View Full Version : Vivian was right


Will and Grace Fanatic
09-19-2003, 03:03 PM
She was right about William being too old to play her husband. I looked at his profile on www.imdb.com He was born in 1886. Way to old to play her husband.

SPLAIN
09-19-2003, 03:18 PM
So, she was the Anna Nicole Smith of her day, that's all! LOL!

Mickey
09-19-2003, 03:43 PM
Don't you think that's cool though? I mean 1886! Imagine talking to somebody who was born that long ago. Even in the fifties it was pretty special. He'd seen the beginning of aircraft. His father would very likely have remembered the Civil War.

I really never got her problem though. She didn't look old or act old. If you think about it it's obvious he's a lot older than her - but who honestly thinks about it?! Does anybody watch the show thinking about the age of the cast?! It wasn't an issue, it just hurt her feelings. I sympathise I suppose, but they made a great couple. Shame they could ever appreciate that.

SPLAIN
09-19-2003, 04:11 PM
Well, you know Viv had many mental issues, but i agree, the two best supporting players EVER!

dawsongirl
09-19-2003, 05:47 PM
Okay...so Viv was born in 1909, right?

That makes their age gap 23 years. Aren't Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones 25 years apart?

Maybe it was a huge deal in the 1950s, but it sure isn't now.

Lodee
09-19-2003, 05:50 PM
Maybe it had more to do with the way he looked than the age difference. :lol:

Brian Damage
09-19-2003, 05:51 PM
She looked older than what she really was.

dawsongirl
09-19-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Lodee
Maybe it had more to do with the way he looked than the age difference. :lol:

:lol: Could be.

hawaii five-o
09-20-2003, 01:21 PM
The only person who seemed to be playing a character who was his or her own actual age was Desi Arnaz. Lucille Ball was actually a few years older than Desi, but Lucy Ricardo seems younger than Ricky. Lucille and Vivian are only separated by a couple of years, but Ethel seems about 10 years older than Lucy. And Fred seems like he's about only 5 to 10 years older than Ethel. The fact that we can watch this show and not think of their characters as their actual ages proves what great actors they really were.

Mkaleek
09-21-2003, 12:51 AM
Hawaii and Dawson just summed it all up to me. They are all genious. I think Viv and Bill matched perfectly. Viv might have had mental issues, but so did Bill! Bill was actually very lucky to be picked to play the part of Fred Mertz, but he actually didn't care. All he cared about was sports, which makes it more amazing that, according to Desi, Bill never showed up late to any readings. Bizarre....:stressed:

CCH
09-21-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Brian Damage
She looked older than what she really was.


Yes she did looked older but they made a nice couple on I love Lucy. :)

Lodee
09-21-2003, 11:07 AM
All he cared about was sports, which makes it more amazing that, according to Desi, Bill never showed up late to any readings. Bizarre.... How does caring about sports make you late for readings??? I don't get what you mean.:crazy:

Mickey
09-21-2003, 04:02 PM
I think the point was, he cared about sports more than anything else, and didn't seem to care about his work at all - yet he was never late for a reading. That doesn't surprise me actually. Look at the guy on set. He was an out and out professional. It shows in his performance, in his delivery, in his bearing - particularly in episodes when he had to dress up, or do bits of his 'old cabaret act'. Drunk, irascible, whatever - he was still a true pro. Goodness knows there are few enough of them about nowadays.

Amber8611
09-21-2003, 05:16 PM
In one episode, I think it's "The Black Wig," it looks like Bill was having trouble with his lines in one scene. He kept saying "um" and "uh" with a little pause before each sentance. That's the only instance that I noticed where Bill didn't seem to know his lines well. Remember the story Viv told where he looked at a script with the title "Lucy Has Her Eyes Examined," and asked her if that was next week's show, when they were filming it that night? He was amazing.

Mkaleek
09-22-2003, 02:03 AM
Yeah, Bill sure was the epidomy of the word "professional". His personal life did was never evident in his perfomance. That's amazing.

Mkaleek
09-22-2003, 02:05 AM
sorry about that "did". It didn't belong in there.:happyface

Mickey
09-22-2003, 05:02 AM
That's what the 'edit' button is for. It's a close personal friend of mine... :)

SPLAIN
09-22-2003, 10:22 AM
Desi said he was scared about hiring Bill because of his alcohol problem, and Lucy mentionned that nothing mattered to Bill except for his sports, but he never missed a day of work and was a total professional, after all, hadn't he done roles in about 100 movies? And he was such a pro and a worker like Lucy that his contract wasn't over with Desi that he took a job on My Three Sons. It would have been nice to see him in a bigger role than the walk on he did with Lucy years later.

Lodee
09-22-2003, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Mickey
That's what the 'edit' button is for. It's a close personal friend of mine... :) Hey, I was just going to say that! Well not the part about it being a close personal friend of mine though.:cool: