Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[lorenhammond83]

Originally Posted by kane7474

Could you tell us why the investigators now seem to be very confident that Angela's dissapearance is not related to other similar abductions that happened in the same general time period?

I'm honestly not sure if they're 100% positive or just saying this. I do know that this is how the Clinton PD detectives feel based off their ongoing investigation and when we find Angela's killer/killers we will determine it to be an accurate statement or not. I do know that the Clinton PD are diligently working to solve our crime; they've tripled the staff that is working on our case and started from square 1 as if they had never seen Angela's case file before. A lot has changed in Clinton since Angie's disappearance including most of the original staff on Angela's case. To my knowledge, the answer is probably being that Jess Rush and his gang were determined not to be involved. Currently, there is a lot of investigating going on into the leads that were not followed up on in the beginning given that we thought we had our killers based on the Rush letters. However, since these rumors/leads keep circulating we feel as if we are moving in the right direction. A lot of people in the KC MO area are talking again. Any media at this point, good or bad, is good media for us.

[lorenhammond83]

Originally Posted by Drakken

I still don't believe that Rob was lying. That he was driving a truck or a car is nitpicking over a reenactment detail.

Other witnesses have situated Angela Hammond at the phone booth, so how could Rob talk to Angela over the phone while driving the car around to abduct her? Cell phones were rare in that period, and they were as big and heavy as a brick. I doubt anyone except the very rich had the means of possessing a cell phone in plain middle of country Missouri at that time, and I am certain Rob didn't have these means.

Angela described his future abductor as a filthy bearded man dressed in overalls, and I have heard that a composite sketch was made from other witnesses. That description does not match Rob in any way.

Finally, as far as I know, Rob's little brother never changed his story that Rob was at home baby-sitting him when he talked to Angie and sprinted out of the house. Loren could tell us more and confirm this, of course, if she so chooses.

Just an FYI....I am of the male gender last time I checked.

For the last time, Rob was not involved, point blank!!!

[lorenhammond83]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Drakken,

I don't think of the truck issue so much of a nit picky reenactment thing, but more of a huge surprise that 20 years later, it's finally publicly revealed that Rob was driving a truck very much like the one described as the abductor's truck.

I would have thought that would be very significant detail early on, (although I still don't think Rob is involved in any way). Also, by knowing this, it makes me believe that Angela's description is reliable, even though the cops want to discount it as very possibly being innacurrate. If her boyfriend had a similar truck, then she's likely to know what she's talking about, imo.

Also, because we are just now hearing about this information, it makes me question the accuracy of the news articles. Especially because they are also claiming to have new DNA. News stories are notorious for their errors. That's why I wanted to go straight to the original source, if possible, to get to the truth.

Let me break it down for you all:

It's not like Angie and or Rob saw a Ferrari and called it a truck. The discrepancies lie in the specifics. For instance, the color was reported as green. How may times have you had an argument with someone over what color an item/object is? I know I have before on a number of different occasions. Also, maybe she said Ford and it was a Chevy, or she saw dark green, which was actually black. Maybe the trauma involved with loosing the love of your life and mother of your child plus the added pressure of police questioning makes your recollections a bit unclear...

I like the phone theory, details change as they are passed on from one to another.

[crazytatsink]

The investigators are sure that jess and marvin were not involved in this case maybe about 90% sure. The story of the mural is to like the old phone gossip thing they are not sure if it was a mural of a fish or if it was a fish sticker, when people communicate stuffs gets drawn out of what it is actually really started out to be. Unsolved Mysteries is the reason why everyone believed that Rob was driving a car, in the police reports and from the beginning it was a truck that he was driving. They now believe this case is not linked to my mom's case and trudy darby, beings they haven't let the reason completely out why?, is probably to cover real evidence that they actually have, and don't want to blow any leads on it. The lead detective that is working this case is doing a damn good job and i give many praises to him for the damn good job that he is doing on this case. Now as for the missouri highway patrol and my mom's case i give them a big F they are not doing well at keeping in contact with me and the Nevada Police Department another bigF. I believe if it wasnt for the Nevada Police Department and their investigating officers they had at this time my mom probably could still been alive. But they decided to slack on this case and yeah they mention it once in awhile but do they investigate it No. They have since the beginning of her case over looked many tips that could lead them in the right direction but they don't care they got two guys behind bars for Trudy Darby's murder for life without parole, this means hmmmm they did it, bull**** work the case! In 2007 a detective read me the dna test results of the remains that everyone beleived were that of my mothers, I did not receive an actual copy, hint hint, it came back that of a male supposebly but did that make the papers or media HELL NO. Lets wake up Missouri and do some real investigating, will reply again soon.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by crazytatsink

