Aww...Read this written by Desi Arnaz Jr.

[SPLAIN]

Well, not that i want to contradict the little darlin after that great article, but he did visit her, yes, but Lucy was alone when she died. Some reports said the nurse had left for home, you know Trudi, mentionned in Lee's book. To have nurses around the clock would have cut into the estate total! Lucy died at 6AM. She woke up with a sharp pain in her back and minutes later lost conciousness. They tried reviving her for hours.

[That Other Fan]

To have nurses around the clock would have cut into the estate total!

Snide remarks directed at a certain person who was close to Lucy and no longer alive to defend himself aside, had a nurse been there at that exact moment he/she would've been just that...a nurse. Kinda different dying with your own offspring holding you and comforting you and some nurse who you barely know at your side. Also, everyone thought Lucy was getting better. If memory serves, she was recovering so fast she was actually going to be moved to a private suite very next day, and she would have probably demanded to be taken home shortly after that, as she hated hospitals (as we all know). Had her kids, and Gary known what was "in the cards," not only would a nurse be present round the clock, but they most likely would have been there themselves.

[Mickey]

You confuse me there Splain. You say she was alone when she died, but that they tried to revive her for hours? Well if she was dead they wouldn't have tried to revive her. Surely she was just alone when she lost consciousness then, and there were people with her when she actually died? Maybe that's what Desi Jnr meant when he said he was with her - when death was actually declared?

Besides, she had a ruptured aorta, yes? Death would have been very unexpected, and very sudden. It could have happened at any moment, and they wouldn't have known it was going to happen, so nobody being present when the thing actually went is nobody's fault. It's just one of those things. My grandmother stayed at her husband's side for several days without leaving, because she was told he was dying - she left the room at last to get a drink, and he slipped away when she was gone! These things just happen.

[SPLAIN]

Mickey, you'll never change my mind on this one, she should NOT have been alone, and That Other Fan, wether you like it or not my snide remark was stolen from Paula Stewart and many others who knew that cheapskate, she had millions and therefore should have had round the clock nurses, whatever the expense, he cancelled nurses because he was cheap, so was she, but not when it came to someone's life or health!

[Mickey]

I'm not trying to change your mind, you know way more about it than I do! I just can't believe that anybody would knowingly endanger their wife's life. Ouch, unfortunate rhyme, sorry! It seems unbelievable that a nurse would be taken away at a time when they thought death could be imminent, just to save money.

[*ShortCake*]

Originally posted by Mickey
I'm not trying to change your mind, you know way more about it than I do! I just can't believe that anybody would knowingly endanger their wife's life. Ouch, unfortunate rhyme, sorry! It seems unbelievable that a nurse would be taken away at a time when they thought death could be imminent, just to save money.

welp, that sums Gary up for ya in a nutshell.

[SPLAIN]

I think he cancelled the nurse after the stroke, a year earlier. At the hospital, she was getting better, like someone here said, but my point is i would never leave my own mother alone after an operation that stopped her heart and she had high blood pressure and didn't even want to be in that hospital and she's 77 and suffering from many other ailments, it just seems to me that so they don't regret it the rest of their lives afterwards, they could have afforded round the clock care. The woman left 22 million, she didn't need to rely on her insurance or anything.

[That Other Fan]

Originally posted by SPLAIN
That Other Fan, wether you like it or not my snide remark was stolen from Paula Stewart and many others who knew that cheapskate

I direct your attention to the thread on this board entitled "What is everyone's Problem With Gary.” In that thread we found out that different people have different opinions on events that take place. Hell, if we were to take some of Lee's word (or insinuations....) as the complete truth, perhaps we should assume that Paula Stewart was nothing more than another "leach" in Lucy's life. However, we then must take into consideration the little "problem" they had. A problem that caused Lee to be banished from Lucy's life for more than a year. Looking closer at the situation; were some of Lee's more "scandalous" comments about Paula influenced by their "issue" or were those his honest, unbiased opinions of his memories involving Paula?

Something else we learned in that thread...there are two sides to every story.

Therefore, my original point holds true. Snide remarks aside, said person is not available to clear his name, therefore we've gotta take everything with a huge grain of salt.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Trudy a private nurse (Hence, the nickname "Trudy ArcudiPrivateDuty"). In one book it claims she was there with Lucy (I forget which), in Lee's book he says that she had left only a few hours earlier to get some "much needed" rest, at her home.

Either someone was there or the situation was just so unexpected (as she was improving) that unfortunately no one was there...at that exact moment. Whatever the case, I see no need for the "blame game". Especially, in this circumstance.

[onlyonelucy]

I am not going to get into detail but from hearing with my own 2 ears from people who knew Lucy VERY well and Gary too........the man didn't give 2 cents about her. He saw $$ signs when he met her and fed her the line that he'd never seen an episode of "I Love Lucy". C'mon, people in Africa see it and he didn't? I don't buy it. I have always had my suspiscions (sp?) about the man and they were confirmed. Not many people care for him that knew him and then again there are those who did like him. Personally I think he didn't care if Lucy got better or not, sad to say

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
He saw $$ signs when he met her and fed her the line that he'd never seen an episode of "I Love Lucy". C'mon, people in Africa see it and he didn't? I don't buy it.

I always wondered about that. It just seems...bizarre. Stores closed on Monday nights so people could watch ILL, but he hadn't seen it? Where the hell was he, the North Pole??

Wait, maybe he was perfecting his comedy act...no...can't be...he wasn't funny.

[Mickey]

Maybe he just didn't like it?! Not everybody does, you know...

