ive seen her show, Ive seen some of her interviews, Ive seen how she presents herself and accepts herself. Believe me, shes a priss. You obviosly dont have common sense if you can tsee it.


Ravens still better than shia to

[Fez619]

You just proved my point. You can't prove me wrong. I have proved you wrong this whole time, and now you have nothing to come back with.

Think whatever you want. But, Raven isn't that great, and you just can't deal with it. Your just another one of those people who can't accept that Hilary is better than Raven. End of Story.

[lilb-boy3]

No, your point isnt accurate, nor do I think is true. I dont need no ignorent person like you to try and tell me something. Hilary still cant sing, nor can she act as good as raven, and If you cant see that. Than you have no good judgement.

Cause thats one thing that brings Hilary down is people like you.

End of story. ummmmmmmmmmmm Lets see. Raven is STILL better than hilary, and is still better than shia

Now END OF STORY.