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MariposaLKB · 08-27-2002, 07:56 AM

I have always thought that Freddie must have had some pretty extensive work done on his teeth, evidently between the first and second seasons. While I do agree that his smile was sweet and sexy even before this was done, it appears early that on his two front teeth are a bit crooked (where they meet in the middle they seem to incline toward the back of his mouth in a sort of "V"), and they are a bit on the small side (his gums are more obvious when he grins)--as well as not being perfectly white. (Not sure if part of the reason was damage from drugs--was he using anything prior to starting CATM that was capable of causing such damage?)

Beginning with the episode in which Chico wants to install a bathtub in the garage, however, his teeth are large, perfect, and very white (and he shows them off a lot more, grinning wider and laughing with his mouth open hugely)! I don't think anyone would have gone so far as to suggest that he have several front teeth pulled and wear a partial, since he was sooo young, and braces would not have been an option then for someone in the public eye. But he may have had the teeth capped which were most visible when he smiled--probably during the hiatus between the first two seasons.

As for the picture posted on the previous page by Sitcomsaretheway, it seems to be one of several that were all taken at the same time--the background is the same fence covered with graffiti, he is wearing the same work shirt, and his hair is the same. (This includes the one that was offered on eBay, the autographed photo of both Freddie and Jack in which Freddie looks like he is laughing.) It struck me not too long ago that the teeth in those photos look even larger and more perfect than his were from the beginning of the second season, and I wonder if maybe they were test shots while he was wearing temporary caps, just to see how he would look?

I also think that the producers probably waited to get Freddie this work done on his teeth until they were sure they had a hit show going.

Cheryl Harrell · 08-27-2002, 08:01 AM

He was looking good anyway we could get him...

catcopy18 · 08-28-2002, 05:22 PM

I have a good friend who is a speech pathologist and I have shown her my CATM tapes. She said that the gap and even the way his teeth were arranged in his beginning episodes of CATM could have affected his speech. I personally think his appearance as he got older improved. He lost his youthful expressions and developed a more manly appearance. I also realize that stress played a big factor towards the end. I don't see how Freddie could have gotten any more handsome than he was (except maybe to put on a FEW pounds here and there. He looked just PERFECT when he was all decked out in his suits but he did look a little under weight in his blue denim shirt (in my opinion). However, I'd accept him any way he wanted to look if he were here today! I did love Freddie's big toothy smiles - it just accentuated his dimples.

SitcomsAreTheWay · 08-28-2002, 06:38 PM

I agree, he looked handsome either way. I don't think anyone was stating that the was something wrong with him, it's just that his teeth looked as if they had-had some work done on them.They became even more obvious when had lost all of that weight.

Joy · 08-28-2002, 08:53 PM

Amen to that catcopy I agree 100%

hue_mee · 08-28-2002, 08:57 PM

Freddie in any way you looked at him or how he looked at you was an adorable handsome, sexy, beyond my imagination incredible!

catcopy18 · 08-28-2002, 11:16 PM

That picture says it all Suzanne! Handsome any way you look at him!!!!!!

catcopy18 · 08-28-2002, 11:20 PM

Sorry Joy, I just looked back at that sexy picture and saw that YOU were the one who posted it. Thank you so much!!!! Suzanne posts so many terrific pics that I assumed she posted it. You know what they say when you "ass u me" something (LOL)

Cheryl Harrell · 08-29-2002, 07:29 AM

Ya'll are making me drool!

MariposaLKB · 08-29-2002, 09:49 AM

...when he looked truly dreadful. The first three episodes of the third season his face and arms looked sooo thin--in the shows introducing Della his weight loss was particularly obvious because he was wearing his shirt untucked. I bet they had him do that (and wear sweatshirt jackets most of the rest of the time that season) to hide it, but it only made his legs look more like toothpicks by comparison!

Apart from that, I loooove how he looked with very long hair and a heavier mustache, plus the more prominent cheekbones!!! For that matter, in the few episodes when he had apparently just gotten his hair cut--like the one about Margaret's dress--he really took on that mature look that might have been an indication of how truly handsome (as opposed to boyishly cute) he would be today...

Cheryl Harrell · 08-29-2002, 02:53 PM

I noticed he wore V neck t-shirts alot. Hid that beautiful body. I also noticed that on the show after his hair would get kinda longish & hip looking he would get it cut a few weeks later. It looked to me like he got it cut every several weeks or so. When it got pretty funky looking then it looked like back to the barbers LOL! In some episodes it looked to me like it was freshly cut. I noticed in the Padre episode, it looked freshly cut. In one last episode, I think it was the Padre episode it looekd downright short to me & it got me to wondering... Did he know he was gonna end it all & decided to get a fresh hair in anticipation of his funeral etc? Made me wonder poor baby. He had such nice hair...

hue_mee · 08-29-2002, 02:58 PM

I agree with his longer hair and and his facial features that gave him a more sexier look.
This a long with his expression is one of my favorite Freddie pictures

MariposaLKB · 08-29-2002, 04:25 PM

I looove that picture--so much so that it is the one I chose to represent my character Angel! Though it is not typical of how Freddie looked, it is terribly handsome. It also looks like he was starting to put on a little weight--the cheekbones are not so prominent.

