In trading lingo, what does "uncut" mean?

[danderson400]

also a NFL telecast would last 2 to 2.5 hours with the commercials cut

[RetroTVNitekatt]

I'm an old school 1980's VHS/BETA video guy, and thought I'd chime in.

Back in the day, Uncut was what it is "Uncut as originally aired", anything beyond that had qualifiers - "Uncut with original network commercials"/"Uncut with original rerun network commercials"

Simple as that!

Keep in mind by the late 1980's, most classic tv shows shows were edited down to 45 minutes for an hour (from 47-51 minutes) and 22:30 minutes for a half hour -these were the length new shows were being shot at.

However, there were still local stations running older prints into the early 1990's so uncut shows did turn up that late collecting wise off-air and not just film transferred from old syndication prints.

With shows being time compressed and not cut, today you'd add the qualifier, "Uncut - Time Compressed"

[justins5256]

I would guess it means that the show is an original airing, as opposed to a syndicated airing which may be edited for time as others have pointed out.

It might also mean that the episode has the commercials intact. However, they'll usually designate that as WOC which means "with original commercials."

[MRPITT]

Originally Posted by camaroman942002

Yea asking them if they have commercials would be your best bet, although most traders on here indicate if they do have commercials.

Be careful with that too, there are several people trading who dont seem to know. I made a trade on another site for an episode of Happy Days. The trader told me it had original commercials. I assumed he meant from 1978. When I got it, it was from Syndication in 2005.

So just because someone says original commercials it doesnt mean much there are a lot of new traders who are clueless.

[RetroTVNitekatt]

Originally Posted by MRPITT

...there are a lot of new traders who are clueless.

Which is why do few trades - so few good traders - quality and content.

[wiseguy182]

Originally Posted by RetroTVNitekatt

Which is why do few trades - so few good traders - quality and content.

I find your weird obsession with quality to be mildly disturbing. Knock it off. There are a lot of things that make a good trader: How pleasant they were to interact with, that they were timely enough in shipping, didn't overstuff envelopes and took care in the packaging, and on and on. Basing your entire impression on a trader in terms of quality of content, which is probably out of their control most of the time since trading involves acquiring something from other people, is stupid and silly.

[RetroTVNitekatt]

Originally Posted by wiseguy182

I find your weird obsession with quality to be mildly disturbing. Knock it off. There are a lot of things that make a good trader: How pleasant they were to interact with, that they were timely enough in shipping, didn't overstuff envelopes and took care in the packaging, and on and on. Basing your entire impression on a trader in terms of quality of content, which is probably out of their control most of the time since trading involves acquiring something from other people, is stupid and silly.

"wiseguy182" , How I wish to trade It is neither stupid and silly not a "weird obsession", and I find your comment insulting to me and my preference. You have NO RIGHT to insult me or tell me to "Knock it off" and I think you owe me an aplogy. If I prefer to find traders who have similar quality material as I wish to trade (within reasonable generation), that is my choice. I've been trading since 1987, so I base my preferences of a long history of trading before this, decades of trades.

Why do you seem to have problem to my personal preference and why do you find it necessary to criticize me for my preferences in what I am looking for and who I might trade with? How about a little respect for an "old school" trader with particular preferences. How in the world can my preferences, no different than other people who prefer trades a certain way be "mildly disturbing"? That's seems a little silly to me,

I HAVE NEVER SAID in any of my recent post I based the Quality of the person trading or how they handle the mechanics of a trade on just the quality of what they have! So don't start implying things I DID NOT SAY!

I know there are good traders out there regardless of quality of what they trade - people who are friendly to trade with-ship right away-well packing - but you are mixing apples with oranges. It's a given that most people are good at this, but if they don't have what I am looking to trade for in a particular quality, it doesn't matter - as with any people who just can't get a trade going as they don't have what the other is looking for. (That reference to my above post "quality and content" referred just to the material itself, not the mechanics and persons of trading - so you're taking it out of context)

There are different types of traders who prefer things a particular way, and I prefer to find those like myself who have material in similar quality and content as I am trading in return. I doesn't matter how long they have been trading - old school or new, if they have what I'n looking for in a particular quality-format and I can trade them the same.

Let me give you an example. Back in the day I had a friend who I traded with for over a decade, (sadly no longer with us) who only would trade film transferred material (he'd take up to a clean 3rd generation copy, perhaps slightly lower on say a show the original commercials to have a copy) on high-grade tape - Not TV recordings, not standard grade. Did that that make him have a "weird obsession" because he wouldn't trade with just anyone for anything, and had a preference in what and how he wanted stuff. (and he's trade the same in return which was great!)

