Since 2004 is days away, do u think that Raven will have another successful year? Any surprises or letdown for Raven? If so, explain why. And if not, explain also. I'm being curious!!!!:D :D

More successful, if anything because she's gotten people's attention with TSR and The Cheetah Girls and now it's leading to bigger things. Two big screen movies coming out, a cd, and the Cheetah Girls show (why do they have to film in Canada?). So it's all going good for her

Great answer. Anybody else????:D :D :D

I agree with Marshall, her best year ever

I hope has year like hilary, but raven's is going to last unlike hilary will be gone in one year

^ I hope ur right about Hil

For Raven and her fans it'll be a good year, because we'll be seeing her get into diffrent things now, but other people are gonna be sitting around waiting on her to fall flat on her face, remember she's still going to be compared to meet the expectations of Hils Duff.

Good year for me though, Raven's gonna become more popular, believe it, don't doubt anything, and nobody should doubt her potential:cool:

of course i am right. i just had a vision, (lol). if we work together Raven will succeed. she's last for almost 16 years!!!!!!more than hilary's 4 years. i hate that gurl and orlanod brown.

I def think it will be succesful. Her show gives you a laugh and It seems to be popular. Best of luck with the show.

Thankies

are you not a raven fan . of course the show will do well. it's close to beating lizzie mcguire. gosh!!!!!

I hope a book series is released

me tooooooo.......but it has too have plenty of pictures. thught i am in high school, i still like picture books

Well they would have 1 picture....on the cover

ha, ha, very funnny!!!

I am serious! The LMG book have 1 picture anyways

oh:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But theya re completly different shows so.....

Raven will be famous, but not as famous as Hilary. Not even close.

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
Raven will be famous, but not as famous as Hilary. Not even close.
Ok, whatever you say...

Originally posted by jsizzle
Ok, whatever you say...

...and that's the way it should always be. ;)

Rae is famous

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
...and that's the way it should always be. ;)

Then why dont u get off this board!!!!!:mad:

I think he was referring to when jsizzle said whatever you say

About to say!!! Look What i made!!!!!

Rae looks strange in the fake Raven

Originally posted by jamesgelin
About to say!!! Look What i made!!!!!

That's a cool pic...but it looks kinda...never mind:D It's really nice.

No no Kinda what.................

I think that Raven will do great this year. :) . I think she will also do beter than Hiary Duff this year. I'm not a big fn of Hilary's.

Originally posted by Parakeet03
I think that Raven will do great this year. :) . I think she will also do beter than Hiary Duff this year. I'm not a big fn of Hilary's.
That's a definite:nod:

lol, Glad u agree. :yourock:

As long as you state facts, trust me I'll agree hehe.

In Hilary's case...she recieved an excellent get up and go job(Disney) because if it was up to her becoming successful the way Raven did...she wouldn't have made it.
SBTB Geek only shows up when he thinks Raven is becoming too much more popular than Hilary, but we all know it's already true!
:p

Raven is da best......whoever disagrees can get lost!!!!!!:D

Or they can live somewhere else

Originally posted by jsizzle
SBTB Geek only shows up when he thinks Raven is becoming too much more popular than Hilary, but we all know it's already true!
:p

Raven is not even close to Hilary success-wise.

1. Hilary Duff has the most popular and most successful Disney Channel Show to this date.
2. "Lizzie McGuire" always beat out the competition in it's timeslot.
3. After the success on The Disney Channel, Hilary Duff was offered to continue the show on ABC, she turned it down.
4. Hilary Duff has had 3 multi-platinum albums on Billboard: Lizzie McGuire TV Soundtrack, The Lizzie McGuire Movie Soundtrack, and Metamorphosis.
5. Metamorphosis reached #1 on Billboard, and has been selling around 100,000 thousand copies per week since it's debut, outselling Britney Spears. From this date (January 5) her debut has sold 3 million copies.
6. All of Hilary's movies have been box-office hits: "Agent Cody Banks," "The Lizzie McGuire Movie," and "Cheaper By The Dozen."
7. Hilary Duff is the youngest person to host MTV's New Year's Bash.
8. CBS has made a deal with Hilary for her own sitcom on The Most Watched Network.
9. Hilary Duff at the moment is the most successful teenager in the music and movie business.
10. Rolling Stone named Hilary Duff, "Teenager of The Year."
11. Hilary was the youngest perfomer in the 2003 American Music Awards.

