Okay, this should go under "Lucie Hates Lucy" but I'm posting it here because there's 10 pages, and you'd get lost trying to see my reply. Here it is:


Ya'll will just have to face the truth, Lucy was cold and bitter alot, and for crying out loud, give Desi a freakin break!! Most people focus on Lucy too much, and throw dirt in Desi's face because he had problems too. Ya'll think Lucy was just so perfect.
She heaps endless praise on her alcoholic, cheating father, but hasn't a single kind word to say about her mother.
Grrr........have you ever watched the home movies?? I don't blame Lucie for one bit for praising her "alchoholic, cheating father". He was an awesome man. On the home movies she said he had a way about him that was joyous, and another part where she said, 'he was working all the time, but when he came home, he would do stuff with us.' Then with her mother she said when she came, 'she would still be working.'
At least through all his problems and stress, he at least took time out for kids. That explains why Lucie praises her father more than her mother.
Grr...what am I gonna do with people like you?
Without Desi, ILL wouldn't be anywhere as good today.

whoa.. take a chill, calm down relax. We picked Desi sure but.. if you read through the posts ( which you obviously didnt) we also picked at Lucy some. Yes most of us here are her fans, but we also like Desi too and have alot of respect for him. Calm down some,a nd read through all the post before you go and post stuff like that.

I was mainly directing this reply to the first post. thank you very much. :p

sorry, but do not mess with me with this issue. im just sick of it..okay?

ohh i see you are a newbie..... ???... well.. i will say how i feel on the subject, and if you are going to make a thread about it, then obviously people will reply. And "Do not mess with me" when it comes to Lucy because I will defend her thanks. And if you are sick of it.. then why did you make a thread? just wondering, and by the way .. welcome to the boards.

lol, okay, let's just stop this, because I hate to fight like this..don't get wrong.. I LOVE LUCY TOO!! I'm not going to be hanging out here to much..I hang out at TVLand message boards..known as babalucy there too..have you been there?

nope just here and some other sites.

So sorry to see you won't be hanging around here, if you did you'd see that we treat everybody, Lucy, Desi, everybody, fairly here, there are T W O sides to every story, unfortunately Lucy is no longer here to reply to her daughter, so we're helping Lucy out by clarifying her daughter's memory somewhat.

:) Sorry Splain, I'm not helping Lucy! I'm here to defend Desi. So go babalucy! Except, you know - politely!

:p

But is she old enough to know what a boozer womanizer gambler is? Just joking, i'm sure he could have been a good daddy to her or granddaddy or great granddaddy, or . . . of course at her age, she would be able to just keep jiggling, keep jiggling! Just like Peggy inThe Young Fans!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
But is she old enough to know what a boozer womanizer gambler is? Just joking, i'm sure he could have been a good daddy to her or granddaddy or great granddaddy, or . . . of course at her age, she would be able to just keep jiggling, keep jiggling! Just like Peggy inThe Young Fans!

:lol:

Yeah, sure, you liked it, but i dun't thin Babalucy will, we're just joking here baba, and why isn't it BabaRicky then?

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Yeah, sure, you liked it, but i dun't thin Babalucy will, we're just joking here baba, and why isn't it BabaRicky then?

Who on earth knows LOL

Maggie, we're only funnin with ya here, we all love Desi too you know, just not as much as Lucy! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey, speak for yourself! Not all of us like Lucy best.

And she's called babalucy 'cause it's a play on words...

:wave:

okay, you guys, are being mean, I have every right to post my opinion. I love Lucy too!! But I do like Ricky better.

Thanks Mickey!! :D

I told you, we're just funnin here, i LOVE Desi so much more than Lucy, and if you believe that, i have some swamp land to sell you in Florida! Seriously Maggie, if i had been friends with them, i would not have been happy with a blunt person like Lucy, i would much have preferred a loving caring person like Desi. I have to go now, i'm working on getting bush re-elected.

Splain, behave yourself. There'll be no talk like "getting Bush re-elected" on a family site, thankyou very much. Very very rude words...

Babalucy, for years I've never understood the fascination with Lucy, at the expense of Desi. I suppose it's because she was a woman in a man's world, and was the first woman to do so much of what she did. Well sorry everybody, but regular visitors here know that I think Desi is much funnier! And plays a nicer character in ILL. And is a better drummer. And giggles more in the show when he shouldn't. :)

If Lucy deserves respect (and she does, a hell of a lot of it) for being a woman in a man's world back then, Desi deserves the same amount of respect for being a Latino in a world where it's still hard to get by.

And did I mention that he was funnier than Lucy? :)

He was H I L A R I O U S , especially when he tried to A C T ! The bush remark was only meant to confirm that i was lying, anybody who knows me knows i despise the man!

