What was it about Daphne that made Niles fall in love with her?

[andress_jade]

I loved everything about The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon. The N/D fans would have been picketing the studio if Niles and Daphne hadn't ended up together.
We voted for them to get together anyway, no matter if some people say the show jumped the shark. I disagree. I think the show gained something.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by andress_jade

I loved everything about The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon. The N/D fans would have been picketing the studio if Niles and Daphne hadn't ended up together.
We voted for them to get together anyway, no matter if some people say the show jumped the shark. I disagree. I think the show gained something.

I was thinking the show jumped the shark slightly. I think this off and on - disagree and then agree and then... But if an awesome show jumped the shark, it should be able to survive the jump. I mean, season 8 was not the last season. I think Andress-Jade said it best. "I think the show gained something." Absolutely! Loved the N&D romance. The chase was over, but relationship was fresh season after season. Like Kesley said in an interview around season nine: that he thought the ending would take place around season 11.

[andress_jade]

Originally Posted by Pat

I was thinking the show jumped the shark slightly. I think this off and on - disagree and then agree and then... But if an awesome show jumped the shark, it should be able to survive the jump. I mean, season 8 was not the last season. I think Andress-Jade said it best. "I think the show gained something." Absolutely! Loved the N&D romance. The chase was over, but relationship was fresh season after season. Like Kesley said in an interview around season nine: that he thought the ending would take place around season 11.

And what a lovely way to end the series with Daphne giving birth to she and Niles son. It was the sweetest thing to see when Daphne was holding the baby in her arms after he was born.
Daphne:"Isn't he perfect, dad?"
Niles (with tears in his eyes):"He sure is, mom. He's got your eyes and my chin."
Daphne:"He's got my hair."
Niles:"You think so?"
Daphne:"No he's got my hair. Let go dear."
So sweet and cute. I can only imagine what little David is like today. I imagine he is a mix of both Niles and Daphne. He's got those Moon genes in there but some Crane genes too.
His birth really made their relationship come full circle.

[Schmoopie]

They are the perfect couple and I saw that the very first time I watched Frasier, which is interesting because they weren't even a couple at that point. I'm glad they were still enjoyable to watch after they got together because a lot of couples on TV aren't. The magic just seems to go out of their relationship. It's a shame, really. All that waiting and praying for a couple to get together just to have it fizzle. I've seen so many times where a couple will finally get together and it will be endless fighting when they do get together. That's why I love Frasier so much.

There can only be one explanation for why I've written over 30 fan fics... all Frasier ones... There's just so many ways to write this couple. They're completely adorable! BTW Kristen has written some amazing N/D stories and of course Andress, I always love reading yours!

[Kristen]

Originally Posted by andress_jade

And what a lovely way to end the series with Daphne giving birth to she and Niles son. It was the sweetest thing to see when Daphne was holding the baby in her arms after he was born.
Daphne:"Isn't he perfect, dad?"
Niles (with tears in his eyes):"He sure is, mom. He's got your eyes and my chin."
Daphne:"He's got my hair."
Niles:"You think so?"
Daphne:"No he's got my hair. Let go dear."
So sweet and cute. I can only imagine what little David is like today. I imagine he is a mix of both Niles and Daphne. He's got those Moon genes in there but some Crane genes too.
His birth really made their relationship come full circle.

As both Leigh Ann and Andrea (Schmoopie) can attest, I LOVE the "He's got my hair" line from "Goodnight, Seattle." Even though it was recycled from Cheers (the episode where Freddy was born, in fact), it still makes me melt every time!

And I just have to say (even though I've said it a hundred times) that I LOVE every one of your N/D stories, Andrea!

- Kristen

[andress_jade]

Originally Posted by Kristen

As both Leigh Ann and Andrea (Schmoopie) can attest, I LOVE the "He's got my hair" line from "Goodnight, Seattle." Even though it was recycled from Cheers (the episode where Freddy was born, in fact), it still makes me melt every time!

- Kristen

That episode is on right now as a matter of fact, it's called The Stork Brings a Crane. Freddie grabs Sam's nose and David grabbed Daphne's hair. I still think David's birth was sweeter and more melt worthy! At least Niles was present for the birth of his son, whereas Frasier wasn't.
I think it's funny that Frederick was late because we all know that David was late as well. I guess the Crane boys don't like to be born on time. They want to stay inside just a bit longer than they should. LOL.

[Schmoopie]

Originally Posted by andress_jade

I think it's funny that Frederick was late because we all know that David was late as well. I guess the Crane boys don't like to be born on time. They want to stay inside just a bit longer than they should. LOL.