What has Raven done?

Yeah i'm with you on that what Raven did, don't get me wrong i do like Raven. Hilary is more popular then Raven.

WHO CARES!!!!!!....RAVEN IS NUMBER 1 ON THIS BOARD.. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT HILARY HAVE DONE....IT ALL ABOUT RAVEN!!!:D

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
Raven is not even close to Hilary success-wise.

I mean come on, in this day and age, ofcourse she might seem more popular, tweens and teenagers are the biggest entertainment consumers, so looks to me that she showed up at the right time! They even have her toping the Olsens, they are probably the richest kids in the buisness, Hilary's riding her success wagon out, because the other Teen stars actually worked for their "slow" success.

1. Hilary Duff has the most popular and most successful Disney Channel Show to this date.

Not anymore, That's So Raven busted their ass.

2. "Lizzie McGuire" always beat out the competition in it's timeslot.

So IS That's So Raven.

3. After the success on The Disney Channel, Hilary Duff was offered to continue the show on ABC, she turned it down.
It's one of the worst networks, what wouldn't they do to get some better ratings...

4. Hilary Duff has had 3 multi-platinum albums on Billboard: Lizzie McGuire TV Soundtrack, The Lizzie McGuire Movie Soundtrack, and Metamorphosis.
Duh! Lizzie McGuire fans! The Cheetah Girls soundtrack trailed it in the Billboard top 200, and they only had 8 songs...lol. So what.

5. Metamorphosis reached #1 on Billboard, and has been selling around 100,000 thousand copies per week since it's debut, outselling Britney Spears. From this date (January 5) her debut has sold 3 million copies.

Raven still has another album coming out...don't speak so soon.

6. All of Hilary's movies have been box-office hits: "Agent Cody Banks," "The Lizzie McGuire Movie," and "Cheaper By The Dozen."

So what, both Dr Dolittle movies were also.

7. Hilary Duff is the youngest person to host MTV's New Year's Bash.

As if Raven hasn't broken any records. First and youngest African American female with her name in a title show. Whether you think it was significant or not, she was also the youngest to host a popular Saturday morning video show.

8. CBS has made a deal with Hilary for her own sitcom on

The Most Watched Network.
Not like CBS will give her any depth in her acting.

9. Hilary Duff at the moment is the most successful teenager in the music and movie business.
10. Rolling Stone named Hilary Duff, "Teenager of The Year."
11. Hilary was the youngest perfomer in the 2003 American Music Awards.

All these things!? I'm so happy for her, maybe I could have a new found respect for her...NOT:p

What has Raven done?

Alot more than what you would like to give her credit for...buddy

Man please, the only thing Hilary has Raven beat in is the music, because her tv show ratings have beat out Hilary's show, and her highest rated Disney Channel movie has been bumped down,thanks to Raven. Raven has two movies in which she's starring in both to be released in 2004, is Hilary being chosen to carry anymore movies...? This could go on forever, it will only be resolved this year. Maybe you'll get an eye opener, or maybe my predictions for Raven are wrong...who knows.

Nice chattin.:D

Originally posted by moeee
WHO CARES!!!!!!....RAVEN IS NUMBER 1 ON THIS BOARD.. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT HILARY HAVE DONE....IT ALL ABOUT RAVEN!!!:D

Yea, exactly but you know we had this same disscussion last year when Raven was back on the scene, and he had his doubts about her beating out Hilary's success on Disney...and what happened. Raven's show outrated Hilary's, Raven Disney movie outrated Hilary's.
Hilary Duff is finding success, but can she keep it...? Lindsay Lohan's movie even blew TLMM out of the market. Shia Lebouf's movie Holes beat hers out. I'm just saying, most of her fans worship the ground she walks on, that's all good but she is not all she's hyped to be! There are more teen stars out there with waaay more talent and charisma, but they don't live in the spotlight, and it may be the reason she's really popular.

I'm just saying that they jump on every chance to keep Hilary on a high pedistle, why can't we hype somebody who actually is worth it.