I agree re his hair--it was sooo shiny and soft-looking, usually perfectly groomed. But it is also true that toward the end it was beginning to look unkempt and dull--maybe because he was neglecting his appearance the more deeply he got into drugs? Or maybe the drugs themselves do that to a person's hair? That might be part of the reason that he seems to have gotten it cut quite often during that time--I can vouch for the fact that short hair is easier to take care of and can look neater, especially on a man.

As for his wearing V-neck T-shirts alot, I hated that look too--maybe it was another tactic, like the jackets, to hide how thin he was? Of course he DID wear a T-shirt under his work shirt sometimes earlier in the series (or alone, as in the pilot), so maybe there were just times when the set was colder than at other times?

SitcomsAreTheWay · 08-29-2002, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by hue_mee
I agree with his longer hair and and his facial features that gave him a more sexier look.
This a long with his expression is one of my favorite Freddie pictures

You know, I keep forgetting that he was only 22.He looks older and more, how can I say this, manly in that photo(not that he hadn't been before that, but that photo is just the icing on the cake.LOL I can't think of another describing word at this time, but I tried my best).

Cheryl Harrell · 08-30-2002, 03:24 AM

When he died I had no idea he was 22 & thought he was older like 25 or 26. He always looked older to me. After becoming a fan of his in 2001, that's when I found out he was only 22 when he died.

I can't help but wonder what was behind his look that last season. He was sooo cute. No matter how his hair was or how he looked or how sick he was... He still looked HOT!!!!

08-27-2002, 07:56 AM	#16
MariposaLKB She flies alone Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 06, 2001 Location: The great unknown Posts: 3,436	Interesting thoughts re teeth... I have always thought that Freddie must have had some pretty extensive work done on his teeth, evidently between the first and second seasons. While I do agree that his smile was sweet and sexy even before this was done, it appears early that on his two front teeth are a bit crooked (where they meet in the middle they seem to incline toward the back of his mouth in a sort of "V"), and they are a bit on the small side (his gums are more obvious when he grins)--as well as not being perfectly white. (Not sure if part of the reason was damage from drugs--was he using anything prior to starting CATM that was capable of causing such damage?) Beginning with the episode in which Chico wants to install a bathtub in the garage, however, his teeth are large, perfect, and very white (and he shows them off a lot more, grinning wider and laughing with his mouth open hugely)! I don't think anyone would have gone so far as to suggest that he have several front teeth pulled and wear a partial, since he was sooo young, and braces would not have been an option then for someone in the public eye. But he may have had the teeth capped which were most visible when he smiled--probably during the hiatus between the first two seasons. As for the picture posted on the previous page by Sitcomsaretheway, it seems to be one of several that were all taken at the same time--the background is the same fence covered with graffiti, he is wearing the same work shirt, and his hair is the same. (This includes the one that was offered on eBay, the autographed photo of both Freddie and Jack in which Freddie looks like he is laughing.) It struck me not too long ago that the teeth in those photos look even larger and more perfect than his were from the beginning of the second season, and I wonder if maybe they were test shots while he was wearing temporary caps, just to see how he would look? I also think that the producers probably waited to get Freddie this work done on his teeth until they were sure they had a hit show going.
	__________________ Within a cage Try to escape Her silent rage But no one ever listens... -Butterfly (Mariposa) Last edited by MariposaLKB; 08-27-2002 at 11:56 AM.

08-27-2002, 08:01 AM	#17
Cheryl Harrell I Love You Mike 4-Ever Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Location: Pixley!!!! Actually VA--USA LOL! Posts: 6,192	He was looking good anyway we could get him...
	__________________ RIP darling Mike. I love you forever... You are with Freddie Prinze & Jesus now. 1951-2009 "Make it your way, who can beat the Lord, the Son of God. Dear Lord, help me be strong where I am weak, if it be your will"-- The Late Freddie Prinze Sr

08-28-2002, 06:38 PM	#19
SitcomsAreTheWay Retro Sitcoms Fanatic Forum Regular Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: NY Posts: 612	I agree, he looked handsome either way. I don't think anyone was stating that the was something wrong with him, it's just that his teeth looked as if they had-had some work done on them.They became even more obvious when had lost all of that weight. Attached Images

08-28-2002, 08:53 PM	#20
Joy Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 10, 2001 Location: In Mn lovin my DVD and the Prinze of comedy!!! Posts: 3,247	Amen to that catcopy I agree 100% Attached Images

08-28-2002, 08:57 PM	#21
hue_mee Remembering Freddie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 28, 2001 Location: Grateful for a voice from our angel's friend Posts: 2,266	Freddie in any way you looked at him or how he looked at you was an adorable handsome, sexy, beyond my imagination incredible!
	__________________ Freddie Prinze Sr Thank you David Brenner! "...and when he shall die, take him and cut him into little stars, and he shall make the face of heaven so fine that all the earth will be in love with night..."

