What's yours?

I choose Music Box.

Beggars Banquet.

Originally posted by AKA
Beggars Banquet.

What the hell? lol

Originally posted by Josh9125
What the hell? lol

Forget about Mariah Carey for a second. Beggars Banquet is the album you should be listening to. You should hear it at least once before you die.

Maybe I shouldn't post while drunk.

Wow, theres a soundtrack to Glitter? Did it tank and suck as badly as the movie?

Originally posted by Nirvana
Wow, theres a soundtrack to Glitter? Did it tank and suck as badly as the movie?

No...it's a great CD and so is the movie. Have u even seen the movie? A lot of people that haven't seen it claim it sucks, which is very ignorant...so im just wondering. It wasn't the best movie but it beats a lot of the chick flicks that have done good!

Originally posted by Josh9125
No...it's a great CD and so is the movie. Have u even seen the movie? A lot of people that haven't seen it claim it sucks, which is very ignorant...so im just wondering. It wasn't the best movie but it beats a lot of the chick flicks that have done good!

Yes, unfort. I have seen the "movie".

I love Charmbracelet!!!
But I'd have to say my fav out of all of them has to be Butterfly. Cause it ment a lot to her coming out of a bad marriage and all. She felt free to be herself not controled by the devil... oops I mean tommy matolla. :lol: By the way Josh just ignore the haters.

"They can say anything they want to say, try to bring me down but I will not allow any one to succeed raining clouds over me. And they can try hard to make me feel that I don't matter at all but I refuse to fall to ruin what I believe or lose faith in my dreams"- Mariah

Originally posted by MonarC
I love Charmbracelet!!!
But I'd have to say my fav out of all of them has to be Butterfly. Cause it ment a lot to her coming out of a bad marriage and all. She felt free to be herself not controled by the devil... oops I mean tommy matolla. :lol: By the way Josh just ignore the haters.

"They can say anything they want to say, try to bring me down but I will not allow any one to succeed raining clouds over me. And they can try hard to make me feel that I don't matter at all but I refuse to fall to ruin what I believe or lose faith in my dreams"- Mariah

Charmbracelet is really good too!

Originally posted by Nirvana
Yes, unfort. I have seen the "movie".

Tim, I'm sorry to hear that. Did you have to have professional counseling afterwards? I did. For three months. Sometimes I have "Glitter" relapses, but it's nothing a little lithium can't fix.

I dont have any of her albums, but I like her older music and I think she has a beautiful voice.

Originally posted by AKA
Tim, I'm sorry to hear that. Did you have to have professional counseling afterwards? I did. For three months. Sometimes I have "Glitter" relapses, but it's nothing a little lithium can't fix.

ohhhh HELL NO! Nobody starts with bi-polar jokes. That pisses me off more then anything! And Mariah probably is bi-polar...but so what! I am too and lithium is a medicine prescribed for it which makes it plain offensive to me! MENTAL ILLNESS IS NOT SOMETHING TO MAKE FUN OF *******!

Originally posted by AKA
Tim, I'm sorry to hear that. Did you have to have professional counseling afterwards? I did. For three months. Sometimes I have "Glitter" relapses, but it's nothing a little lithium can't fix.
:lol:

Originally posted by Josh9125
ohhhh HELL NO! Nobody starts with bi-polar jokes. That pisses me off more then anything! And Mariah probably is bi-polar...but so what! I am too and lithium is a medicine prescribed for it which makes it plain offensive to me! MENTAL ILLNESS IS NOT SOMETHING TO MAKE FUN OF *******!

Josh your just fueling the fire with your anger. Rise above their hater mentality.

Originally posted by Josh9125
ohhhh HELL NO! Nobody starts with bi-polar jokes. That pisses me off more then anything! And Mariah probably is bi-polar...but so what! I am too and lithium is a medicine prescribed for it which makes it plain offensive to me! MENTAL ILLNESS IS NOT SOMETHING TO MAKE FUN OF *******!

:lol:

That's right! I forgot about Mariah Carey's nervous breakdown a few years back! It puts an ironic spin on my "I saw Glitter trauma counseling" joke! Thanks for pointing that out, Josh!

And why isn't mental illness something to make fun of? I'm clinically depressed and have anxiety disorder, both of which I'm seeing a psychiatrist for (but am taking as little as the prescribed medication as possible).