I don't care, I'm up for talking about it:D

I'll say 2 things. They both prove how much better Rae is then hilary duff (I don't use capitals for her name)

1. Raven is a good actress. A piece of grass can act better than Hilary Duff

2. Hilary Duff is a snob

Plus her acting skills sux too! :D :D

Originally posted by Superstar
I'll say 2 things. They both prove how much better Rae is then hilary duff (I don't use capitals for her name)

1. Raven is a good actress. A piece of grass can act better than Hilary Duff

2. Hilary Duff is a snob




Oh exress me Hilary is not a snob, i heard she a nice person, oh yeah why everybody have to pick a fight about Hilary and Raven. You know what Raven and Hilary are great actress ok, oh yeah this is getting old now both are there are the best damn.

Originally posted by Lizzie McGuire
Oh exress me Hilary is not a snob, i heard she a nice person, oh yeah why everybody have to pick a fight about Hilary and Raven. You know what Raven and Hilary are great actress ok, oh yeah this is getting old now both are there are the best damn.

It's not a fight, it's a discussion. When it comes time to compare facts that's what I'll do, everybody's not gonna like Hilary or Raven. Sorry if we made you upset...haha

I mean come on, in this day and age, ofcourse she might seem more popular, tweens and teenagers are the biggest entertainment consumers, so looks to me that she showed up at the right time! They even have her toping the Olsens, they are probably the richest kids in the buisness, Hilary's riding her success wagon out, because the other Teen stars actually worked for their "slow" success.

But don't you get it?... Whoever said progress was a slow process wasn't talking about Hilary. She is the "it" thing, she is a breakout star and doesn't catch success "slowly"... that's for losers.

Whenever you are successful, you don't have to be slow. ;)


Not anymore, That's So Raven busted their ass.

"That's So Raven" still doesn't beat "Lizzie McGuire" in it's ratings prime/peak.


So IS That's So Raven.

Not really. TLC, Nickelodeon, and Lifetime are beating the hell out of Disney during the time "That's So Raven" is on.


It's one of the worst networks, what wouldn't they do to get some better ratings...

Actually, ABC is the third most watched network in the U.S. If they are so desperate, why don't they add the mega-successful (!) "That's So Raven" to it's timeslot.

Millions of people watch "Life With Bonnie," "George Lopez," "Hope & Faith," "8 Simple Rules," and "According to Jim"... how many people watch "That's So Raven"?!


Duh! Lizzie McGuire fans! The Cheetah Girls soundtrack trailed it in the Billboard top 200, and they only had 8 songs...lol. So what.

"The Cheetah Girls" soundtrack is barely peaking into the Top 50, it's THOUSANDS of copies behind Metamorphosis. How many hits has the soundtrack had on Billboard?! LOL! Hilary Duff was charted with "Why Not," "So Yesterday," and "Come Clean."


Raven still has another album coming out...don't speak so soon.

Honestly... I think that album will do well, but not as good as Hilary. Raven's album might do as well as the "The Cheetah Girls" soundtrack, or if lucky, as Lalaine's album!


So what, both Dr Dolittle movies were also.

Hilary was the STAR of "The Lizzie McGuire Movie," "Agent Cody," and "Cheaper By The Dozen"... Raven was only part of the cast of "Dr. Dolittle"... Eddie Murphy was the star.

Throughout the movie Raven only has one-liners, like, "Ay ain goin' nowhere wit out my cellphone!


As if Raven hasn't broken any records. First and youngest African American female with her name in a title show. Whether you think it was significant or not, she was also the youngest to host a popular Saturday morning video show.

Doesn't she have to thank Bill Cosby for that. She's lucky... that doesn't require talent.



Not like CBS will give her any depth in her acting.

No, but it will give her something that Raven doesn't have... SUCCESS!!!


All these things!? I'm so happy for her, maybe I could have a new found respect for her...NOT:p

Your "respect" is not needed, she is respected by more important people. Just ask all the people who are working for HER. ;)



Man please, the only thing Hilary has Raven beat in is the music, because her tv show ratings have beat out Hilary's show, and her highest rated Disney Channel movie has been bumped down,thanks to Raven.

Once again, "That's So Raven" hasn't beat out the "Lizzie McGuire" series, and Raven hasn't beat out Hilary in the movie business either.

