Martin Short Caught Up In Mid-Air Argument With Lucille Ball

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Janice

I agree for the most part, Irene; however, Martin Short demonstrated that it would have been impossible for him to kick her chair. She did have them removed too. I think Lucy was difficult throughout her life, then turned into a shrew at the end. That's what happens to some of these older, formerly pretty stars. They need to know that they're still powerful enough to throw their weight around. I think Lucy died an unhappy woman. She lost Desi decades before, and I don't think she ever got over him or his death. She aged terribly, and Gary spent more time with his 7-iron than with her, and who knows what else she was dealing with in her mind.
She may have recognized Short, had a few drinks in her, and decided to show him who's boss. I can't think of another reason why she would do that to him. I've seen it all though, through the years. People can be real creeps.

Oh I didn't read that part where Short stated that. Short sounds like a guy who just wanted to share a story abt a fellow comedian and felt it was inappropriate to say anything sooner abt that incident. I mean, who wouldn't want to share a story like that? I would. I mean, celebs are not gods or goddesses, they all have quirks of some sorts. Even the beloved Jackie Gleason made a racist remark to Tony Orlando. And I can see Lucy being temperamental as she got older. She was a hard-nosed person in her younger days (she had to be to put up with Desi ) and sometimes those types are the ones who get crankier with age. Those are the type I can't stand!!! Oy vey, I hope to be a nice old hag when I get that age. I want someone to care for me. Not send me to some old folks home.

[Brian Damage]

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

sometimes those types are the ones who get crankier with age. Those are the type I can't stand!!! Oy vey, I hope to be a nice old hag when I get that age. I want someone to care for me. Not send me to some old folks home.

Like Janetvfan, the old bag couldn't stand that I was sharing a story about the "Untouchable" Lucy. OOps, I called her an old bag..."I better Be Careful!!!"

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Like Janetvfan, the old bag couldn't stand that I was sharing a story about the "Untouchable" Lucy. OOps, I called her an old bag..."I better Be Careful!!!"

Oooooo you so bad Brian ....You bad, bad boy...*irene getting the whip out*

[Brian Damage]

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Oooooo you so bad Brian ....You bad, bad boy...*irene getting the whip out*

[Janice]

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Oh I didn't read that part where Short stated that. Short sounds like a guy who just wanted to share a story abt a fellow comedian and felt it was inappropriate to say anything sooner abt that incident. I mean, who wouldn't want to share a story like that? I would. I mean, celebs are not gods or goddesses, they all have quirks of some sorts. Even the beloved Jackie Gleason made a racist remark to Tony Orlando. And I can see Lucy being temperamental as she got older. She was a hard-nosed person in her younger days (she had to be to put up with Desi ) and sometimes those types are the ones who get crankier with age. Those are the type I can't stand!!! Oy vey, I hope to be a nice old hag when I get that age. I want someone to care for me. Not send me to some old folks home.

Nobody would ever send you away Irene. I'd have you live with me first. Brian posted the youtube video of Martin Short on Conan, earlier on this thread. It's a riot. And wow about Jackie Gleason. You just never know.

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Janice

Nobody would ever send you away Irene. I'd have you live with me first. Brian posted the youtube video of Martin Short on Conan, earlier on this thread. It's a riot. And wow about Jackie Gleason. You just never know.

We can grow old together. BYE RAYMOND!!!!!


Yeah, I just searched through the thread here and found that clip. It is a riot. Martin is so damn funny.

Yeah, the Jackie Gleason remark (and story) is posted on the PBS Innovators of Television thread on General Sitcoms. I was shocked when I read the story and posted it there. It was a story that was part of the show. Yeah, you never know and it also proves that things can come out way after the fact. Here is the story. It does have a nice ending though:

Tony Orlando vs. Jackie Gleason
Being part of the “Pioneers of Television” series for PBS is a thrill for Tony Orlando. But he was almost embarrassed that the clip they showed at press tour that featured him was one from the lowest point in his career – performing with Jackie Gleason, who had insulted him and made a racist remark about the singers in his backing group Dawn.

In what was by far the longest story in a session filled with long stories, Orlando spent what seemed like 20 minutes telling the tale (a transcript of it filled four pages).

“He was not easy to work with,” said the mustachioed man behind “Candida.”

”He was the one guy in the whole time I was there that made it difficult for me, quite frankly. He was bigger than life on every level, his ego..”

In first encountering the trio, “I heard him say, ‘Who's this? ‘Amateur Night in Dixie' and these two shvatzes?’ “ Orlando says. “I was shocked that a man as great -- I admired him, he was one of my idols -- would say that.”

Orlando demanded an apology “and he said, ‘I’m out of here pal.’ ”

Things didn’t go well in rehearsal.

According to Orlando, Gleason had told him: “all right, pal. No ad-libbing. I do the ad-libbing.” Then when they were taping, Gleason kept flubbing takes and Orlando called him on it.

A dressing room meeting ensued. “And he says, "I want you to know something. The next sketch, if that happens again and you make any comment again, you're in bigger trouble than you ever imagined.’"