I say if you can't make fun of yourself, um... you can't... make fun of crappy singers who scream and whisper a lot.

screw you! (Hopefully i wont fuel the fire anymore...)

Originally posted by Josh9125
screw you! (Hopefully i wont fuel the fire anymore...) :bighug: I heart you so much, Josh!

Dude, seriously, go out and buy a real album and listen to some music. You can do so much better than Mariah Carey.

Originally posted by AKA
:Dude, seriously, go out and buy a real album and listen to some music. You can do so much better than Mariah Carey.

It's not just Mariah's "music" im into...its her lyrics as well.

Originally posted by Josh9125
It's not just Mariah's "music" im into...its her lyrics as well.

From allmusic.com - songwriting credits on her latest album:

1. Through the Rain (Carey/Cole) - 4:48
2. Boy (I Need You) performed by Carey / Cam'Ron - 5:14
3. The One (Carey/Cox/Dupri) - 4:08
4. Yours (Carey/Harris/Lewis/Wright) - 5:06
5. You Got Me performed by Carey / Jay-Z / Cam'Ron - 4:22
6. I Only Wanted (Carey/Cole) - 3:38
7. Clown (Carey/Davis/Harris/Tatum) - 3:17
8. My Saving Grace (Carey/Crouch/Jackson/Lawrence) - 4:09
9. You Had Your Chance (Carey/Cox/Dupri/Haywood) - 4:22
10. Lullaby (Carey/Davis/Harris) - 4:56
11. Irresistible (West Side Connection) (Carey/Jackson/Jones/Life/Wansel/Young) - 5:04
12. Subtle Invitation (7 Aurelius/Bacon/Carey/Crouch/Jackson/Smith) - 4:27
13. Bringin' on the Heartbreak (Clark/Elliot/Willis) - 4:34
14. Sunflowers for Alfred Roy (Carey/Cole) - 2:59
15. Through the Rain [Remix] performed by Carey / Kelly Price / Joe - 3:32


Does she really need to write with three or four other people per song? Holy crap.

Originally posted by AKA
From allmusic.com - songwriting credits on her latest album:

1. Through the Rain (Carey/Cole) - 4:48
2. Boy (I Need You) performed by Carey / Cam'Ron - 5:14
3. The One (Carey/Cox/Dupri) - 4:08
4. Yours (Carey/Harris/Lewis/Wright) - 5:06
5. You Got Me performed by Carey / Jay-Z / Cam'Ron - 4:22
6. I Only Wanted (Carey/Cole) - 3:38
7. Clown (Carey/Davis/Harris/Tatum) - 3:17
8. My Saving Grace (Carey/Crouch/Jackson/Lawrence) - 4:09
9. You Had Your Chance (Carey/Cox/Dupri/Haywood) - 4:22
10. Lullaby (Carey/Davis/Harris) - 4:56
11. Irresistible (West Side Connection) (Carey/Jackson/Jones/Life/Wansel/Young) - 5:04
12. Subtle Invitation (7 Aurelius/Bacon/Carey/Crouch/Jackson/Smith) - 4:27
13. Bringin' on the Heartbreak (Clark/Elliot/Willis) - 4:34
14. Sunflowers for Alfred Roy (Carey/Cole) - 2:59
15. Through the Rain [Remix] performed by Carey / Kelly Price / Joe - 3:32


Does she really need to write with three or four other people per song? Holy crap.

Its so sad what these aritsts get credit for writing. IE: Avril(the anti christ) got credit for "co-writing" Complicated because she changed one word in the song. I think she changed "stupid clothes" to "preppy clothes". Oh, the talent.

A moron always speaks before knowing...anyway...MARIAH doesn't know how to write "MUSIC" by herself. She writes all her LYRICS alone quite well though.

Originally posted by Nirvana
Its so sad what these aritsts get credit for writing. IE: Avril(the anti christ) got credit for "co-writing" Complicated because she changed one word in the song. I think she changed "stupid clothes" to "preppy clothes". Oh, the talent.

:lol: They're so profound.

Mariah to "co-writer:" "Um, I think we should change this "an" here to a "the." Okay, so go ahead and give me partial songwriting credit and a quarter of the songwriting royalties."

Below is a picture of a real songwriter.

mariah writes all of her lyrics too dumbass...leave mariah alone and start a john lennon thread...and john doesn't save anyone...JESUS does! :)

Originally posted by Josh9125
mariah writes all of her lyrics too dumbass...leave mariah alone and start a john lennon thread...and john doesn't save anyone...JESUS does! :)

John Lennon saved me. From listening to puke: top-40 music.

