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Arnold_OldSchool · 04-08-2008, 12:54 AM

Just watched this today, and my god I was so angry at those 2 who saw Eileen call out. I guess its slightly less bothersome knowing it didn't quite play out as UM showed. Then you read the murderer was let FREE!!!

Augh!!!!!!!!

kadrmas15 · 04-08-2008, 01:27 AM

Well in this case I am torn. It stinks that the guy that did the crime was acquitted. But at the same time, a jury either acquits or convicts with what they are given at the time. I do think the judge did the right thing in not allowing the prior bad acts in. However whether or not this guy is a career criminal is really a moot point. The jurors on this case must not have been particularly bright. I get how your average person can be overwhelmed by certain types of forensic evidence. However if you are told that DNA on a dead woman matches a given suspect, what is so hard to understand? I mean, do people need to be told the guy had 17 prior convictions to convict a guy of murder when there is DNA matching him?

I am assuming when confronted the guy said he didnt know her, never had sex with her, etc. Being a career criminal he probably denied everything and held up well under police questioning because he was so used to it. Either that or he claimed his DNA was there because he had consensual sex with Mangold.

But again. this is a perfect example of a jury simply being overwhelmed by evidence they dont understand except in this instance instead of convicting which is what they do over 95 percent of the time, they acquitted the guy. But still, I dont really have a lot of sympathy for the jurors. You are told a guy's DNA is on a dead woman, yet you for whatever reason dont understand it. I was also not too happy with the fact they said they would give the guy a chair because he had 17 prior convictions. Just because a guy has 17 prior convictions doesnt make him a murderer automatically. The fact his DNA is present on a dead woman though, unless he has some great explaination for why it is there you have your murderer.

There are many cases where people are wrongfully convicted of murder because they had multiple prior felony convictions. It amazes me some people try to argue that this is acceptable because they werent pillars of society and had prior felony convictions. However I do feel bad for Eileen Mangold's family as they know who did the crime and they also know he isnt in prison for it. It sounds like Smith didnt just kill her, that would be bad enough, but he didnt just get it over with, from what the cops said in the segment, she was brutally beaten, I cant imagine how savage, nor do I care to find out.

SageSlowdive · 06-18-2010, 12:55 PM

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!

Well, cant expect much from Florida...

Well, I believe in KARMA, and I hope Franklin Smith gets what's coming to him...

Kane · 06-18-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SageSlowdive

Well, I believe in KARMA, and I hope Franklin Smith gets what's coming to him...

If it could happen to OJ Simpson, then it could certainly happen to Franklin Smith.

SageSlowdive · 06-18-2010, 06:56 PM

True....

kadrmas15 · 06-18-2010, 08:09 PM

Well though, I wouldn't compare these two trials. Smith, a poor defendant, probably having to use a public defender or a lower level retained lawyer versus Simpson and the dream team. Plus Simpson had the whole scandal of the Rodney King beating cops being acquitted and I have long felt that was payback by the black community as the majority of the jurors in Simpson's case were black.

kadrmas15 · 06-18-2010, 08:10 PM

But Florida, it is such a corrupt state, most men proven innocent in the country right there. So yeah, a rarity that a jury would get it wrong in acquitting a guy that almost certainly did what he was accused of and there is strong physical evidence to prove it.

SageSlowdive · 06-19-2010, 12:38 AM

I mean, I simply can not believe it.

They found his semen on her body...last time I check, semen just doesn't get on bodies.

Kane · 06-21-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kadrmas15

Well though, I wouldn't compare these two trials. Smith, a poor defendant, probably having to use a public defender or a lower level retained lawyer versus Simpson and the dream team. Plus Simpson had the whole scandal of the Rodney King beating cops being acquitted and I have long felt that was payback by the black community as the majority of the jurors in Simpson's case were black.

The irony is that OJ basically turned his back on the black community long before the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. But as former LA prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi noted in his book Outrage: The Five Reasons Why OJ Simpson Got Away With Murder, there are other contributing factors that resulted in OJ's acquittal.

One of those reasons is that a lot of the evidence was never introduced in the criminal trial. This included the tape recorded interrogation in which Simpson made a number of incriminating statements, such as his answer about the deep cut on one of his fingers. During a TV interview on Geraldo Rivera's now-defunct CNBC talk show in 1995, Bugliosi called that "strong circumstantial evidence of guilt."

Another piece of evidence that Bugliosi believed should have been introduced was the "suicide" letter Simpson wrote before he took off. He said it "reeks" with guilt, and has challenged anyone to name an innocent person being accused of murder who would write a letter like that.

If you haven't read Outrage: The Five Reasons Why OJ Simpson Got Away With Murder, then you should. It is so detailed that you end up learning how the Simpson verdict could (and should) have been different. In addition, you can tell by reading the book that Vincent Bugliosi pulls no punches.

