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justins5256 · 12-02-2007, 08:18 PM

Did Gary know his killer? He told his mother that he had an "appointment" on the day of the murder but also told her that it was a secret and he couldn't say who he was meeting with.

Also, did Boo know more than he was telling? I seem to recall that he missed a question on the polygraph pertaining to if he had any knowledge of the killer's identity.

This is reaching, but I wonder if someone approached Gary and told him he was a friend of his Dad's and needed to talk to him about something (remember Cicilia Newball's surprise "baby shower" / viewing the video of her husband kissing another woman) and it went from there. Perhaps Gary told Boo about the meeting and inadvertently put his life in danger but Boo was too scared to talk.

DarkDante · 12-03-2007, 09:03 PM

I think Gary did know his killer and it was whomever he had the appointment with that day. It could've been an adult or a child, just depends on how trusting Gary Grant Junior was.

Just my take.

themaninblack · 04-07-2008, 12:46 AM

any updates on this one?

crystaldawn · 04-07-2008, 12:25 PM

I don't think so. It seemed that several months back dynoguy said he had some contact with Gary's father via the internet and he indicated the case was still unsolved.

CanadianUMFan · 08-17-2008, 03:14 AM

Having just watched this segment, one of the first things that struck me was that the mother allowed the 7 year-old to go off on his own for several hours in Atlantic City. I am not blaming the mother as this was 1984 and children seemed to have more freedom back in those days but that was one of the first things that I noticed upon watching this one. Times have changed as I suspect that any parent allowing their 7 year-old that much freedom today would be pilloried in the media if anything happened to that child.

Mastermind · 08-18-2008, 10:18 AM

The fact that Gary Grant Jr,. used the word "appointment" is intriguing.

I know of no child that would use that word for playtime or to meet his friends.

It sounds like Gary was told that this "meeting" would be an important one and that the person he was meeting referred to it as an appointment.

I kind of think that if it was a revenge killing, Gary Grant Sr would know who the person was that did it.

There would have to be a person he arrested that would stick out in his mind.

Not knowing Grant Sr. history, is there any chance he could of been involved with corruption?

What type of police officer was Gary Grant Jr? Was he just a patrol officer, or had he been in narcotice, vice or some other special unit at some point.

DJ_Foxx · 09-11-2008, 04:06 PM

This was one of the saddest cases I've seen on UM.

One of the thoughts I had was maybe gang retaliation. Maybe Gary Sr arrested a gang member and perhaps someone affiliated with that gang decided to get back at Gary through his son. My other guess would be maybe a pedophile. There definitely wasn't the technology back then that we have now to identify child predators. If there was one in the area and especially if they figured out that Gary's dad was a cop, that person could have gotten revenge on Gary, Jr.

I never believed Boo Mason killed Gary. I do think he knew more than what he was telling. I think he witnessed Gary's death and was threatened to keep his silence.

sdb4884 · 11-04-2008, 09:37 AM

Maybe by the word "appointment" Gary meant he was going to fight someone. Maybe it was Boo?

But the messages on the car and on the wall for me say without a shadow of a doubt that it was an adult who killed Gary, he knew the date of the killing and he wrote on a car which isn't something a kid could do.

Can't believe it is unsolved still

Drakken · 11-04-2008, 11:34 AM

It is also possible that the graffitis aren't directly linked to Gary Grant Jr's murder. We have no direct evidence that the graffitis was made by the same person or persons responsible for the murder. Sure it's chilling, but like in Rachel Runyan's case it could simply be someone who did these graffitis just for kinks or for a prank.

Also, the news murder of any child would circulate around quickly on the news, but the murder of a policeman's son would even more. So we cannot exclude that the graffiti on Gary Grant Sr's car wasn't made by pranksters or gangs either.

According to the second graffiti another person was supposed to be attacked and /or murdered around the anniversary of the murder. Yet nothing has surfaced. If the suspect has really scribbled that warning something would have had happened on that date. The fact that nothing has suggests that it was a prank or that the guy died/was arrested/moved away.

ms_bates · 04-15-2009, 06:55 PM

Bumping this because I watched the segment this afternoon.