Originally posted by AKA
John Lennon saved me. From listening to puke: top-40 music.

Well I hope soon I can be saved from evil demons like you

Originally posted by Josh9125
mariah writes all of her lyrics too dumbass...leave mariah alone and start a john lennon thread...and john doesn't save anyone...JESUS does! :)

Hmm.. could have fooled me.

Originally posted by AKA
John Lennon saved me. From listening to puke: top-40 music.

I love The Beatles but John Lennon wasn't all that great solo. Mariah sold more albums that him alone.

Originally posted by AKA
:bighug: I heart you so much, Josh!

Dude, seriously, go out and buy a real album and listen to some music. You can do so much better than Mariah Carey.

yaaaay ben folds five! they rock.

Originally posted by MonarC
I love The Beatles but John Lennon wasn't all that great solo. Mariah sold more albums that him alone.

that's true.

Originally posted by MonarC
I love The Beatles but John Lennon wasn't all that great solo. Mariah sold more albums that him alone.

Who cares about how much albums were sold. Quality over quanitity.

Originally posted by MonarC
but John Lennon wasn't all that great solo

Working Class Hero
(Lennon)

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so ****ing crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still ****ing peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me


Love Takes Time

(Carey/Margulies)

Hooo oa
Uhhhh
A yeah

I had it all
But I let it slip away
Couldn't see I treated you wrong
Now I wander around
Feeling down and cold
Trying to believe that you're gone

Love takes time
To heal then you're hurting so much
Couldn't see that I was blind
To let you go
I can't escape the pain
Inside
'Cause love takes time
I don't wanna be here
I don't wanna be here
Alone
Uhhoo

Losing my mind
From this hollow in my heart
Suddenly I'm so incomplete
Lord I'm needing you now
Tell me how to stop the rain
Tears are falling down endlessly
Ooh

Love takes time
To heal then you're hurting so much
Couldn't see that I was blind
To let you go
I can't escape the pain
Inside
'Cause love takes time
I don't wanna be here
I don't wanna be here
Alone
Uhhoo

You might say that it's over
You might say that you don't care
You might say you don't miss me
You don't need me
But I know that you do and I feel that you do
Inside
Ooh

Love takes time
To heal then you're hurting so much
Couldn't see that I was blind
To let you go
I can't escape the pain
Inside
'Cause love takes time
I don't wanna be here
I don't wanna be here
Alone
Uhhoo


Contrast, compare, take two aspirins, and call me in the morning.

Well Mariah is the best-selling solo female artist of all time worldwide...so it seems she should get a little credit for that.

quality is just an opinion. Quantity proves popularity and success!

well at least mariah mentions the lord.

Originally posted by Josh9125
Well Mariah is the best-selling solo female artist of all time worldwide...so it seems she should get a little credit for that.

So should Tommy.

thats bull...Tommy sucks

Originally posted by Josh9125
well at least mariah mentions the lord.

So does John.

God (1970)
(Lennon)

God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I'll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the Dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was The Walrus
But now I'm John
And so, dear friends,
You'll just have to carry on
The dream is over

Excerpts from
I Found Out (1970)
(Lennon)

...There ain't no Jesus gonna come from the sky
Now that I found out I know I can cry...

...I seen through junkies, I been through it all
I seen religion from Jesus to Paul...

Excerpt from
New York City (1972)
(Lennon)

...Up come a preacherman trying to be a teacher
Singing, "God's a red herring in drag!"...

Excerpt from
The Luck Of The Irish (1972)
(Lennon/Ono)

...Why the hell are the English there anyway?
As they kill with God on their side
Blame it all on the kids the IRA
As the bastards commit genocide! Aye! Aye! Genocide!...

Excerpt from
Out The Blue (1973)
(Lennon)

Everyday I thank the Lord and Lady
For the way that you came to me
Anyway it had to be two minds one destiny

Grow Old With Me (1980)
(Lennon)

Grow old along with me
The best is yet to be
When our time has come
We will be as one
God bless our love
God bless our love

Grow old along with me
Two branches of one tree
Face the setting sun
When the day is done
God bless our love
God bless our love

Spending our lives together
Man and wife together
World without end
World without end

Grow old along with me
Whatever fate decrees
We will see it through
For our love is true
God bless our love
God bless our love

Well if you want to go all out and post lyrics. You have to at least be fair. That was a love song not about the working man. Mariah has a lot of great songs of encouragement. Not like you haters would care. But here is one of my favorites.

