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Tiger32 · 02-06-2002, 06:37 PM

The only song that I remember after all of these years is the show's opening theme. I remember watching the Monkees on Saturday mornings, I enjoyed the comedy as much as the singing.

I still cannot believe that the Monkees rejected Mick Jagger, but I guess he got the last laugh, because he went on to great success with the Rolling Stones, while the Monkees only achieved moderate success. They are however reuniting.

LaurenStDavid · 02-10-2002, 10:09 PM

What do you mean they rejected Mick Jagger? AND, The Monkees never achieved moderate success, they were at one point bigger than the Beatles!!!
Oh yeah, my favorite song from an episode is Salesman. And I love the romp that went with it in "The Devil and Peter Tork"

Tiger32 · 02-11-2002, 08:12 PM

The Monkees have never been nor will ever be in the class with the Beatles, if you believe that, than you are living in some sort of fantasy!

I would not even mention the Monkees in the same breath with the Beatles.

Tiger32 · 02-11-2002, 08:14 PM

As far as Monkees rejecting Mick Jagger, that information came from Dick Clark. I think he would know, don't you?

LaurenStDavid · 02-11-2002, 10:45 PM

The Monkees are in the same boat as the Beatles. Back in the 60's the Monkees outsold the Beatles AND The Rolling Stones combined for a couple of years.
And no, I'm not living in a fantasy thankyouverymuch. I am entitled to my own opinion. (which also happens to be fact)

Tiger32 · 02-11-2002, 11:02 PM

A couple of years does not even make a decade, look at their whole body of work vs the Beatles and you will find that there is no comparison.

The Beatles music is timeless, and is still enjoyed by a new generation. Everyone knows who John, Paul, George and Ringo is, while most people can only recall one Monkee and that is Davey Jones.

As far as hits go, the Beatles had over 40 hits, many of them were number 1 or at the very least top 10 hits, they had another 20 or so hits as single artists, with Paul McCartney doing most of the damage as a single artist or with his group Wings. I still hear many of these songs on major radio stations. I do not hear any so-called Monkee hit records on the radio these days. If they were as a good as the beatles, don't you think they would play their music as often?

So if you want to compare the Monkees to anyone, I suggest that you choose an easier target like the Turtles, or someone whom the Monkees can easily outshine. Because there is absolutely NO WAY will they outshine the Beatles, at least not in any rational person's mind. So forget about it, because it will not happen in this lifetime.

Tiger32 · 02-13-2002, 06:43 PM

I went back and did a little research on the Monkees and to my surprise they actually had 6 top 10 hits, however what is not surprising is that they did not write any of these hit songs. Instead they relied on other writers like Neil Diamond and others to write these hits for them.

By contrast all but one of the Beatles hit records were written by one of the 4 members. The only hit that was not written by a Beatle was "Twist and Shout".

LaurenStDavid · 02-14-2002, 02:07 AM

First, I would like to point that whether The Beatles are better that the Monkees is strictly opinion. Sure The Beatles have a lot more hits, but whether they are a great band or not is based on opinion. Yes, they do recruit new young fans all the time but so do the Monkees. Just go over to themonkees.com message board and ask who there is under 20. I bet you over half. So in closing why don't we just drop this. I like the Monkees you like the Beatles and we aren't going to change each other's minds. And lastly, this debate could have done without you insulting me.

Tiger32 · 02-14-2002, 03:00 PM

As far as the Beatles being better than the Monkees goes, it is not merely conjecture on my part, instead it is the accepted opinion by virtually everyone in the music idustry.

Many musical artists cite the Beatles as being their musical influence. I don't think that very many have publicly made that claim about the Monkees. I have personally not heard of any artists giving credit to the Monkees musical talent. But I have heard a plethora of artists giving credit to the Beatles.

You made the comment that it is a matter of one's personal opinion as to which band was better. Of course it is strictly one's opinion, particularly when one like yourself has no fuel for an argument. If you had fuel for your argument, than you would not have made that statement, instead you would have presented facts that would support your claim, like I have clearly done.