Raven has two movies in which she's starring in both to be released in 2004, is Hilary being chosen to carry anymore movies...?

You are lying. The only thing Raven is slated for 2004 (so far) is the "Cheetah Girls" series, and some voice-overs for "Kim Possible." (check this out... www.imdb.com (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0380481/) ) Plus if she does do any movies, I bet they are TV movies.

In the other hand, Hilary Duff has already finished "A Cinderella Story" and it's ready to be released later this year. She is currently filming "Heart of Summer," and "The Perfect Man." BTW, all of these are THEATER MOVIES, not for TV, and for your information, she STARS in these movies.




This could go on forever, it will only be resolved this year. Maybe you'll get an eye opener, or maybe my predictions for Raven are wrong...who knows.

You are PREDICTING, I'm going on facts. I'm the fact, and you are the hypothesis. We shall see.


Nice chattin.:D

Ditto. ;)

This is Rae's filming schedule for 2004

TV Shows
That's So Raven
The Cheetah Girls Series

TV Movies
(Possible) Cheetah Girls 2

Big Screen Movies
Sparkle
All American Girl
Dr. Dolittle 3

No we are NOT lying about her movies. BTW in "The Perfect Man" is Hilary playing the man? (This is a serious question)

Originally posted by Superstar
This is Rae's filming schedule for 2004

TV Shows
That's So Raven
The Cheetah Girls Series

TV Movies
(Possible) Cheetah Girls 2

Big Screen Movies
Sparkle
All American Girl
Dr. Dolittle 3


Where is your official source?... If she was officially slated for those, it would of been listed on IMDB.


Originally posted by Superstar
BTW in "The Perfect Man" is Hilary playing the man? (This is a serious question)

Actually, in "The Perfect Man," Hilary Duff plays the character of Heather. "Heather" is the daughter of a single mother, and throughout the movie, Hilary Duff is trying to find the "perfect man" for her mom.

They could have passed hilary off as a man IMO......She has enough facial hair

IMDB doesn't list everything you know. Why don't you check Movie Tome

Originally posted by Superstar
They could have passed hilary off as a man IMO......She has enough facial hair

IMDB doesn't list everything you know. Why don't you check Movie Tome

LOL... you consider Movie Tome a reliable source?! (!)

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
LOL... you consider Movie Tome a reliable source?! (!)

You consider IMDB one??

Raven's show only trails Sponge Bob squarepants, and ABC is one of the lowest rated networks, only certain shows are persistently watched! The Cheetah Girls soundtrack, look it up it's among poular movie soundtracks, it did trail the Lizzie Movie soundtrack, on the billboard charts, like I said!

Source: Eurweb
Raven's High Ratings
You sucker emcees should call Raven (Symone) sire! That's right, just when you thought that you had this entertainer pegged as a nonentity when it comes to getting people to tune in she and wrecks up shop with her made for tv movie and self titled show "the cheetah girls" and "that's so raven"!

When it premiered last Friday it delivered 6.5 million Total Viewers and 3.8 million Households (4.6 rating). "The Cheetah Girls" was the #1 ranked basic cable telecast of the day in Households (4.6/3.8 million), Total Viewers (3.1/6.5 million), Kids 6-11 (12.8/2.4 million), Girls 6-11 (16.7/1.5 million), Boys 6-11 (9.1/874,000) and Tweens 9-14 (13.4/2.5 million)It was also the best ratings Disney ever got from an original movie, bumping Hilary Duff's (Cadet Kelly 2.79 rating), Raven the best thing to hit Disney? I think so!

A highly anticipated day among the Disney Channel demographic, Friday was also the Disney Channel's highest Total Day ratings (6:00 a.m.-3:00 a.m.) ever with its target demographic of Kids 6-11 (4.1), Tweens 9-14 (3.8) and Male Tweens 9-14 (2.8).

She's just been selected to play the lead in the remake of "Sparkle." That's riiight.She has also just started filming a new movie for her first big screen lead role in "Disney's All-American Girl",and is finishing up an album for Buena Vista records!

Source: Essence
When you think of Raven-Symoné, in your mind you may see the adorable, chunky-cheeked Olivia from The Cosby Show. But snap out of it. In reality, she’s a savvy, modern-day teen TV star whose credibility and cachet with 9-to-14-year-olds help drive the billion-dollar Disney machine.