And the sketch, based on “Kung Fu” went to blows before an unlikely person stepped in.
Part of the appeal of this story was the way he told it out, drawing it out so long.

“I realized I now had a fight on my hands,” he says, before saying what seemed a non sequitir: “God bless Nancy Walker.”

The diminutive actress told him “I’ve had it in for him since 1949.”

Walker slugs Gleason and in another dressing room meeting, Gleason relents and fives him an autographed copy of his script. “It says, "Dear Tony, I apologize. I was wrong. You were right. How sweet it is to tell the truth, Jackie."

Soon after, they two grew close in the business, Orlando says. “For the whole time I was on television, he became my coach, my manager, and yes, he eventually apologized to the girls.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Like Janetvfan, the old bag couldn't stand that I was sharing a story about the "Untouchable" Lucy. OOps, I called her an old bag..."I better Be Careful!!!"

Oh great, now the guy who has John 3:16 as his signature is calling me names. So typical. And by the way, Lucy is far from "untouchable" to me. Ask Claude. My only issue, as I said at the very beginning of this, is posting stories without attribution and 19 years after a person has died so that they can't tell their side.

[Brian Damage]

Originally Posted by JaneTVFan

Oh great, now the guy who has John 3:16 as his signature is calling me names. So typical. And by the way, Lucy is far from "untouchable" to me. Ask Claude. My only issue, as I said at the very beginning of this, is posting stories without attribution and 19 years after a person has died so that they can't tell their side.

Who the hell is Claude? Claude Raines? He's deader than Lucy. You're a fine one to talk about attribution and gossip. Didn't you lie that Madonna told Letterman that she "did" NBA players? Janice posted the interview, and it was clear to anyone with an IQ of room temperature that Madonna was joking, not confessing. You little gossip monger you. Your beloved hero, the Communist Lucy was a rotten mother, and an even lousier grandmother. Desi Jr., same deal. He allowed his mother make everyone disown his own daughter. For what, fear of low ratings on her TV show? Her career had been on the skids for over a decade at that point anyway. After Lucy died, Jr. let his daughter back in, but to this day, passes her off as his niece. He's his mother's son, that's for sure. If you need attribution for what I'm claiming here, look no further than this forum. It's all there.

One more thing, Frasier Crane is the longest-running sitcom character on TV.

[Zoneboy]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Who the hell is Claude?

Claude Akins? No wait, He's dead also.

[OH Nuts!]

Because I love I Love Lucy, it would be nice to stick my head in the sand and see Lucy as "untouchable"-- but I've heard enough stories to know there were times where she was "difficult"--esp. in the later years. Unfortunately she didn't age gracefully and was quite the drinker, possibly an alcoholic--which lays the perfect backdrop for erratic/belligerant behavior.

Because it's Martin Short I'm reserving judgment on this particular incident. I have a sour view of him after seeing how he treated Bette Davis when she was a guest on the Tonight show (1987). He was such a jerk on the show and seemed (at least to me) to be making fun of her at times. She was physically frail on the show, but mentally sharp as a tack.

[Lodee]

Jane's right. She doesn't consider Lucy untouchable. Like she said, ask Claude. And we don't mean Claude Raines or Akins. Although I suppose if you go to a psychic it might be possible to ask them.

[SPLAIN]

No, don't ask me anything, i want to have nothing to do with that whack job, i left Raymond's board because of that DERANGED person, LOL! My take is i heard Martin Short tell that story on Letterman years ago and obviously as he has no way of coming up with something new, he's recycling and embellishing. I too would prefer hearing Lucy's side, but as that won't happen, i just don't care. She was not more blunt and direct than her contemporaries Davis or Hepburn. He ridiculed Hepburn and Davis too on more than one occasion, maybe he's one of those ******** idiots who can't stand an uppity woman taking charge or showing strength. I hope he goes and makes another classic like Three Amigos so he'll have a different story to tell on talk shows, LOL!

[Brian Damage]

Originally Posted by SPLAIN

No, don't ask me anything, i want to have nothing to do with that whack job, i left Raymond's board because of that DERANGED person, LOL! My take is i heard Martin Short tell that story on Letterman years ago and obviously as he has no way of coming up with something new, he's recycling and embellishing. I too would prefer hearing Lucy's side, but as that won't happen, i just don't care. She was not more blunt and direct than her contemporaries Davis or Hepburn. He ridiculed Hepburn and Davis too on more than one occasion, maybe he's one of those ******** idiots who can't stand an uppity woman taking charge or showing strength. I hope he goes and makes another classic like Three Amigos so he'll have a different story to tell on talk shows, LOL!