Make It Happen

Not more than three short years ago
I was abandoned and alone
Without a penny to my name
So very young and so afraid
No proper shoes upon my feet
Sometimes I couldn't even eat
I often cried myself to sleep
Still I had to keep on going
Never knowing if I could take it
If I would make it through the night
I held on to my faith
I struggled and I prayed
And now I've found my way

Chorus:

If you believe in yourself enough
And know what you want
You're gonna make it happen
(Make it happen)
And if you get down on your knees at night
And pray to the Lord
He's gonna make it happen
(Make it happen) I know life can be so tough
And you feel like giving in
But you must be strong
Baby just hold on
You'll never find the answers
If you throw your life away
I used to feel the way you do
Still I have to keep on going
Never knowing if I could take it
If I would make it through the night
I held on to my faith
I struggled and I prayed
And now I've finally found my way

Chorus

I once was lost
But now I'm found
I got my feet on solid ground
Thank you Lord
If you believe within yourself
Just hold on tight
And don't let go
You can make it
(Make it happen)

Chorus

Originally posted by Nirvana
So should Tommy.

:lol:

Originally posted by Josh9125
thats bull...Tommy sucks

That's not bull. Sony promoted the hell out of her while she was with them, even after the Matolla-Carey divorce.

Good for him!

Edit: Do not call other people names.

Brian

Originally posted by Josh9125
Good for him!

Calling me those names hurts my feelings and makes the Baby Jesus weep! Stop, I cry, stop!

Originally posted by MonarC
Well if you want to go all out and post lyrics. You have to at least be fair. That was a love song not about the working man. Mariah has a lot of great songs of encouragement. Not like you haters would care. But here is one of my favorites.

Make It Happen

Not more than three short years ago
I was abandoned and alone
Without a penny to my name
So very young and so afraid
No proper shoes upon my feet
Sometimes I couldn't even eat
I often cried myself to sleep
Still I had to keep on going
Never knowing if I could take it
If I would make it through the night
I held on to my faith
I struggled and I prayed
And now I've found my way

Chorus:

If you believe in yourself enough
And know what you want
You're gonna make it happen
(Make it happen)
And if you get down on your knees at night
And pray to the Lord
He's gonna make it happen
(Make it happen) I know life can be so tough
And you feel like giving in
But you must be strong
Baby just hold on
You'll never find the answers
If you throw your life away
I used to feel the way you do
Still I have to keep on going
Never knowing if I could take it
If I would make it through the night
I held on to my faith
I struggled and I prayed
And now I've finally found my way

Chorus

I once was lost
But now I'm found
I got my feet on solid ground
Thank you Lord
If you believe within yourself
Just hold on tight
And don't let go
You can make it
(Make it happen)

Chorus

o i love that song!

"don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles:eek: <------- WHAT!!!!! traitor!
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality"-John Lennon


WOW with that quote alone I lost all respect for John. He just sold everyone out except himself & yoko....

Originally posted by MonarC
"don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles:eek: <------- WHAT!!!!! traitor!
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality"-John Lennon


WOW with that quote alone I lost all respect for John. He just sold everyone out except himself & yoko....

I think I'll just edit what you said to avoid any more argument.

Brian

Originally posted by Josh9125
thats bull...Tommy sucks

are you a michael jackson fan too?:lol:

Originally posted by MonarC
Make It Happen

(Carey/Clivilles/Cole)

Originally posted by MonarC
WOW with that quote alone I lost all respect for John. He just sold everyone out except himself & yoko....

Good. He doesn't need you. And apparently, you don't "get" the song.

Originally posted by Brian
I think I'll just edit what you said to avoid any more argument.

Brian, you're good people. You've always been one of my favorite posters here. Although I saw the "John Lennon is an ass" thing. You were too slow on the draw there, bro! :D

Originally posted by AKA
Although I saw the "John Lennon is an ass" thing.

As if obscene name calling will really help. Just another way to provoke something.

Originally posted by Miss Karly
As if obscene name calling will really help. Just another way to provoke something.

Totally!

Originally posted by MonarC
Josh your just fueling the fire with your anger.
GIMME FUEL, GIMME FIRE, THAT ME THAT WHICH I DESIRE! :guitar:

O lord...you people must hate Mariah a whole lot to spend 2 hours talking junk about her and arguing with her fans....

