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Overdose · 03-02-2008, 08:54 PM

I feel most episodes with Becky #2 suck.

However, when Becky #2 isn't in the epsidoes during seasons 6, 7 and 8, I feel the show is still amazing. So, although the seasons with Becky #2 aren't as good as the original 5 seasons, they are still, overall, funny, witty and groundbreaking.

But the last season truly sucked. So I feel "Roseanne" jumped the shark when the Conner's won the lottery.

The episodes don't even feel or look like "Roseanne". The setting is all weird, the storylines aren't realistic (even for people who won the lottery), and the episodes don't look very rehearsed. They resorted to more slapstick humor and very poor jokes. The show just became full of randomness, surrealism and of poor quality.

I honestly feel season 9 was a spin-off to the show because "Roseanne" was all about being realistic, and season 9 wasn't realistic in the least, even for people who won the lottery. Plus, the quality of the show (the set, the acting, the jokes) all turned to crap.

I'm sorry, I love "Roseanne" and it's my favorite show. I just cannot STAND season 9. It should have ended after the episode "Fights n' Stuff". That was a PERFECT way to end the series, tying DIRECTLY back to the very first episodes titled "Life n' Stuff".

And yes, I know all of season 9 was a dream. But that's a cop-out. Plain and simple.

Sorry, I just get heated about this because I feel the reputation of "Roseanne" as being one of the greatest TV shows of all time is always hindered because of this last season.

Ireneparalegal · 03-02-2008, 08:59 PM

^^^^

You know how I feel abt the show too. I know your love for it and I am with you on that. The finale stinked, though it was a great way to blow the audience away. A la Newhart.

I just wish it could have had the same great intensity in another way without telling us that the last few years was bogus. I was burned once by DALLAS, one of my fave shows, when they gave us that dream season, and here again with ROSEANNE. I can't stand it!!!!!

iank · 12-11-2008, 09:09 PM

Started going downhill and getting silly in season 8. Less said about season 9, the better.

catlover79 · 12-11-2008, 09:37 PM

The lottery!! Enough said.

browneyes106 · 12-20-2008, 10:05 PM

The finale

Gaguy · 02-12-2009, 01:31 AM

For me the show jumped the shark at the beginning of season 6. In between seasons I think Roseanne had surgery or whatever and came back looking different. That wasn't the problem of course, her character turned bitchy and mean. The show had good episodes seasons 6-8, but I think the beginning of season 6 is when it lost some of it's charm. It just got mean spirited. You could go further by saying when they hit the lottery, that's when things got really bad. But season 6 was the start for me.

Purffin · 02-16-2009, 03:33 PM

I agree i didn't like the character change of Becky, she just wasn't the same character, she was more of a bimbo and i don't like that they made Mark dumb, also David got to sensitive and feminine, what was that all about.
Season nine was definetely a downfall, most of the episoded were just silly and meaningless until Darlene had the baby. Still one of my most favorite shows though.

McGillicuddy · 02-22-2009, 07:39 PM

The ninth season, not so much that they won the lottery, but because Dan left. I with they ended the series at season 8, since John Goodman wanted out.

blink · 08-01-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by grundle

I'm picking something that isn't on that list. It jumped when imposter Becky came along.

The real Becky was strong willed and opinionated. The fake Becky was a wet noodle with no opinions on anything.

I agree, the show was never the same after fake, generic Becky showed up.

cheesecakehead · 12-23-2009, 09:35 AM

I think it's a mixture of Roseanne's character changing and the writing being not as good. Some combination of the two over the course of the show. You could see sprinklings of it as far back as season 4. Season 5 is where it begins after Becky has left the show. I think Roseanne, the show, can be divided into two eras: pre-Becky Roseanne and post-Becky Roseanne. There are other things, but they all lead back to those two.

Sean Conner · 08-17-2011, 03:01 PM

I think the series started going downhill in season seven. I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven and eight, but they weren't nearly as strong as the earlier seasons.

So I agree with many when they list Roseanne getting pregnant as the point where the series really started its turn toward mediocrity.

Even so, I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven, eight and even nine - but there aren't nearly as many episodes I outright like compared to other seasons.

ShamelessFanGirl · 08-18-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Conner

I think the series started going downhill in season seven. I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven and eight, but they weren't nearly as strong as the earlier seasons.

So I agree with many when they list Roseanne getting pregnant as the point where the series really started its turn toward mediocrity.

