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SOAPDYNASTY · 08-22-2002, 07:57 AM

I never like the Meathead.

PPatters · 08-22-2002, 04:36 PM

Mike was truly a meathead. An overly liberal 70s hippy that didn't even care enough about his family to stick with them. He cared about himself, himself, himself.

PPatters · 08-22-2002, 04:38 PM

Nevermind.

Robert Tilton · 08-24-2002, 09:23 AM

And the man would eat like a horse. It made you wonder how Archie and Edith kept the fridge full.

ricardo/mertz · 09-04-2002, 02:13 AM

Mike was supposed to be this liberal passivist.(sp?) I think he was anything but that. He always seemed so hostile.

PPatters · 09-04-2002, 06:10 AM

Here's another thing, if you're an adult living under someone's roof and you're not paying a dime for it, you are therefore a guest in the house of the person you are staying, and you always treat your host with kindness, no matter how much you disagree, and no matter if he's your father-in-law or not. It's called being kind, Meathead needed to learn that.

TV Guy · 09-07-2002, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Robert Tilton
And the man would eat like a horse. It made you wonder how Archie and Edith kept the fridge full.

Hey, Bob, don't forget that they actually had an episode where Gloria served horsemeat (without telling Archie what it was) to save money!

jon123 · 11-20-2002, 08:13 PM

The main reason I hate the "Gloria" sitcom is because of the way they had Mike and Gloria split up, with Mike running off to a commune with the homecoming queen. When Mike and Gloria left for California, Archie told him to take care of Gloria and Joey. Mike told Archie "those are two things you will never have to worry about". This touching moment was ruined by what Mike did three years later.

Rob Reiner never made another guest appearance on ABP (after he split up with Gloria) but if he had it would have been tainted by what his character did. What made the scenes between Archie and Mike so funny was how Archie was always wrong, and how Mike stuck by Gloria and Joey, and now this was no longer the case. Archie calling him "meathead" would no longer be funny because Mike really did turn into a meathead.

DarleneIllyria · 11-20-2002, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by jon123
The main reason I hate the "Gloria" sitcom is because of the way they had Mike and Gloria split up, with Mike running off to a commune with the homecoming queen. When Mike and Gloria left for California, Archie told him to take care of Gloria and Joey. Mike told Archie "those are two things you will never have to worry about". This touching moment was ruined by what Mike did three years later.

Rob Reiner never made another guest appearance on ABP (after he split up with Gloria) but if he had it would have been tainted by what his character did. What made the scenes between Archie and Mike so funny was how Archie was always wrong, and how Mike stuck by Gloria and Joey, and now this was no longer the case. Archie calling him "meathead" would no longer be funny because Mike really did turn into a meathead.

You do have a point. You just mentioned a very good point. If I imagine it in my mind correctly, I'm sure Gloria and Joey could still depend on Mike somewhat in the Gloria show. If had to had to come to and Gloria needed money or something, I'm sure she could've asked Mike. With Edith gone, and if Archie had died and Gloria had nobody else to turn to...I guess that she would have to go to Mike for help. After all, Mike had an obligation to Gloria and Joey. Joey is his son and Gloria is still the mother to Joey. He couldn't exactly turn them away.

Then again, the episode of Gloria that I have seen before it did made Gloria out to be her own person.

PPatters · 11-20-2002, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by jon123
The main reason I hate the "Gloria" sitcom is because of the way they had Mike and Gloria split up, with Mike running off to a commune with the homecoming queen. When Mike and Gloria left for California, Archie told him to take care of Gloria and Joey. Mike told Archie "those are two things you will never have to worry about". This touching moment was ruined by what Mike did three years later.

Rob Reiner never made another guest appearance on ABP (after he split up with Gloria) but if he had it would have been tainted by what his character did. What made the scenes between Archie and Mike so funny was how Archie was always wrong, and how Mike stuck by Gloria and Joey, and now this was no longer the case. Archie calling him "meathead" would no longer be funny because Mike really did turn into a meathead.

Mike did not turn into a meathead. He was ALWAYS a meathead. He was rude and arrogant and had no respect for his father-in-law. What he did was absolutely wrong, and he was a meathead in every sense of the word. Your arguement is flawed because you assume that he wasn't already a meathead, and, undoubtably, he WAS a meathead, from the first episode until the last, he was a meathead.

jon123 · 11-23-2002, 02:46 PM

B]You do have a point. You just mentioned a very good point. If I imagine it in my mind correctly, I'm sure Gloria and Joey could still depend on Mike somewhat in the Gloria show. If had to had to come to and Gloria needed money or something, I'm sure she could've asked Mike. With Edith gone, and if Archie had died and Gloria had nobody else to turn to...I guess that she would have to go to Mike for help. After all, Mike had an obligation to Gloria and Joey. Joey is his son and Gloria is still the mother to Joey. He couldn't exactly turn them away. [/B]

Then again, if Mike was living on a commune, he wouldn't be making much money-actually none at all, and since he went to commune to escape society he probably had already left all their assets with Gloria anyway. In the commune they would renounce all material possessions.

DarleneIllyria · 11-23-2002, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by jon123
B]

Then again, if Mike was living on a commune, he wouldn't be making much money-actually none at all, and since he went to commune to escape society he probably had already left all their assets with Gloria anyway. In the commune they would renounce all material possessions.

Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.

jon123 · 11-24-2002, 07:22 PM

Glad to clear that up. The point I'm trying to make is that the commune idea was rediculous. Why didn't they just have Gloria decided she needed to be on her own without turning Mike into a real meathead?

Dr. John Becker · 02-06-2004, 11:26 PM

bump

GeeBee · 02-07-2004, 11:39 AM

I tend to think of those very late Archie Bunker's Place episodes (which, according to the rules, we're not even supposed to be talking about here) as apocryphal. I don't think the writers originally had any intention of things ending as they did; they just kind of evolved that way. The series lasted too long and they got desperate for ideas or possible spin-offs. I've seen several episodes of Gloria and, for whatever reason, that show simply did not work and was hardly worth a divorce for Mike and Gloria.

I really did not care for how Mike's character seemed to evolve after he moved next door. He seemed less sure of himself, more silly, and did not remain as consistent to his principles.

On the other hand, I think Archie's character became much more tolerable as the show went on and his bigotry seemed less like hate, but just innocent stupidity.

Speaking of divorces, some may not know that an episode in the last season of The Jeffersons, had Lionel and Jenny in the process of divorcing. I think the Norman Lear writers had a cynical streak when it came to younger couples living happily ever after.

08-22-2002, 04:36 PM	#17
PPatters Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 27, 2001 Location: Rockford, MI, USA Posts: 404	Mike was truly a meathead. An overly liberal 70s hippy that didn't even care enough about his family to stick with them. He cared about himself, himself, himself.
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08-22-2002, 04:38 PM	#18
PPatters Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 27, 2001 Location: Rockford, MI, USA Posts: 404	Nevermind.
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08-24-2002, 09:23 AM	#19
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08-22-2002, 07:57 AM	#16
SOAPDYNASTY GIMME A BREAK Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 17, 2002 Location: RI Posts: 285	I never like the Meathead.

09-04-2002, 02:13 AM	#20
ricardo/mertz Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 22, 2002 Posts: 454	Mike was supposed to be this liberal passivist.(sp?) I think he was anything but that. He always seemed so hostile.

09-04-2002, 06:10 AM	#21
PPatters Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 27, 2001 Location: Rockford, MI, USA Posts: 404	Here's another thing, if you're an adult living under someone's roof and you're not paying a dime for it, you are therefore a guest in the house of the person you are staying, and you always treat your host with kindness, no matter how much you disagree, and no matter if he's your father-in-law or not. It's called being kind, Meathead needed to learn that.

11-20-2002, 08:13 PM	#23
jon123 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 04, 2002 Location: Temecula Valley, CA Posts: 395	The main reason I hate the "Gloria" sitcom is because of the way they had Mike and Gloria split up, with Mike running off to a commune with the homecoming queen. When Mike and Gloria left for California, Archie told him to take care of Gloria and Joey. Mike told Archie "those are two things you will never have to worry about". This touching moment was ruined by what Mike did three years later. Rob Reiner never made another guest appearance on ABP (after he split up with Gloria) but if he had it would have been tainted by what his character did. What made the scenes between Archie and Mike so funny was how Archie was always wrong, and how Mike stuck by Gloria and Joey, and now this was no longer the case. Archie calling him "meathead" would no longer be funny because Mike really did turn into a meathead.

11-23-2002, 02:46 PM	#26
jon123 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 04, 2002 Location: Temecula Valley, CA Posts: 395	B]You do have a point. You just mentioned a very good point. If I imagine it in my mind correctly, I'm sure Gloria and Joey could still depend on Mike somewhat in the Gloria show. If had to had to come to and Gloria needed money or something, I'm sure she could've asked Mike. With Edith gone, and if Archie had died and Gloria had nobody else to turn to...I guess that she would have to go to Mike for help. After all, Mike had an obligation to Gloria and Joey. Joey is his son and Gloria is still the mother to Joey. He couldn't exactly turn them away. [/B] Then again, if Mike was living on a commune, he wouldn't be making much money-actually none at all, and since he went to commune to escape society he probably had already left all their assets with Gloria anyway. In the commune they would renounce all material possessions.

11-24-2002, 07:22 PM	#28
jon123 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 04, 2002 Location: Temecula Valley, CA Posts: 395	Glad to clear that up. The point I'm trying to make is that the commune idea was rediculous. Why didn't they just have Gloria decided she needed to be on her own without turning Mike into a real meathead?

02-07-2004, 11:39 AM	#30
GeeBee Member Senior Member Join Date: Jun 22, 2003 Posts: 1,578	I tend to think of those very late Archie Bunker's Place episodes (which, according to the rules, we're not even supposed to be talking about here) as apocryphal. I don't think the writers originally had any intention of things ending as they did; they just kind of evolved that way. The series lasted too long and they got desperate for ideas or possible spin-offs. I've seen several episodes of Gloria and, for whatever reason, that show simply did not work and was hardly worth a divorce for Mike and Gloria. I really did not care for how Mike's character seemed to evolve after he moved next door. He seemed less sure of himself, more silly, and did not remain as consistent to his principles. On the other hand, I think Archie's character became much more tolerable as the show went on and his bigotry seemed less like hate, but just innocent stupidity. Speaking of divorces, some may not know that an episode in the last season of The Jeffersons, had Lionel and Jenny in the process of divorcing. I think the Norman Lear writers had a cynical streak when it came to younger couples living happily ever after.