Originally posted by Josh9125
I think I'll just edit what you said to avoid any more argument.

Brian

what did you edit?:confused:

Butterfly or #1's are my favorites, back when i was obsessed with Mariah....that's all i listened to...

Originally posted by MonarC
what did you edit?:confused:


He said at the wrong time that John Lennon was an ass. I edited that post for a good reason. He spoke his opinion which is ok but he did it in a way that I deemed inflammatory especially considering that there was a conflict brewing in this thread. That's all you need to know.

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
Butterfly or #1's are my favorites, back when i was obsessed with Mariah....that's all i listened to...

Butterfly is one of my faves too.

ummm yeah but what did I say that was edited?

Originally posted by MonarC
ummm yeah but what did I say that was edited?

im confused...

too bad we can't delete all the crap that has nothing to do with this topic! If I was the mod that's what I would do.

Originally posted by MonarC
too bad we can't delete all the crap that has nothing to do with this topic! If I was the mod that's what I would do.

me too! there are so many haters. I wish they'd just leave mariah alone.

Originally posted by MonarC
too bad we can't delete all the crap that has nothing to do with this topic! If I was the mod that's what I would do.


The only thing that moderators can do is edit posts and close threads. The administrators are the only ones that can delete posts and threads. Believe me, I would be deleting posts but I'm just a moderator.

Originally posted by Brian
The only thing that moderators can do is edit posts and close threads. The administrators are the only ones that can delete posts and threads. Believe me, I would be deleting posts but I'm just a moderator.

I used to be a moderator on the Lucy Boards and a few others but it became too much for me lol.

Originally posted by Brian
The only thing that moderators can do is edit posts and close threads. The administrators are the only ones that can delete posts and threads. Believe me, I would be deleting posts but I'm just a moderator.

well thx for doing what you can :)

I'd have to choose either Mariah or Emotions

I love her old music, but she lost me in the mid-90's when she went all J-Lo on us and started working with rappers all the time. I am not nor have ever been a fan of rap music, so I lost interest when Mariah started shoving that style of music in her fans faces.

Originally posted by AKA
Working Class Hero
(Lennon)

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so ****ing crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still ****ing peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me


Love Takes Time

(Carey/Margulies)

Hooo oa
Uhhhh
A yeah

I had it all
But I let it slip away
Couldn't see I treated you wrong
Now I wander around
Feeling down and cold
Trying to believe that you're gone

Love takes time
To heal then you're hurting so much
Couldn't see that I was blind
To let you go
I can't escape the pain
Inside
'Cause love takes time
I don't wanna be here
I don't wanna be here
Alone
Uhhoo

Losing my mind
From this hollow in my heart
Suddenly I'm so incomplete
Lord I'm needing you now
Tell me how to stop the rain
Tears are falling down endlessly
Ooh

Love takes time
To heal then you're hurting so much
Couldn't see that I was blind
To let you go
I can't escape the pain
Inside
'Cause love takes time
I don't wanna be here
I don't wanna be here
Alone
Uhhoo

You might say that it's over
You might say that you don't care
You might say you don't miss me
You don't need me
But I know that you do and I feel that you do
Inside
Ooh

Love takes time
To heal then you're hurting so much
Couldn't see that I was blind
To let you go
I can't escape the pain
Inside
'Cause love takes time
I don't wanna be here
I don't wanna be here
Alone
Uhhoo


Contrast, compare, take two aspirins, and call me in the morning.


Mariah is definitely the better one there!

It's too hard for me to choose a favorite Mariah album. Possibly Music Box or Butterfly, but I love them all.

Daydream is a great album- and her best to date.

It's sad that the guy is very close-minded about music. If it's not by Bob Dylan, or any Beatle- then it must be crap. He also forgets that some of those people mentioned on the credits are producers- they are not getting credit for writing. Most of the time Mariah writes her lyrics by herself.

In his little small world, everything seems like it was written by a Beatle also. LOL... he compared Paul McCartney's "Waterfalls," to TLC's- which honestly, was MUCH better.

---

Whoever was asking about the Glitter album:

Unfortunately, the movie soundtrack did poorly as well. One factor could be that it was released on the exact day, September 11. The weird thing is that many people say that the album isn't worth listening to, and etc.- yet many CD reviewers praised the CD for being very creative. Rolling Stone called "Never Too Far," and "Love Will Lead The Way" some of her best work.