Well Frasier and Niles are stubborn that's for sure! But thankfully the fact that Niles is so adorable makes up for it!

[andress_jade]

Originally Posted by Schmoopie

Well Frasier and Niles are stubborn that's for sure! But thankfully the fact that Niles is so adorable makes up for it!

Do you think that is where David and Freddie got it from?

[Schmoopie]

Originally Posted by andress_jade

Do you think that is where David and Freddie got it from?

Oh definitely, but then again, David has a bit of Moon in him as well!

[andress_jade]

Originally Posted by Schmoopie

Oh definitely, but then again, David has a bit of Moon in him as well!

Yes he does! But it does make me think of what Daphne said at the vets office before she went into labor.

Daphne:"What if he's like you and Frasier?"
Niles:"Excuse me?"
Daphne:"A Moon boy I know how to handle, but what if he's a little genius? Teasing me in French by the time he's six?"
Niles:"It's so funny, I've been worried he's going to turn out like one of your brothers, I was sure when he kicked that speaker off your belly that you had a little Simon in there."
Daphne:"They are a handful, my brothers. I can just imagine the hell they're raising back there."
Niles:"With an open bar?"
Daphne's water breaks.

Too funny!

[bingbangbaby]

Originally Posted by Yooch

I don't know, that's why love's such a mystery. When it clicks it clicks, you don't know why. For Niles, Daphne was one of those special ones, which is unexplainable. Call it the right chemistry, or whatever you want to call it. And when the feeling's reciprocal, as in Daphne and Niles's case, it's the greatest thing in the world.

This is a really nice post. So true.

This is just my opinion, but I think for Niles it was simply intense attraction at first, as Frasier said in "Daphne Returns." He thought she was beautiful on the outside and was completely interested in finding out how beautiful she was on the inside too... and so he hung on her every word, every action. In "My Coffee with Niles" when Frasier asked if he was in love with Daphne, he said he didn't know, maybe. That was a year after they first met, and I think by then he liked everything about her, inside and out, and was on a speeding train toward completely falling in love with her. Things only intensified over the next couple of years, and while it was pretty obvious to us that Niles had fallen in love with Daphne, he hadn't really admitted it out loud yet, nor did anyone else. Even as far as the middle of season 3 no one was saying it out loud. Maybe because Maris was still in the picture? In season 3's Moondance, Martin confronts Niles but all he says is "I see the way you look at her..." like it's still not quite the common knowledge (between the three men) that it is two years later in "First Date" when Niles finally says out loud "I can't go on like this! Do you know how frustrating it is to be completely in love with someone and not be able to tell her?" And of course, the very first time he admits it out loud, he thinks Daphne might have overheard.

So, while I hesitate to say "love at first sight," even though it's really romantic... and it was definitely something at first sight... I think Yooch is closer to right... it started as a click or a chemistry or an attraction or something intrinsic on sight on Niles's part, which led to him taking an interest in her and finding out over some time that he loved everything about her. He said in "Decoys" that he thinks they belong together, and I think that was something he felt pretty early on, even before he could translate it into love. As for how it got to love, there's a scene in "Adventures in Paradise" that he says she makes him feel alive, and he's said on more than one occasion (beginning with My Coffee with Niles) that she stirs a passion in him that is not at all like the "comfortable" relationship he had with Maris. As time went on, he was probably feeling deeper things that were difficult to put into words, things that touch a person in their soul, things that he didn't tell even Frasier, and it became increasingly clear to him that she was the love of his life.

The thing that I never understood is why Frasier and Martin were always such nay-sayers about the whole prospect of Niles persuing a relationship with Daphne. I understood when he was still married to Maris of course, but even after it was completely over with Maris they still (Frasier in particular) consistently discouraged him from telling Daphne how he felt or getting close to her at all. Even right up to just before Something Borrowed Someone Blue, Frasier was telling Niles that if Daphne showed concern, it was because he burned his hand and if she jumped it was because Martin startled her. It's like for all those years, Niles was trying so hard but Frasier and sometimes Martin made sure he was always paddling against the current. I get that they may not have fully understood the depth of what Niles was feeling for Daphne, but even so, what was the harm in a simple date?

[andress_jade]

Originally Posted by bingbangbaby

This is a really nice post. So true.