The real fact is that the Monkees were nothing more than an offshoot of the Beatlemaina frenzy that dominated the 1960s. The Monkees were good singers, I will give them that, however they could not match the Beatles song writing ability.

The Beatles ability to write and perform their own music is what truly separates them from the many wantabes.

I think in your mind you know that there is no comparison between the Beatles and the Monkees, other than the fact that they were both British Bands. After that the comparison must end, because the Beatles were much better.

However, I will end this debate, because what I have said is common knowledge, anyone with a computer can research the facts about either group and draw the same conclusion, provided they do so objectively. My statements are not meant to degrade the Monkees in any way, but instead my purpose was to give you a reality check, particularly since you have been stuck in this Monkees fantasy world!

As far as going to the Monkees.com, I must respectfully decline, because I am sure that any information there will probably be skewed by deranged Monkees fans reliving their tv fantasies.

It is not about which band I like better, it is about which band was better. You were the one who chose to bring the Beatles into this discussion, by suggesting that the Monkees were better than the Beatles. That is a mistake I bet you wish you had not made. Because I exposed your skewed facts for what they really were, and provided the real facts regarding the Beatles. Facts that clearly show the real picture of the Beatles success.

Tiger32 · 02-14-2002, 11:39 PM

I was looking at the inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and I noticed that the Beatles were inducted in 1988.

But guess what group was nowhere to be found? Yep, you guessed it, the MONKEES ARE NOT in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

However, their peers are listed (i.e. the Beach Boys, the Animals, Simon and Garfunkle, the Mamas and the Papas etc.). But I did not see the Monkees anywhere. So do you still think that the Monkees are equal to the Beatles?

Or could it be that the Hall of Fame knows a thing or two about music? And perhaps they are able to separate the real thing (The Beatles) from the mere imitation (the Monkees).

I THINK THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

BECAUSE THE MONKEES WILL NEVER BE INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME.

chicagokmc · 02-25-2002, 12:45 PM

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chicagokmc · 02-25-2002, 12:49 PM

to me, the difference between the monkees and the beatles is that lennon, mccartney and harrison from the beatles are 3 of the best songwriters in the history of music, whereas the monkees rarely even wrote their own material. not to mention that the beatles performed over 10 years, the monkees barely half that.

if it means anything, the monkees were probably had a better tv and movie presence.

just MY opinion.

LaurenStDavid · 02-28-2002, 01:23 AM

You can stop posting messages to me Tiger32 because I am not reading them. I don't care. I still think the Monkees are better that the Beatles and there is nothing you can do to change my mind. I just came back because someone else posted a response and I am glad he/she stated their opinion without insulting someone. Thank you, I really appreciate it

dawsongirl · 02-28-2002, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tiger32
BECAUSE THE MONKEES WILL NEVER BE INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME.

How on earth do you know that? Are you on the induction board?

First of all, just because you aren't in the RRHOF does NOT mean you suck. I noticed that Ritchie Valens just got inducted last year- 42 years after his death. It took them awhile to induct him, so what makes you think the Monkees will NEVER get in?

Second, this IS mostly a matter of opinion. Yes, you can say the Beatles were better songwriters, or were more accomplished musically, and that's true, but a lot of it's still opinion. One person could listen to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and think it's pure genious, while another could think it's commercial trash. EVERYTHING IS OPINION. 2+2=4 is fact, the Beatles are gods and the Monkees are peasants or vice versa is an opinion no matter how you look at it.

Both bands are good and made their own little mark on the music world, even if the Beatles mark was commercially bigger. Besides, if the Monkees were as bad as you are making them out to be, no one would bother to talk about them. The fact that we're even debating this should signal that the Monkees were a somewhat reputable band.

Tiger32 · 02-28-2002, 11:09 PM

It really does not matter what you or I think, because the Monkees will never make it in, they were only a tv show. Sure they had 6 hit records, but that does not qualify them for the hall of fame.

Both Mickey and Michael have stated that they do not belong in the Hall of Fame. I believe that most people in the music industry would agree.

