Jean Moore..went missing from a casino..any news?

[cocytus]

Originally Posted by Guardian

If he had anything to do with it, it would almost have to be accidental.

As far as verbal abuse could mean anything as it is all open to interpretation. He might just be brutally honest; "does this make me look fat?" "why yes it does Jean. Maybe you should think about a diet". That could be called verbal abuse, bit is nowhere near "you are a dumb bitch". Without knowing the things he said to her I don't think that can be taken without a grain of salt.

If the local police are that incompetent, it also means that an innocent man could be easily accused of something like this. So long as his car tabs were not expired, the killer could get off Scott free.

Based on evidence presented in the segment, Al looks guilty. Based on Al's interview in the segment, he seems innocent. I would love to see his entire united interview. I think I could decide for sure then.

That's true, poster. Her children described him as being verbally abusive to Jean but as you stated that could mean many different things. They may in fact not even like Al (which is understandable in light of their mother's disappearance), which means their view of him is always going to be prejudiced by that fact.

And let me modify my earlier statement: the Laughlin Police Department almost certainly has some very professional officers that are doing a very difficult but necessary job.The difficulties that seem to have occurred in solving this particular case may have come from a lack of experience, rather than any type of incompetence.

It's been a number of years since this occurred and Al wasn't a young man even then. Does anybody know if he is even still alive?

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by cocytus

That's true, poster. Her children described him as being verbally abusive to Jean but as you stated that could mean many different things. They may in fact not even like Al (which is understandable in light of their mother's disappearance), which means their view of him is always going to be prejudiced by that fact.

And let me modify my earlier statement: the Laughlin Police Department almost certainly has some very professional officers that are doing a very difficult but necessary job.The difficulties that seem to have occurred in solving this particular case may have come from a lack of experience, rather than any type of incompetence.

It's been a number of years since this occurred and Al wasn't a young man even then. Does anybody know if he is even still alive?

I believe in a previous post someone has said Al had died sometime in the 90's.

[cocytus]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I believe in a previous post someone has said Al had died sometime in the 90's.

Well, if that's the case, then this will always be an unsolved mystery.

[Guardian]

I really just feel that anyone would be smarter than to do something like this and have a false alibi be doing something that should be on film and isn't. Everyone knows that casinos are covered from floor to ceiling with cameras. You can almost not go to the bathroom without being on tape in a casino.

I would say that if the casino tapes are in fact 100% postively showing the machines, places, and times/dates in question that Al in fact says he was at, with no mistakes, I would concede that he is guilty.

But as I said, given the fact that he had to know that the casino was covered with cameras, it makes me wonder if there wasn't a mistake on the casino security staff's part. Or for some reason, switching or otherwise tampering with the tapes.

Suppose that there was some unknown illegal activity going on in the casino that the owners/management didnt want the police to see. They might then tamper with the tapes to save their necks at the cost of throwing an innocent man under the bus. Just a thought. Nothing to back that up at all.

Let's face it, if the casino tapes were not a factor in this, I think a lot more people would be on Al's side, or at least give him the benefit of the doubt. I am curious if the police are still looking into this case at all. With it still being a missing persons case, its difficult to say how much time they would give it.

I am suprised that here we don't see the pattern of the other multiple missing person case on UM. Let's see, "they vanished under suspicious circumstances not leaving a trace, taking no money or belongings with them and people around them are acting suspicious and their stories don't match up and they have never contacted their families... Clearly this must just be a case of them walking off to start a new life somewhere." Yeah, Bull@#$%.

[Victoria81]

I want to believe him, but the tape doesn't lie. But I wonder where he killed her? Somewhere along the way to the casino?

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Victoria81

I want to believe him, but the tape doesn't lie. But I wonder where he killed her? Somewhere along the way to the casino?

If Al is guilty, he could have killed her the night before their alleged trip to the casino the next day. He had plenty of time to kill her and get rid of her body, and then invent the story for the next day.

[Awsi Dooger]

Originally Posted by Guardian

Everyone knows that casinos are covered from floor to ceiling with cameras. You can almost not go to the bathroom without being on tape in a casino.

That's mythology. You're talking about tiny Laughlin, Nevada more than 20 years ago. I've been to Laughlin dozens of times. The only reason I kept driving there from Las Vegas was that Laughlin was laughably unsophisticated. It's one stretch of casinos along the Colorado River. Maybe one mile total. In those days there were considerably fewer casinos than today, and not many on the side of the road that didn't border the river.

I don't have much of an opinion on this case, or Al Henderson's guilt or innocence. But one aspect that was common to this forum years ago, and obviously has not changed, is the improper assumption that all Nevada gambling towns are identical to Las Vegas in terms of caliber of employees or caliber of security or caliber of surveillance, etc. It couldn't be further from the truth. People who can't get hired in Las Vegas try the smaller cities. Notice that the card counting crews and other scammers practice their skills at the minor casinos across the country before gaining confidence to move to the big money sites. Las Vegas has new fancy structures. The buildings in Laughln are basically unchanged from September 1984, when I first visited. Same with Carson City and other sites with Unsolved Mysteries casino-related cases.

