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Dislimb · 02-01-2007, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger

AVERMAN is a terrific barometer. Whenever I see his name as the most recent post, bumping an old thread, I know the case has been Tubed.

Co-sign.

AVERMAN · 02-01-2007, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger

AVERMAN is a terrific barometer. Whenever I see his name as the most recent post, bumping an old thread, I know the case has been Tubed.

No, it's an illuuuuuuuusion, wooooooo!!!!

kadrmas15 · 02-02-2007, 06:23 PM

Yes, sadly Jeremy was most likely murdered. What I still cant figure out though is why these pathetic people would want to murder a 14 year old boy. If it was in fact the shooting thing at the swimming hole than it might not have been intentional but these guys were just being jerks and were just shooting their gun aimlessly and hit him. It is just amazing to me how people are so scared of some of these people that they do not rat them out even after over 20 years. But as we have seen with Gus Hoffman some of these people want to help but are just scared to death of the people that actually did the killing.

DarkDante · 02-02-2007, 08:11 PM

^ Well I'm not sure if thats the way it went down (with Jeremy dying due to being shot in the swimming hole although I'm leaning towards that possibility)

But if watching "Alpha Dog" and following the JJH case closely for the past few years has taught me anything is that young people when confronted with a dire situation that may have begun rather benignly when compared with the final result, (JJH for example probably didn't intend for Nick Markowitz to be killed from the moment he abducted him and these local toughs probably didn't go down to the swimming hole intending to murder someone that day) will usually attempt to save their own hides rather than attempt to rectify the situation.

This dogma leads to a lot of "Unsolved Mysteries" cases ranging from Jeremy Bright to JJH to Kurt Sova to Jenny Pratt. All of these tragedies could've easily been avoided if one of these kids had slowed down and said "Hey this probably isn't the best idea here" (this is especially true in the JJH & Jenny Pratt cases where juvenile antics, esclated and went horribly, horribly wrong)

In the case of Jeremy Bright I can easily see these fools going down to the swimming hole, trying to torment some younger kids, thinking that they wouldn't hurt anyone but could just throw a scare into them by shooting indiscriminately into the water. The problem was that they screwed up and someone got seriously hurt and eventually died due to their actions.

I'm sure that these fools may have tried to nurse Jeremy back to health and maybe even felt extreme remorse after the fact but would not take him for medical attention or turn themselves in because nobody wants to face life in prison or the gas chamber.

If the other theory brought forth in the segment (Bright overdosing at a party after having a beer laced with a drug) is true then I can easily see a similar thing occuring where Bright is given this laced beer (or some type of drug) and due to his heart problems drops dead at the party. The other kids at the party panic, the people who gave him the beer obviously panic because now they are looking at murder charges, the host of the party is panicing because there are laws regarding serving alcohol to minors in your home of course now compounded with the fact that this kid has just died from a drug overdose.

I'm sure everyone at that party was horrified and it probably haunts them to this day. But I'm sure that some sort of pact was made that everyone kept their mouth shut on what happened and they probably disposed of Jeremy's body that night. I can see a very similar thing happening to Kurt Sova, with the only difference between the two cases being that whomever was resposible for Kurt's death wanted his body found for whatever reason.

There is certainly a line that can be drawn between the actions (or rather reaction) of JJH and his friends after they found out they could go to jail due to their kidnapping of Nick Markowitz and the actions of the kids in the Pratt, Sova and Bright segments and that is total panic. The kids did a stupid thing which ended up in a horrible ending far worse then they could've imagined. These kids were all around the same age and nobody wants to throw their life away at 17 and end up spending the bulk of their adult life in prison (or worse be sent to death) for one stupid action.

So...they cover it up. The only difference in these earlier cases vs. the JJH case is there isn't a "Susan Hartunian" to rat the entire gang out after the fact which would lead to some arrests. In the case of Bright of course some physical evidence would also have to be found to prove that Bright is dead of course to bolster any type of accusation.

PS: You can add Russ Evans to the aforementioned. Even though I didn't get into it - I'm sure he died as a result of some bonehead kids too.