I agree all the way Mickey Richardson! (haha, what Lucy's mother called Ricky on ILL, ya know? lol)
Desi and Lucy should have equal respect..

and I do think Desi is funnier! :lol: Me and my brother like him the best! My mom likes *coughs* Ethel the best! And my dad..dunno? lol
It's just so funny to see how Desi reacts to situations, just watching his face is hilarious! He was a genius with comedy. And Lucy...she was great when she was given something to do..stomping grapes, candy factory..and I love her face when she first tasted Vitameatavegimin...:lol:
I can't explain it, but I still will always love Desi the best. ;) *shrugs*

ouuu, yeah...Desi had the sexiest laugh! O.o

^.^

Thank God the television Academy never agreed with you two! LOL! I always did like his answer to that though, he said he would only gripe if they had a BEST CONGA PLAYER catagory and he didn't win that!

:lol:

Originally posted by babalucy
sorry, but do not mess with me with this issue. im just sick of it..okay?

A lot of us are sick of a lot of things, but we try to talk it out constructively, not with attacks. If you have a point to make, make it, but lines like, What am I going to do with people like you? don't cut it with me.

So take a deep breath, and relax. It's not life and death.

My thoughts are this...without having to repeat or contradict my previous thoughts in the LUCY/LUCIE thread.

I do admire his creativity and talent and the fact he pioneered television.

I don't beleive there was ever be another Love as temultuous and intense as theirs.

Lucy LOVED Desi.....would do anything for him.

I don't praise him as a person...I don't think you can cover up for the fact he did what he did to Lucy. his wmanizing and boozing hurt Lucy...and I have read his book and he makes it clear in saying he loved her...But when you Love someone like he says he loves her....you don't go out and purposely do those things knowing how much it hurts that person. There are NO excuses for that. He says it is his culture and I see so many of the Desilu people he worked with accept that. When he came to America and became naturalized, which was actually later on....he became American, which means you take on American cultures. (taken aside the fact that today everybody and there cousin booze and browse we are talking about over 60 some years ago) he says in his culture, a man should have as many women as he has hairs on his head. Some one explain this....when you have Lucy, who his the most wonderful and most perfectly beutiful woman in your life, and you have everything with her why would you look elsewhere? I don't think at that time there was a woman as beautiful as Lucy. The women he was with, had nothing on the beauty Lucy had. I think in having to booze and browse, while he had everything in the most wonderful treasure in the world at home......I would have to say desi was in severe need of a "Feeseekeyatrist".

I also do not think Desi should be an honerary citizen of Jamestown and Cleoron New York. But we all know why that is now don't we???

:rolleyes: I'm sure Desi's boozing and "browsing" as the poster above put it were primary factors in the breakdown of the Lucy-Desi Relationship, after all we all know that Lucy was not perfect (I am not going to go any further with this as I know where LUCILLEBALL is going to go with it...I am a bit sick of it). Desi is honoured in Jamestown and Celoron because he and Lucy were two groups of people that will forever be linked. He was the love of Lucy's life, the person who Lucy brought back to Jamestown for Hunt's funeral and the premiere of Forever Darling. There is no reason why Desi should not be honored in this way. Besides, if Lucy and Desi did not have each other it is not likely that there would be so many people talking about Lucille Ball today.

When he came to America and became naturalized, which was actually later on....he became American, which means you take on American cultures

Nope. Sorry. When you go to live in a country you don't have to take on their cultures. Going off topic now, granted, but... no. For starters what's American culture? There are hundreds of them, and rightly so, since your ancestors come from all over the world. It's the same in the UK. When people come here from other countries and settle we don't demand that they all become Christian by religion, and speak nothing but English, and drop the traditions of their religions and culture!

Anyway... moving swiftly on...

Yes Splain, I knew exactly what you were saying when you mentioned Bush's election campaign! I just can't seem to resist the chance to be very rude about him. :)

*clears throat* I can say whatever I want, however I want it on this board..ya'll don't own it! Ya'll just think I'm a stupid 'newbie' ruining the boards.. :(
This is just ya'll's opinion about Desi! There are lots more ILL fans than here ya know, and I know lots more people who love Desi the best..so don't speak for everyone!

Lucy-Desi lover 4ever!! :D That's the way it should be for ILL fans. If you just admire Lucy, why don't you just watch the Lucy Show or something? :lol:

Anyways, enough of this... *sigh*

dude... calm down!! havent we already said that we love desi too? Course some of us love Lucy more and alot of other people like desi more. Who cares,we were just picking on both of them for awhile. We dont think you are stupid, I personally just think you shouldnt have made the thread.

Okay, okay..Sorry! I'm not usually like this, it's just that it was such a shock to come over here, and reading some of the things I read. I mean literally my stomach was doing flip-flops. lol O.O

Say what you want, where you want, Babalucy - just don't go winding people up. Otherwise it'll turn into a free for all, like the 'Lucie hate Lucy' thread very nearly did. I agree with you, certain people are very hard on poor Desi. Any faults that marriage had were a fifty-fifty split between him and Lucy, and neither of them was a saint.