I tend to agree that there is more to the "appointment" that little Gary mentioned. Maybe an adult promised him something if he would meet him at a certain place and time. Think of how Laura Burbank's killer conned her into meeting with him under the premise that she was going to help him train some monkeys. Maybe Gary Jr felt all grown-up having an "appointment" to keep, and this was an advantage for the killer. Though it does seem like scheduling to meet the victim ahead of time would have carried some risk. Imagine if Gary's mom had pushed for more information and found out some adult was trying to meet with her son that day. She and/or Gary Sr and his fellow cops could have gone to confront this person, and there would be a lot of explaining to do.

As for the graffiti, yeah, it could have been written by the killer(s), or maybe just by someone with a grudge against cops. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Incredibly sad story indeed.

Mastermind · 04-16-2009, 11:20 AM

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Bumping this because I watched the segment this afternoon.

I tend to agree that there is more to the "appointment" that little Gary mentioned. Maybe an adult promised him something if he would meet him at a certain place and time. Think of how Laura Burbank's killer conned her into meeting with him under the premise that she was going to help him train some monkeys. Maybe Gary Jr felt all grown-up having an "appointment" to keep, and this was an advantage for the killer. Though it does seem like scheduling to meet the victim ahead of time would have carried some risk. Imagine if Gary's mom had pushed for more information and found out some adult was trying to meet with her son that day. She and/or Gary Sr and his fellow cops could have gone to confront this person, and there would be a lot of explaining to do.

As for the graffiti, yeah, it could have been written by the killer(s), or maybe just by someone with a grudge against cops. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Incredibly sad story indeed.

That's the thing. If this killer knew Gary before hand and became his friend. I have to think that he eventually figured that Gary;s father was a cop. Or 's Gary Jr. even told the guy. That's one hell of a risk to try to kill a cop's kid.

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As for the graffiti, yeah, it could have been written by the killer(s), or maybe just by someone with a grudge against cops. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

How many people would no the exact date of Gary's death, though. If it was written it was done by someone who planned to do it to the car. It wasn;t a spur of the moment thing.

It's not impossible that the writer of that message just knew of the events of Gary Grant Jr's murder and was not the actual killer. Like a member of street gang or had heard word through the street that gang members killed a police officers son.

jrzygrl187 · 06-20-2009, 01:41 AM

Hi everyone I knew Gary Grant Sr. and Jr. My Mother grew up with Gary Sr. all her life. Gary Grant Jr. was a good kid. I was born and raised in Atlantic City all my life and know about this case pretty well. Some of us believe that the graffiti on the car was done by an adult family or friend of the person who did the killing, to throw the Police off, to make them think it was revenge from his Dad's Police arrest. Because they were following up on a few things and wanted to throw the Police off and they did. After that the never got back on track. I know Boo Mason and believe he and another man did this. Back in those days in Atlantic City you kept your mouth shut. It was for safety & Honor. Boo knew to keep his mouth shut. Today if they would take a lie detector test on Boo, they would see he knew something about it first hand. Gary Sr. no longer lives anywhere near Atlantic City and if anyone believes he didn't have a few people pissed at him, they are dreaming. All cops have a few people pissed at them. He worked the City Beat and Patrolled in his A.C.P.D. car. He was always working the streets. I guess we will never know the whole truth about this story. But we all form our own beliefs about it. I am only going on the things I know from growing up around this first hand.

R.I.P. Gary Grant Jr.

Mastermind · 06-21-2009, 05:21 PM

Two other theories has come to mind regarding this case.

1. What if this is another Norman Ladner/Scott Johnson/Boys on the Tracks scenario?

Where Gary had discovered some illegal activity and was killed for witnessing it?

Imagine that Gary jr, being the son of a cop, wanted to play cop. (perhaps along with his friend Boo). Perhaps he saw something a couple of weeks back and decided he would observe it and later tell his Dad about it. Perhaps older kids dealing drugs. Perhaps this was what his big "appointment" was? Gary may have been caught by these people and was killed to quiet him. These people may have not even known that he was a Cop's son.

