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05-03-2001, 07:09 PM

Both were good, but I'd have to say Bewitched (with Dick York).

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FOL-FAN · 05-04-2001, 10:50 PM

Bewitched

Arfies · 11-05-2002, 07:28 PM

Bewitched all the way! I used to like IDOJ more because I never saw BW, but now that I'm a little older, I can appreciate the great writing, acting, storylines (at least in the earlier seasons

), and little subtleties that make it a show which I tape. And keep.

TVJunkie101 · 11-05-2002, 08:42 PM

It's a close vote, but Bewitched.

I haven't watched Bewitched (except ocassionaly watching it on Hallmark) regularly since it was on Nick at Nite, same with IDOJ, but I've always like Bewitched a little bit better. In a sense, a little more mature, so to speak.

Crimson and Clover · 11-06-2002, 12:00 AM

i like them both the same.

buddy love · 11-07-2002, 01:44 AM

Bewitched all the way--especially with Dick York. Watch some of the episodes from the first few seasons that centered on the love story between Sam and Darrin--the chemistry between York and Montgomery was electric, she didn't have that with Sargent.

Penny Lane · 11-07-2002, 11:10 AM

Bewitched

MBFTfan · 11-07-2002, 04:46 PM

Bewitched!

britt britt · 11-07-2002, 11:11 PM

I love em both but I like Bewitched a little better.

Cactus Jack · 11-10-2002, 01:23 AM

Havent seen that many eps yet but il say Bewitched

dlemond · 11-10-2002, 01:51 AM

Oh my god, you people.

Bewitched is much better.

Central Perk · 11-10-2002, 10:13 PM

I don't really like either of the shows but if I had to pick it would be Bewicthed.

I Dream of Jeannie · 11-12-2002, 09:32 PM

Well yall know what I'm gonna say, don't even get me started on this subject or I'll get WAY to carried away, yall know what I'm talking about.

But anyway I Dream of Jeannie is so much better, it's funnier, it's got a better overall plot(as in getting Tony and Jeannie together), it's got some of the greatest actors ever(not that Liz, Dick York, or Agnes are not also great), it's got better scenes, Tony gets in more trouble than Darrin ever did, (this may be a low blow but)at least IDOJ never made the mistake of dragging the show out after one of the main characters left(as in Dick York should have been the only Darrin) , but those are just my opinions and if you like Bewitched better than that's your right and opinion, I hope I didn't offend anyone. But IDOJ was better.

Arfies · 11-13-2002, 12:08 AM

Well, the dragging out was pretty much ABC to blame. They weren't about to give up the network's very first HUGE hit. (And top one at the time, too, clocking it at #2 in the ratings until ABC's Happy Days came along at #1.)

Like I said, I used to like IDOJ until I saw BW, which I LOVED. True, Sidney Sheldon asked former coworker William Asher if he would mind if he did a show about a genie, and Asher replied that he didn't mind. Fine. But right down to characters, plots, dialogue, animated opening, whatever, it's NBC trying to cash in on formerly-unsuccessful ABC's sleeper hit of the previous season. Heck, NBC went to Screen Gems, owner of Bewitched, to produce a similar show-- and even went so far as to ask Sol Saks, BW creator, to do it! He said no. So Sidney Sheldon did it.

Unfortunately, there was nothing anybody could do about it. Both shows were owned by Screen Gems. And Jackie Cooper, the studio head, makes Liz out to be a power-hungry spoiled b**** in his autobiography (and later Cox's Dreaming of Jeannie book). Which certainly she WAS NOT. I bet that if a man did the same things she did as BW's Creative Consultant, he'd be considered smart, ambitious, and promising. But if a woman does that, she's a brat, apparently. Look in Cooper's book of the accounts. He mentions "she looked at me with those big blue eyes...." but her eyes were REALLY, REALLY GREEN if he had actually been looking at her face instead of down her shirt (and judging by the context of the book where Cooper brags about sleeping with all kinds of women, that's more than likely what he was doing). Sorry. I needed to vent.