[Lodee]

He fed her the line that he'd never seen an episode of "I Love Lucy". C'mon, people in Africa see it and he didn't? I don't buy it

Yeah, I don't believe that either. TV had what, like 3 channels back then? How could you NOT see it?

[Mickey]

Not everybody had TVs though; not then. There was a lot of snootiness about it. People would want to be seen as book readers, or theatre goers, rather than 'the sort of people who watch television'. It was a backlash to the time when only the very rich could afford TV - once everybody could, the rich and the stuck up didn't want it! There was also a big group of people who had always relied on the cinema, and took a long time to adjust.

[SPLAIN]

Hello, Mr Snide here, how you all doinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn? Listen Other fan, i was where you are today at one point, defending Gary all the time telling people, you have to be fair, they spent 28 years together, he gave her stability and calm after the turbulent Desi years, and i would also ad that Lucy was no picnic to live with, she banished Lee for a year because he screamed like an idiot and had a fit in her presence that terrified her and Paula, but she took him back eventually. Yes, he seems anti Gary, and being pro Lucie, i now debate some things mentionned in the book. The thing is i too, like Sherry have heard from many insiders how all was not perfect in Lucyland at the end. Paula has said so in print in the Talk article and is rumored to be writing a book, i wish she would, so if we piece it all together, we can finally get the true picture. Hey, i invented the there's always two sides to every story remark, and use it all the time, but Gary hastened the end of her career, lashed on to her in the best Sid Luft tradition and was on easy street from then on. However, i have to feel for the guy when i read things like Milton Berle answering him when Gary told Berle to lighten up, so Berle answers, listen you, what did you ever direct that your wife didn't arrange for you. Things like that are horrible, then again, he had an easy life because he entered that world, and the way he treated her might have reflected on some of the behavior she exhibited also, but i will never forget his many actions over the years, putting his golf ahead of her career and more importantly her health and happiness. And dollar signs for Life with Lucy eclipsing her stature in the world of television. And dating weeks after she died, and many other things. The only things i allow for are the relationship he had with her kids and the 28 years of holding her hand and at least she died showing her contemporaries she still had a man at the end of HER life. Proving that her ultimate failure with her earlier marriage wasn't her fault in the public's eyes. Maybe that was more important for her than admitting Gary was not that great for her, especially at the end, would a 77 year old sick and tired woman go through all that at that stage of her life or would the publicity and image concious woman take it and shut up, i think we know the answer to that one.

[That Other Fan]

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Hello, Mr Snide here, how you all doinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn?

Hello Mr. Snide, I'm great, what a lovely day....

Signed,

That Other Fan

The thing is i too, like Sherry have heard from many insiders how all was not perfect in Lucyland at the end.

And I'm pretty sure there are "insiders" with a favorable opinion of Gary at the end (Two rather close insiders especially)...why?

Say it with me....

Two sides to every story, people see things differently.

What to one person is this "Horrible thing Gary did to Lucy" to another maybe "Well you have to understand why Gary did that, and Lucy told me she understood completely because she felt that....blah, blah, blah"

Again, your favortie quote and mine..."Two sides to every story"

Paula has said so in print in the Talk article and is rumored to be writing a book, i wish she would, so if we piece it all together, we can finally get the true picture.

You can get a better understanding of certain things, but you’ll never get the “the whole story” or the “the full story,” because the individuals in question are no longer around to give it to you (or us).

Hey, i invented the there's always two sides to every story remark, and use it all the time, but Gary hastened the end of her career,

He got Lucy involved with LWL, which in retrospect was a mistake. Therefore, yes he was made some bad decisions. However, he did not end her career. She could’ve bounced back had she wanted to, unfortunately, the desire was no longer there. She had offers after that (One that instantaneously springs to mind is “Driving Miss Daisy”. If memory serves, she was one of the individuals the producers wanted, she could have “campaigned” to do it, but she didn’t want the part...)

However, i have to feel for the guy when i read things like Milton Berle answering him when Gary told Berle to lighten up, so Berle answers, listen you, what did you ever direct that your wife didn't arrange for you.Things like that are horrible

You've forgotten a few vital points of that quote.

The comment in it's entirety...

"Milton was still general in charge, towel around his neck and whistle blowing for attention. Gary turned to me as we sat in the [studio] bleachers and said, "Want to see me get Milton's goat?" He yelled at Milton, "Hey, Uncle Miltie, why don't you relax and let everyone do their jobs?" Berle saw red, and came over to where we were sitting to yell at Gary. "And what did you ever, son of a bitch, that your wife didn't arrange for?" he screamed. I just shrunk in my seat as these two went at it right in my ear. I tried to sink into the floor. They continued their shouting match until Gary had enough. "Miltie, go back to yelling at everyone else," [Morton] chuckled, and as Milton walked away Gary just laughed at how he'd gotten to him."

Obviously, Gary wasn't to bothered by their exchange. He probably expected it, which is why he laughed, as he had "gotten to Milton."

putting his golf ahead of her career and more importantly her health and happiness.

Lucy didn’t want to work anymore. Most of the offers she got, she turned down...

How did he put golf ahead of her health and happiness?

And dollar signs for Life with Lucy eclipsing her stature in the world of television.

Question.

Are you saying he put money before Lucy’s best interest with LWL?

How?

i think we know the answer to that one.

We can hypothesize/guess, but we don’t know the answer to that one. If there truly were “issues” toward the end other than, “Gary made some bad business decisions”, we don’t know what Lucy would have done, but time did not permit that.

Inconclusion, most of this belongs in the thread "What is everyone's problem with Gary"

1 - Because it would increase the post total of my thread lol

2 - That topic actually deals with all of this, and has been addressed as well.