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Miller15 · 07-07-2001, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by coily2:

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I used to consider myself a fan of Everclear, but this song disgusts me. They destroyed a classic, and a whole generation of little MTV teeny-boppers are going to forever think that's the way that song is supposed to sound. One day they'll hear the Van Morrison version and say to their friend, "Whoever did this screwed up this song."

I really hate it when big MTV bands cover songs. Its an act of laziness and sometimes of desperation. They want to stay popular and in the public's eye, but rather than writing their own songs, they borrow someone else's tried and true song.

YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!! Oh man, it could not have been said any better than that, coily2!!! I almost started busting heads when someone said to me, "Steven Tyler is a genius for writing 'Come Together.'" Although, I have nothing against Aerosmith, just the ignorance of some people. Maddness and utter chaos would have ensued if I heard someone say that they thought "Sweet Dreams" was a Marilyn Manson original. I don't know, I'm just real big on giving credit where credit is due, you know?

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Penny Lane · 07-07-2001, 08:17 PM

How about OzzY and
Black Sabbath's "Paranoid"? Cool!

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Devon King · 07-08-2001, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Miller15:
Maddness and utter chaos would have ensued if I heard someone say that they thought "Sweet Dreams" was a Marilyn Manson original. I don't know, I'm just real big on giving credit where credit is due, you know?

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While we're on the subject of lack of originality and giving credit to the folk who came up with the original songs and melodies .. *mini-rant warning!*

I am beyond sick of talentless, studio-created performers "sampling" the best licks from older songs and then spinning out some recycled "hey-dig-me-ain't-I-cool?" neo-pop version that jumps straight up the charts and convinces the younger audience that these McSongs are original thoughts and creations!

Cover the song if you must -- but don't cannibalize it, add some processed cheese and expect me to buy it.

(*ahem!* Woah, got a little carried away there, sorry!)

Love all the fab classic tune talk! Keep going with the lessons!

Cokies · 07-09-2001, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by Devon King:

Cover the song if you must -- but don't cannibalize it, add some processed cheese and expect me to buy it.

Exactly! I mean, the covers that are 'good' are usually live, and done in honor of the original band or artist.
That can NOT be said of Britney Spears recent HORRIFIC cover of the Stones' "Satisfaction" . If anything is cannalbalism, it's that single.

Miller15 · 07-09-2001, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Devon King:
I am beyond sick of talentless, studio-created performers "sampling" the best licks from older songs and then spinning out some recycled "hey-dig-me-ain't-I-cool?" neo-pop version that jumps straight up the charts and convinces the younger audience that these McSongs are original thoughts and creations!

Perfect. All I can say is perfect.

coily2 · 07-09-2001, 07:22 AM

AMEN, Devon King.

K-RAD MTV Bands suck. Period.

lesliem14 · 07-10-2001, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by Cokies:
That can NOT be said of Britney Spears recent HORRIFIC cover of the Stones' "Satisfaction" . If anything is cannalbalism, it's that single.

Oh lord -I was really trying to pretend that she ever did that or that she existed....

triple19 · 07-10-2001, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Devon King:
I am beyond sick of talentless, studio-created performers "sampling" the best licks from older songs and then spinning out some recycled "hey-dig-me-ain't-I-cool?" neo-pop version that jumps straight up the charts and convinces the younger audience that these McSongs are original thoughts and creations!

Cover the song if you must -- but don't cannibalize it, add some processed cheese and expect me to buy it.

That's exactly why I don't watch MTV or bother to listen to TOP 40 music stations anymore. I'll take VH1 and classic rock/classic oldies radio anytime over the McPop of N'Sync or Britney Spears. As far as I'm concerned, thier stuff ain't music. It's manufactured garbage.

Mossopp · 07-10-2001, 04:42 PM

Someone referred to Britney's cover of 'Satisfaction' as "cannibalism". While I am inclined to agree, I wish to put forward an even more brutal dissection of a classic song -

The abominable cover of 'Sweet Child O' Mine" by Sheryl Crow.

HOW COULD SHE DO THAT?!!!!!!

I was sick after hearing what she did to that wonderful song!

Miller15 · 07-10-2001, 08:22 PM

AAAHHHH! Please, do NOT remind me of such heinous things!

I am SO glad that I've found some people who agree with me about these ungodly rip-offs. I was scared for a while that my sister and I were the only ones who ranted for hours about this! You guys rock!

Bootsy Whoosh · 07-18-2001, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Mossopp:
Someone referred to Britney's cover of 'Satisfaction' as "cannibalism". While I am inclined to agree, I wish to put forward an even more brutal dissection of a classic song -

The abominable cover of 'Sweet Child O' Mine" by Sheryl Crow.

HOW COULD SHE DO THAT?!!!!!!

I was sick after hearing what she did to that wonderful song!

Gag! I like Sheryl Crow and all, but I agree, this should never have happened.

Speaking of Guns N' Roses though, I love them too and all, but I'm not a huge fan of their cover of Mama Kin. It could've been alot worse, but the original is leaps and bounds better. Of course originals are almost always better.