Even so, I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven, eight and even nine - but there aren't nearly as many episodes I outright like compared to other seasons.

I agree that there was a few good episodes through the later seasons.

ShamelessFanGirl · 11-21-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusk Angel

Is it wrong that I laughed at that?

Not that Beverly being gay was in anyway believable.

I think that Dan's Bike Shop fiasco wrecked the show in many ways. The show became depressing during that time. I've already said in another topic that I thought Becky running off and marrying Mark was unbelievable, too, although I was glad to see Becky gone.

I agree with you. I thought the whole storyline of Bev being gay was incredibly unrealistic, and was a plot the show could have done without. As for the Bike Shop, it is true that the series got a bit too serious and a tad dark for what was suppose to be a comedy sitcom. They found a way to make it funny, but I thought the whole season was filled with many dark/depressing storylines. Dan losing the Bike shop and him not speaking to Becky because of her eloping, Roseanne and Jackie's dad dying, David planning to run away and Roseanne letting him move in with them after seeing how verbally abusive his mother was to him, Rosie finding out that Jackie was being phsyically abused by her boyfriend...this though it had a few of the most real episodes that I had seen were very dark and dramatic.

Sean Conner · 11-21-2011, 05:29 AM

See, I disagree. I think that's what made Roseanne such a hit - the fact it blended comedy and drama so very well. It was like real life and not everything was resolved with a happy ending.

Up until that point, most sitcoms always had everything wrapped up by the end of the thirty minutes and it was done, generally, anyway, in a happy, everything will be fine fashion. Roseanne was never like that. Even in the first couple seasons where they battled to keep their little universe going.

Sure, the series took on a bit more darker tone after season two, but it was done very well (up until season six). At least that's how I've always felt.

That's not to say season six and beyond didn't muck it up with the drama aspect of it. Dan's heart attack, cheating on Roseanne, Bev coming out of the closet, the entire baby storyline left me thinking there was just too much going on in those final two seasons and the humor wasn't nearly as strong.

But the series did balance the line between comedy and drama very well up until the final two seasons.

At least that's my take, anyway.

ShamelessFanGirl · 11-21-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Conner

See, I disagree. I think that's what made Roseanne such a hit - the fact it blended comedy and drama so very well. It was like real life and not everything was resolved with a happy ending.

Up until that point, most sitcoms always had everything wrapped up by the end of the thirty minutes and it was done, generally, anyway, in a happy, everything will be fine fashion. Roseanne was never like that. Even in the first couple seasons where they battled to keep their little universe going.

Sure, the series took on a bit more darker tone after season two, but it was done very well (up until season six). At least that's how I've always felt.

That's not to say season six and beyond didn't muck it up with the drama aspect of it. Dan's heart attack, cheating on Roseanne, Bev coming out of the closet, the entire baby storyline left me thinking there was just too much going on in those final two seasons and the humor wasn't nearly as strong.

But the series did balance the line between comedy and drama very well up until the final two seasons.

At least that's my take, anyway.

I agree with you that part of the charm and popularity of Roseanne was the fact that while they had many serious topics on the show, such as unemployment, child abuse, teenage marriage, and death through them all they always found a way to bring the appropriate amount of humor into the situation without seeming over the top or that they were making fun of matters. I wasn't saying that at all, but what my point was the fifth season was the most drama filled and had a lot of dark themed episodes. However, these are episodes that I enjoy the most just because the emotion is just so real that you really feel for the characters and what they are going through, while the same time adding comedy so the situation doesn't become too serious and feel like you are watching a soap oprea instead of a sitcom.