This is just my opinion, but I think for Niles it was simply intense attraction at first, as Frasier said in "Daphne Returns." He thought she was beautiful on the outside and was completely interested in finding out how beautiful she was on the inside too... and so he hung on her every word, every action. In "My Coffee with Niles" when Frasier asked if he was in love with Daphne, he said he didn't know, maybe. That was a year after they first met, and I think by then he liked everything about her, inside and out, and was on a speeding train toward completely falling in love with her. Things only intensified over the next couple of years, and while it was pretty obvious to us that Niles had fallen in love with Daphne, he hadn't really admitted it out loud yet, nor did anyone else. Even as far as the middle of season 3 no one was saying it out loud. Maybe because Maris was still in the picture? In season 3's Moondance, Martin confronts Niles but all he says is "I see the way you look at her..." like it's still not quite the common knowledge (between the three men) that it is two years later in "First Date" when Niles finally says out loud "I can't go on like this! Do you know how frustrating it is to be completely in love with someone and not be able to tell her?" And of course, the very first time he admits it out loud, he thinks Daphne might have overheard.

So, while I hesitate to say "love at first sight," even though it's really romantic... and it was definitely something at first sight... I think Yooch is closer to right... it started as a click or a chemistry or an attraction or something intrinsic on sight on Niles's part, which led to him taking an interest in her and finding out over some time that he loved everything about her. He said in "Decoys" that he thinks they belong together, and I think that was something he felt pretty early on, even before he could translate it into love. As for how it got to love, there's a scene in "Adventures in Paradise" that he says she makes him feel alive, and he's said on more than one occasion (beginning with My Coffee with Niles) that she stirs a passion in him that is not at all like the "comfortable" relationship he had with Maris. As time went on, he was probably feeling deeper things that were difficult to put into words, things that touch a person in their soul, things that he didn't tell even Frasier, and it became increasingly clear to him that she was the love of his life.

The thing that I never understood is why Frasier and Martin were always such nay-sayers about the whole prospect of Niles persuing a relationship with Daphne. I understood when he was still married to Maris of course, but even after it was completely over with Maris they still (Frasier in particular) consistently discouraged him from telling Daphne how he felt or getting close to her at all. Even right up to just before Something Borrowed Someone Blue, Frasier was telling Niles that if Daphne showed concern, it was because he burned his hand and if she jumped it was because Martin startled her. It's like for all those years, Niles was trying so hard but Frasier and sometimes Martin made sure he was always paddling against the current. I get that they may not have fully understood the depth of what Niles was feeling for Daphne, but even so, what was the harm in a simple date?

This is a beautiful post, bingbangbaby. I totally agree with everything you said here.
Daphne was beautiful on the outside and that is why Niles was physically attracted to her when he first met her. But more often than not a lot of relationships start as physical attraction.
Niles did admit that he was physically attracted to her at first but over time he was emotionally attracted to her as well. He fell in love with her. He loved her laugh, her moods, and the fact that she could dance. He loved her eyes, her smile, her hair and of course her rear end. LOL.
I think that is why so many people loved Niles and Daphne together. Their relationship was so realistic. It wasn't rushed, it developed and grew over time. They had their differences and disagreements of course, but they always worked it out. They accepted each other for who they were. They were better people when they were together.
Sometimes things can't be explained, they are just meant to be. ♥
I love Niles and Daphne and always will. I can't thank DHP and Jane enough for their amazing portrayals.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by andress_jade

This is a beautiful post, bingbangbaby. I totally agree with everything you said here.
Daphne was beautiful on the outside and that is why Niles was physically attracted to her when he first met her. But more often than not a lot of relationships start as physical attraction.
Niles did admit that he was physically attracted to her at first but over time he was emotionally attracted to her as well. He fell in love with her. He loved her laugh, her moods, and the fact that she could dance. He loved her eyes, her smile, her hair and of course her rear end. LOL.
I think that is why so many people loved Niles and Daphne together. Their relationship was so realistic. It wasn't rushed, it developed and grew over time. They had their differences and disagreements of course, but they always worked it out. They accepted each other for who they were. They were better people when they were together.
Sometimes things can't be explained, they are just meant to be. ♥
I love Niles and Daphne and always will. I can't thank DHP and Jane enough for their amazing portrayals.

I have always found bingbangbaby to be very insightful.

[Pat]

... how two people click (N&D)... how two actors (David & Jane) can meld so well together. From the very moment they showed up on que and spoke their first lines (In this case is was episode three only because that's when N met D)... there was magic... it leaves many viewers beside themselves wondering how they found such a wonderful pair to play the part to the point where they couldn't imagine it any other way. In other shows, the characters have to evolve to come even close to a match like that.

[bingbangbaby]

Originally Posted by andressjade

This is a beautiful post, bingbangbaby.

Originally Posted by Pat

I have always found bingbangbaby to be very insightful.

Gee thanks...