08-28-2002, 05:22 PM	#18
catcopy18 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 08, 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 413	I have a good friend who is a speech pathologist and I have shown her my CATM tapes. She said that the gap and even the way his teeth were arranged in his beginning episodes of CATM could have affected his speech. I personally think his appearance as he got older improved. He lost his youthful expressions and developed a more manly appearance. I also realize that stress played a big factor towards the end. I don't see how Freddie could have gotten any more handsome than he was (except maybe to put on a FEW pounds here and there. He looked just PERFECT when he was all decked out in his suits but he did look a little under weight in his blue denim shirt (in my opinion). However, I'd accept him any way he wanted to look if he were here today! I did love Freddie's big toothy smiles - it just accentuated his dimples.

08-28-2002, 11:16 PM	#22
catcopy18 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 08, 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 413	That picture says it all Suzanne! Handsome any way you look at him!!!!!!

08-28-2002, 11:20 PM	#23
catcopy18 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 08, 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 413	Sorry Joy, I just looked back at that sexy picture and saw that YOU were the one who posted it. Thank you so much!!!! Suzanne posts so many terrific pics that I assumed she posted it. You know what they say when you "ass u me" something (LOL)

08-29-2002, 07:29 AM	#24
Cheryl Harrell I Love You Mike 4-Ever Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Location: Pixley!!!! Actually VA--USA LOL! Posts: 6,192	Ya'll are making me drool!

08-29-2002, 09:49 AM	#25
MariposaLKB She flies alone Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 06, 2001 Location: The great unknown Posts: 3,436	There were only a few times... ...when he looked truly dreadful. The first three episodes of the third season his face and arms looked sooo thin--in the shows introducing Della his weight loss was particularly obvious because he was wearing his shirt untucked. I bet they had him do that (and wear sweatshirt jackets most of the rest of the time that season) to hide it, but it only made his legs look more like toothpicks by comparison! Apart from that, I loooove how he looked with very long hair and a heavier mustache, plus the more prominent cheekbones!!! For that matter, in the few episodes when he had apparently just gotten his hair cut--like the one about Margaret's dress--he really took on that mature look that might have been an indication of how truly handsome (as opposed to boyishly cute) he would be today...
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08-29-2002, 02:53 PM	#26
Cheryl Harrell I Love You Mike 4-Ever Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Location: Pixley!!!! Actually VA--USA LOL! Posts: 6,192	I noticed he wore V neck t-shirts alot. Hid that beautiful body. I also noticed that on the show after his hair would get kinda longish & hip looking he would get it cut a few weeks later. It looked to me like he got it cut every several weeks or so. When it got pretty funky looking then it looked like back to the barbers LOL! In some episodes it looked to me like it was freshly cut. I noticed in the Padre episode, it looked freshly cut. In one last episode, I think it was the Padre episode it looekd downright short to me & it got me to wondering... Did he know he was gonna end it all & decided to get a fresh hair in anticipation of his funeral etc? Made me wonder poor baby. He had such nice hair...
	Last edited by Cheryl Harrell; 08-29-2002 at 02:59 PM.

08-29-2002, 02:58 PM	#27
hue_mee Remembering Freddie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 28, 2001 Location: Grateful for a voice from our angel's friend Posts: 2,266	I agree with his longer hair and and his facial features that gave him a more sexier look. This a long with his expression is one of my favorite Freddie pictures Attached Images
	Last edited by hue_mee; 08-29-2002 at 03:00 PM.

08-29-2002, 04:25 PM	#28
MariposaLKB She flies alone Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 06, 2001 Location: The great unknown Posts: 3,436	One of my favorites too! I looove that picture--so much so that it is the one I chose to represent my character Angel! Though it is not typical of how Freddie looked, it is terribly handsome. It also looks like he was starting to put on a little weight--the cheekbones are not so prominent. I agree re his hair--it was sooo shiny and soft-looking, usually perfectly groomed. But it is also true that toward the end it was beginning to look unkempt and dull--maybe because he was neglecting his appearance the more deeply he got into drugs? Or maybe the drugs themselves do that to a person's hair? That might be part of the reason that he seems to have gotten it cut quite often during that time--I can vouch for the fact that short hair is easier to take care of and can look neater, especially on a man. As for his wearing V-neck T-shirts alot, I hated that look too--maybe it was another tactic, like the jackets, to hide how thin he was? Of course he DID wear a T-shirt under his work shirt sometimes earlier in the series (or alone, as in the pilot), so maybe there were just times when the set was colder than at other times?
	Last edited by MariposaLKB; 08-29-2002 at 04:32 PM.

08-30-2002, 03:24 AM	#30
Cheryl Harrell I Love You Mike 4-Ever Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Location: Pixley!!!! Actually VA--USA LOL! Posts: 6,192	When he died I had no idea he was 22 & thought he was older like 25 or 26. He always looked older to me. After becoming a fan of his in 2001, that's when I found out he was only 22 when he died. I can't help but wonder what was behind his look that last season. He was sooo cute. No matter how his hair was or how he looked or how sick he was... He still looked HOT!!!!
	Last edited by Cheryl Harrell; 08-30-2002 at 04:04 AM.