FolFanatic151 · 07-21-2001, 04:46 PM

Hey, I skimmed this post and saw some stuff about the Monkees. I just went to a Monkees concert on Thursday (minus Michael Naismith...maybe he thought that cool green hat made him too good for the Monkees

)! It was soooo great! They all actually looked pretty good (except Micky Dolenz had a pretty bad comb-over.) Just thought I'd tell you people. Also, I swear Micky was looking at me during "I'm Not Your Steppin' Stone"

coily2 · 07-22-2001, 10:19 AM

I think that an argument can be made that the Monkees were the original fabricated boy band. they were created for the sole purpose of riding in the wake of the Beatles success. Why do you think they were called "The pre-fab four"?

FolFanatic151 · 07-22-2001, 12:29 PM

Speaking of the Monkees being a boy's band, after the opening band (some wanna-be *Nsync/Backstreet Boys) Peter Tork got all hunched over and talked like he had no teeth and was like, "We used to be a boy's band." It was pretty funny...I guess you had to be there...I don't know.

triple19 · 07-23-2001, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by coily2:
I think that an argument can be made that the Monkees were the original fabricated boy band. they were created for the sole purpose of riding in the wake of the Beatles success. Why do you think they were called "The pre-fab four"?

I agree with you there, Coily. But but unlike the Backstreet Boys, N'sync, or the other boy-bands out there today, the Monkees weren't ripping off other peoples music and passing it off as thier own. In fact, they had some of the best singer-songwriters such as Neil Diamond and Carol King writing songs for them.

In fact,they were all singers and/or musicians. Mike Nesmith was a folk singer. Peter Tork was classically trained on several instruments. Micky Dolenz played in a rock band called Micky and the One Nighters before his Monkee days. And Davy Jones had starred on Broadway in the musical "Oliver!" prior to the Monkees.

Also, unlike the boy-bands out there today, the guys got sick of being musically controlled by the system that created them in the first place. They fought to play thier own instruments. After that they wrote, played, and produced thier own records. Some of those albums were quite good, and they still had hit songs. Mind you, at the same time while they were doing this, the guys were in a weekly TV show as well. Has any boy-band (other than maybe the Partrige family) to date, equalled that feat?

And consider this, thirty plus years after they started, the Monkees still have a huge following, and still have sell out concerts. Will the Backstreet Boys or N'sync still have the kind of appeal and success that the Monkees have had 30 years from now? I don't know. Time will tell.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.

(By the way, if it isn't obvious by now, I am a big fan of the Monkees)

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07-07-2001, 08:17 PM	#17
Penny Lane Butter Pie Forum Icon Join Date: Jul 03, 2001 Location: Beneath the blue suburban skies Posts: 51,465	How about OzzY and Black Sabbath's "Paranoid"? Cool! [This message has been edited by NEWHART FAN (edited 07-07-2001).] [This message has been edited by NEWHART FAN (edited 07-08-2001).]

07-09-2001, 07:22 AM	#21
coily2 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 28, 2000 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 969	AMEN, Devon King. K-RAD MTV Bands suck. Period.

07-10-2001, 04:42 PM	#24
Mossopp asleep at the wheel Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 30, 2000 Location: Helensburgh, Scotland Posts: 3,726	Someone referred to Britney's cover of 'Satisfaction' as "cannibalism". While I am inclined to agree, I wish to put forward an even more brutal dissection of a classic song - The abominable cover of 'Sweet Child O' Mine" by Sheryl Crow. HOW COULD SHE DO THAT?!!!!!! I was sick after hearing what she did to that wonderful song!

07-10-2001, 08:22 PM	#25
Miller15 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 12, 2001 Posts: 141	AAAHHHH! Please, do NOT remind me of such heinous things! I am SO glad that I've found some people who agree with me about these ungodly rip-offs. I was scared for a while that my sister and I were the only ones who ranted for hours about this! You guys rock!

07-21-2001, 04:46 PM	#27
FolFanatic151 Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2001 Posts: 1,019	Hey, I skimmed this post and saw some stuff about the Monkees. I just went to a Monkees concert on Thursday (minus Michael Naismith...maybe he thought that cool green hat made him too good for the Monkees )! It was soooo great! They all actually looked pretty good (except Micky Dolenz had a pretty bad comb-over.) Just thought I'd tell you people. Also, I swear Micky was looking at me during "I'm Not Your Steppin' Stone"

07-22-2001, 10:19 AM	#28
coily2 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 28, 2000 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 969	I think that an argument can be made that the Monkees were the original fabricated boy band. they were created for the sole purpose of riding in the wake of the Beatles success. Why do you think they were called "The pre-fab four"?

07-22-2001, 12:29 PM	#29
FolFanatic151 Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2001 Posts: 1,019	Speaking of the Monkees being a boy's band, after the opening band (some wanna-be *Nsync/Backstreet Boys) Peter Tork got all hunched over and talked like he had no teeth and was like, "We used to be a boy's band." It was pretty funny...I guess you had to be there...I don't know.