The failure of the movie led to the failure of the CD as well. The movie simply casted a big dark could over it. Glitter (the album) only sold 2 million copies WORLDWIDE (a big failure) and it led to Mariah being dropped from her big deal with Virgin.

Originally posted by HuntingtonM15
Mariah is definitely the better one there!

I think Mariah has a beautiful voice, but to say she was a better artist than Lennon is blasphemous.

If Lennon lived past 1980, I highly doubt he would've ever enforce the likes of Ja Rule, Jay-Z and Puffy (yes, I hate rap, sue me) on the world like Mariah did... but then, he did unleash Yoko Ono onto an unsuspecting public. But still, I'd rather listen to Yoko than the rappers.

I dislike Mariah for the same reason I dislike Jennifer Lopez, they forget that their core fanbase are into pop (in Mariah's case, her fanbase was mostly Michael Bolton/Celine Dion adult contemporary loving adults) and then they shove rap music down the ears of listeners who don't care for that style of music. It was a sellout to those of us who liked her in the early 90's. Just imagine what rap fans would feel if Jay-Z or someone decided to ditch rap and go rock. That's how a lot of us felt when Mariah (and more recently J-Lo) decided to go all rap on us.

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
Whoever was asking about the Glitter album:

Unfortunately, the movie soundtrack did poorly as well. One factor could be that it was released on the exact day, September 11.

that is a copout though. Nickelback's album came out the same day and was a huge seller, and I also believe Enrique Iglesias' album came out then too. I think people were starting to get sick of Mariah, and Glitter was the culmination of a "backlash", while Charmbracelet has been her humbling a little more, and she's gained back some fans who had gotten more and more jaded by her 97-01 recordings.

Think of it similar to Madonna's Erotica album from 92, a lot of people had become progressively turned off to her in the early 90's, and the Erotica album ended up suffering because many people were sick of Madonna and her "sexual antics" in 92 (I wasn't, I always liked her), and then the next album wasn't a smash, but it did help win back some of the fans she had lost.

Originally posted by Nirvana
Who cares about how much albums were sold. Quality over quanitity.

I agree, think about how many artists Backstreet Boys have outsold in the US. They sold more albums in this country than Aretha and Bowie did combined. You cannot say they were better than those 2 just because they appealed to more love-starved 13 year olds

Originally posted by MonarC
quality is just an opinion. Quantity proves popularity and success!

Quantity shows who is getting more airplay. How old are you seriously? if you honestly think BSB are better than Aretha, Stevie Nicks, David Bowie, Bob Dylan and others they have outsold in the US simply because they sold more albums, than I pity you

Originally posted by omalleyfan
that is a copout though. Nickelback's album came out the same day and was a huge seller, and I also believe Enrique Iglesias' album came out then too.

I wouldn't exactly call it a copout- because it does play a huge factor. The music on the Glitter album was very upbeat, and people at the time were turned off by that, as if the movie didn't do enough to do that. Nickelback's album didn't do that well initially either. Once people started to discover "How You Remind Me," that's when the album started to sell. Plus, their music was much more mellow (oddly.) Jay-Z also put out an album the same date, it debuted at #1, but it quickly fizzled out of the charts.

Originally posted by omalleyfan
Quantity shows who is getting more airplay. How old are you seriously? if you honestly think BSB are better than Aretha, Stevie Nicks, David Bowie, Bob Dylan and others they have outsold in the US simply because they sold more albums, than I pity you
How old am I? Try looking in my profile.
I hate BSB. :barf:
I like Aretha but not crazy about Stevie Nicks or David Bowie. Bob Dylan is an original. Don't pity me. You know nothing about me.

:D Mariah :rock:

Originally posted by omalleyfan
I think Mariah has a beautiful voice, but to say she was a better artist than Lennon is blasphemous.

YOUR opinion

Originally posted by HuntingtonM15
YOUR opinion

I know people who would rather listen to Britney than Dylan, but they would never go as far as to say she's better than Bob because they know that while Britney appeals better to them, that she really does not compare with Dylan.

Go into any rock board and say that Mariah is better (not you prefer her, but she is BETTER) than Lennon, you would be laughed off. Mariah's got some decent material, but as a whole, nothing she has done compares to the best of Lennon.

Originally posted by omalleyfan
I know people who would rather listen to Britney than Dylan, but they would never go as far as to say she's better than Bob because they know that while Britney appeals better to them, that she really does not compare with Dylan.

