OK, I love Max and Fran!! They're one of the cutest couples on TV, IMO. So what are everybody's fave moments for these two? Here are a few of mine:

1.The kiss in "A Star is Unborn"--That kiss was a lot more romantic than Shakespeare probably intended! ;)
2.Fran letting Max out of his proposal in "One False Mole"--When Max says "I'm not sure I wanted out of it this time," I always melt!!
4.The dance in "Kindervelt Days"--Again, I melted when I saw this. I think this was the moment that really made me love Max.
5.The kiss in "Shopaholic"--I just saw this one for the first time tonight. Fran actually passed out from the kiss!!! When I saw them looking into each other's eyes, I was like, "He better kiss her!" because I've seen so many eps where they come really close to kissing then get interrupted!

I could probably list more, but I wanna give others a chance, so please share!!

Kristen

I don't know the name of it, but it's a sixth season episode. It's the one where CC and Niles get so mad at each otehr that they quit. So then Fran and Max are arguing in bed and decide to go upstairs. Then they open the door and they see CC and Niles in bed!! I was extremely shocked, especially since they were fighting just a few hours ago, but I had a moment where I went "Aww!" :lol:

Also the one episode where Fran goes to meet her pen-pal, and Niles and CC are at home. They start calling each other names, then just passionately kissing. And then Fran and Max walk in. :rotflmao:

As you can tell, I'm a big fan of the hate-love relationship between those two...;)

Originally posted by Original Prankster
I don't know the name of it, but it's a sixth season episode. It's the one where CC and Niles get so mad at each otehr that they quit. So then Fran and Max are arguing in bed and decide to go upstairs. Then they open the door and they see CC and Niles in bed!! I was extremely shocked, especially since they were fighting just a few hours ago, but I had a moment where I went "Aww!" :lol:

Also the one episode where Fran goes to meet her pen-pal, and Niles and CC are at home. They start calling each other names, then just passionately kissing. And then Fran and Max walk in. :rotflmao:

As you can tell, I'm a big fan of the hate-love relationship between those two...;)

LOL I liked it better when they just plain hated each other, but that's just me. If it had been up to me, I would've kept them as enemies the whole time, but I know a lot of people don't feel that way.

ok there are many moments, but these are what pop into my head....

one that you mentioned..the Kindervelt Days episode and that Dance!!! that was so sweet, and Fran with her 'flat' hair! lol

another moment i LOVED was when Fran decided she was going to move out because her shrink made her realize that her relationship with max was just like her relationship with her father. they kept her at a distance. and she told him for instance they still don't call each other by their first name. max disagreed and as she was walking out the door he goes 'Ms. Fine!, Ms. Fine...FRAN!! I love that part and how he says it..right when he says fran she gets this look on her face. episode was called of course, "Call Me Fran"

also love the I Love You episode when he didn't take it back, in that other country

that's all for now :)

Hahahaha the first thing that came into my head was "Rash to Judgement". It was so cute how they danced together when Michael Bolton started singing that song.
But I love that one part where she takes the ice cube, rubs it against her neck, saying "Ohh... ohh... ooohhh..." And Maxwell goes "Hey, wait for me." That was hilarious!

My favorite Fran and Max moment is definitely the wedding!

Concerning Niles and CC I would choose the dance in The Nose Knows. :grineyes:

The end of the Not Without My Nanny episode-when Max finally tells Fran that he loves her and doesn't take it back :D

I watched "The Wedding" again today, and I have to say I looove the scene where Max goes to find out what's wrong with Fran, and he tells her all the things he loves about her. I actually think I had to wipe a tear, LOL. It's one of the moments when I love Maxwell the most. Even with all his faults, he really is a great guy.

Oh there are so many but my favorite is in the episode "Not without my Nanny"..when Maxwell goes to Kooristan to apoligize to Fran about the fight they had before she left and she thought that the sultan wanted her to be his wife but he actually wanted her as a nanny..


Max: Oh I can see right through that Sultan. Oh yes, you'd start as his nanny all right. You'd start working for him for a few years, eventually be on a first name basis, and then, one day, he'd come to realize that you were more important to him than his work. Then, ha, then he'd tell you he loves you.

Fran: And when does that happen?
Max: Right now. I love you.
Fran: Whaaatt?
Max: Fran, I love you!

awww!!!

Yeah, "Not Without My Nanny" is great! How can you not melt when he says, "Fran, I love you"?! And the most important thing is, HE DIDN'T TAKE IT BACK!!! LOL!