Back on topic-

Here's a post from another message board that kinda illustrates where I'm coming from:

RE: Were there genies
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In Reply to: Were there genis posted by Orko on November 17, 1998 at 05:02:43:

I think they must have stayed away from that - it was pretty well known that Elizabeth was not happy with Sidney Sheldon's attempts to duplicate ideas that had been hers and Bill's for use in Sheldon's "I Dream Of Jeannie" show. Ok, I gotta say it - I know EXACTLY how she felt when she heard of his ideas to copy the ideas from Bewitched. The following excerpt appeared in the April 1996 "Remember" magazine written by Herbie Pilato:

"Like Samantha on Bewitched, Jeannie had blonde hair and a sassy brunette twin sister. And while Samantha would twitch her nose, Jeannie would blink her eyes - a magic manifestation that did not sit well with Elizabeth."

Elizabeth remembers "When I heard that Sidney was developing the show, I didn't give it much thought. He was a friend of Bill's (Asher) and he invited us to lunch."

The more Sheldon talked about what he was going to do with Jeannie, the more Elizabeth sat back in her chair in awe, thinking to herself, "ARE YOU HEARING THIS RIGHT? ARE YOU REALLY LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION"?

She said she was "in a funk" when she heard Sidney say, "I must think of some way for her to motivate the magic, just like Samantha does."

"I just couldn't believe it", Liz recalled. "I had to prop my hand under my chin to keep my mouth from falling open. I was annoyed. That doesn't mean I was annoyed with Barbara (Eden) or Larry (Hagman). I was annoyed with Sidney. I was struck dumb. And I usually have something to say, but as I recall, it was a silent drive home".

Right on, Liz!! I can really identify with Elizabeth's feelings here. It is a horrible feeling to have others take original ideas from you with no remorse. This is the reason I can't even watch I Dream Of Jeannie - it sickens and angers me when I see all the material they used from Bewitched. I have so much respect for the wonderfully original and creative ideas the Bewitched cast/crew/staff came up with first, it is just hard to stomach the fact that so much of it was used to propel another show right in front of their eyes. ~Wendy

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I think Liz took it so hard because of all the hard work she put into it- She and her husband/director/producer/writer Bill Asher were "the king and queen of the show." Asher was the "official" one in charge, but Liz contributed a lot too, most of "witch" is undocumented.

She even invented the character of Serena, a mischevious dark-haired lookalike relative. And of course, a mischevious dark-haired lookalike relative later ended up on Jeannie.

I Dream of Jeannie · 11-13-2002, 07:10 PM

I'm so glad that you posted that excerpt about how Liz felt, that completely made me realize that Liz didn't hate Barbara and Larry. I'd always thought that they all didn't get along at all. But ya know that made me think Liz was even better of a person than I made her out to be. Although I already thought that she was great. Now for the first time I realize what happened. NBC is to blame no one else, and I do feel sorry for Bill and Liz them coming up with the idea and then NBC stealing it.

But I still believe that IDOJ was not a complete ripoff of Bewitched, there are differences and if NBC or the writers had of just kept away from doing very similiar episodes to Bewitched the show would not have been considered such a copy. But even after realizing all of the things I have I still like IDOJ better, and I forgive NBC, because if they hadn't of copied ABC some what there would not be an IDOJ today. IDOJ ROCKS ANYWAY!!!!