The investigators are sure that jess and marvin were not involved in this case maybe about 90% sure. The story of the mural is to like the old phone gossip thing they are not sure if it was a mural of a fish or if it was a fish sticker, when people communicate stuffs gets drawn out of what it is actually really started out to be. Unsolved Mysteries is the reason why everyone believed that Rob was driving a car, in the police reports and from the beginning it was a truck that he was driving. They now believe this case is not linked to my mom's case and trudy darby, beings they haven't let the reason completely out why?, is probably to cover real evidence that they actually have, and don't want to blow any leads on it. The lead detective that is working this case is doing a damn good job and i give many praises to him for the damn good job that he is doing on this case. Now as for the missouri highway patrol and my mom's case i give them a big F they are not doing well at keeping in contact with me and the Nevada Police Department another bigF. I believe if it wasnt for the Nevada Police Department and their investigating officers they had at this time my mom probably could still been alive. But they decided to slack on this case and yeah they mention it once in awhile but do they investigate it No. They have since the beginning of her case over looked many tips that could lead them in the right direction but they don't care they got two guys behind bars for Trudy Darby's murder for life without parole, this means hmmmm they did it, bull**** work the case! In 2007 a detective read me the dna test results of the remains that everyone beleived were that of my mothers, I did not receive an actual copy, hint hint, it came back that of a male supposebly but did that make the papers or media HELL NO. Lets wake up Missouri and do some real investigating, will reply again soon.

I felt all along that the reason they seemed to quit pursuing leads was because they had the men that committed these crimes in prison so why bother charging them with more crimes. The investigators seem pretty sure that Rush and Company were not involved with Angela but ofcourse no mention of whether they have been looked at in your moms case. Whatever the case may be those men were convicted on the basis of those letters but for some reason the other women mentioned in the letters have never been identified and the other accomplices never brought to trial. And that in itself is disturbing.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by lorenhammond83

I'm honestly not sure if they're 100% positive or just saying this. I do know that this is how the Clinton PD detectives feel based off their ongoing investigation and when we find Angela's killer/killers we will determine it to be an accurate statement or not. I do know that the Clinton PD are diligently working to solve our crime; they've tripled the staff that is working on our case and started from square 1 as if they had never seen Angela's case file before. A lot has changed in Clinton since Angie's disappearance including most of the original staff on Angela's case. To my knowledge, the answer is probably being that Jess Rush and his gang were determined not to be involved. Currently, there is a lot of investigating going on into the leads that were not followed up on in the beginning given that we thought we had our killers based on the Rush letters. However, since these rumors/leads keep circulating we feel as if we are moving in the right direction. A lot of people in the KC MO area are talking again. Any media at this point, good or bad, is good media for us.

Im glad to hear that Rush and Chaney were atleast pursued as suspects. That of course was never made public. I was beginning to think we were the only ones looking that way. I was wondering since you are obviously closer to this case then any of us, if you have your own theory as to what happened or who might have been involved?

[Drakken]

Originally Posted by lorenhammond83

Just an FYI....I am of the male gender last time I checked.

For the last time, Rob was not involved, point blank!!!

My mistake. I apologize.

And I agree with you, Rob didn't do it. I was speaking rhetorically.

[lorenhammond83]

Originally Posted by Drakken

My mistake. I apologize.

And I agree with you, Rob didn't do it. I was speaking rhetorically.

No apology necessary...I just want to be clear.

[lorenhammond83]

Originally Posted by kane7474

Im glad to hear that Rush and Chaney were atleast pursued as suspects. That of course was never made public. I was beginning to think we were the only ones looking that way. I was wondering since you are obviously closer to this case then any of us, if you have your own theory as to what happened or who might have been involved?

For a good majority of my life I have been under the impression that Jess and Marvin were "the killers". However, I believe they were really just a great scapegoat for temporarily closing all three cases. I was never convinced they were responsible and I have to speculate about their involvement in all of these cases. In regard to the letters: I don’t blame law enforcement for pinning them to the crimes either. If someone hands you gold you will assume its gold and want to believe it is. It isn’t until you create your own hypothesis and determine your own conclusion that you will know whether or not it really was. I think originally they just wanted to believe, as did our families. We all have a common goal in mind and it’s finding the closure we all deserve. Like my dad says in his interview, it’s the not knowing that hurts the most.