“It’s an honor that Disney picked me to open a door for them,” says 17-year-old Raven (formerly known as Raven-Symoné),now the star of her very own #1 rated sitcom, That’s So Raven, and the movie The Cheetah Girls, both on the Disney Channel. “I just want to represent my people well. I’m not going to be ghetto on the show. I don’t want people to think that’s all we can do.”

Well, there’s no chance of Raven’s blowing it, says movie producer Debra Martin Chase, who chose the actor to star in The Cheetah Girls. “She has that intangible thing—the It factor people always talk about,” Chase says. Thanks to four years on another sitcom, Hangin’ With Mr. Cooper, and leading roles opposite Eddie Murphy in the Dr. Dolittle films, Raven has become a bona fide player in Hollywood.

Before the show—originally called Absolutely Psychic—even aired, Disney executives revamped it and bumped her up from a supporting role to its star. Now the show is in its second season. And Disney has tapped Raven for the lead in next year’s feature release All-American Girl, in which she inadvertently saves the president and becomes a national hero.

It’s not uncommon for a media conglomerate to hype a teen star: Disney did the same for its former protégé 16-year-old Hilary Duff, turning Lizzie McGuire into a franchise. The MTV network propelled the career of Mandy Moore, 19, the pop star-turned-actor, and Amanda Bynes, 17, got her big break on Nickelodeon as the star of her own teen variety program. (These names may mean squat to you, but mention them at the playground water fountain, and you’ll be cooler than a stolen hall pass.) But as an African-American girl, Raven is a rarity and huge success in young Hollywood.

And while she plays an adolescent clairvoyant whose visions always land her in trouble, the Atlanta native insists she’s the same girl you’ve known for years. “I’m the girl next door,” she says. “I’ve always been there. But now you really see me.”

I don't think you need to know if we're lying now. Hilary Duff co-starred in all those movies you mentioned except TLMM, and Raven also co-starred but she was still also included in the main cast and the main story!

i am excited!!!!

Originally posted by jamesgelin
i am excited!!!!

About...what?

Don't worry he's probably out looking for more information on Hilary:lol:

You consider IMDB one??

LOL... of course I consider IMDB a reliable source. It's used by all the big wigs, and actual people that are of matter in the movie/tv business.

Raven's show only trails Sponge Bob squarepants

Yeah, "That's So Raven" has adequete ratings, and I wasn't debating that. I was debating the point that you made about "...Raven" beating "Lizzie McGuire," which infact was FALSE.

and ABC is one of the lowest rated networks, only certain shows are persistently watched!

ABC isn't the network it used to be, but it's still the THIRD most watched network. On the average, their shows are watched by 12 million, FOX is the 4th most watched network and they only get 6 million viewers on a lucky night. UPN and WB only get a million or two.

Plus, aren't shows that have a following a good thing? (!)

The Cheetah Girls soundtrack, look it up it's among poular movie soundtracks, it did trail the Lizzie Movie soundtrack, on the billboard charts, like I said!

"The Cheetah Girls" soundtrack is doing well in the Billboard charts, but it's not doing as well as the "Lizzie McGuire Movie" soundtrack did.
This week, Metamorphosis is in the no. 7 spot on Billboard's 200. This week "The Cheetah..." soundtrack fell from no. 33 to no. 41, making no. 33 it's PEAK. The soundtrack peaked in it's 19th week, not quite impressive. "The Lizzie McGuire Movie" soundtrack was still climbing the charts during it's 20th week, and eventually peaked in no. 6 [ Metamorphosis peaked at no. 1.] In it's 36th week the "Lizzie..." soundtrack is still holding strong it the Top 90 as well.
How impressive... Hilary Duff has TWO multi-platinum (selling more than 1,000,000 units) albums in the Top 100.

LINK: http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/bb200.jsp

I don't think you need to know if we're lying now. Hilary Duff co-starred in all those movies you mentioned except TLMM, and Raven also co-starred but she was still also included in the main cast and the main story!


Hilary was included in the MAIN credits of ALL those movies, making her role, a STARRING ROLE.

Here is the sequence in which she is credited as...