In the early '90s, when this disappearance occurred, I was still making the 90 mile drive to Laughlin occasionally. It's not the proudest portion of my life but I might as well mention it, because it supports my theme that Laughlin was primitive by casino standards. I certainly would not take everything at face value in terms of missing tapes or who is on those tapes or whether they were erased or even focused on the correct area. Laughlin was notoriously pathetic in terms of surveillance and security. Guys who were booted from one Las Vegas casino after another would take a bus to Laughlin and know they would never be bothered. I would hear stuff like that in sportsbooks all the time. Sportsbooks were and are the gathering areas for the shady characters. People who have had success gambling in Nevada find out quickly that there are short cuts, that it's not as difficult as outsiders want to believe. You aren't limited to table game true odds or giving 11/10 on sporting events. Casinos make mistakes and have vulnerabilities. Tons of them. The specifics change but the weaknesses are always there. Different guys make different choices, which lead some to trouble and others to exploding bankrolls.

From '90 to '93 I often played overpaying poker machines. I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. I was merely playing machines that were nicely generous. These were quarter machines, almost without exception. Some dropped the coins automatically while others had a credit button that had to be pushed for the payout. Video poker was exploding in that era. There were dozens if not hundreds of those machines in every casino. All you had to do was go machine to machine and check the payout. In the vast majority of cases, the payout would be correct. Move on. But maybe 1 or 2% of the time you'd find a friendly machine. And he might be your friend for hours or weeks, depending on the casino and the caliber of the slot staff and mechanics. I was never kicked out of any joint but they eventually were wise to me at Circus Circus and Riviera. If they saw me playing a machine they knew something was up. I remember emptying the hopper at the Riviera and the slot supervisor who filled the machine for me on the previous shift came sprinting toward the machine like Renaldo Nehemiah, hurdling tables. "I just filled that machine for him!" He checked it and found what he expected. "Here's your fill, sir. This machine is now out of order. " He tossed the 18 quarters onto the floor.

Some employees were like that. They took it personally when they discovered the payout was generous, and realized why you had been there for the past week. I was hardly the only one doing this. I wondered how my friend John could be broke one day and making a $550 wager the next day. He tipped me toward the machines, even giving me some of his leftovers so I could get the hang of it.

I mention this partially because Laughlin was the home of the most inept slot personnel and mechanics I ever saw during that stretch. I'd wake up in Las Vegas and yawn, deciding whether I had the energy to drive to Laughlin and fill my wallet with 3 or 4 fills. The fills on a quarter machine could be $100 or $200, depending on the casino. Obviously you prioritized the spots with $200 fills. There was one graveyard shift change booth lady at the Edgewater who noticed that I was having an unusual stretch of luck. "Oh, so you won big again?" she asked, as I handed her another full bucket of quarters to be redeemed. I knew to watch out for her. Sure enough, she sicked a slot mechanic on me. He sat behind my machine for a full half hour. So what. I played it normally, without cashing out. Then I moved to a nearby machine. He lost interest in me completely, and ignored what the slot booth lady reported. That was Laughlin caliber in those days. Completely different level than Las Vegas. It's probably similar today. I first saw how out of touch they were in spring 1985, when the Edgewater sportsbook was literally 30 points off on both totals for the Final Four. They were booking 131 on Villanova vs. Memphis while Las Vegas was using 102. I had a party on that one. They were moving it 1 point at a time when I bet the limit. If they had moved it 5 points at a time I still would have kept going.

That's the Laughlin I know. Too many people watch the Oceans movies and fall for the propaganda, that the casinos see everything and know everything. Meanwhile, they are life and death to have the employees show up on time and not scheme to rip them off. I know undercover security guys at a couple of casinos who still laugh at those Oceans movies, every time they are sent on the latest goose chase thanks to the eye in the sky.

As I posted many years ago, the Laughlin area is quite desolate and seemingly the perfect area to dispose of a body. It's a steep descent out of the mountains to the one strip of casino land in Laughlin. Also, the biggest dirt bags who frequent Las Vegas are known to head to Laughlin for a quickie robbery or worse. That could have been Jean Moore's fate.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger

As I posted many years ago, the Laughlin area is quite desolate and seemingly the perfect area to dispose of a body. It's a steep descent out of the mountains to the one strip of casino land in Laughlin. Also, the biggest dirt bags who frequent Las Vegas are known to head to Laughlin for a quickie robbery or worse. That could have been Jean Moore's fate.

Thank you for the insight into the types that frequented the Laughlin area. Jean Moore very well could have been the victim of a robbery gone wrong.

[MegtheEgg86]

Robberies outside casinos are incredibly common, but robberies that turn into murders are not. I think the likelihood of an older woman being killed by perfect strangers and never found again in the immediate vicinity of a casino is far less great than that of her husband (a man she knew for decades, and who was allegedly abusive) murdering her. It's possible, but I've always felt Al probably did it.