[lorenhammond83]

Originally Posted by crazytatsink

The investigators are sure that jess and marvin were not involved in this case maybe about 90% sure. The story of the mural is to like the old phone gossip thing they are not sure if it was a mural of a fish or if it was a fish sticker, when people communicate stuffs gets drawn out of what it is actually really started out to be. Unsolved Mysteries is the reason why everyone believed that Rob was driving a car, in the police reports and from the beginning it was a truck that he was driving. They now believe this case is not linked to my mom's case and trudy darby, beings they haven't let the reason completely out why?, is probably to cover real evidence that they actually have, and don't want to blow any leads on it. The lead detective that is working this case is doing a damn good job and i give many praises to him for the damn good job that he is doing on this case. Now as for the missouri highway patrol and my mom's case i give them a big F they are not doing well at keeping in contact with me and the Nevada Police Department another bigF. I believe if it wasnt for the Nevada Police Department and their investigating officers they had at this time my mom probably could still been alive. But they decided to slack on this case and yeah they mention it once in awhile but do they investigate it No. They have since the beginning of her case over looked many tips that could lead them in the right direction but they don't care they got two guys behind bars for Trudy Darby's murder for life without parole, this means hmmmm they did it, bull**** work the case! In 2007 a detective read me the dna test results of the remains that everyone beleived were that of my mothers, I did not receive an actual copy, hint hint, it came back that of a male supposebly but did that make the papers or media HELL NO. Lets wake up Missouri and do some real investigating, will reply again soon.

I wish I had the answers as to why they do not believe the cases are linked but I do not. I do know that even though they think this way they will never out rule the possibility. I agree, not only the lead detective though, but the whole task force of detectives in general is doing a damn good job. If any of them read our feeds, please keep up the good work. I can only pray and hope that some day the Neveda PD will wake up, get off of their lazy asses, and put some real effort into your mom’s case. It should be a crime to do any less than that. I agree and it’s my personal opinion and feeling that Jess and Marvin had nothing to do with either cases. If you were interested in trying to have a sit down with them to confirm our suspicions, I would be more than obliged to join you, if permissible of course.

On a positive note: Lets all do our part to encourage Neveda to take a step in the right direction as Clinton has already done. Maybe if we crack Angie’s case they will wake up and smell the fresh air. These crime were not perfect, they we just committed back in the day when little could be done by law enforcement to solve, especially without the bodies being present.

Best Regards,

Loren

[crazytatsink]

I would like to say thank you Loren, We both have been through the same thing, a long miserable 18 years of wondering where are loved one is and how we can get them back. We know we wont bring back what has already been done to these women but let us at least know where these bodies can be found so we can put our families at rest. People talk how they feel for the families but i would like these people to take a moment and try these shoes on. Take the time if you turn in a tip to make damn sure it is right and that you are not going to lead these cases in a direction that they dont need to go. Over the years these cases have been done such to already. There are people out there who have information to these cases and I so heartedly say may GOD let me carry your soul to hell myself when you die knowing that you could have helped a family bring closure to their families, and if your the person that was involved in this in any way, may GOD have "NO MERCY" on your soul. After 15 years I finally came to the conclusion that there was no way that in my lifetime my mother would walk back through a door. Upon my back I carry the memorial tattooed stating "NO MERCY" "Rest in peace mom! My love for you is eternal." As I stated NO MERCY these persons involved in these crimes had no mercy for these women for what they did to them, so I feel damn sorry for you if we ever get to meet face to face! These women were at no means able to take on a grown man or two and probably as chicken **** as these people were to do this to a woman probably did it while their backs were turned. Just like in the Darby case where she was shot execution style, this shows they were not human enough to look her in the eyes, to let her at least have one more prayer of hope. I hope you feel the pain NOW! MAY GOD HAVE NO JUSTICE ON YOUR SOUL!

[kane7474]

Do either of you know if there are any plans to re-visit these cases on the new unsolved mysteries? Alot seems to have changed since the original broadcast and with new evidence in the Hammond case they might open up some new lead?

[lorenhammond83]

Originally Posted by kane7474

Do either of you know if there are any plans to re-visit these cases on the new unsolved mysteries? Alot seems to have changed since the original broadcast and with new evidence in the Hammond case they might open up some new lead?

I've emailed unsolvedtips@unsolved.com and informed them about the new findings and requested they do an updated segment, yet I have not heard a serious response back. I'm guessing I probably need a better contact than just their tips email but I have yet to find one. I'm open to suggestions...

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by lorenhammond83

I've emailed unsolvedtips@unsolved.com and informed them about the new findings and requested they do an updated segment, yet I have not heard a serious response back. I'm guessing I probably need a better contact than just their tips email but I have yet to find one. I'm open to suggestions...

Have you tried calling Phone: 1 (800) 876-5353

[crazytatsink]

will try that number also