Please Read: Missing & Lost Episodes

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by Lamont

i have seen 3 or 4 eps on vhs on some lists in the past, quality was low though, 6 of 10 so i passed
but a few at least are floating about

Why did you pass? And when u say in the past do you mean 2005?

[gilligan fanatic]

Originally Posted by TVResearcher

That show is probably gone. It's lasted only 2 months in 1952

yeah, that is what I assumed. To bad though, it sounds like an interesting concept.

[Lamont]

Originally Posted by TVResearcher

Why did you pass? And when u say in the past do you mean 2005?

no, this was like 2002/2003 or so, it was on a list of a guy who had an ad in the back of goldmine, dont recall who

i passed b/c the quality was bad, and i didnt know how rare it was then, BUT it is out there so keep looking

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by Lamont

no, this was like 2002/2003 or so, it was on a list of a guy who had an ad in the back of goldmine, dont recall who

i passed b/c the quality was bad, and i didnt know how rare it was then, BUT it is out there so keep looking

How many years have you been trading?

[Lamont]

tv--- ive been trading about a year or so

BUT i collected long before that

i used to buy stuff out of the back ads of goldmine and toyfair and such for years

BUT i only in the last year or so got really into trading and became aware of trading sites

(i guess im behind the times) but i used to just buy on vhs tapes through the mail and collect that way

[Lamont]

as hard as it may be to believe (and it makes me sound like a real dork) I didnt even own a computer til about 2004!

and I was in the military until then, and moved around a lot and maybe I didnt have the time to learn how to use it or to seek out trades and all

BUT when I became a civilian again, luckilly I stumbled upon this site

and the rest is history

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by Lamont

tv--- ive been trading about a year or so

BUT i collected long before that

i used to buy stuff out of the back ads of goldmine and toyfair and such for years

BUT i only in the last year or so got really into trading and became aware of trading sites

(i guess im behind the times) but i used to just buy on vhs tapes through the mail and collect that way

Going by your collection I thought you were trading for about 10 years

[Lamont]

Originally Posted by TVResearcher

Going by your collection I thought you were trading for about 10 years

this is a common misconception--

i mean, look at some of the bigger lists, like mine or Lorens (who is a fairly recent trader also), if u hustle and want to, u can compile a fairly large list quickly
I have bought some sets, I wont like--- sometimes I will buy rare sets from people who dont trade, or from online auctions
but 99% of the stuff i traded for

This is something that some newer traders do not seem to understand

I get a lot of emails from people and they send me lists, and they expect that Just because they have something that I dont, THAT SOMEHOW, I MUST WANT IT and they get offended when I say no thanks, also Most traders and myself included do NOT trade for copies of retails sets.... 99% of the time
so if u email me a list with 50 retail sets on it, Im gonna pass---

thats just how it is, nothing personal, BUT ive reached a point, where I cannot take in everything that is out there, and a lot of it (retail, cartoons) I generally do not want

there are some traders who ONLY collect shows they like and a specific genre, that is fine

there are some traders who collect a lot of stuff (like me), that is some I like, some I want for other trades, and some that I will never watch or dupe or trade at all

BUT if you want to compile a large list, you can do so in a few months or a year, just by looking around and hustling and digging up a couple of sets that are harder to come by and then trading them for other stuff and building a pyramid

PLUS i have an advantage b/c i used to tape 100s of shows myself, and i convert some from old vhs tapes

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by Lamont

this is a common misconception--

i mean, look at some of the bigger lists, like mine or Lorens (who is a fairly recent trader also), if u hustle and want to, u can compile a fairly large list quickly
I have bought some sets, I wont like--- sometimes I will buy rare sets from people who dont trade, or from online auctions
but 99% of the stuff i traded for

This is something that some newer traders do not seem to understand

I get a lot of emails from people and they send me lists, and they expect that Just because they have something that I dont, THAT SOMEHOW, I MUST WANT IT and they get offended when I say no thanks, also Most traders and myself included do NOT trade for copies of retails sets.... 99% of the time
so if u email me a list with 50 retail sets on it, Im gonna pass---

thats just how it is, nothing personal, BUT ive reached a point, where I cannot take in everything that is out there, and a lot of it (retail, cartoons) I generally do not want

there are some traders who ONLY collect shows they like and a specific genre, that is fine

there are some traders who collect a lot of stuff (like me), that is some I like, some I want for other trades, and some that I will never watch or dupe or trade at all

BUT if you want to compile a large list, you can do so in a few months or a year, just by looking around and hustling and digging up a couple of sets that are harder to come by and then trading them for other stuff and building a pyramid

PLUS i have an advantage b/c i used to tape 100s of shows myself, and i convert some from old vhs tapes

So when u reject trade offers do you tel the person what type of shows u are looking for? Well I guess you wouldn't have to because your Want list is posted on your site. But since I remember the days when I was a newbie and was turned down all the time I try to let traders know what kind of shows I'm looking for instead of just saying I see nothing I need from you. I was so pissed at rejections when I was a newbie

[tvfan0101]

Originally Posted by savageamusement

Not sure this qualifies-

But for a long time I saougth after "dead of night"

and was told the episodes were destroyed-the original copies.