Agent Cody Banks
Frankie Muñiz>>Hilary Duff
PROOF: http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0313911/AGENTCOD-00AA1-poster_hires.jpg

The Lizzie McGuire Movie
Hilary Duff
PROOF: http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0306841/Lizzie_Onesheet.jpg

Cheaper By The Dozen
Steve Martin>>Bonnie Hunt>>Hilary Duff>>Tom Welling>>Piper Perabo
PROOF: http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0349205/Onesheet.jpg
...this IS impressive, she is starring alongside TWO of the MOST respected comedians in the business. Isn't it funny how the people following (in credits) have been in the business longer than her, and have starred in bigger things, TOM: "Smallville" PIPER: "Coyote Ugly."

I'm not even going to list "Heart of Summer," "A Cinderella Story," and "The Perfect Man"... everyone she is STARRING. (PROOF: www.imdb.com )


Here is how Raven Symone is credited in her biggest [theater] movies...

Dr. Dolittle
Eddie Murphy>>Ossie Davis>>Oliver Platt>>Peter Boyle>> Richard Schiff>>Kristen Wilson>>Jeffrey Tambor>>Kyla Pratt>> Raven-Symone
www.IMDB.com

Dr. Dolittle 2 (YAY! she made third billed!)
Eddie Murphy>>Kristen Wilson>>Raven Symone>>Kyla Pratt
(LOL!... no wonder, why she is so up there this time... nobody FAMOUS is in there except Eddie!)
www.IMDB.com

*two movies* (!)

--I will not acknowledge your sources until you give a link to your "source" or provide a scan of the magazine. Anyone could make something up and say it was published by someone. Eurweb isn't quite reliable either.


Anything else? :)

Yes, Movie Tome is a reliable source. IMDb usually are slow picking up on stuff.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-4451

Also, TSR is on hiatus from filming because Raven has to film 2 movies. TSR would be filming if she wasn't filming 2 movies.

Originally posted by Superstar
Yes, Movie Tome is a reliable source. IMDb usually are slow picking up on stuff.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-4451

Also, TSR is on hiatus from filming because Raven has to film 2 movies. TSR would be filming if she wasn't filming 2 movies.

As long as WE know, don't even jock this situation anymore. Everybody on here knows the truth already.;)

I think everyone's right aout SBTB Geek. :lol: He's only on this board cuz he's scared that Raven is getting more popular than Hilary in 2004. Which can definately happen. :nod:

Originally posted by Parakeet03
I think everyone's right aout SBTB Geek. :lol: He's only on this board cuz he's scared that Raven is getting more popular than Hilary in 2004. Which can definately happen. :nod:

The only person who should be "cautious" about Raven's success is Hilary. I, personally don't care, all I'm doing is stating the facts... Hilary Duff is more successful than Raven, and I've already proved it.

All you Raven fans are just in denial, but what did I expect?

SBTB Geek, u will lose this discussion!!! we are all for Raven on this board, and youre surronded by Raven fans!!!!
:D :D

Originally posted by moeee
SBTB Geek, u will lose this discussion!!! we are all for Raven on this board, and youre surronded by Raven fans!!!!
:D :D

We're nice people...right? He's free to brag about Hilary if he wants...right?
Ofcourse I have something else to add, why wouldn't I.

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
--I will not acknowledge your sources until you give a link to your "source" or provide a scan of the magazine. Anyone could make something up and say it was published by someone. Eurweb isn't quite reliable either.

I don't need your approval of "my sources", because I...we already know how much more successful Raven is than Hilary.

The thread is titled Raven in 2004 and it was for us to discuss her upcoming projects, but everytime we get some good conversation going about Raven some obssessed Hilary fan butts in about her accomplishments...we dun care.
I have nothing against Hilary, I hope her good career can continue, but my point is, whether someone's handing Hilary more movie scripts than Raven, she still is above Hilary's status. Hilary's mom has full control of her career! She wants to make sure her daughter is being "praised" correctly. Whereas someone like Raven, Lindsay Lohan etc. Doesn't get the praise Hil has, because their parents wanted to make sure they had a simple and fun life like any other kid teenager should, they're being put a shelf below Hilary.
Raven's ultimately had a better more succesful career than Hilary. If she has to credit Bill Cosby to that...so be it, did you know Hilary was an unknown actress until Lizzie McGuire.... As I stated already, Hilary was casted to Disney at a time when the teen idol craving was returning. She was a right-on-time success not an earned one.

jsizzle is right. Hilary is like a robot.