Go into any rock board and say that Mariah is better (not you prefer her, but she is BETTER) than Lennon, you would be laughed off. Mariah's got some decent material, but as a whole, nothing she has done compares to the best of Lennon.

I don't care if a majority wouldn't agree with me. You seem to be saying that this is a fact, which it certainly isn't. There are a lot of people who would agree with me. It is an opinion both ways. In MY opinion, nothing Lennon has done compares to what Mariah accomplishes in a day.

Originally posted by HuntingtonM15
I don't care if a majority wouldn't agree with me. You seem to be saying that this is a fact, which it certainly isn't. There are a lot of people who would agree with me. It is an opinion both ways. In MY opinion, nothing Lennon has done compares to what Mariah accomplishes in a day.

That says a lot...I sure wish people would quit trying to cause havoc by talking junk on Mariah on a thread focused on asking fans their favorite album by her.

Originally posted by MonarC
How old am I? Try looking in my profile.
I hate BSB. :barf:
I like Aretha but not crazy about Stevie Nicks or David Bowie. Bob Dylan is an original. Don't pity me. You know nothing about me.

well, I stated that because you used Mariah outselling Lennon as confirmation that she's better just because she sold more albums than him, and I was pointing out that with the same logic, than apparently BSB are better than Aretha, Nicks, Bowie (even if you aren't crazy about either, you do agree at least they're superior to Backstreet, right) and Dylan because just like Mariah has outsold Lennon, BSB outsold all of those.

Anyways, debating chart stats and album sales is useless because for many artists, their best albums may not be the best seller.

we all have our personal tastes, but to say that someone is better than someone just because they sold more albums or had more #1 hits is irrelevant because there has been some real garbage that has sold tens of million of copies, and there's been albums that everyone who heard it loved and might've only sold 300,000 copies.

Originally posted by omalleyfan
well, I stated that because you used Mariah outselling Lennon as confirmation that she's better just because she sold more albums than him, and I was pointing out that with the same logic, than apparently BSB are better than Aretha, Nicks, Bowie (even if you aren't crazy about either, you do agree at least they're superior to Backstreet, right) and Dylan because just like Mariah has outsold Lennon, BSB outsold all of those.

Anyways, debating chart stats and album sales is useless because for many artists, their best albums may not be the best seller.

we all have our personal tastes, but to say that someone is better than someone just because they sold more albums or had more #1 hits is irrelevant because there has been some real garbage that has sold tens of million of copies, and there's been albums that everyone who heard it loved and might've only sold 300,000 copies.

Monar C never actually said she was better for selling more, moron. She just said the # of albums showed shows SUCCESS. And mariah is the best selling female solo artist of all time so just leave it at that.

Originally posted by Josh9125
Monar C never actually said she was better for selling more, moron. She just said the # of albums showed shows SUCCESS. And mariah is the best selling female solo artist of all time so just leave it at that.

god, defensive aren't we "moron"? I have my favorite artists too but I'm not going to attack someone because they don't like them. I mean, what has Mariah done for you to get so up in arms if someone dislikes her? She's not your sister, she's not your mom, she hasn't written any songs especially for you.

Mariah may be the best selling female solo artist of all time but that doesn't mean I am gonna think she's the best. It's not like Celine, Madonna and Whitney are so far behind her that they could never catch up. The four of them are within 10 million of each other, if any of them ever had a big blockbuster album again (highly unlikely tho), they could easily overtake Mariah.

Why am I not a big fan of Mariah?
1. I don't like the rap music she's shoved down our throats ever since Honey
2. she keeps remaking songs that frankly don't need to be remade. I know a lot of rock fans who have never cared about her one way or the other, but they hate her now for ruining Def Leppard's song. I don't mind her cover of Heartbreak, but I know plenty of huge Def Leppard fans who have gone as far as to send complaint letters to the band for letting Mariah cover their song. I also remember when she remade Against All Odds, she did a decent job with the song, but there are other Phil Collins songs that are less linked with him that you could cover. Mariah did a good job with the song, but Phil's version is a classic.
3. her fans trash every other female artist of importance to the extent that if you are a bigger fan of Celine, Madonna, Whitney, Janet or the like, that you pretty much want to hate Mariah for the way her fans act towards others.

