MJ's 25 Thriller re-release not on the charts...record label bosses furious. - Page 2 - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

Ireneparalegal · 02-23-2008, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Winchester

I know, it's discrimination against white women!!!!

88survivor · 02-23-2008, 06:07 PM

He'll become so predicatable later on.....

MJ, shove it where the sun don't shine, okay.

Ireneparalegal · 02-23-2008, 08:41 PM

I'd rather listen to Thriller as it was originally done. I hate remixes.

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 10:26 PM

I like remixes if they're well done, like Michael had some fantastic remixes for "Earth Song" back around 95-96. But what MJ's done here is just a predictable way to get back on the charts. The saddest part is that Japan gets another bonus track (Got The Hots), however, GTH is a song from the Thriller sessions released for the first time 25 years later, yet they see fit to make it a Japan bonus track while America gets all the lame guest stars that few people who appreciate the original album care for.

88survivor · 02-23-2008, 10:53 PM

I listened GTH for the first. Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson thought the song itself was too anti-religious or something. It kind of reminds me a bit like Off The wall redux circa 1982 to me. In a good way. It's a not bad song. It' s like the continuation of the Off The Wall, you know.

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88survivor

I listened GTH for the first. Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson thought the song itself was too anti-religious or something. It kind of reminds me a bit like Off The wall redux circa 1982 to me. In a good way. It's a not bad song. It' s like the continuation of the Off The Wall, you know.

too bad it's only seen fit to be on a Japanese edition of the album. I grew up with Thriller, Akon, Kanye, will.i.am and Fergie don't even exist in the world where Thriller's from, they don't belong in it just like Pharrell didn't belong in the world where Sympathy For The Devil originally hailed (The Stones were smart enough to just release the "new mixes" separately when they decided to update it). He should've done the Yoko Ono thing and came out with a new album of reinterpretations of his classics instead of tainting his most beloved album. Got The Hots and For All Time should just be added to th 2001 edition of the album

Dean Winchester · 02-24-2008, 04:37 AM

I think Billboard should throw out the "Pop Catalog" chart all together. If an album from 1970 is selling more than a brand new release, then tough luck. In the UK, Beatles albums still chart over 40 year on because they still sell. If you're the 161st biggest selling album on a given week, you should be #161, whether or not you're over two years old. The UK's chart system is generally better than ours, their singles chart kicks ours anyday, they don't factor airplay in, since airplay is generally payola controlled anyhow

Dr. Thong · 02-24-2008, 01:11 PM

I think another factor hurting sales is that a single disc remaster of Thriller was already issued a few years ago and that the current one simply takes all the songs from that one and adds some new remixes.

These current rappers and hip hoppers have no relevance in regard to Thriller. Why try and put a contemporary spin on a project that's supposed to commemorate a classic??

Besides, I think everyone who would buy Thriller has already bought it already...at least once.

Ireneparalegal · 02-26-2008, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Thong

I think another factor hurting sales is that a single disc remaster of Thriller was already issued a few years ago and that the current one simply takes all the songs from that one and adds some new remixes.

These current rappers and hip hoppers have no relevance in regard to Thriller. Why try and put a contemporary spin on a project that's supposed to commemorate a classic??

Besides, I think everyone who would buy Thriller has already bought it already...at least once.

Good point. And not everyone who loves THRILLER would love a hip-hop spin on the music they remember. Liking pop and R&B doesn't mean you also like hip-hop.

Dean Winchester · 02-26-2008, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Good point. And not everyone who loves THRILLER would love a hip-hop spin on the music they remember. Liking pop and R&B doesn't mean you also like hip-hop.

I agree. I don't give two passing craps about any of the artists who are supposedly "decorating" Thriller

Ireneparalegal · 02-26-2008, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Winchester

I agree. I don't give two passing craps about any of the artists who are supposedly "decorating" Thriller

Mind you, I love hip-hop on its own, but when it is used as you stated to "decorate" an already established album, then forget it. I don't want any part of it.

I loved when hip-hop queen Mary J. Blige did that duet with Bono/U2 for their song "One"...now THAT was awesome. The song wasn't changed, just the addition of Mary J.'s voice with Bono's. I know there are more examples, but that one comes to mind.