Trading is a privilege, not a given - I'm open to trading with anyone, but I have standards, just as I would expect the person I'm trading with to expect from what they get from me and it's my choice - it's the same with any type of trade, isn't it.

I don't know why you find it necessary to Attack me for my personal preferences on how,who and what I would trade with and for? What the heck did I ever do to you or the hobby of trading, which I've been doing for a lot longer than most people here - since 1987 which gives me alot of experience in good and bad trades of all types.

If someone wants to have a civil discussion about trading and people preferring to trade a certain way, fine - but let's leave personal attacks off the table.

[wiseguy182]

Originally Posted by RetroTVNitekatt

"wiseguy182" , How I wish to trade It is neither stupid and silly not a "weird obsession", and I find your comment insulting to me and my preference. You have NO RIGHT to insult me or tell me to "Knock it off" and I think you owe me an aplogy. If I prefer to find traders who have similar quality material as I wish to trade (within reasonable generation), that is my choice. I've been trading since 1987, so I base my preferences of a long history of trading before this, decades of trades.

Why do you seem to have problem to my personal preference and why do you find it necessary to criticize me for my preferences in what I am looking for and who I might trade with? How about a little respect for an "old school" trader with particular preferences. Who made you the protector and defending of the trading hobby?

I HAVE NEVER SAID in any of my recent post I based the Quality of the person trading or how they handle the mechanics of a trade on just the quality of what they have! So don't start implying things I DID NOT SAY!

I know there are good traders out there regardless of quality of what they trade - people who are friendly to trade with-ship right away-well packing - but you are mixing apples with oranges. It's a given that most people are good at this, but if they don't have what I am looking to trade for in a particular quality, it doesn't matter - as with any people who just can't get a trade going as they don't have what the other is looking for.

There are different types of traders who prefer things a particular way, and I prefer to find those like myself who have material in similar quality and content as I am trading in return. I doesn't matter how long they have been trading - old school or new, if they have what I'n looking for in a particular quality-format and I can trade them the same.

Let me give you an example. Back in the day I had a friend who I traded with for over a decade, (sadly no longer with us) who only would trade film transferred material (he'd take up to a clean 3rd generation copy, perhaps slightly lower on say a show the original commercials to have a copy) on high-grade tape - Not TV recordings, not standard grade. Did that that make him have a "weird obsession" because he wouldn't trade with just anyone for anything, and had a preference in what and how he wanted stuff. (and he's trade the same in return which was great!)

Trading is a privilege, not a given - I'm open to trading with anyone, but I have standards, just as I would expect the person I'm trading with to expect from what they get from me and it's my choice - it's the same with any type of trade, isn't it.

I don't know why you find it necessary to Attack me for my personal preferences on how,who and what I would trade with and for? What the heck did I ever do to you or the hobby of trading, which I've been doing for a lot longer than most people here - since 1987 which gives me alot of experience in good and bad trades of all types.

If someone wants to have a civil discussion about trading and people preferring to trade a certain way, fine - but let's leave personal attacks off the table.

Well I don't think all of the underlining, bold and capital letters were necessary.

Issuing a comment of "there are so few good traders" is an insult to most of this trading community. There are a lot of good traders on here, and there are a lot of good traders on other forums. And I have dealt with a lot of them.

If you care to take a look at the trading feedback section, I have a frack ton of positive feedback. I don't see any for you. Big deal you are an "old school trader", care to guess which of the two of us is the bigger deal around here?

Considering you are not a veteran trader here, you don't have a right to insult this community by speculating on people you haven't conducted business with.

Enjoy your singular trade with Jmas, if that even goes through.

[RetroTVNitekatt]

Originally Posted by wiseguy182

Well I don't think all of the underlining, bold and capital letters were necessary.

Issuing a comment of "there are so few good traders" is an insult to most of this trading community. There are a lot of good traders on here, and there are a lot of good traders on other forums. And I have dealt with a lot of them.

If you care to take a look at the trading feedback section, I have a frack ton of positive feedback. I don't see any for you. Big deal you are an "old school trader", care to guess which of the two of us is the bigger deal around here?

Considering you are not a veteran trader here, you don't have a right to insult this community by speculating on people you haven't conducted business with.

Enjoy your singular trade with Jmas, if that even goes through.

I did not know that some of my comments regarding my option of trading in general would be the wrong way, I am the first person to apologize.

It was not meant or intended as an insult on THIS community, it was meant as an option based on my personal experience. I am sorry it has come across the wrong way as well if you took those comments personally, Wiseguy. (Which I can see as one of the big, good traders here you would.) I guess I should have been clearer, more thought out and explaining where my views come from than just posting general statements.

I unfortunately had a string of bad trades and almost trades over a decade ago in the news groups and other places (Which is why I got out of it) and that formed my option that there are "few good traders" around the internet.