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11-05-2002, 08:42 PM	#19
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11-05-2002, 07:28 PM	#18
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11-10-2002, 01:51 AM	#26
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11-10-2002, 10:13 PM	#27
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11-13-2002, 12:08 AM	#29
Arfies Memberific Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 29, 2001 Location: There beneath the blue suburban skies, in summer, meanwhile back.... Posts: 481	Well, the dragging out was pretty much ABC to blame. They weren't about to give up the network's very first HUGE hit. (And top one at the time, too, clocking it at #2 in the ratings until ABC's Happy Days came along at #1.) Like I said, I used to like IDOJ until I saw BW, which I LOVED. True, Sidney Sheldon asked former coworker William Asher if he would mind if he did a show about a genie, and Asher replied that he didn't mind. Fine. But right down to characters, plots, dialogue, animated opening, whatever, it's NBC trying to cash in on formerly-unsuccessful ABC's sleeper hit of the previous season. Heck, NBC went to Screen Gems, owner of Bewitched, to produce a similar show-- and even went so far as to ask Sol Saks, BW creator, to do it! He said no. So Sidney Sheldon did it. Unfortunately, there was nothing anybody could do about it. Both shows were owned by Screen Gems. And Jackie Cooper, the studio head, makes Liz out to be a power-hungry spoiled b**** in his autobiography (and later Cox's Dreaming of Jeannie book). Which certainly she WAS NOT. I bet that if a man did the same things she did as BW's Creative Consultant, he'd be considered smart, ambitious, and promising. But if a woman does that, she's a brat, apparently. Look in Cooper's book of the accounts. He mentions "she looked at me with those big blue eyes...." but her eyes were REALLY, REALLY GREEN if he had actually been looking at her face instead of down her shirt (and judging by the context of the book where Cooper brags about sleeping with all kinds of women, that's more than likely what he was doing). Sorry. I needed to vent. Back on topic- Here's a post from another message board that kinda illustrates where I'm coming from: RE: Were there genies [ Rules ] [ Help ] [ Back to the main 1999 Archive page ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by Webmaster on November 30, 1998 at 15:35:27 In Reply to: Were there genis posted by Orko on November 17, 1998 at 05:02:43: I think they must have stayed away from that - it was pretty well known that Elizabeth was not happy with Sidney Sheldon's attempts to duplicate ideas that had been hers and Bill's for use in Sheldon's "I Dream Of Jeannie" show. Ok, I gotta say it - I know EXACTLY how she felt when she heard of his ideas to copy the ideas from Bewitched. The following excerpt appeared in the April 1996 "Remember" magazine written by Herbie Pilato: "Like Samantha on Bewitched, Jeannie had blonde hair and a sassy brunette twin sister. And while Samantha would twitch her nose, Jeannie would blink her eyes - a magic manifestation that did not sit well with Elizabeth." Elizabeth remembers "When I heard that Sidney was developing the show, I didn't give it much thought. He was a friend of Bill's (Asher) and he invited us to lunch." The more Sheldon talked about what he was going to do with Jeannie, the more Elizabeth sat back in her chair in awe, thinking to herself, "ARE YOU HEARING THIS RIGHT? ARE YOU REALLY LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION"? She said she was "in a funk" when she heard Sidney say, "I must think of some way for her to motivate the magic, just like Samantha does." "I just couldn't believe it", Liz recalled. "I had to prop my hand under my chin to keep my mouth from falling open. I was annoyed. That doesn't mean I was annoyed with Barbara (Eden) or Larry (Hagman). I was annoyed with Sidney. I was struck dumb. And I usually have something to say, but as I recall, it was a silent drive home". Right on, Liz!! I can really identify with Elizabeth's feelings here. It is a horrible feeling to have others take original ideas from you with no remorse. This is the reason I can't even watch I Dream Of Jeannie - it sickens and angers me when I see all the material they used from Bewitched. I have so much respect for the wonderfully original and creative ideas the Bewitched cast/crew/staff came up with first, it is just hard to stomach the fact that so much of it was used to propel another show right in front of their eyes. ~Wendy ____________________________________________________ I think Liz took it so hard because of all the hard work she put into it- She and her husband/director/producer/writer Bill Asher were "the king and queen of the show." Asher was the "official" one in charge, but Liz contributed a lot too, most of "witch" is undocumented. She even invented the character of Serena, a mischevious dark-haired lookalike relative. And of course, a mischevious dark-haired lookalike relative later ended up on Jeannie.

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