That's so true. Lucy might have been hard to work with, being a hard working perfectionist, but she was also generous. Desi might have cheated and drank and gambled away a fortune, but he was a gregarious charmer who used to take his kids by the hand to go check out a sunset or rainbow. When we remember them, we must remember them fairly, they were human like all of us, would any of us like our dirty laundry aired out for everybody to see? But also remember Maggie, that this place is famous for it's harshness, but it's never boring here, when nobody posts, they start a thread like Lucie Hates Lucy and we all join in. If there was no truth to it, it would have ended long ago. I only wish Lucie's biggest fan Laura would join in to give us the OTHER side of the coin.

Originally posted by Mickey
Nope. Sorry. When you go to live in a country you don't have to take on their cultures. Going off topic now, granted, but... no. For starters what's American culture? There are hundreds of them, and rightly so, since your ancestors come from all over the world. It's the same in the UK. When people come here from other countries and settle we don't demand that they all become Christian by religion, and speak nothing but English, and drop the traditions of their religions and culture!


So very true. We have a lot of Mexicans here, and a good chunk of them don't learn English (or take a long time in doing so) and they still practice their own customs. Same goes with many of the SE Asians we have here.

Originally posted by babalucy
*clears throat* I can say whatever I want, however I want it on this board..ya'll don't own it!

But I do moderate it, so if whatever you say is rude or argumentative, it will be taken care of. So no, you can't say whatever you want, whenever...no one can.

And learn to live with others' opinions. If you get mad everytime people like Lucy better than Desi, you're in for a very sad life.

okay, this post was ended awhile ago, please don't start it again.

Oh and one more thing, it seems this person is not the same Babalucy who is Maggie and 15 on another board, sorry about that, just the same name, that's all!

Maggie? :confused:

Yes, i thought you were the OTHER Babalucy who is 15 year old Maggie on Babalu's site, sorry about that!

LOL I dont think the other maggie would post that kind of stuff Claude!!

Um, no, hehe. My name's Bekah. hehe Well really Rebekah, but you know. Maybe I should change my screen name? And I'm almost 15 (look at my profile).

LOL I dont think the other maggie would post that kind of stuff Claude!!


:(

Originally posted by babalucy
:(

ill PM you.

Pass the Ben Gay, i've got ties older than you!:lol: So what's your real name that she can't pronouce then? Jody? I never meant to insult either this Babalucy or the other one, i just wanted more background on who i was talking to, as sometimes some people pretend to be other people.

Originally posted by SPLAIN
I never meant to insult either this Babalucy or the other one, i just wanted more background on who i was talking to, as sometimes some people pretend to be other people.

Hey Claude, this IS Maggie from Babalu's site. I was never insulted at all, I'm just sorry this all got so confusing. :crazy: Glad it's all sorted out now. ;)

Great, i'm glad you cleared things up. Nice to have you here, maybe a sweet little thing like you could offset some of the harder ones on here, LOL! I think most of the posters here have done time in OZ! LOL! But, they're seldom boring, i gotta give them that!

Hi! I just had to put my 2 cents in about the Desi coming to America and still practicing his culture thing. America is the land of the free. Everone has the right to the freedoms we all enjoy. Granted some of the decisions Desi made were not the best, but we're all human and NOBODY is perfect.:)

P.S. I'm fairly new so HI!:wave:

Originally posted by Love, Lucy
And "Do not mess with me" when it comes to Lucy because I will defend her

I'm with ya on this one baby!

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
I'm with ya on this one baby!


yay!! LOL Btw its Ash ( LUCYBALL1000 from LucyTalk) Im glad you had fun at jamestown!!

Include me in the WE WILL DEFEND LUCY CLUB, she can't do it herself anymore!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Include me in the WE WILL DEFEND LUCY CLUB, she can't do it herself anymore!

LOL Can i be junior president of that?? Someone else can be president if they would like to be!!

I think i told you already, but that is another awesome pic of Lucy you've got there lady!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
I think i told you already, but that is another awesome pic of Lucy you've got there lady!

Thank you! I think this is my favorite one so far... i found it on google.com ( go to images and type in Lucille Ball..) Also for really awesome pictures of her go to www.corbis.com they have some great ones too!!


Ash*

Oh wow, thanks for posting that site! There are some good ones there, and there's nothing I like more than to check out pictures of Lucy (and Desi) that I've never seen before!

Your welcome!! :) If you know of any other picture sites like that.. let me know! I love looking at pictures of Lucy! I have a huge file folder at home on the computer filled with them! LOL.