And we didn't need you coming on here and saying "hilary is more successful than Raven", how would you like if I came on the saved by the bell boards and started saying Raven is more popular than Mario Lopez. Y'all wouldn't care, y'all like him anyways and you didn't need or want me coming on just to say how unsuccessful he is. It's the same to us, we don't care, we still love her and we didn't need or want you coming on just to say that hilary is more successful than Rae. Your more than welcome to come on but if your just gonna talk trash about hilary then you can leave

That's right. SBTB Geek should leave cuz all he's doing is telling us about Hilary Duff and how he "thinks" Hilary is better than Raven. well I have to admit that Hilary Duff was more successful in 2003 BUT that does not mean that she can't get better than Hilary this year. I really think Raven does have a great chance of that cuz there is alot of movies and stuff she will be doing.

Why Is SBTB Geek even on this board???? :confused: It really doesn't make any sense at all. Doesn't he realize everyone here is talking about Raven, not Hilary???

Don't think I'm trying to start an argument. I don't care what SBTB Geek thinks so he can just say whatever he wants. That is all I have to say. peace.

jsizzle, Superstar, Parakeet 03: Excellent points!!!! I mean, SBTB Geek can brag all he wants or state the facts or whatever, but im my opinon, he is and WILL lose the battle of discussion!!! We're a close knit group of Raven fans on this board. I mean, how would he like if we went to Lizzie McGuire board and started talking about her? :D :D

I can't believe I'm so infamous in this board!... To who ever asked why was I here, the reason is because someone made a point about Raven being more successful than Raven, and I don't like people to be incorrectly informed, so I posted some FACTS, and posted the TRUTH-- Hilary is more successful, period.

All of you guys are making this into a sort of competition, there is no competition, I can easily win.

parakeet, don't misquote me. I don't "think"... I KNOW!!! Everything that I posted was based on facts, and I proved it. jisizzle... like you said, I don't need to approve your sources, but in order to take you seriously, or think of you as being credible, you do have to provide proof to your sources.

moeee, you can stop taking points now because I am undefeated--- I don't need an army to win my "battles," I win solo. You can go all you want to the Lizzie board because I hardly go there.

T.C.C.I.C.

ok, so u made youre points.......NOW GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!:D :lol: :lol:

Originally posted by moeee
ok, so u made youre points.......NOW GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!:D :lol: :lol:

...and you are?

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
To who ever asked why was I here, the reason is because someone made a point about Raven being more successful than Raven

We know Raven is more sucessful than herself! LOL


Anyways, look to me hilary duff is a piece of dirt (dirt is usually prettier) and we don't care if hilary duff is more popular than Raven. The fact is, Raven is better and we prefer her to hilary, no questions asked, so if you think you've made your point, you can leave.


Originally posted by SBTB Geek
All of you guys are making this into a sort of competition, there is no competition, I can easily win.

We're not starting a competition. You can't have a competition with loads of people vs 1 person

And against me (in a verbal argument anyways) you'll never win....Be afraid, be VERY afraid

Give it up SBTB geek!
u not gunna win! wee all love raven, and we all think that raven is the best, so keep your stupid little "facts" to urself, and get off this board, cuz ur not wanted!

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
...and you are?

.........YOURE WORST NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!:D :lol:

Originally posted by moeee
.........YOURE WORST NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!

SORRY PEEPS, BUT U KNOW WHAT I MEAN...SBTBGeek, go away cause nobody cares about your opinons on this board!

Thanks for agreeing moeee, I really think SBTB GEek should jut give it up already. I mean just shut up and leave SBTB Geek. No Body is listening to u. :lol: :lol: I don't mean to be rude but this is just silly. :lol: Ca't we vote himo off or something? I mean, I don't know. Is it me, or is this getting weird??:lol: :D

I'm still here. :) *surprise*

Youre waisting youre time here..........i think youre making some bad enemies who WILL disagree with youre comments..............but u do what you feel and see what happens!!!

sbtb geek can come here if he wants to, but he's only wasting his own time and making a fool of himself.

THis is funny.
SBTB geek..
ur such a loser! only u wood have enuff time to visit a board that u dont even care about and argue with us!

hmmmm... can we say... GET A LIFE!

Haha!:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Originally posted by tsravenfreak
THis is funny.
SBTB geek..
ur such a loser! only u wood have enuff time to visit a board that u dont even care about and argue with us!

hmmmm... can we say... GET A LIFE!

Haha!:lol:

Who said I didn't care about "That's So Raven"?... Just because I'm not living a lie thinking that Raven is more successful, doesn't mean I don't care. ;)

Get a life?... Do you even know me? I've done more than you in my 18 years of life, than you will ever do in an entire lifetime.

You guys sound like a bunch of sore losers.

Raven has something that Hilary doesn't really have in my opinion, and thats physical acting talents. If you watch TSR you'll see how she falls and things like that. If I can be so bold, shes getting to be another Lucille Ball. Hilary is a good actress, but in my opinion any celebrity can do what she is doing, not many can do good physical comedy.

Welcome Christmas Snow! And great point. I agree. :) :D

Thank you! :)

Originally posted by Christmas Snow
Raven has something that Hilary doesn't really have in my opinion, and thats physical acting talents. If you watch TSR you'll see how she falls and things like that. If I can be so bold, shes getting to be another Lucille Ball. Hilary is a good actress, but in my opinion any celebrity can do what she is doing, not many can do good physical comedy.

Now THAT I'm not going to argue with because I TOTALLY agree.

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
Who said I didn't care about "That's So Raven"?... Just because I'm not living a lie thinking that Raven is more successful, doesn't mean I don't care. ;)

Get a life?... Do you even know me? I've done more than you in my 18 years of life, than you will ever do in an entire lifetime.

You guys sound like a bunch of sore losers.

WE DON'T CARE WHO IS MORE SUCCESSFUL

And I'm sure all you've done in 18 years is go to school, and eat ding dongs and chocolate

wait a minute!!! first u say that hilary is better than raven, now u agree with Christmas Snow comments?????? make up your mind
SBTB Geek!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused:

Originally posted by moeee
wait a minute!!! first u say that hilary is better than raven, now u agree with Christmas Snow comments?????? make up your mind
SBTB Geek!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused:

I didn't say Hilary was better, but I did say she was more successful. I agreed with Snow's statement, because I also believe that Raven's comedic acting is superb, and Hilary can't match it.

Originally posted by Superstar
WE DON'T CARE WHO IS MORE SUCCESSFUL

And I'm sure all you've done in 18 years is go to school, and eat ding dongs and chocolate

I don't like fatty foods.

ok, make up youre mind...its either one or the other........

Yea whatever SBTB Geek

Originally posted by moeee
ok, make up youre mind...its either one or the other........

Do you live in Cuba?... You sound like Fidel.

hahahahahahaha.............:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Look SBTB Geek if your just gonna make fun of people then you can go

yeah!!!

I'm not making fun of moeee, I'm just astonished by the her "dictatorship" ways. It's one or the other for her, she refuses to allow people to like both.

First of all, Im a man, So dont forget it!!!....Second of all, If u like both people, fine, i dont care......but dont come on this board and brag about what hilary has done more than raven, its not about that!!! Its just silly.

moeee is right

I agree with moee. What SBTB Geek is doing is silly, like I said before.

Originally posted by moeee
First of all, Im a man, So dont forget it!!!....Second of all, If u like both people, fine, i dont care......but dont come on this board and brag about what hilary has done more than raven, its not about that!!! Its just silly.

I'm not bragging, like I said before, I'm just re-stating facts to make a point!

Ok, you guys, is this over????

From what I remember everybody is welcome to their opinion, we reallt don't need to make it a 13 page thread, doesn't make sense because noone's gonna buckle on the topic and the small argument. Over right...?

Hey, its over with me for sure!! Im moving on!:D

Me too

I'm gone. Left this thread for good. lol

I think we can leave this thread to die

I STARTED IT SO NOW I WILL FINISHED IT................DIE.....ITS DEAD!!:cool:

R.I.P.