Oh i loved it..one of my favorite episodes...I was so glad he didnt take it back..I think I would have fainted !!:lol:

Originally posted by Kristen

4.The dance in "Kindervelt Days"--Again, I melted when I saw this. I think this was the moment that really made me love Max.

OMG I just saw that episode, and it was so sweet! I nearly started tearing up. I'm such a corny emotional person...

My favorite romantic moment is that kiss in A Star is Unborn. Uh-ah! Grrr! So romantic!!! :heart: :eyes: :heart:

Originally posted by Dannie IsNotHere
OMG I just saw that episode, and it was so sweet! I nearly started tearing up. I'm such a corny emotional person...

Now you know why "Kindervelt Days" is one of my top 5 eps. The first time I saw it, I was like, "OMG, he's going to dip her!" LOL.

About "A Star is Unborn," I always love how Fran stumbles down the stairs after that LOL. You can so tell they were both turned on.

Yeah that's a favorite of mine, too.

I think my all time favorite is in "Fran's Gotta Have it" when Max and Fran stroll through London and he kisses her on the bench. (It's too bad that part is cut out on Lifetime--thank God for internet files, hehe). Later on, when they were stumbling into the room was pretty serious too, lol.

Originally posted by yowza
Yeah that's a favorite of mine, too.

I think my all time favorite is in "Fran's Gotta Have it" when Max and Fran stroll through London and he kisses her on the bench. (It's too bad that part is cut out on Lifetime--thank God for internet files, hehe). Later on, when they were stumbling into the room was pretty serious too, lol.

I can't stand how they cut everything out on Lifetime. ARG!

Mine is the honey moon

Here's a pic that looks like yours, Bettefan13! It's Max & Fran on the island after the honeymoon! Max is soooo dreamy! :D

Tiff7

Originally posted by Kristen
Fran letting Max out of his proposal in "One False Mole"--When Max says "I'm not sure I wanted out of it this time," I always melt!!

Oh my gosh,I loved that line too! I loved how he really thought about it,as he said it.

1) "Kindervelt Days," the end, of course. Just like all of you, I adore that scene.

2) The end of "An Affair to Dismember." I love how he takes care of her.

3) The end of "Not Without My Nanny" when he finally tells her he loves her without taking it back. I love how he led up to it, too.

I love the wedding,all the kisses,and in particular when they are in the bathtub together,and Maxwell says "Happy 10th anniversary sweetheart".

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I thought that billboard was so cute!

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I loved all the romance in London.

It should never have ended like this.....:lol:
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I loved the scene in the episode 'Your feets are too big' when Fran and Maxwell are on the couch and Maxwell says: "Your feet are beautiful....You are beautiful" and then they kiss.

I don't know the name of it, but it's a sixth season episode. It's the one where CC and Niles get so mad at each otehr that they quit. So then Fran and Max are arguing in bed and decide to go upstairs. Then they open the door and they see CC and Niles in bed!! I was extremely shocked, especially since they were fighting just a few hours ago, but I had a moment where I went "Aww!" :lol:

Also the one episode where Fran goes to meet her pen-pal, and Niles and CC are at home. They start calling each other names, then just passionately kissing. And then Fran and Max walk in. :rotflmao:

As you can tell, I'm a big fan of the hate-love relationship between those two...;)

The Sixth Season episode is "The Dummy Twins," and there is such quick "turnaround time" between CC rejecting Niles, and their fight, and then them being in bed together, that I always wonder if they actually agreed during the dinner they had to start a relationship, and when they came back, were pranking the Sheffields...but why? CC seems really happy after the dinner, though (almost like she is the next morning, so it seems like she's already in love) and it's odd that he brought her back to the Sheffield house if their date went badly, when she's supposed to have her own place.

Oh there are so many but my favorite is in the episode "Not without my Nanny"..when Maxwell goes to Kooristan to apoligize to Fran about the fight they had before she left and she thought that the sultan wanted her to be his wife but he actually wanted her as a nanny..


Max: Oh I can see right through that Sultan. Oh yes, you'd start as his nanny all right. You'd start working for him for a few years, eventually be on a first name basis, and then, one day, he'd come to realize that you were more important to him than his work. Then, ha, then he'd tell you he loves you.

Fran: And when does that happen?
Max: Right now. I love you.
Fran: Whaaatt?
Max: Fran, I love you!

awww!!!

Max says he can "see through the sultan" but he's speaking for himself. What makes that even better is that Shaughnessy plays the Sultan. I will confess, though, that if I hadn't read that before seeing the sultan it would not have been obvious to me.

My favorite Fran and Max moment is definitely the wedding!