Ash*

I have a huge folder of pictures of them too! I especially love candids of Lucy and Desi together. I find many of the rare ones on e-bay, but it takes great patience going on there to look for pics because I may only find one or two saveable ones each time I look.

I havent tried ebay yet!! I mainly use yahoo, google, and corbis. I am going to try and find other picture sites too.. ill letcha know when i find them!! :)

Ok, thanks. I'm still going through the pictures on this corbis site, and it really is treasure trove. There's so many that I haven't seen before. Thanks again! :wave:

picsearch.com is another great site too!!! :D. Just to let everyone know.. ( i just found it)

ouuu wow! corbis has some great pics of Lucy and Desi! :D

There's also a yahoo group that posts rare pics of Lucy too. Can't remember the exact name though:(

Thanks!! I'll check it out when i get home ;).

You guys were right, great pics there, thanks for posting those!

Thanks for those links! I remember spending like a half hour at Corbis once, going through all the pictures. They're really great. :)

Oh, and put me down to defend Lucy too! :D :thumbsup:

Nice little club we've started. And we don't even have to come up with a slogan, the title of the show will do!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
I think i told you already, but that is another awesome pic of Lucy you've got there lady!

I have that one in an 11x14 AUTOGRAPHED and it's wondaful! It's one of my favorites!

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
I have that one in an 11x14 AUTOGRAPHED and it's wondaful! It's one of my favorites!


Ahh! Lucky!! I think this is my new favorite picture though for now.. it always changes! LOL. And Claude I love the title that you picked out for the club!! :D

Well, isn't that why we're all here on Lucy boards, to defend her memory and keep her legacy alive?

Originally posted by bweir
:rolleyes: I'm sure Desi's boozing and "browsing" as the poster above put it were primary factors in the breakdown of the Lucy-Desi Relationship, after all we all know that Lucy was not perfect (I am not going to go any further with this as I know where LUCILLEBALL is going to go with it...I am a bit sick of it). Desi is honoured in Jamestown and Celoron because he and Lucy were two groups of people that will forever be linked. He was the love of Lucy's life, the person who Lucy brought back to Jamestown for Hunt's funeral and the premiere of Forever Darling. There is no reason why Desi should not be honored in this way. Besides, if Lucy and Desi did not have each other it is not likely that there would be so many people talking about Lucille Ball today.

When did you become so ANTI-LUCY? Are you a Lucie, Desi or Lucy fan? :confused:

Originally posted by bweir
[BIf Lucy and Desi did not have each other it is not likely that there would be so many people talking about Lucille Ball today. [/B]

What makes you say that? I like her just as much in "Best Foot Forward" as I do in "I Love Lucy".

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
When did you become so ANTI-LUCY? Are you a Lucie, Desi or Lucy fan? :confused:

:eek:

I am NOT anti-Lucy, Sherry. Knowing that she was not a perfect person does not deminish my respect and admiration of her. It is just that I have tried to look at as many perspectives on the woman as I possibly find and those are my conclusions. I am a Lucille Ball fan. I am a Desi Arnaz fan. I am a Lucie Arnaz fan. I didn't know my "fandom" had to be exclusive to one person.

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
What makes you say that? I like her just as much in "Best Foot Forward" as I do in "I Love Lucy".

Yes, as do I. HOWEVER, if I remember correctly, you were first "introduced" to Lucille Ball through I Love Lucy, so if that show never happened, you would have probably only found that movie due to your interest in the Big Band sound.

Originally posted by bweir
I didn't know my "fandom" had to be exclusive to one person.

It doesn't.

I know. Thank you. :)

Originally posted by bweir
I know. Thank you. :)

:)

But there is soooooo much more to Lucy than I love Lucy. She was multitalented. Her movies are just as good as her shows, because she gets to show that she is not just some ditzy clown. I was first introduced to her through her shows, I watched with my grammy when I was a kid. But when I started watching her in movies, i wfell in love with Lucy because i found there is much more to this lady, and I cannot name any other actress or actor for that matter that has a smuch fame from their movies as their tv shows. Remember she started in her movies and became Queen of the B's and would do whatever it took to stay in the game, or especially of it meant getting a laugh, which is what she wanted to do to begin with. That was her nitch. She loved to be in the "arena" of show biz and doing films, but her nitch was in making people laugh and she found that when television came to her. I have the pleasure of hearing her old time radio shows...My Favorite Husband. I think it is as funny, if not funnier than I Love Lucy. Sure, most people come to know her and love her because of her work in I Love Lucy, but that is not to say, anyone couldn't love her because of her "other" stuff she did. There were Lucy fans BEFORE I love Lucy. Some people forget that though.

