People who are missing and no one is sure if they are victims or suspects

[Clockworkhigh]

The case I read the other day on Larry Costine got me thinking. There are people out there who are declared missing, yet no one can say beyond reasonable doubt whether they are suspects or just victims. Of course we all have our theories, but here goes:

Laura Bible & Ashley Freeman - Almost certainly victims. So many things point to those girls either being kidnapped or murdered elsewhere, or both. But a shred of might linger on the most skeptical of all people that they were involved in the murders/fire. Doubtful, but someone out there might think so.

Mike Reimer - The opposite. This guy is likely a suspect. His wife is found dead, his daughter abandoned and he is nowhere to be found. I've always leaned on him being guilty and taking off on his own, but stranger things can happen and he could have been led somewhere to die

Jo (Larry Costine case) - I still can't understand what the reason would be for Jo to murder Larry. But stranger things have happened I guess. Without her available we still have no proof either way whether she is a victim or the actual murderer.

[Oooga Chucka]

Dub Wackerhagen. I'm leaning towards him being a suspect. It just seems odd that his girlfriend would be killed but that he, a 250 lb trucker, would be kidnapped. I think he's guilty. I hope his son is okay, though.

[Clockworkhigh]

Ahh, good one with Dub there. Yeah a suspicious case for sure. But the segment never gave any reason as to why Dub would shoot her "6 times" other than he allegedly had a temper.

Personally I think they're dead. I don't know why, I mean perhaps he killed her because in the end a person is more often killed by someone they know and the person they are the closest to.

I think the phone call claiming to be Dub's son Chance is a hoax. Would a 9 year old be able to remember his grandparents phone number? Sure, but why just that one call? Why not more?

Also what disturbs me is how someone wouldn't be able to spot a 6'4" 250lbs man. A man that sze sticks out like a sore thumb in a crowd. If Dub is alive wouldn't he have been spotted by now?

[MegtheEgg86]

I'm actually in that very small minority that isn't so sure at all Mike Riemer killed Diana Robertson.

Dale Kerstetter is another one. Did he orchestrate that entire fiasco at the plant and make off with the gleanings himself, or was he actually abducted?

[rhzunam]

Charles Horvath

[peachysquirt21]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

I'm actually in that very small minority that isn't so sure at all Mike Riemer killed Diana Robertson.

Dale Kerstetter is another one. Did he orchestrate that entire fiasco at the plant and make off with the gleanings himself, or was he actually abducted?

After reading the posts from a few of Dale's family, I do not believe he had a part in it.

[Clockworkhigh]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

I'm actually in that very small minority that isn't so sure at all Mike Riemer killed Diana Robertson.

Dale Kerstetter is another one. Did he orchestrate that entire fiasco at the plant and make off with the gleanings himself, or was he actually abducted?

Yes I do not think Dale had anything to do with it. I would be stunned if he were alive. He looks RIGHT into the camera. The exact same camera that he would know the location of being a security guard. Why would he be so stupid when he didn't have to be? It just doesn't make sense. The culprits could be saying any number of things to Dale (etc. "be calm, no sudden moves, look casual and we'll let you go"). With Dale having the roots he did and his children seemingly loving him the way they talk about him, then you would have to wonder what would posses a man to do such a thing. I just think he is a victim.

[Apostapler]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

I'm actually in that very small minority that isn't so sure at all Mike Riemer killed Diana Robertson.

I don't think he did either.

[Apostapler]

Hugh Harlan. I subscribe to victim.

[Drakken]

Originally Posted by rhzunam

Charles Horvath

Charles isn't a suspect in any criminal act. Either he is voluntary missing or dead.

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by Clockworkhigh

Also what disturbs me is how someone wouldn't be able to spot a 6'4" 250lbs man. A man that sze sticks out like a sore thumb in a crowd. If Dub is alive wouldn't he have been spotted by now?

I agree and I tend to think that way about most missing persons. If they haven't been seen by someone by now, then they are most likely dead.

[Mastermind]

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Originally Posted by Clockworkhigh
Also what disturbs me is how someone wouldn't be able to spot a 6'4" 250lbs man. A man that sze sticks out like a sore thumb in a crowd. If Dub is alive wouldn't he have been spotted by now?

I agree and I tend to think that way about most missing persons. If they haven't been seen by someone by now, then they are most likely dead.

I don;t think 6'4 250 lbs is that extreme. The weight is about right for that type of frame.

It's not really sticking out so much as will someone that sees your register this guy as fugitive Dub Wackerhagen.

Height is relative, you notice it when someone is standing next to someone else. I would have to imagine that Dub avoids crowds or public places and is staying pretty much in isolation.

If Dub went to Mexico they probably could stay hidden indefinitely. Working on a hacienda or at a bar.

It's not like the case is that well known. Dub is not on the most wanted list.

It's a lot easier to go on the lam than people think.

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by Mastermind

I don;t think 6'4 250 lbs is that extreme. The weight is about right for that type of frame.

It's not really sticking out so much as will someone that sees your register this guy as fugitive Dub Wackerhagen.

Height is relative, you notice it when someone is standing next to someone else. I would have to imagine that Dub avoids crowds or public places and is staying pretty much in isolation.

If Dub went to Mexico they probably could stay hidden indefinitely. Working on a hacienda or at a bar.

It's not like the case is that well known. Dub is not on the most wanted list.

It's a lot easier to go on the lam than people think.

It's anecdotal, but my ex-husband and my boyfriend are both over 6'4" and between 220-235 pounds. You can lose them in a crowd, trust me.

I wouldn't necessarily write off someone as being dead if no one happens to report them after so many years. Keep in mind we're fans and regular viewers--what may be a familiar face to us is almost definitely not so for the average joe. And of course, appearances can be wildly altered.

[Clockworkhigh]

Originally Posted by Mastermind

I don;t think 6'4 250 lbs is that extreme. The weight is about right for that type of frame.

It's not really sticking out so much as will someone that sees your register this guy as fugitive Dub Wackerhagen.

Height is relative, you notice it when someone is standing next to someone else. I would have to imagine that Dub avoids crowds or public places and is staying pretty much in isolation.

If Dub went to Mexico they probably could stay hidden indefinitely. Working on a hacienda or at a bar.

It's not like the case is that well known. Dub is not on the most wanted list.

It's a lot easier to go on the lam than people think.

Good points, but I will say that Dub fits the stature for about 1% of the world's population. I'm 6'2". If I walk past someone who is 6'4" or taller than me I noticed it personally. This doesn't mean Dub isn't still hiding but he has a distinct disadvantage because if his stats were well known to someone they wouldn't be looking for a 5'6" man

[soilentgreen]

Not strictly confined to the topic, but I've always wondered what happened to Ann Sigmin. She set up Charles Sigmin to be murdered, but did she really abandon Gary Goff after they fled the area, or did Goff dispose of her?