DarkDante · 02-06-2007, 03:03 AM

I just rewatched this case and I have to wonder if Johnny Fish knows more than he is telling? - He returned to his sister's apartment overwrought with fear but didn't want to explain?

Why not? - Its interesting this avenue was not explored more throughly. It had to have been of some importance to be included in the segment.

crystaldawn · 02-06-2007, 06:06 PM

Love your avatar Dante....finally a UM themed one!!

LooksLikeCRicci · 02-06-2007, 06:16 PM

I know his avatar is UM-themed, but I'm having problems placing who they are... they look awfully familiar, though...

crystaldawn · 02-06-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

I know his avatar is UM-themed, but I'm having problems placing who they are... they look awfully familiar, though...

Well if you look closely you'll see the one on the right looks VERY familiar...

DarkDante · 02-06-2007, 07:17 PM

^ Stop telling tales Crystaldawn, those two pictures are there together just by coincidence...just by coincidence

kadrmas15 · 02-07-2007, 01:02 AM

Haha, Dante, nice, Danny Wheeler aka "just by coincidence, just by coincidence, sure it was, sure it was, and I'm Michael Jordan too, I used to play for the Chicago Bulls."

LooksLikeCRicci · 02-07-2007, 03:47 AM

DANNY WHEELER! I initially thought it was my buddy Paul Pollis, but I couldn't figure out WHY Michael Jordan was in the picture with him.

That's bad ass, Dark Dante. Well done.

Awsi Dooger · 02-07-2007, 03:52 AM

UM should update that segment also; "...I used to play for the Washington Wizards."

SP4CE INV4DERZ · 02-08-2007, 02:49 AM

Yes it's a good avatar DarkDante. I got a confession tho, I hate basketball so when I first saw it, I immediately recognized Wheeler and I wondered for a while who the other guy was.

The Third Man · 03-21-2007, 07:37 PM

Hi...my wife and I have been fans of Unsolved Mysteries for years, and we've been re-introduced to the show in a way by the YouTube postings.

We watched the Jeremy Bright segment tonight, and we were both struck by something. Jeremy Bright's mom said that his stepdad hadn't seen him in two days before she came to find him. Now my wife has a son and daughter from a previous marriage; though they aren't 14, I can't imagine that we'd be too happy if their dad had one of them for a visit and when we came to pick them up his response was "Oh, I don't know, I haven't seen them for two days."

Jeremy Bright's mom also said that when she came to pick him up, his wallet and digital watch were in the house (I assume the stepdad's house). Now back then digital watches were really expensive and teenage boys (like myself at the time) treated them like gold. I can't imagine that he would have gone to the fair or anywhere else without those two items.

The stories of "neighborhood thugs" don't seem valid to us. Frankly they sound like BS made up by local kids: they're three completely different stories ("drugged at a party!" "shot at the swimming hole!" "beat up somehow!"). The fact that one or more local thugs seem to appear in more than one story doesn't mean much. It sounds like a set of rumors that took off: "Hey, maybe that mean guy had something to do with it! Wonder how it happened!" Finally, in both of the fleshed-out stories (the party and the swimming hole) there were a lot of people around. Eventually people talk: they move away or they stand up to the toughs. I have a hard time believing that nobody has spoken up in years.

To us the most likely theory is this: the stepdad had something to do with it. The most likely explanation for Jeremy's wallet and watch being at the stepdad's house is that that's the last place he was. Even the most lax of non-custodial parents is going to notice a missing 14-year-old, so why didn't he report the missing kid earlier? We thought it was also telling that the stepdad didn't contribute to the segment--you'd think that the last person in the family known to have seen someone alive would be willing to talk. As for Jeremy's friend being "scared" on the night Jeremy went missing: I have an easier time believing that he saw the stepdad do something to Jeremy. No wonder he wouldn't talk to the other family members!

Sorry for the long post, but I have a hard time buying the "neighborhood toughs" theory. If the various "unnamed" witnesses had come up with one story, sure. But two or three different ones? At least one of them is lying through their teeth...and probably all of them are.

DarkDante · 03-21-2007, 09:00 PM

^ I need to re-watch the segment again but I've always noticed there was something funny regarding the timeline of events in this case from when Jeremy went missing to what was plausible regarding exactly HOW he went missing.