Lucille, I honestly believe that there's nobody here who forgets what a multi-talented person Lucy was, or the many, many things she did before and after ILL. I've also never noticed anybody being rude about her here. Proposing alternative views, perhaps. She did hundreds of films, with big and small roles in many of them. ILL was the show that made her a big, lasting name, but I'm sure it's inspired many other people to go and watch other things that she did. Same as The A-Team made so many people investigate George Peppard's movie career.

Dawsongirl, I know that you closed that other thread down, and I'm sorry to reawaken one of the points in it; but you keep closing down threads where people have had a go at me before I have a chance to reply! Yes I prefer Desi to Lucy, Lucille. I don't see why that means I can't come to an ILL forum. It's the show's name, not a statement of preference! When I first saw ILL, quite by accident one morning, having never heard of it or Desi, I was already very familiar with Lucy's work. I'm a Bob Hope fan, see, and that had made be look into some of Lucy's other things. I watched ILL, loved it, but happened to prefer Desi. I don't like Lucy's films, and yes I have seen a lot of them. I just happened to come out of the show preferring Desi. Not as a person necessarily - I never met either of them, and would therefore never profess to love either of them, and claim to know what they were like in person. I do have a bunch of his albums though. I'm genuinely sorry if my point of view offends you, but hard luck. Desi is the one who made me laugh more, and it's Desi's outside ILL work that I prefer.

:)

There is certainly nothing wrong in liking Desi more than Lucy but you have to admit it's not the normal reaction to make statements like Desi was funnier than Lucy. What some people like me forget is that this site is a sitcoms site that pays tribute to the TV shows and is not per se a Lucy site, so maybe that's why we sometimes get very vocal about defending her. Also, this site has a lot more directness and bluntness, which while more interesting, sometimes pushes some people's buttons. Trouble is i sometimes see my friends come on here and attack each other when there's no need for that, but like i've said many times before, they should print the PM's, nobody would ever get bored. Of course, nobody would talk to one another either, LOL! There's nothing wrong with having different views, that can get very interesting, as long as we remember to be civil to one another. I myself am improving in that department, when recently attacked by someone, i confronted her but asked why she did it and made my case and now we are friends. And, isn't that why we're all here to talk about subjects we like with our friends?

Well I certainly used to think we were all friends. I hope we still are!

yes we are still friends. I just dont like it when people rip Lucy a part without really knowing any of the real facts. So therefore, I get very defensive of her. As I have said before...

And you do a great job of it too! I am on both sides of that fence, i don't see Lucy as perfect in any way, but definitely a one of a kind entertainer who really touched the world and is still a mentor to people 14 years after leaving this world, which is no mean accomplishment! When we find imperfections in her way of life, maybe we should remember that our lives aren't up for scrutiny like hers was, and also think that we're all human beings with flaws, although none of us will ever affect the world the way she did.

Exactly. We shouldn't be arguing about who loves Lucy more, or about who was better. Everyone in that cast made it work. Speaking of facts, if Lucille Ball herself were to read some of these threads dis-crediting Desi Arnaz, she'd be awfully upset and apalled. For those claiming how much they love Lucy and put down Desi at the same time, you'd better believe she wouldn't love you back! SO you can't possibly love Lucy if you don't love Desi and recognize all of his hard work and major decisions, because she spent her whole life trying to make the world realize how much of a hard worker and businessman he was. Lets just put our hands down, give the credit when it's due, and move on.;)

Well, that one's a toughie! She built him up in the eyes of the world so he wouldn't just be Mr Ball, she did the same thing for Gary, she didn't want either one to be held up to ridicule. But although she loved Desi with all her heart her whole life, you're wrong in only one area, Lucy was totally up front and honest and she would accept what we said if we made sure we balanced it all out. There are two sides to every story. Both of them had good and bad about them as we all do. On the Barbara Walters interview, full version, she says Desi was a loser, but she doesn't say it the way we understand that word today. She says whatever he built up, he had to eventually tear down, and said Desi would be the first one to say that was true. To see what he was capable of at the start of the fifties and yet become incapable of working at the end of the same decade is unbelievable. Then again, Hollywood is responsable for some of it, he fought in a hard industry for years and it made him sick, he tried to stay on top, but maybe for him the big thing was to prove that he could get beyond the names they were calling him and once he proved them wrong, he just gave up, the challenge dissapeared. Or it could be that the demons took over or even that Lucy wasn't the only one to be devestated by their marriage breakup. Maybe, the retiring, the losing his status, the not seing his kids all year and other factors played into it also. His daughter described him as an open wound, and we all know the mother had problems in that area also, maybe trying to live up to the image of the Ricardos was impossible to achieve and they naively thought they could do it, who knows?

I am really dying to see that Barbara Walters interview.

It's on your tape, you'll be able to chime in some comments next week, LOL!