2. What if Gary was simply beaten and killed by bullies? As the detectives said the injuries were not beyond Boo Mason's capabilities. I can;t imagine they would be difficult a pre-teen. It may simply be one tough older kid who perhaps got bothered by Gary and Boo. Perhaps Gary defended Boo, and was hurt because of it.

garygrant · 07-06-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane

I'm not sure the airdate, but I am positive that the segment in question aired sometime during the 1993-94 season.

At the end of the segment, Robert Stack mentioned Gary Grant, Jr. would have been 17 at the time if he had lived. As you'll recall, Gary Grant, Jr. was murdered in January of 1984. He was only seven years old.

There is an update to the story on my Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/gary.l.grantdaley

Thank you very much for your concern,
Gary L. Grant Sr.

Apostapler · 07-06-2009, 07:34 AM

Thank you, Mr. Grant! I have sent a request to be added as your friend on facebook...I am looking forward to more news about your son's murder.

12-02-2007, 08:18 PM	#16
justins5256 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 3,866	Gary Grant Jr. murder - some disturbing questions Did Gary know his killer? He told his mother that he had an "appointment" on the day of the murder but also told her that it was a secret and he couldn't say who he was meeting with. Also, did Boo know more than he was telling? I seem to recall that he missed a question on the polygraph pertaining to if he had any knowledge of the killer's identity. This is reaching, but I wonder if someone approached Gary and told him he was a friend of his Dad's and needed to talk to him about something (remember Cicilia Newball's surprise "baby shower" / viewing the video of her husband kissing another woman) and it went from there. Perhaps Gary told Boo about the meeting and inadvertently put his life in danger but Boo was too scared to talk.

04-07-2008, 12:46 AM	#18
themaninblack Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 08, 2005 Posts: 572	gary grant jr. any updates on this one?

04-15-2009, 06:55 PM	#25
ms_bates Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 14, 2008 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 134	Bumping this because I watched the segment this afternoon. I tend to agree that there is more to the "appointment" that little Gary mentioned. Maybe an adult promised him something if he would meet him at a certain place and time. Think of how Laura Burbank's killer conned her into meeting with him under the premise that she was going to help him train some monkeys. Maybe Gary Jr felt all grown-up having an "appointment" to keep, and this was an advantage for the killer. Though it does seem like scheduling to meet the victim ahead of time would have carried some risk. Imagine if Gary's mom had pushed for more information and found out some adult was trying to meet with her son that day. She and/or Gary Sr and his fellow cops could have gone to confront this person, and there would be a lot of explaining to do. As for the graffiti, yeah, it could have been written by the killer(s), or maybe just by someone with a grudge against cops. I don't think we'll ever know for sure. Incredibly sad story indeed.
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06-20-2009, 01:41 AM	#27
jrzygrl187 Member First Time Poster Join Date: Jun 20, 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1	Gary Grant Jr. Hi everyone I knew Gary Grant Sr. and Jr. My Mother grew up with Gary Sr. all her life. Gary Grant Jr. was a good kid. I was born and raised in Atlantic City all my life and know about this case pretty well. Some of us believe that the graffiti on the car was done by an adult family or friend of the person who did the killing, to throw the Police off, to make them think it was revenge from his Dad's Police arrest. Because they were following up on a few things and wanted to throw the Police off and they did. After that the never got back on track. I know Boo Mason and believe he and another man did this. Back in those days in Atlantic City you kept your mouth shut. It was for safety & Honor. Boo knew to keep his mouth shut. Today if they would take a lie detector test on Boo, they would see he knew something about it first hand. Gary Sr. no longer lives anywhere near Atlantic City and if anyone believes he didn't have a few people pissed at him, they are dreaming. All cops have a few people pissed at them. He worked the City Beat and Patrolled in his A.C.P.D. car. He was always working the streets. I guess we will never know the whole truth about this story. But we all form our own beliefs about it. I am only going on the things I know from growing up around this first hand. R.I.P. Gary Grant Jr.

12-03-2007, 09:03 PM	#17
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	I think Gary did know his killer and it was whomever he had the appointment with that day. It could've been an adult or a child, just depends on how trusting Gary Grant Junior was. Just my take.

04-07-2008, 12:25 PM	#19
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	I don't think so. It seemed that several months back dynoguy said he had some contact with Gary's father via the internet and he indicated the case was still unsolved.