12-11-2008, 09:37 PM	#19
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02-16-2009, 03:33 PM	#22
Purffin Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 25, 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 315	I agree i didn't like the character change of Becky, she just wasn't the same character, she was more of a bimbo and i don't like that they made Mark dumb, also David got to sensitive and feminine, what was that all about. Season nine was definetely a downfall, most of the episoded were just silly and meaningless until Darlene had the baby. Still one of my most favorite shows though.
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03-02-2008, 08:54 PM	#16
Overdose Don't mess with Roseanne! Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 27, 2007 Posts: 303	I feel most episodes with Becky #2 suck. However, when Becky #2 isn't in the epsidoes during seasons 6, 7 and 8, I feel the show is still amazing. So, although the seasons with Becky #2 aren't as good as the original 5 seasons, they are still, overall, funny, witty and groundbreaking. But the last season truly sucked. So I feel "Roseanne" jumped the shark when the Conner's won the lottery. The episodes don't even feel or look like "Roseanne". The setting is all weird, the storylines aren't realistic (even for people who won the lottery), and the episodes don't look very rehearsed. They resorted to more slapstick humor and very poor jokes. The show just became full of randomness, surrealism and of poor quality. I honestly feel season 9 was a spin-off to the show because "Roseanne" was all about being realistic, and season 9 wasn't realistic in the least, even for people who won the lottery. Plus, the quality of the show (the set, the acting, the jokes) all turned to crap. I'm sorry, I love "Roseanne" and it's my favorite show. I just cannot STAND season 9. It should have ended after the episode "Fights n' Stuff". That was a PERFECT way to end the series, tying DIRECTLY back to the very first episodes titled "Life n' Stuff". And yes, I know all of season 9 was a dream. But that's a cop-out. Plain and simple. Sorry, I just get heated about this because I feel the reputation of "Roseanne" as being one of the greatest TV shows of all time is always hindered because of this last season.

03-02-2008, 08:59 PM	#17
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,691	^^^^ You know how I feel abt the show too. I know your love for it and I am with you on that. The finale stinked, though it was a great way to blow the audience away. A la Newhart. I just wish it could have had the same great intensity in another way without telling us that the last few years was bogus. I was burned once by DALLAS, one of my fave shows, when they gave us that dream season, and here again with ROSEANNE. I can't stand it!!!!!

12-11-2008, 09:09 PM	#18
iank Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 11, 2008 Posts: 39	Started going downhill and getting silly in season 8. Less said about season 9, the better.

12-20-2008, 10:05 PM	#20
browneyes106 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 01, 2008 Posts: 6,094	The finale

02-12-2009, 01:31 AM	#21
Gaguy Member Forum Cub Join Date: Feb 12, 2009 Posts: 2	For me the show jumped the shark at the beginning of season 6. In between seasons I think Roseanne had surgery or whatever and came back looking different. That wasn't the problem of course, her character turned bitchy and mean. The show had good episodes seasons 6-8, but I think the beginning of season 6 is when it lost some of it's charm. It just got mean spirited. You could go further by saying when they hit the lottery, that's when things got really bad. But season 6 was the start for me.

02-22-2009, 07:39 PM	#23
McGillicuddy Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 28, 2002 Posts: 5,179	The ninth season, not so much that they won the lottery, but because Dan left. I with they ended the series at season 8, since John Goodman wanted out.

12-23-2009, 09:35 AM	#25
cheesecakehead Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 23, 2009 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 42	I think it's a mixture of Roseanne's character changing and the writing being not as good. Some combination of the two over the course of the show. You could see sprinklings of it as far back as season 4. Season 5 is where it begins after Becky has left the show. I think Roseanne, the show, can be divided into two eras: pre-Becky Roseanne and post-Becky Roseanne. There are other things, but they all lead back to those two.

08-17-2011, 03:01 PM	#26
Sean Conner Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 18, 2011 Location: Lanford, Illinois Posts: 120	I think the series started going downhill in season seven. I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven and eight, but they weren't nearly as strong as the earlier seasons. So I agree with many when they list Roseanne getting pregnant as the point where the series really started its turn toward mediocrity. Even so, I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven, eight and even nine - but there aren't nearly as many episodes I outright like compared to other seasons.

11-21-2011, 05:29 AM	#29
Sean Conner Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 18, 2011 Location: Lanford, Illinois Posts: 120	See, I disagree. I think that's what made Roseanne such a hit - the fact it blended comedy and drama so very well. It was like real life and not everything was resolved with a happy ending. Up until that point, most sitcoms always had everything wrapped up by the end of the thirty minutes and it was done, generally, anyway, in a happy, everything will be fine fashion. Roseanne was never like that. Even in the first couple seasons where they battled to keep their little universe going. Sure, the series took on a bit more darker tone after season two, but it was done very well (up until season six). At least that's how I've always felt. That's not to say season six and beyond didn't muck it up with the drama aspect of it. Dan's heart attack, cheating on Roseanne, Bev coming out of the closet, the entire baby storyline left me thinking there was just too much going on in those final two seasons and the humor wasn't nearly as strong. But the series did balance the line between comedy and drama very well up until the final two seasons. At least that's my take, anyway.