Let me quote her better on that loser thing. She said he could win win win high stakes, but whatever he built up he had to tear down, that's what she meant by loser. Every comment she made about him, and she wasn't used to making them at this point in time, they were getting along so well after the divorce, talking on the phone practically every day and consulting each other about the kids all the time, that she made the effort to temper all her comments with a fair account, he was overly generous, but he had to lose and so on . . . so to get back to your original comment, i think both of them don't mind as long as we give both sides and try to be fair.

Originally posted by Mickey
Dawsongirl, I know that you closed that other thread down, and I'm sorry to reawaken one of the points in it; but you keep closing down threads where people have had a go at me before I have a chance to reply! Yes I prefer Desi to Lucy, Lucille. I don't see why that means I can't come to an ILL forum. It's the show's name, not a statement of preference! When I first saw ILL, quite by accident one morning, having never heard of it or Desi, I was already very familiar with Lucy's work. I'm a Bob Hope fan, see, and that had made be look into some of Lucy's other things. I watched ILL, loved it, but happened to prefer Desi. I don't like Lucy's films, and yes I have seen a lot of them. I just happened to come out of the show preferring Desi. Not as a person necessarily - I never met either of them, and would therefore never profess to love either of them, and claim to know what they were like in person. I do have a bunch of his albums though. I'm genuinely sorry if my point of view offends you, but hard luck. Desi is the one who made me laugh more, and it's Desi's outside ILL work that I prefer.

:)

I apologize, but I didn't want anything to get further out of hand. :)

Originally posted by bweir
Yes, as do I. HOWEVER, if I remember correctly, you were first "introduced" to Lucille Ball through I Love Lucy, so if that show never happened, you would have probably only found that movie due to your interest in the Big Band sound.

True. I think it was destiny though.

Originally posted by Mkaleek
you can't possibly love Lucy if you don't love Desi

Not arguing or trying to start one but I don't agree with that. They're two different people so how can we not love one but not the other? I like Desi as a business person and producer....don't get me wrong. I'm just a Lucille Ball fan and yall have to understand that I just get defensive of her and hate what she went through, that's all. :talk:

That's my problem too Mickey, i LOVE Lucy, first and foremost, then, i started liking and getting to know more of Desi, Viv and Bill and the writers, Jess, the co stars, the kids, the people in her orbit, anybody connected to her in some way i start appreciating more, but basically it's Lucy Lucy Lucy, all the way! She's the nucleus!

Originally posted by Mickey
Dawsongirl, I know that you closed that other thread down, and I'm sorry to reawaken one of the points in it; but you keep closing down threads where people have had a go at me before I have a chance to reply!

Yes, I agree with that, and there's one thing I wanted to say after reading that thread. Some people seem to think that, because we step up to defend Desi here and there, it means that we are somehow Lucy haters. Not so.

Personally, I am a fan of both Lucy and Desi and prefer to view the situation from both perspectives. I'm not going to look at one side of things and ignore the other. It wouldn't be fair to either of them.

People are so quick to throw stones at Desi, calling him a sleeze bag for cheating on his wife. I'll be the first to admit that cheating is a terrible thing, there's no excuse for it. NONE. But, as I've mentioned before, Lucy did the same thing. She dated a married man (and father-to-be) when she was first starting out in Hollywood and knew full well what she was doing. Call that Lucy bashing if you want, but I really don't think it is. I'm just stating the facts, trying to point out that neither one of them was perfect -- nobody is perfect, for that matter. So why continue to point out the flaws of one while ignoring the flaws of the other? And why do people seem to think that some of us are taking one side over the other? I'm not. I'm just trying to look at things objectively, that's all.



Originally posted by Mickey
Desi is the one who made me laugh more, and it's Desi's outside ILL work that I prefer.

I'll have to say that Lucy was the biggest contributer to the humor on ILL, no doubt about it. But Desi was very funny in his own right. Someone in the other thread stated that the show would have been just as successful with Richard Denning as the husband. To that I say, no way! So many stories came out of the fact that Desi had a Cuban background. When it came time for the husband to scold Lucy, it wouldn't have been nearly as funny without that accent of Desi's and those eyes popping out of their sockets. Even his background in music and performing worked; it set the stage for Lucy to try to "get into the act." I've seen episodes from all three of Lucy's other shows. Still good tv, but there's something missing--and that something was Desi. He added sooooo much to that show. All four of 'em did.

THANK YOU! VERY WELL SAID!!

I love Desi because he was different on the show. It wouldn;t be the same if it was a normal American husband. I can't imagine ILL without his eye-popping Spanish rants and raves or his Spanish-tinged accent or his mispronunciation of words, or the way he acts like a father to Lucy and she responds with "Yes, sir", or all his songs that I know every word to (except the Spanish ones, haha), or the way he loves Lucy, or his big booming laugh, or the way he dances with his drum, or his handsome self altogether.
I could go on and on. I can't imagine ILL without Ricky Ricardo aka Mickey Richardson (haha).
Desi did a pretty good job not being crazy like Lucy huh? ;) He didn't have to act crazy.