Concerning Niles and CC I would choose the dance in The Nose Knows. :grineyes:

It wasn't even awkward. There was no awkward invitation from one to the other to dance - it just happened. And the scene where she asks him out makes me feel she's not just desperate for a date, or even upset about being dumped. I feel like Niles is the one she really WANTS. She doesn't even ask Max first.

And, if the only reason for taking Niles was to "save face" by not going alone, she wouldn't have needed to dance with him in private to do that.

Here's a pic that looks like yours, Bettefan13! It's Max & Fran on the island after the honeymoon! Max is soooo dreamy! :D

Tiff7

But when they were together in their bedroom for the first time, he was too irritated by Fran being loud to be romantic. That just really spoiled things at a time when it seemed like they were finally going to...well, enjoy each other. And the episode was about them learning to live together with their different personalities...when they'd known each other five years. Didn't seem to fit.

Oh my gosh,I loved that line too! I loved how he really thought about it,as he said it.

Everyone always attributes the pace and back-and-forth of their relationship to Max, but actually Fran kind of went back and forth too. There were a lot of times she was interested in another guy. (In "Ship of Fran's," after her other love interest gets arrested, Max has to practically BEG her to "let him be the man of her dreams" and her dance partner.) As you point out, there were a few times he seemed to be offering to take the next step and she either didn't think it was "for real" or she had some other reason it wasn't right.

In "Call Me Fran," right before Niles urges Max to make a move (his famous rant), Max seems to be questioning whether Fran still wants the relationship with him. Has she said or done something, or stopped doing or saying something, to indicate that her feelings have changed?

There were even several times between The Engagement and The Wedding when she reconsidered. Even in "The Best Man" when Max was mad at her, he did say he thought he'd get through it. She was the one who made the decision to give back the ring.

And season 5 was really weird, because lots of weird stuff happened that got in the way of their relationship, that wasn't Max backing out. Like Fran's rash in "Rash to Judgment." Max said, "I'll get us a room," and he seemed fully prepared to, well, get romantic. (Which was a real change from "Fran's Gotta Have It" when he wouldn't get physically romantic because it was too serious of a step.)

There are some other moments like that. And in "From Flushing with Love," he proposes, then hits his head and forgets. (That episode is totally bizarre all around.)

And then "Call Me Fran" is after that. So, he didn't just forget he proposed, he forgot he was ready? When he got amnesia, he snapped back into his previous state of fear of relationships, commitment, feelings, whatever? It seems like throughout season 5 they alternated between episodes where Max was backing away from taking the next step, and episodes where he was ready to and it didn't happen because something else interrupted.

I think my favorite romantic Fran/Max moment has to be the early part of The Wedding, when Max is trying to...shall we say...jump start the honeymoon. He's trying basically to seduce Fran for a change, and she fends him off, not to "wait until the wedding night" or so she says, but because it's supposed to be bad luck for Max to see her 24 hours before the ceremony, and if she hung around long enough to...do it, it would be into the 24 hours. (Ironically, she ends up delaying the ceremony, so probably it wouldn't have been 24 hours from when the ceremony actually was.)

I kind of feel like maybe she did partly hold out to tease him, and, as she said, because he made her wait five years.

It actually seems like unusual behavior for Max, though. Much more uninhibitedly (and almost aggressively) romantic than he usually is. Even when they're newly married he interrupts the romantic stuff to criticize Fran - for being loud.

The moment of the actual proposal is up there, too, but I think it could have been better. Max apologizes for being late, but I would have liked him to have said something like, "Thank you so much for not assuming when I didn't show up that because it was because I had changed my mind / gotten cold feet etc again. It makes me love you more than ever." Or even something like, "I didn't want to wait any longer to propose to you, but I know you deserve much better than a proposal in an alley full of garbage."

Her sort-of rescuing him from the mugging was kind of romantic, but I would have liked for the dinner he had planned originally to have happened. I wanted to hear what he was going to say to propose to Fran in front of the whole family. I hope he said whatever it was when they got home (or the next day) and announced the engagement to everyone. Or at dinner another night. Fanfic opportunity, I guess.


I like the moment in "Fran's Gotta Have It" when Max lays Fran on the bed and the look on her face is totally...blissful. But knowing Max is not going to go through with it keeps it from being a really great moment.

Niles and CC romantic moments, are actually mostly left to the imagination, because oddly, once they are a couple, they hardly interact with each other on screen. We do, however, see how blissfully happy they both are to have the relationship. And we get a lot of juicy hints about their...romantic times. CC's line revealing where they have done it: "Kitchen? Closet? Stairway? Limo? Walmart?" and the follow-up about Home Depot, have inspired a LOT of fanfics. So has Niles' and Fran's trip to California. Since she tells Fran how much she enjoys being romantic with Niles, we can assume a romantic moment happens when he finally finds the room that is CC's.