SageSlowdive · 01-08-2011, 05:38 PM

Just saw this again - and this case makes me so, incredibly angry. To know this worthless piece of scum got away with it...

RoxyGirl · 07-27-2015, 11:43 AM

Hey Crystaldawn! Are you still here?

crystaldawn · 07-27-2015, 12:44 PM

Yes I'm here.

RoxyGirl · 07-27-2015, 01:12 PM

Great!! I'm going to send you a message.

TheCars1986 · 06-18-2025, 09:58 AM

I can't believe I had never seen this segment until today. One of the most terrifying segments I've seen. Also cannot believe her killer was acquitted.

SageSlowdive · 06-29-2025, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I can't believe I had never seen this segment until today. One of the most terrifying segments I've seen. Also cannot believe her killer was acquitted.

This segment upsets me to this day...never get murdered in Florida.

04-08-2008, 01:27 AM	#17
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Well in this case I am torn. It stinks that the guy that did the crime was acquitted. But at the same time, a jury either acquits or convicts with what they are given at the time. I do think the judge did the right thing in not allowing the prior bad acts in. However whether or not this guy is a career criminal is really a moot point. The jurors on this case must not have been particularly bright. I get how your average person can be overwhelmed by certain types of forensic evidence. However if you are told that DNA on a dead woman matches a given suspect, what is so hard to understand? I mean, do people need to be told the guy had 17 prior convictions to convict a guy of murder when there is DNA matching him? I am assuming when confronted the guy said he didnt know her, never had sex with her, etc. Being a career criminal he probably denied everything and held up well under police questioning because he was so used to it. Either that or he claimed his DNA was there because he had consensual sex with Mangold. But again. this is a perfect example of a jury simply being overwhelmed by evidence they dont understand except in this instance instead of convicting which is what they do over 95 percent of the time, they acquitted the guy. But still, I dont really have a lot of sympathy for the jurors. You are told a guy's DNA is on a dead woman, yet you for whatever reason dont understand it. I was also not too happy with the fact they said they would give the guy a chair because he had 17 prior convictions. Just because a guy has 17 prior convictions doesnt make him a murderer automatically. The fact his DNA is present on a dead woman though, unless he has some great explaination for why it is there you have your murderer. There are many cases where people are wrongfully convicted of murder because they had multiple prior felony convictions. It amazes me some people try to argue that this is acceptable because they werent pillars of society and had prior felony convictions. However I do feel bad for Eileen Mangold's family as they know who did the crime and they also know he isnt in prison for it. It sounds like Smith didnt just kill her, that would be bad enough, but he didnt just get it over with, from what the cops said in the segment, she was brutally beaten, I cant imagine how savage, nor do I care to find out.
	Last edited by kadrmas15; 04-08-2008 at 01:42 AM.

04-08-2008, 12:54 AM	#16
Arnold_OldSchool Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 681	Just watched this today, and my god I was so angry at those 2 who saw Eileen call out. I guess its slightly less bothersome knowing it didn't quite play out as UM showed. Then you read the murderer was let FREE!!! Augh!!!!!!!!

06-18-2010, 12:55 PM	#18
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 659	ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?! Well, cant expect much from Florida... Well, I believe in KARMA, and I hope Franklin Smith gets what's coming to him...

06-18-2010, 06:56 PM	#20
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 659	True....

06-18-2010, 08:09 PM	#21
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Well though, I wouldn't compare these two trials. Smith, a poor defendant, probably having to use a public defender or a lower level retained lawyer versus Simpson and the dream team. Plus Simpson had the whole scandal of the Rodney King beating cops being acquitted and I have long felt that was payback by the black community as the majority of the jurors in Simpson's case were black.

06-18-2010, 08:10 PM	#22
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	But Florida, it is such a corrupt state, most men proven innocent in the country right there. So yeah, a rarity that a jury would get it wrong in acquitting a guy that almost certainly did what he was accused of and there is strong physical evidence to prove it.

06-19-2010, 12:38 AM	#23
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 659	I mean, I simply can not believe it. They found his semen on her body...last time I check, semen just doesn't get on bodies.

01-08-2011, 05:38 PM	#25
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 659	Just saw this again - and this case makes me so, incredibly angry. To know this worthless piece of scum got away with it...

07-27-2015, 11:43 AM	#26
RoxyGirl Member Forum Cub Join Date: Jul 27, 2015 Location: Riverview Florida Posts: 2	Hey Crystaldawn! Are you still here?

07-27-2015, 12:44 PM	#27
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	Yes I'm here.

07-27-2015, 01:12 PM	#28
RoxyGirl Member Forum Cub Join Date: Jul 27, 2015 Location: Riverview Florida Posts: 2	Great!! I'm going to send you a message.

06-18-2025, 09:58 AM	#29
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,615	I can't believe I had never seen this segment until today. One of the most terrifying segments I've seen. Also cannot believe her killer was acquitted.