[macbeth06]

Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger

That's mythology. You're talking about tiny Laughlin, Nevada more than 20 years ago. I've been to Laughlin dozens of times. The only reason I kept driving there from Las Vegas was that Laughlin was laughably unsophisticated. It's one stretch of casinos along the Colorado River. Maybe one mile total. In those days there were considerably fewer casinos than today, and not many on the side of the road that didn't border the river.

I don't have much of an opinion on this case, or Al Henderson's guilt or innocence. But one aspect that was common to this forum years ago, and obviously has not changed, is the improper assumption that all Nevada gambling towns are identical to Las Vegas in terms of caliber of employees or caliber of security or caliber of surveillance, etc. It couldn't be further from the truth. People who can't get hired in Las Vegas try the smaller cities. Notice that the card counting crews and other scammers practice their skills at the minor casinos across the country before gaining confidence to move to the big money sites. Las Vegas has new fancy structures. The buildings in Laughln are basically unchanged from September 1984, when I first visited. Same with Carson City and other sites with Unsolved Mysteries casino-related cases.

In the early '90s, when this disappearance occurred, I was still making the 90 mile drive to Laughlin occasionally. It's not the proudest portion of my life but I might as well mention it, because it supports my theme that Laughlin was primitive by casino standards. I certainly would not take everything at face value in terms of missing tapes or who is on those tapes or whether they were erased or even focused on the correct area. Laughlin was notoriously pathetic in terms of surveillance and security. Guys who were booted from one Las Vegas casino after another would take a bus to Laughlin and know they would never be bothered. I would hear stuff like that in sportsbooks all the time. Sportsbooks were and are the gathering areas for the shady characters. People who have had success gambling in Nevada find out quickly that there are short cuts, that it's not as difficult as outsiders want to believe. You aren't limited to table game true odds or giving 11/10 on sporting events. Casinos make mistakes and have vulnerabilities. Tons of them. The specifics change but the weaknesses are always there. Different guys make different choices, which lead some to trouble and others to exploding bankrolls.

From '90 to '93 I often played overpaying poker machines. I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. I was merely playing machines that were nicely generous. These were quarter machines, almost without exception. Some dropped the coins automatically while others had a credit button that had to be pushed for the payout. Video poker was exploding in that era. There were dozens if not hundreds of those machines in every casino. All you had to do was go machine to machine and check the payout. In the vast majority of cases, the payout would be correct. Move on. But maybe 1 or 2% of the time you'd find a friendly machine. And he might be your friend for hours or weeks, depending on the casino and the caliber of the slot staff and mechanics. I was never kicked out of any joint but they eventually were wise to me at Circus Circus and Riviera. If they saw me playing a machine they knew something was up. I remember emptying the hopper at the Riviera and the slot supervisor who filled the machine for me on the previous shift came sprinting toward the machine like Renaldo Nehemiah, hurdling tables. "I just filled that machine for him!" He checked it and found what he expected. "Here's your fill, sir. This machine is now out of order. " He tossed the 18 quarters onto the floor.

Some employees were like that. They took it personally when they discovered the payout was generous, and realized why you had been there for the past week. I was hardly the only one doing this. I wondered how my friend John could be broke one day and making a $550 wager the next day. He tipped me toward the machines, even giving me some of his leftovers so I could get the hang of it.

I mention this partially because Laughlin was the home of the most inept slot personnel and mechanics I ever saw during that stretch. I'd wake up in Las Vegas and yawn, deciding whether I had the energy to drive to Laughlin and fill my wallet with 3 or 4 fills. The fills on a quarter machine could be $100 or $200, depending on the casino. Obviously you prioritized the spots with $200 fills. There was one graveyard shift change booth lady at the Edgewater who noticed that I was having an unusual stretch of luck. "Oh, so you won big again?" she asked, as I handed her another full bucket of quarters to be redeemed. I knew to watch out for her. Sure enough, she sicked a slot mechanic on me. He sat behind my machine for a full half hour. So what. I played it normally, without cashing out. Then I moved to a nearby machine. He lost interest in me completely, and ignored what the slot booth lady reported. That was Laughlin caliber in those days. Completely different level than Las Vegas. It's probably similar today. I first saw how out of touch they were in spring 1985, when the Edgewater sportsbook was literally 30 points off on both totals for the Final Four. They were booking 131 on Villanova vs. Memphis while Las Vegas was using 102. I had a party on that one. They were moving it 1 point at a time when I bet the limit. If they had moved it 5 points at a time I still would have kept going.

That's the Laughlin I know. Too many people watch the Oceans movies and fall for the propaganda, that the casinos see everything and know everything. Meanwhile, they are life and death to have the employees show up on time and not scheme to rip them off. I know undercover security guys at a couple of casinos who still laugh at those Oceans movies, every time they are sent on the latest goose chase thanks to the eye in the sky.

As I posted many years ago, the Laughlin area is quite desolate and seemingly the perfect area to dispose of a body. It's a steep descent out of the mountains to the one strip of casino land in Laughlin. Also, the biggest dirt bags who frequent Las Vegas are known to head to Laughlin for a quickie robbery or worse. That could have been Jean Moore's fate.