Dean Winchester · 02-26-2008, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Mind you, I love hip-hop on its own, but when it is used as you stated to "decorate" an already established album, then forget it. I don't want any part of it.

I loved when hip-hop queen Mary J. Blige did that duet with Bono/U2 for their song "One"...now THAT was awesome. The song wasn't changed, just the addition of Mary J.'s voice with Bono's. I know there are more examples, but that one comes to mind.

also when they did that, U2 never decided to place that on new copies of Achtung Baby because while there might be U2 fans who like Mary as well, she had nothing to do witht he band when that album came out in 1991. That's the big beef I think a lot of older fans have with the new mixes. Like I said before, do a new EP if you want to do new mixes of those tracks, not contaminate Thriller.

Ireneparalegal · 02-26-2008, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Winchester

also when they did that, U2 never decided to place that on new copies of Achtung Baby because while there might be U2 fans who like Mary as well, she had nothing to do witht he band when that album came out in 1991. That's the big beef I think a lot of older fans have with the new mixes. Like I said before, do a new EP if you want to do new mixes of those tracks, not contaminate Thriller.

Exactly. That song stood on its own and its own merits. I believe it won a grammy, didn't it?

I think if THRILLER mixes can't be marketed on their own, on a different album, then it has no business being made.

How well is this remix album doing?

88survivor · 02-28-2008, 09:44 AM

It flopped! MJ's going to get another loan or lose his Neverland Ranch for good on forecloser.

Dean Winchester · 02-28-2008, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88survivor

It flopped! MJ's going to get another loan or lose his Neverland Ranch for good on forecloser.

I wouldn't necessarily say it flopped. 230,000 in two weeks is very very good for an album that originally came out in 1982.

02-24-2008, 01:11 PM	#23
Dr. Thong a/k/a "ACK!" Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 10, 2001 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 5,546	I think another factor hurting sales is that a single disc remaster of Thriller was already issued a few years ago and that the current one simply takes all the songs from that one and adds some new remixes. These current rappers and hip hoppers have no relevance in regard to Thriller. Why try and put a contemporary spin on a project that's supposed to commemorate a classic?? Besides, I think everyone who would buy Thriller has already bought it already...at least once.
	__________________ "Sunday has been cancelled due to lack of interest. That is all."

02-23-2008, 06:07 PM	#17
88survivor Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 03, 2006 Location: NY Posts: 1,849	He'll become so predicatable later on..... MJ, shove it where the sun don't shine, okay.

02-23-2008, 08:41 PM	#18
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,691	I'd rather listen to Thriller as it was originally done. I hate remixes.

02-23-2008, 10:26 PM	#19
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	I like remixes if they're well done, like Michael had some fantastic remixes for "Earth Song" back around 95-96. But what MJ's done here is just a predictable way to get back on the charts. The saddest part is that Japan gets another bonus track (Got The Hots), however, GTH is a song from the Thriller sessions released for the first time 25 years later, yet they see fit to make it a Japan bonus track while America gets all the lame guest stars that few people who appreciate the original album care for.

02-23-2008, 10:53 PM	#20
88survivor Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 03, 2006 Location: NY Posts: 1,849	I listened GTH for the first. Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson thought the song itself was too anti-religious or something. It kind of reminds me a bit like Off The wall redux circa 1982 to me. In a good way. It's a not bad song. It' s like the continuation of the Off The Wall, you know.

02-24-2008, 04:37 AM	#22
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	I think Billboard should throw out the "Pop Catalog" chart all together. If an album from 1970 is selling more than a brand new release, then tough luck. In the UK, Beatles albums still chart over 40 year on because they still sell. If you're the 161st biggest selling album on a given week, you should be #161, whether or not you're over two years old. The UK's chart system is generally better than ours, their singles chart kicks ours anyday, they don't factor airplay in, since airplay is generally payola controlled anyhow

02-28-2008, 09:44 AM	#29
88survivor Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 03, 2006 Location: NY Posts: 1,849	It flopped! MJ's going to get another loan or lose his Neverland Ranch for good on forecloser.