Has it ever been determined what time exactly Jeremy went missing - I remember the segment noting that Jeremy and his friend Johnny Fish were last seen walking around the fair before Jeremy disappeared but what time was this? - Was it during the day or in the evening.

There seem to be some obvious holes here in the timeline of events.

02-02-2007, 08:11 PM	#19
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	^ Well I'm not sure if thats the way it went down (with Jeremy dying due to being shot in the swimming hole although I'm leaning towards that possibility) But if watching "Alpha Dog" and following the JJH case closely for the past few years has taught me anything is that young people when confronted with a dire situation that may have begun rather benignly when compared with the final result, (JJH for example probably didn't intend for Nick Markowitz to be killed from the moment he abducted him and these local toughs probably didn't go down to the swimming hole intending to murder someone that day) will usually attempt to save their own hides rather than attempt to rectify the situation. This dogma leads to a lot of "Unsolved Mysteries" cases ranging from Jeremy Bright to JJH to Kurt Sova to Jenny Pratt. All of these tragedies could've easily been avoided if one of these kids had slowed down and said "Hey this probably isn't the best idea here" (this is especially true in the JJH & Jenny Pratt cases where juvenile antics, esclated and went horribly, horribly wrong) In the case of Jeremy Bright I can easily see these fools going down to the swimming hole, trying to torment some younger kids, thinking that they wouldn't hurt anyone but could just throw a scare into them by shooting indiscriminately into the water. The problem was that they screwed up and someone got seriously hurt and eventually died due to their actions. I'm sure that these fools may have tried to nurse Jeremy back to health and maybe even felt extreme remorse after the fact but would not take him for medical attention or turn themselves in because nobody wants to face life in prison or the gas chamber. If the other theory brought forth in the segment (Bright overdosing at a party after having a beer laced with a drug) is true then I can easily see a similar thing occuring where Bright is given this laced beer (or some type of drug) and due to his heart problems drops dead at the party. The other kids at the party panic, the people who gave him the beer obviously panic because now they are looking at murder charges, the host of the party is panicing because there are laws regarding serving alcohol to minors in your home of course now compounded with the fact that this kid has just died from a drug overdose. I'm sure everyone at that party was horrified and it probably haunts them to this day. But I'm sure that some sort of pact was made that everyone kept their mouth shut on what happened and they probably disposed of Jeremy's body that night. I can see a very similar thing happening to Kurt Sova, with the only difference between the two cases being that whomever was resposible for Kurt's death wanted his body found for whatever reason. There is certainly a line that can be drawn between the actions (or rather reaction) of JJH and his friends after they found out they could go to jail due to their kidnapping of Nick Markowitz and the actions of the kids in the Pratt, Sova and Bright segments and that is total panic. The kids did a stupid thing which ended up in a horrible ending far worse then they could've imagined. These kids were all around the same age and nobody wants to throw their life away at 17 and end up spending the bulk of their adult life in prison (or worse be sent to death) for one stupid action. So...they cover it up. The only difference in these earlier cases vs. the JJH case is there isn't a "Susan Hartunian" to rat the entire gang out after the fact which would lead to some arrests. In the case of Bright of course some physical evidence would also have to be found to prove that Bright is dead of course to bolster any type of accusation. PS: You can add Russ Evans to the aforementioned. Even though I didn't get into it - I'm sure he died as a result of some bonehead kids too.
	Last edited by DarkDante; 02-02-2007 at 09:18 PM.