08-17-2008, 03:14 AM	#20
CanadianUMFan Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 21, 2007 Location: St Catharines, Ontario, Canada Posts: 215	Having just watched this segment, one of the first things that struck me was that the mother allowed the 7 year-old to go off on his own for several hours in Atlantic City. I am not blaming the mother as this was 1984 and children seemed to have more freedom back in those days but that was one of the first things that I noticed upon watching this one. Times have changed as I suspect that any parent allowing their 7 year-old that much freedom today would be pilloried in the media if anything happened to that child.

08-18-2008, 10:18 AM	#21
Mastermind Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2008 Posts: 1,843	The fact that Gary Grant Jr,. used the word "appointment" is intriguing. I know of no child that would use that word for playtime or to meet his friends. It sounds like Gary was told that this "meeting" would be an important one and that the person he was meeting referred to it as an appointment. I kind of think that if it was a revenge killing, Gary Grant Sr would know who the person was that did it. There would have to be a person he arrested that would stick out in his mind. Not knowing Grant Sr. history, is there any chance he could of been involved with corruption? What type of police officer was Gary Grant Jr? Was he just a patrol officer, or had he been in narcotice, vice or some other special unit at some point.

09-11-2008, 04:06 PM	#22
DJ_Foxx Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 08, 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 89	This was one of the saddest cases I've seen on UM. One of the thoughts I had was maybe gang retaliation. Maybe Gary Sr arrested a gang member and perhaps someone affiliated with that gang decided to get back at Gary through his son. My other guess would be maybe a pedophile. There definitely wasn't the technology back then that we have now to identify child predators. If there was one in the area and especially if they figured out that Gary's dad was a cop, that person could have gotten revenge on Gary, Jr. I never believed Boo Mason killed Gary. I do think he knew more than what he was telling. I think he witnessed Gary's death and was threatened to keep his silence.

11-04-2008, 09:37 AM	#23
sdb4884 UM Meme Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 01, 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 1,234	Maybe by the word "appointment" Gary meant he was going to fight someone. Maybe it was Boo? But the messages on the car and on the wall for me say without a shadow of a doubt that it was an adult who killed Gary, he knew the date of the killing and he wrote on a car which isn't something a kid could do. Can't believe it is unsolved still

11-04-2008, 11:34 AM	#24
Drakken Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 21, 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 364	It is also possible that the graffitis aren't directly linked to Gary Grant Jr's murder. We have no direct evidence that the graffitis was made by the same person or persons responsible for the murder. Sure it's chilling, but like in Rachel Runyan's case it could simply be someone who did these graffitis just for kinks or for a prank. Also, the news murder of any child would circulate around quickly on the news, but the murder of a policeman's son would even more. So we cannot exclude that the graffiti on Gary Grant Sr's car wasn't made by pranksters or gangs either. According to the second graffiti another person was supposed to be attacked and /or murdered around the anniversary of the murder. Yet nothing has surfaced. If the suspect has really scribbled that warning something would have had happened on that date. The fact that nothing has suggests that it was a prank or that the guy died/was arrested/moved away.

06-21-2009, 05:21 PM	#28
Mastermind Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2008 Posts: 1,843	Two other theories has come to mind regarding this case. 1. What if this is another Norman Ladner/Scott Johnson/Boys on the Tracks scenario? Where Gary had discovered some illegal activity and was killed for witnessing it? Imagine that Gary jr, being the son of a cop, wanted to play cop. (perhaps along with his friend Boo). Perhaps he saw something a couple of weeks back and decided he would observe it and later tell his Dad about it. Perhaps older kids dealing drugs. Perhaps this was what his big "appointment" was? Gary may have been caught by these people and was killed to quiet him. These people may have not even known that he was a Cop's son. 2. What if Gary was simply beaten and killed by bullies? As the detectives said the injuries were not beyond Boo Mason's capabilities. I can;t imagine they would be difficult a pre-teen. It may simply be one tough older kid who perhaps got bothered by Gary and Boo. Perhaps Gary defended Boo, and was hurt because of it.

07-06-2009, 07:34 AM	#30
Apostapler Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 06, 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 872	Thank you, Mr. Grant! I have sent a request to be added as your friend on facebook...I am looking forward to more news about your son's murder.