02-06-2002, 06:37 PM	#16
Tiger32 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 624	The only song that I remember after all of these years is the show's opening theme. I remember watching the Monkees on Saturday mornings, I enjoyed the comedy as much as the singing. I still cannot believe that the Monkees rejected Mick Jagger, but I guess he got the last laugh, because he went on to great success with the Rolling Stones, while the Monkees only achieved moderate success. They are however reuniting.
	Last edited by Tiger32; 02-06-2002 at 06:42 PM.

02-10-2002, 10:09 PM	#17
LaurenStDavid Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 10, 2002 Location: Avon-On-Calling, The Emerald City, USA Posts: 8	What do you mean they rejected Mick Jagger? AND, The Monkees never achieved moderate success, they were at one point bigger than the Beatles!!! Oh yeah, my favorite song from an episode is Salesman. And I love the romp that went with it in "The Devil and Peter Tork"
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02-11-2002, 08:12 PM	#18
Tiger32 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 624	What world are you living in? The Monkees have never been nor will ever be in the class with the Beatles, if you believe that, than you are living in some sort of fantasy! I would not even mention the Monkees in the same breath with the Beatles.

02-11-2002, 11:02 PM	#21
Tiger32 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 624	A Hard Days Night A couple of years does not even make a decade, look at their whole body of work vs the Beatles and you will find that there is no comparison. The Beatles music is timeless, and is still enjoyed by a new generation. Everyone knows who John, Paul, George and Ringo is, while most people can only recall one Monkee and that is Davey Jones. As far as hits go, the Beatles had over 40 hits, many of them were number 1 or at the very least top 10 hits, they had another 20 or so hits as single artists, with Paul McCartney doing most of the damage as a single artist or with his group Wings. I still hear many of these songs on major radio stations. I do not hear any so-called Monkee hit records on the radio these days. If they were as a good as the beatles, don't you think they would play their music as often? So if you want to compare the Monkees to anyone, I suggest that you choose an easier target like the Turtles, or someone whom the Monkees can easily outshine. Because there is absolutely NO WAY will they outshine the Beatles, at least not in any rational person's mind. So forget about it, because it will not happen in this lifetime.
	Last edited by Tiger32; 02-12-2002 at 06:10 PM.

02-14-2002, 02:07 AM	#23
LaurenStDavid Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 10, 2002 Location: Avon-On-Calling, The Emerald City, USA Posts: 8	First, I would like to point that whether The Beatles are better that the Monkees is strictly opinion. Sure The Beatles have a lot more hits, but whether they are a great band or not is based on opinion. Yes, they do recruit new young fans all the time but so do the Monkees. Just go over to themonkees.com message board and ask who there is under 20. I bet you over half. So in closing why don't we just drop this. I like the Monkees you like the Beatles and we aren't going to change each other's minds. And lastly, this debate could have done without you insulting me.
	Last edited by LaurenStDavid; 02-14-2002 at 02:11 AM.

02-11-2002, 08:14 PM	#19
Tiger32 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 624	As far as Monkees rejecting Mick Jagger, that information came from Dick Clark. I think he would know, don't you?

02-11-2002, 10:45 PM	#20
LaurenStDavid Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 10, 2002 Location: Avon-On-Calling, The Emerald City, USA Posts: 8	The Monkees are in the same boat as the Beatles. Back in the 60's the Monkees outsold the Beatles AND The Rolling Stones combined for a couple of years. And no, I'm not living in a fantasy thankyouverymuch. I am entitled to my own opinion. (which also happens to be fact)

02-13-2002, 06:43 PM	#22
Tiger32 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 624	I went back and did a little research on the Monkees and to my surprise they actually had 6 top 10 hits, however what is not surprising is that they did not write any of these hit songs. Instead they relied on other writers like Neil Diamond and others to write these hits for them. By contrast all but one of the Beatles hit records were written by one of the 4 members. The only hit that was not written by a Beatle was "Twist and Shout".