03-21-2007, 07:37 PM	#29
The Third Man Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 21, 2007 Posts: 92	Another theory Hi...my wife and I have been fans of Unsolved Mysteries for years, and we've been re-introduced to the show in a way by the YouTube postings. We watched the Jeremy Bright segment tonight, and we were both struck by something. Jeremy Bright's mom said that his stepdad hadn't seen him in two days before she came to find him. Now my wife has a son and daughter from a previous marriage; though they aren't 14, I can't imagine that we'd be too happy if their dad had one of them for a visit and when we came to pick them up his response was "Oh, I don't know, I haven't seen them for two days." Jeremy Bright's mom also said that when she came to pick him up, his wallet and digital watch were in the house (I assume the stepdad's house). Now back then digital watches were really expensive and teenage boys (like myself at the time) treated them like gold. I can't imagine that he would have gone to the fair or anywhere else without those two items. The stories of "neighborhood thugs" don't seem valid to us. Frankly they sound like BS made up by local kids: they're three completely different stories ("drugged at a party!" "shot at the swimming hole!" "beat up somehow!"). The fact that one or more local thugs seem to appear in more than one story doesn't mean much. It sounds like a set of rumors that took off: "Hey, maybe that mean guy had something to do with it! Wonder how it happened!" Finally, in both of the fleshed-out stories (the party and the swimming hole) there were a lot of people around. Eventually people talk: they move away or they stand up to the toughs. I have a hard time believing that nobody has spoken up in years. To us the most likely theory is this: the stepdad had something to do with it. The most likely explanation for Jeremy's wallet and watch being at the stepdad's house is that that's the last place he was. Even the most lax of non-custodial parents is going to notice a missing 14-year-old, so why didn't he report the missing kid earlier? We thought it was also telling that the stepdad didn't contribute to the segment--you'd think that the last person in the family known to have seen someone alive would be willing to talk. As for Jeremy's friend being "scared" on the night Jeremy went missing: I have an easier time believing that he saw the stepdad do something to Jeremy. No wonder he wouldn't talk to the other family members! Sorry for the long post, but I have a hard time buying the "neighborhood toughs" theory. If the various "unnamed" witnesses had come up with one story, sure. But two or three different ones? At least one of them is lying through their teeth...and probably all of them are.

02-02-2007, 06:23 PM	#18
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Yes, sadly Jeremy was most likely murdered. What I still cant figure out though is why these pathetic people would want to murder a 14 year old boy. If it was in fact the shooting thing at the swimming hole than it might not have been intentional but these guys were just being jerks and were just shooting their gun aimlessly and hit him. It is just amazing to me how people are so scared of some of these people that they do not rat them out even after over 20 years. But as we have seen with Gus Hoffman some of these people want to help but are just scared to death of the people that actually did the killing.

02-06-2007, 03:03 AM	#20
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	I just rewatched this case and I have to wonder if Johnny Fish knows more than he is telling? - He returned to his sister's apartment overwrought with fear but didn't want to explain? Why not? - Its interesting this avenue was not explored more throughly. It had to have been of some importance to be included in the segment.

02-06-2007, 06:06 PM	#21
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	Love your avatar Dante....finally a UM themed one!!

02-06-2007, 06:16 PM	#22
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	I know his avatar is UM-themed, but I'm having problems placing who they are... they look awfully familiar, though...

02-06-2007, 07:17 PM	#24
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	^ Stop telling tales Crystaldawn, those two pictures are there together just by coincidence...just by coincidence

02-07-2007, 01:02 AM	#25
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Haha, Dante, nice, Danny Wheeler aka "just by coincidence, just by coincidence, sure it was, sure it was, and I'm Michael Jordan too, I used to play for the Chicago Bulls."

02-07-2007, 03:47 AM	#26
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	DANNY WHEELER! I initially thought it was my buddy Paul Pollis, but I couldn't figure out WHY Michael Jordan was in the picture with him. That's bad ass, Dark Dante. Well done.

02-07-2007, 03:52 AM	#27
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	UM should update that segment also; "...I used to play for the Washington Wizards."

02-08-2007, 02:49 AM	#28
SP4CE INV4DERZ 40-0 0WN3D Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2004 Posts: 630	Yes it's a good avatar DarkDante. I got a confession tho, I hate basketball so when I first saw it, I immediately recognized Wheeler and I wondered for a while who the other guy was.

03-21-2007, 09:00 PM	#30
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	^ I need to re-watch the segment again but I've always noticed there was something funny regarding the timeline of events in this case from when Jeremy went missing to what was plausible regarding exactly HOW he went missing. Has it ever been determined what time exactly Jeremy went missing - I remember the segment noting that Jeremy and his friend Johnny Fish were last seen walking around the fair before Jeremy disappeared but what time was this? - Was it during the day or in the evening. There seem to be some obvious holes here in the timeline of events.