I'd say you're the one who's deranged, considering you can't keep politics off the sitcom boards. I hear it's gotten you in a little bit of trouble. All you did was knock Patricia Heaton on the ELR board. That's real mature, hate an actor for their politics. If I was that way, I'd hate all of Hollywood. I know you tried your hand on the Politic's board, and you bombed worse than Lucy's offspring in the entertainment business. " Bush suck. America sucks. Cheney sucks. Rove sucks. Did I say that Bush sucks?" Get some new material, dude! I thought you Canadians were supposed to be funny.
Maybe you just don't like women, or you only go for sloppy drunk Commie broads, with bright red clown wigs, who need three hours in the make-up room, and 10 pounds of it to boot. That's it, you like old hags, which is why you're such good friends with...nah, better not.
I remember Martin Short appearing with Bette Davis on the Tonight Show. It was a riot. He was doing impersonations, and she asked him to impersonate her, so he did. Big deal. He wasn't ridiculing her. He was doing an impersonation. If you need further explanation on the difference, grab a dictionary.
The funniest joke on Bette Davis was when Letterman was beating the crap out of a dummy doll, made up to look like Davis who was a guest that night. The dummy had the same outfit at Davis, right down her hat, and Letterman was pounding away. I'll wait for the outrage on that, but I'm sure all I'll hear are crickets.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally Posted by Brian "THE CHURCH LADY" Damage

Who the hell is Claude? Claude Raines? He's deader than Lucy. You're a fine one to talk about attribution and gossip. Didn't you lie that Madonna told Letterman that she "did" NBA players? Janice posted the interview, and it was clear to anyone with an IQ of room temperature that Madonna was joking, not confessing. You little gossip monger you. Your beloved hero, the Communist Lucy was a rotten mother, and an even lousier grandmother. Desi Jr., same deal. He allowed his mother make everyone disown his own daughter. For what, fear of low ratings on her TV show? Her career had been on the skids for over a decade at that point anyway. After Lucy died, Jr. let his daughter back in, but to this day, passes her off as his niece. He's his mother's son, that's for sure. If you need attribution for what I'm claiming here, look no further than this forum. It's all there.

One more thing, Frasier Crane is the longest-running sitcom character on TV.

I guess I really must have hit a button with you because you're really going off the deep end now, truly grasping at straws. Is your poodle off its noodle? Is your collie off its trolley? About my Madonna comment, which you call a lie , this is specifically what I said: She's talking about . . . doing NBA players. Let's see now, she spends the interview making near constant sexual references (I'm sitting on the Top Ten list, Dave, reach down and get it!), talks about pissing on her feet in the shower, and cursing right and left, using the "F" word some 13 times, and Dave references her admission of having sex with lots of celebs. And she does say "Oh, that microphone is really long . . . speaking of the NBA" So I guess if you want to split hairs (and you obviously do), then she didn't talk specifically about doing NBA players, she only implied it strongly, among other things. Oops! You really got me there! I lied! Oh I'm such a gossip. How dare I tarnish Madonna's pristine image! She would be horrified if people ever assumed she had had sex with Dennis Rodman!

Communist Lucy? Did you make an F in history class? Or perhaps you haven't seen a newspaper that's been printed since 1953. But Lucy was completely cleared by the House of all those communist charges. Perhaps you should even go back and study the whole McCarthyism saga. Or maybe you just don't understand that this is the United States and, unlike Nazi Germany, it has been our tradition to give people hearings and trials and not accept any accusation someone in authority may throw at them. Then again, you have indicated you're a Bush supporter (even now???? ), so that would explain your mindset. Well, if Lucy was a communist, I guess we had better start questioning whether her close friends, Ronald and Nancy Reagan, were true patriots. You know, guilt by association! (President Reagan was a closet communist, oh no!)

About Lucy's career being on the skids for ten years, it seems to me her career didn't hit the skids until Life with Lucy in 1986 when she was an elderly lady. Most people are long retired by age 75, you know! Ten years after 1986 she was long dead. Unless you consider only being number two in the ratings ten years after I Love Lucy as being "on the skids" or having the top-rated CBS show 14 years after I Love Lucy. Yeah, those skids must have really hurt.

Regarding your "Frasier Crane is the longest-running sitcom character on TV" comment, grow up, really! That sounds so much like "My daddy is stronger and smarter than your daddy!" How old are you anyway?

You've made yourself perfectly clear in this thread, you hate Lucille Ball and you hate her shows. Which begs the question, just why are you here? Did you fail to realize this is an I LOVE LUCY message board? Is something not computing in your head? Maybe you're a troll?

As for all the other tabloid stuff you're throwing at Lucille Ball's family, who let you inside their home to find out who did what to whom and why? How are you the expert on them and their motives? Maybe this more evidence of that recent psychological study that found conservatives have difficulty processing ambiguity and only see things in terms of black or white.

One basic question: What is wrong with you, really? You're obviously a bitter and unhappy person who seems hellbent on spreading your misery to others. You know who you remind me of with all your anger-laden, gossipy and judgmental comments? Dana Carvey's Church Lady character. So since you've decided to call me as an old bag (which I can't figure out because you've never even seen a picture of me) you'll from this point forward be the Church Lady to me (your portrait attached).

In my experience, people who are as viciously judgmental as you are just trying to cover up their own guilt over some deep, dark secret they're hiding about themselves. Hmm? I wonder what it could be?

[SPLAIN]

Thanks Jane, i just refuse to discuss anything with a mental midget and this character gives new meaning to the term. I now remember why i keep leaving this board, people like that who ruin it for eberybody else. And for the record, i WORSHIP America and Americans, just not the NEW America of the last seven years with Dumb and Dumber in charge.