We could argue that one all day. I think the show would have been just as successful with Denning because it was what Lucy did that made the show funny, though Desi's reactions to what she did were enhanced by his bug eyed look and especially his behind the scenes manouevers. If he had'nt produced, the show would have suffered, but the writers were the real geniuses with their brilliant dialogue and great situations that Lucy enacted perfectly. However, i am the first one to point out that Desi himself said she deserved 90 percent of the credit for the success of the show, and he's correct. Jess Oppenheimer added that if you remove Desi or Viv or the writers or any element of the show, the show suffers, but if you removed Lucy it dies. BUT, we all know that Lucy and Desi and Viv and Bill and the writers and everybody else made an excellent contribution to the show that became the most popular of all time. Why debate who was the most important, let's just be thankful all of them got together when they did. And for the last time both Lucy and Desi had qualities and faults, i always see both when thinking about either one.

hahaah. You couldn't put Denning in there now even if you tried huh? The show is the greatest in the history of history, so lets just appreciate it even more and stop wondering "if". I guess it's just natural.

Originally posted by *ShortCake*
ohh i see you are a newbie.....

What does that have to do with having an opinion?

New game. Try to guess where ConservativeBaller's political allegiances lie... :lol:

As for that newbie comment, CB, you came in during a big argument, and things were getting unpleasant. I hope it's all blown over now. Comments like "I don't need to get reprimanded by a kid", for example, weren't doing anybody any good. We're all friends again now though. Just so long as everybody agrees that Desi is best. :p

And in the interests of balance:

Down with Bush!!

That's why it's so hard to not like you when you bash Lucy Mickey, because at least i know politically you are so SMART, i echo your feelings about the world leader who ignored the UN and now wants their help!

Originally posted by Mickey
New game. Try to guess where ConservativeBaller's political allegiances lie... :lol:...

I was HOPING to be very obvious as to what my Political Preferences are.

Originally posted by CONSERVATIVEBALLER
I was HOPING to be very obvious as to what my Political Preferences are.

Kinda guessed that. :lol:



Oh and Splain, I never intentionally bash Lucy! I honestly have nothing against her. I just don't agree with the passionate devotees about how good she is, that's all. :)

You do not think she was the greatest comedienne of all time, the only woman to own and run a studio, the four time Emmy winner, film star, Queen of Television, Kennedy Center Honoree, recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor, world reknowned, most beloved icon, and resident of The TV Hall of Fame, almost as popular now as she was when she left her mark on the medium that continually honors her as a pioneer and a visionary, mother of two, wife of two, benefactor to friends and family for decades, charitable, compassionate, friend of Presidents, loved by Kings and Queens, featured on stamps, and saver of lives, as all the people who worship the ground she walks on admit their lives would have been exceedingly duller without her shining presence, from mentoring stars to being idolized by an adoring public, ok, i understand then!

You do not think she was the greatest comedienne of all time
No, though I do acknowledge her talent.

the only woman to own and run a studio
How sad that that was the case. I'm sure there were other women who would have been equally capable, but kudos to her for fighting against the grain and getting it done.

the four time Emmy winner
Congratulations Lucy, but I don't always agree with who wins those damn things, and it's not always a measure of the greatest talent.

film star
Hardly alone there!

Queen of Television
American television - speaking continentally, so that includes Canada! I assure you we have our own!

Kennedy Center Honoree, recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor
Very impressive, admittedly.

world reknowned
So are a lot of other people.

most beloved icon
Of you, and a lot of other people - but again there are a lot of other people who can lay claim to that title.

resident of The TV Hall of Fame
And congrats again, Lucy, but if there aren't others, sorry but there should be!

almost as popular now as she was when she left her mark on the medium that continually honors her as a pioneer and a visionary
Hugely popular still, yes, but again not alone there. There are people in TV, film, music, literature, art - all manner of fields who were visionaries, who were the first to do things, and are still as popular now as when they were blazing those trails

mother of two
Not alone there, thought it's an admirable thing.

wife of two
Again, not alone. My sister for one, and just about every woman in Hollywood. :)

benefactor to friends and family for decades, charitable, compassionate
A great, great thing, but she's not alone there either.

friend of Presidents
So were a lot of other people in Hollywood, most notably Bob Hope.

loved by Kings and Queens
Which ones? I doubt she'd oust Spike Milligan in the British queen's affection, but still, quite an achievement, granted - though not a unique one.

featured on stamps
In some countries you just have to make a film in the neighbourhood and you get a stamp!

and saver of lives, as all the people who worship the ground she walks on admit their lives would have been exceedingly duller without her shining presence, from mentoring stars to being idolized by an adoring public
Lots of people save lives, for real. I take your point about the effect she had on so many people, and enriching lives with her work - but again, she's not alone in that.