And then there's the fact that they're MIA and not doing their work in Yetta's Letters.

Hahahaha the first thing that came into my head was "Rash to Judgement". It was so cute how they danced together when Michael Bolton started singing that song.
But I love that one part where she takes the ice cube, rubs it against her neck, saying "Ohh... ohh... ooohhh..." And Maxwell goes "Hey, wait for me." That was hilarious!

And him responding to her fear that, due to having seen her with this allergy, he would never find her attractive again, by saying, "Don't be silly! There's two, three, six times as much of you to love!" She was too miserable to pick up on that word.

Although he was still calling her Miss Fine. In a way, "Call Me Fran" coming after that episode seems inconsistent, because in "Rash" it seems like he was ready to take things further if the allergy thing hadn't gotten in the way.

LOL I liked it better when they just plain hated each other, but that's just me. If it had been up to me, I would've kept them as enemies the whole time, but I know a lot of people don't feel that way.

I'm not sure they ever REALLY did. The signs were there all along (almost before they were with Fran and Max.)

I watched "The Wedding" again today, and I have to say I looove the scene where Max goes to find out what's wrong with Fran, and he tells her all the things he loves about her. I actually think I had to wipe a tear, LOL. It's one of the moments when I love Maxwell the most. Even with all his faults, he really is a great guy.

Four and half years of him not moving fast enough for her, and now she's almost backing out. Actually, there were a few times after the proposal she almost did.

I actually don't think Max taking four and a half years from first meeting Fran before proposing to her is itself so bad. A lot of media (books as well as TV) imply that there's something wrong with someone who takes relationships slowly. Whatever reason they give, their friends always seem to say, "Oh, you're just afraid - you know you're in love - just jump in." Indeed, drama, problems in the relationship - and, indeed, an inability to talk to each other about feelings, are often said to be evidence of the strength of the feelings - the feelings must be intense if they scare you enough to avoid them. To some extent they did imply that about Max. He often could tell other people, such as Niles, how he felt about Fran - but not her.

And if the character is a single parent, and they say they're being cautious because of how it might affect their kids, someone always says, "Oh, nonsense, you're just rationalizing your own fear," or "Stop being so serious and live life."

I don't think his taking back his first "I love you" is exactly a good thing, but let's face it - he could have gotten her into bed and THEN taken back his "I love you" or said he wasn't serious about her. He's more decent than to do that. There were a couple of other times she seemed ready to sleep with him and he backed off because, to him, that was getting serious. "Fran's Gotta Have It" is the big one. You felt like he was almost as scared of the sex itself as of commitment, but it seemed classy at the time. Then in season 5 they changed that a little...there were times he seemed willing to get more intimate and didn't happen because something else got in the way, but he would have. And then they implied in season 5 that he'd had a casual fling (or two) with other women. That seemed very...un-Max. Out of character.

I actually view Fran's obsessive need to get married NOW as a fault of hers, and it makes her far less lovable than she could have been. She's a quirky "fish out of water" character, but she's not comfortable with her differentness in an inspiring way...she's very insecure, and not just about Max, or marriage.

I do think it's a little strange for someone who has already been married, whose first marriage lasted until the partner tragically died, to describe themselves as "afraid of commitment." I've always heard a lot of widowers in that situation are eager to marry again. Phrases like, "I feel like I'm being disloyal to my first wife," "I'm afraid I could lose her the way I lost my first wife - if my first wife could die young, so could Fran" or "I don't want the children to think I didn't love their mother" or such, would sound better (even if they weren't actually logical.)

Yeah, "Not Without My Nanny" is great! How can you not melt when he says, "Fran, I love you"?! And the most important thing is, HE DIDN'T TAKE IT BACK!!! LOL!

Am I the only one who notices, however, that she does not say it back, EITHER time? I'm not sure exactly how much time is supposed to have passed before his saying it on the plane in "A Pup in Paris" and his taking it back, but it seems like enough time for her to have said it back. She gloats (in voiceover/narration) "I had finally gotten him to say it," which seems less in love with him than excited about getting a guy of his stature to fall for her and/or just snagging a man, period. I kind of wish he had pointed that out to her when he tried to explain why he was scared enough to take it back.

And she doesn't say it at the end of "Not Without My Nanny" or the beginning of the following episode...although I suppose melting into his arms for the kiss (in that outfit, no less) is probably satisfactory from his point of view.