If you like Mariah, good for you. But don't be a sheep. No artist is 100% great all the time. When I was a teenager in the 1980's, I used to think Madonna could do no wrong, even defended crap like Shanghai Surprise. Looking back I realize how blind I was. I still like Madonna to this day, but I can point out her flaws and when she puts out a subpar album or a really bad movie, I will be the first to admit it instead of trying to defend it because a "good fan defends". Early Mariah rocks (did you get that I stated that already) but if she puts out something that is decent, I'll like it, but if she puts out something I dislike, I will admit it's not any good, instead of playing the "well, any good Mariah Carey fan will love everything she did".

Originally posted by omalleyfan

we all have our personal tastes

there ya go.. ya just said it.... We all think our fav artists are better than others so why fight about it.

This is suppose to be a topic for fans.....
Anyways for me its hard to choose a favorite i like different songs on each album.
......her first album was really good with "Vision of Love" .......
"Make it happen" is also a really good song from "Emotions"
Mariah is a talented artist i don't understand why people have to hate on her so much.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by MonarC

we all have our personal tastes
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there ya go.. ya just said it.... We all think our fav artists are better than others so why fight about it.

yea, and I apologize for my posts, so I apologize to you, Josh and Huntington.

I think it all went wrong when a rock fan posted against Mariah, because I do like Mariah (tho I much prefer her earlier stuff, I liked music of all of her albums. I own all her cd's except Butterfly, yes even Glitter) and I also like Lennon, but in all honestly, you cannot compare them, not because one is so much better than the other but merely that they are so different. When you think of Mariah, a rival would be someone along the lines of Celine, Whitney, Toni, or even (tho they aren't in the same vocalist league, but in terms of success and stardom) Janet and Madonna. And with Lennon, you'd think more along the lines of McCartney, Dylan, Jagger and co. Mariah and John are polar opposites in terms of music style that it's insane to compare them, because both are grade A for what they did.

So what's everyones favorite Mariah song in here? For me it's Underneath The Stars.

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Originally posted by omalleyfan
So what's everyones favorite Mariah song in here? For me it's Underneath The Stars.

Anytime You Need A Friend

Originally posted by omalleyfan
yea, and I apologize for my posts, so I apologize to you, Josh and Huntington.

I think it all went wrong when a rock fan posted against Mariah, because I do like Mariah (tho I much prefer her earlier stuff, I liked music of all of her albums. I own all her cd's except Butterfly, yes even Glitter) and I also like Lennon, but in all honestly, you cannot compare them, not because one is so much better than the other but merely that they are so different.
So what's everyones favorite Mariah song in here? For me it's Underneath The Stars.

Well thx for the apology... The reason why we defend Mariah so much is cause she is a very unique person who has a very strong conncetion with her true fans. We feel as if we know her personally. A lot of her songs that you don't hear on the radio are very personal, so this is how we get so close to her. Also I have been a fan for a longgggg time. Ever since the begining. So I will defend her forever... :D

And your right you can't compare her to other artist in diff catagories. But sales do matter. That's what the majority of people like. She is up there with ELVIS and THE BEATLES and like it or not... That means she is better according to her album sales. The numbers don't lie... And if people buy alot of a certain album that you think sux... well that's just how it goes.

The truth is Mariah is a very unique person who has an amazing voice. She has inspired alot of the young girls who are out there today singing. And in my opinion she will always the the best female singer of all time...

ummm

Rainbow

I love Daydream!

If I had to pick of a favorite Mariah song (which is almost impossible) I think id say "Cant Take That Away"

Song for song, I'd have to go with her 1990 debut album. It was one of my favorite albums PERIOD growing up. After that, I'd probably say Fantasy, Rainbow and Mimi. Of course, the two disc Greatest Hits is very cool, too. :D

WOW! Monika I can't believe you dug up this old MC thread. :lol: I was so passionate. :D

I think my favorite album now is E=MC2 still listening to that album. :D

Music Box

Of course, Music Box and Daydream are the only two I own. I haven't listened to either in probably 10 years though. When Musicbox came out during my junior year of high school, I really liked it. I especially liked "Hero", "Anytime You Need A Friend" and her cover of "Without You".

WOW! Monika I can't believe you dug up this old MC thread. :lol: I was so passionate. :D

I think my favorite album now is E=MC2 still listening to that album. :D
I meant to put Daydream - Fantasy was the first single released from that album. We're the same age, Ardis, so we grew up with her music. 18 (!!) years later, she's still going strong!! :cool: