In the newspapers a few days ago, it was reported that in the UK soon people will be able to legally change their sex without any operations or anything- all they must do if prove to a panel of doctors and therapists that they are of the opposite gender, but stuck in the wrong body (ie if you're male (physically) you must prove you're a female in a man's body to have your sex changed).
I think this is very bizaare.

What the crap?

Don't you need....certain parts....to be a different gender?

Thats very odd... sounds like a stupid law to me.:o

Originally posted by TradingMooses
What the crap?

Don't you need....certain parts....to be a different gender?


Not really...I have a friend I have known all my life as a female who always believed that he was a man. He went through everything needed and eventually had the sex change. Thing is, when they went to do the surgery, the doctors discovered that the male parts were all there on the inside as well as the female. In his case that law would have worked for him. Thankfully though, in this country we don't need a law to allow people to have sex changes, they are allowed to do it.


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Yes, you do need certain parts to be a specific gender- but there's a lot of transvestites and transexuals that want to be legally seen as being women (or men). At the moment even post-op transexuals can't be legally considered as the opposite sex- but it'll all change soon. It's surprising how weirdly liberal the UK is becoming- next year there's also a law allowing homosexuals to have a sort of marriage- they can't do it all in church, or call it marriage- but it gives all rights that marriage does, and there's a form of divorce for it too. I think it's happening because the government originally proposed something else for gay rights, but it would've meant discriminating heterosexual couples, because it involved a lot of different privileges etc.

You don't need laws in britain to actually have a sex change op- it's just this new law will give you all rights of the opposite sex- joining women's groups, women's exclusive car insurance, maybe even marriage.

Ags2000- you said your friend had male and female parts- well, that's how I understand what you just wrote. Was your friend a hermaphrodite?

Originally posted by TradingMooses
What the crap?

Don't you need....certain parts....to be a different gender?
once some girl in the olympics got her medal tooken away because she went to the doctor for something and he found out her chromosmal pattern was XY, meaning she was a male even though she had a female organ.

There was some jazz musician...damn, I can't think of the name. Anyway, they lived their whole life as a man and it was only when he died that they found out he was actually a woman. They say even his wife didn't know which is totally bizarre. How the hell could someone pull that off with their own spouse? I wish I could remember the name. There's a book out about him(her) and everything.

I found it! The name was Billy Tipton. Here's a pic...

http://www.jerryjazzmusician.com/linernotes/pics/tipton1.jpg

Originally posted by PaceyGirrl
There was some jazz musician...damn, I can't think of the name. Anyway, they lived their whole life as a man and it was only when he died that they found out he was actually a woman. They say even his wife didn't know which is totally bizarre. How the hell could someone pull that off with their own spouse? I wish I could remember the name. There's a book out about him(her) and everything.
you mean he knew he was a woman and pretended to be a man or he didn't know?

Originally posted by sArAh123¼
you mean he knew he was a woman and pretended to be a man or he didn't know?

No, he knew and hid it all the way to his death somehow. I'm not even sure now if this applies to this topic or not :lol:

And how do you prove to a panel of judges you are a woman trapped in a man's body?


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Originally posted by webuster
Ags2000- you said your friend had male and female parts- well, that's how I understand what you just wrote. Was your friend a hermaphrodite?


I don't know. I never asked him. He just told us after the surgery what the doc said about most everything already being there and they didn't have to do too much.

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That's odd!

There's a myth (I don't know if it's true) that one of the Pope's was a woman pretending to be a man to join the church.