02-14-2002, 03:00 PM	#24
Tiger32 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 624	Reality Check: The Beatles were easily the best! As far as the Beatles being better than the Monkees goes, it is not merely conjecture on my part, instead it is the accepted opinion by virtually everyone in the music idustry. Many musical artists cite the Beatles as being their musical influence. I don't think that very many have publicly made that claim about the Monkees. I have personally not heard of any artists giving credit to the Monkees musical talent. But I have heard a plethora of artists giving credit to the Beatles. You made the comment that it is a matter of one's personal opinion as to which band was better. Of course it is strictly one's opinion, particularly when one like yourself has no fuel for an argument. If you had fuel for your argument, than you would not have made that statement, instead you would have presented facts that would support your claim, like I have clearly done. The real fact is that the Monkees were nothing more than an offshoot of the Beatlemaina frenzy that dominated the 1960s. The Monkees were good singers, I will give them that, however they could not match the Beatles song writing ability. The Beatles ability to write and perform their own music is what truly separates them from the many wantabes. I think in your mind you know that there is no comparison between the Beatles and the Monkees, other than the fact that they were both British Bands. After that the comparison must end, because the Beatles were much better. However, I will end this debate, because what I have said is common knowledge, anyone with a computer can research the facts about either group and draw the same conclusion, provided they do so objectively. My statements are not meant to degrade the Monkees in any way, but instead my purpose was to give you a reality check, particularly since you have been stuck in this Monkees fantasy world! As far as going to the Monkees.com, I must respectfully decline, because I am sure that any information there will probably be skewed by deranged Monkees fans reliving their tv fantasies. It is not about which band I like better, it is about which band was better. You were the one who chose to bring the Beatles into this discussion, by suggesting that the Monkees were better than the Beatles. That is a mistake I bet you wish you had not made. Because I exposed your skewed facts for what they really were, and provided the real facts regarding the Beatles. Facts that clearly show the real picture of the Beatles success.
	Last edited by Tiger32; 02-14-2002 at 10:55 PM.

02-14-2002, 11:39 PM	#25
Tiger32 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 624	Rock and Roll Hall of Fame I was looking at the inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and I noticed that the Beatles were inducted in 1988. But guess what group was nowhere to be found? Yep, you guessed it, the MONKEES ARE NOT in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. However, their peers are listed (i.e. the Beach Boys, the Animals, Simon and Garfunkle, the Mamas and the Papas etc.). But I did not see the Monkees anywhere. So do you still think that the Monkees are equal to the Beatles? Or could it be that the Hall of Fame knows a thing or two about music? And perhaps they are able to separate the real thing (The Beatles) from the mere imitation (the Monkees). I THINK THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. BECAUSE THE MONKEES WILL NEVER BE INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME.
	Last edited by Tiger32; 02-19-2002 at 10:02 PM.

02-25-2002, 12:45 PM	#26
chicagokmc Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 25, 2002 Posts: 10	Favorite Songs Randy Scouse Git Daily Nightly Zor and Zam Star Collector

02-25-2002, 12:49 PM	#27
chicagokmc Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 25, 2002 Posts: 10	to me, the difference between the monkees and the beatles is that lennon, mccartney and harrison from the beatles are 3 of the best songwriters in the history of music, whereas the monkees rarely even wrote their own material. not to mention that the beatles performed over 10 years, the monkees barely half that. if it means anything, the monkees were probably had a better tv and movie presence. just MY opinion.

02-28-2002, 01:23 AM	#28
LaurenStDavid Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 10, 2002 Location: Avon-On-Calling, The Emerald City, USA Posts: 8	You can stop posting messages to me Tiger32 because I am not reading them. I don't care. I still think the Monkees are better that the Beatles and there is nothing you can do to change my mind. I just came back because someone else posted a response and I am glad he/she stated their opinion without insulting someone. Thank you, I really appreciate it

02-28-2002, 11:09 PM	#30
Tiger32 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 624	It really does not matter what you or I think, because the Monkees will never make it in, they were only a tv show. Sure they had 6 hit records, but that does not qualify them for the hall of fame. Both Mickey and Michael have stated that they do not belong in the Hall of Fame. I believe that most people in the music industry would agree.
	Last edited by Tiger32; 02-28-2002 at 11:13 PM.