Does that qualify as "missing"

Yes, that counts. Although it was a British series, not one from the States. For a list of various British shows that are missing episodes, see this website.

Originally Posted by Lamont

I know a lot of times master prints were accidentally destroyed on old shows
HOWEVER, 99% of the time
SOMEWHERE there is a copy
maybe on a local network affiliate print or kinescope or old vhs tape or so on

BUT they can be very very hard to locate

I think 99% is a rather unrealistic number especially when you go back to the 1940s and 1950s. The general cut-off for shows existing but being hard to locate seems to be 1970. In other words, it is highly unlikely that any show produced after 1970 saw episodes wiped or misplaced.

Originally Posted by gilligan fanatic

I have only seen about 10 episodes of The Good Guys out of 42 in the trading market. All but one I have is in black and white even though its a color series.

I believe The Good Guys was syndicated locally in the United States some years after it originally aired, so I imagine all the episodes are around somewhere.

Originally Posted by TVResearcher

Not sure if this show exist since it's 31 years old and never been in syndication.

"Hot L Baltimore"

All the episodes are at the UCLA Film & Television archive. Just about any show from the 1960s and 1970s that was aired on ABC is at the UCLA archive (and many from the 1950s).

Originally Posted by gilligan fanatic

Anybody ever seen "Leave it to Larry" with Eddie Albert? I haven't seen anybody to have that either.

This might be one of those shows that has slipped through the cracks. A perfect example of an early 1950s series that nobody seems to have kept track of. Supposedly, several of Rod Serling's early television credits are lost (performed live and not kinescoped). Also missing is the third pilot for All in the Family, the first Johnny Carson The Tonight Show (and most of his 1960s shows), the first two Super Bowls ... the list goes on and on.

If I could pick just one show that I hope someone finds a kinescope of in a closet somewhere, I would pick Mary Kay and Johnny. I keep hearing about a short clip having aired on a TV Land special but I have found no confirmation about it existing. If it does, that means more footage could be out there. Mary Kay and Johnny Kearns, the real-life couple behind television's first sitcom, starred in another sitcom following the cancellation of Mary Kay and Johnny. I doubt any footage from that show is known to exist either.

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by tvobscurities

Yes, that counts. Although it was a British series, not one from the States. For a list of various British shows that are missing episodes, see this website.



I think 99% is a rather unrealistic number especially when you go back to the 1940s and 1950s. The general cut-off for shows existing but being hard to locate seems to be 1970. In other words, it is highly unlikely that any show produced after 1970 saw episodes wiped or misplaced.



I believe The Good Guys was syndicated locally in the United States some years after it originally aired, so I imagine all the episodes are around somewhere.



All the episodes are at the UCLA Film & Television archive. Just about any show from the 1960s and 1970s that was aired on ABC is at the UCLA archive (and many from the 1950s).



This might be one of those shows that has slipped through the cracks. A perfect example of an early 1950s series that nobody seems to have kept track of. Supposedly, several of Rod Serling's early television credits are lost (performed live and not kinescoped). Also missing is the third pilot for All in the Family, the first Johnny Carson The Tonight Show (and most of his 1960s shows), the first two Super Bowls ... the list goes on and on.

If I could pick just one show that I hope someone finds a kinescope of in a closet somewhere, I would pick Mary Kay and Johnny. I keep hearing about a short clip having aired on a TV Land special but I have found no confirmation about it existing. If it does, that means more footage could be out there. Mary Kay and Johnny Kearns, the real-life couple behind television's first sitcom, starred in another sitcom following the cancellation of Mary Kay and Johnny. I doubt any footage from that show is known to exist either.

I know Superbowl 2 doesn't exist.

[RedWhine56]

Originally Posted by Lamont

I know a lot of times master prints were accidentally destroyed on old shows
HOWEVER, 99% of the time
SOMEWHERE there is a copy
maybe on a local network affiliate print or kinescope or old vhs tape or so on

BUT they can be very very hard to locate

That's why I leave shows on my want list. If a knowledgeable collector tells me it's not in existence, I'll make a notation in my database, but leave the show on my want list. Also, if I see something auctioned on Ebay (especially those 16 mm things), again I'll make a note that it DOES exist. You never know when someone who has a 16mm or kinescope will let loose of it or dies & it's sold as part of the estate. Heck, there are even accounts told that a studio didn't even know WHAT they had & just wanted the warehouse cleaned out. Depending upon who's doing the cleaning and/or who's diving the local dumpsters, you just never know what may show up!

[gilligan fanatic]

Originally Posted by tvobscurities

I believe The Good Guys was syndicated locally in the United States some years after it originally aired, so I imagine all the episodes are around somewhere.

I read some where that it aired in South America, it might have been your site actualy.

[tvfan0101]

Originally Posted by TVResearcher

I know Superbowl 2 doesn't exist.

Well, it is not known to exist, but that does not mean a copy is not sitting in a box under someone's bed right now. Which is the whole point of putting together a list of television programs believed to be lost forever. Who knows where a copy of Super Bowl II or the missing All in the Family pilot may be hiding.

[cooltvshows]

My LIving Doll starring My LIving Doll starring Julie Newmar. The story is that the show's creator was so enraged by the failure of hte show that he destroyed msot of the negatives. Only 6 of the 32 episodes are known to exist.