Yes, I know there is a high concentration of VERY GOOD traders here (and yes, I know YOU are one of the good ones, Wiseguy - I do follow the trading boards regularly. Why do you think I'm considering getting back into trading starting here? ) But you look at the big picture, there are alot of bad traders "Out There".

While I may not be happy with some of your comments and feelings regarding the way I prefer to trade, I do respect you Wiseguy for defending this community on this subject.

I'm sorry if I got off on the wrong foot here. I'm not a bad guy, just one who didn't come across as well as he should have with his option. I still would like to get a little active in the trading community here.

I hope this clears things up on my side of things regarding this subject.

[robyrob]

lets just please keep it civil here - it is very easy to mistake someone's tone in a post and misread or infer insults and antagonism where none was intended.

I wouldn't say that there are "few good traders out there", but there are definitely a lot of bad ones and scammers that ruin it for everyone else. Being careful and following some basic rules can limit your losses and problems with most trades. Being communicative and clear about what you expect in terms of quality, time and what specifics - and understanding same from your trading partners is also critical to making successful trades.

[TVFactFan]

Trading hasn't died yet?

[RetroTVNitekatt]

Originally Posted by TVFactFan

Trading hasn't died yet?

Nope, it may not be what it was, but it's still there.

Not everything is out officially,on the torrents,YouTube or daily motion.

There will always be some sort of trading, as there has been since 1975.
(I have friends who traded Betamax tapes back then - and it was a much more expensive hobby!)

[danderson400]

I once did a comparison between my Columbia House tapes of St. Elsewhere, and some of my tapes of SE when it aired on my NBC station in weekday mornings in 1988-89 and on the CH tapes i had, episodes ran about 48-49 minutes unlike the reruns i had taped which were shorter. Same thing with China Beach which were taped off my ABC station and later on on Lifetime. The ABC versions ran longer than the ones on Lifetime, and clocked at 48-49 minutes too. some of the CB episodes i taped were off the prefeed i could get on satellite at that time too.
With On Scene: Emergency Response, i didn't do a comparison between the episodes i taped off the original broadcast on my NBC affiliate(or the prefeeds i could get on my dish) and the reruns on CBS Eye On People, since they both clocked at the same length expect for the "next week" promos on the original broadcast(the same thing can apply to St. Elsewhere and China Beach too) In fact i junked my SE tapes i had taped off my NBC affiliate when i got the Columbia House versions on VHS.
Some of my American Gladiators tapes had Joe Theismann mentioning during the first half season that AG was brought to you by Nintendo, compete with a full screen animation for Nintendo. Those were edited out on USA Network i think.

[Videoranger007]

Originally Posted by wiseguy182

I find your weird obsession with quality to be mildly disturbing. Knock it off. There are a lot of things that make a good trader: How pleasant they were to interact with, that they were timely enough in shipping, didn't overstuff envelopes and took care in the packaging, and on and on. Basing your entire impression on a trader in terms of quality of content, which is probably out of their control most of the time since trading involves acquiring something from other people, is stupid and silly.

I dont think its weird at all. Say for instance you make a trade and recieve a series thats let say, pixelated ripped from youtube garbage when that same series exists on a dvd set that may have only been released in australia- i would want the dvd quality episodes, not crap i could pull off youtube myself. It is extremely infuriating when traders do this and dont clarify their resource.

[danderson400]

Originally Posted by RetroTVNitekatt

I'm an old school 1980's VHS/BETA video guy, and thought I'd chime in.

Back in the day, Uncut was what it is "Uncut as originally aired", anything beyond that had qualifiers - "Uncut with original network commercials"/"Uncut with original rerun network commercials"

Simple as that!

Keep in mind by the late 1980's, most classic tv shows shows were edited down to 45 minutes for an hour (from 47-51 minutes) and 22:30 minutes for a half hour -these were the length new shows were being shot at.

However, there were still local stations running older prints into the early 1990's so uncut shows did turn up that late collecting wise off-air and not just film transferred from old syndication prints.

With shows being time compressed and not cut, today you'd add the qualifier, "Uncut - Time Compressed"

While not a sitcom, and not tape trading, I've been downloading episodes of American Gladiators off the official AG channel on YouTube. But i have one episode from the second season, with that season's runner up, Maria Nichting that is a original broadcast copy. Not just the original commercials (mostly for Nintendo) but it also has the "next week" preview that you never see with reruns, as well the fee plugs.

Might also mention here, AG was being shot for 44-45 minutes (which was the length new shows were being shot at.) whereas China Beach was shot at the network length (47-51 minutes). That's one example of the difference between a syndie show and a network show in terms of length.