Splain, you love Lucy, there's no denying that - but you can't expect everybody to feel the same way, or see things the same way! She did some terrific things, and she's obviously given something very special to you, and a lot of other people - but we're all different!

:)

That was just off the top of my head and her accomplishment is the combination of all those things,many people can have one or two or even five of those, but to have them all is the point. The face seen by more people more often than any other woman who's ever lived is the greatest comedienne who's ever lived, who on earth could you possibly nominate that could come close to her in any way?

Another thing is that when someone has entertained you for half a century, gotten you through bad times, and given you the gift of laughter that's gotten you through illnesses and heartaches and so on for almost your entire life, you want to pay back or return the favor by keeping her legacy and memory alive, that's all i'm doing. I am not one of those fanatics who insists that if you criticize her in any way or state facts about her that i don't like, i will put a curse on you and your entire family, that's not what this is all about, this board is brutal to her and i'm here to even things out, if you were all fawning over her, i'd probably be giving the other side.

Mickey, who's the greastest comedienne of all time to you?

Probably Desi in drag! LOL!

Well you know, women have been underused for so long, and rarely given the good scripts - so it's always hard to choose a favourite female actor/comedian, etc. You just don't know what they're capable of, because they so rarely get the stuff to work with that the men do. Plus you know, even today women are so often the straight men (as it were!) in sitcoms. When I think back to my favourite comedies, the women are rarely the funny ones! That's one of the reasons why I think Mad About You works so well. The laughs are split equally. Anyway, of all the comedy films that I've watched, Katherine Hepburn probably makes me laugh the most. Films like Holiday, Bringing Up Baby and The Philadelphia Experiment, for example. They outshine any of the films that Lucy made, IMHO. Granted she wasn't a comedian in the Lucy mold, but I do tend to prefer my comedy a little more subtle that Lucy's stuff. Who I would call my favourite, though, I don't know. I'd have to really think about that.

Splain, I understand the reason why you keep defending Lucy, and yes she has a list of terrific accomplishments, but so do a lot of other people. Most of us have somebody like that, that we've looked up to all our lives and put on a pedestal, and could write a great long list of achievements about. Other people just don't always agree! One of my great heroes is Freddie Mercury. At least you don't have to defend Lucy against homophobes and racists! :)

I agree with you, Mickee. :)

Desi will ALWAYS (repeat a million times) be my favorite character, so ya'll shouldn't try to go changing people's minds! It's really getting annoying. We all have different opinions so there's no use trying to fight it.

My all-time favorite comediennes and celebrities are Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball (haha I gave Desi top billing!). I like none of the current modern celebrities or movie stars these days. My favorite show above any other is I Love Lucy. My life revolves around them, other than God and family. Biggest fan in the world. And I am only 15 years old. You don't know how hard it is to be a teenager and be obssessed with a show like I Love Lucy. I get laughed at and made fun of. Because obviously it isn't 'cool'. And I can't even talk with die-hard ILL fans without getting criticized.

My favorite show above any other is I Love Lucy. My life revolves around them, other than God and family.

:) Okay... there's healthy TV watching, and then there's unhealthy TV watching...! Repeat after me "it's just a TV show..."

Seriously though, I know where you're coming from. I used to get mocked and even beaten up at school for the music I liked in preference to what was fashionable at the time. If I'd have told anybody I was a fan of ILL back then, though, they wouldn't have known what I was talking about, so I'd have escaped unscathed with that one! A girl at my school once saw me listening to my walkman, and asked what I was listening to. I said it was a Monty Python audio cassette, and she asked if they were a new rock band. Sigh...

It's good to know you're not swerved by the fashions of the time though. There's enough sheep in the world without risking becoming one yourself - and if they don't know good TV when they see it, screw them. Though not literally, obviously. :)

Originally posted by crazyredhead
I agree with you, Mickee. :)

Desi will ALWAYS (repeat a million times) be my favorite character, so ya'll shouldn't try to go changing people's minds! It's really getting annoying. We all have different opinions so there's no use trying to fight it.

My all-time favorite comediennes and celebrities are Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball (haha I gave Desi top billing!). I like none of the current modern celebrities or movie stars these days. My favorite show above any other is I Love Lucy. My life revolves around them, other than God and family. Biggest fan in the world. And I am only 15 years old. You don't know how hard it is to be a teenager and be obssessed with a show like I Love Lucy. I get laughed at and made fun of. Because obviously it isn't 'cool'. And I can't even talk with die-hard ILL fans without getting criticized.

I agree...we have different opinions, which makes things much more interesting in life. We should celebrate it, not fight it.

You know Mickey, even though you don't notice it, you sort of bash Lucy just a liiitttlllee bit. Instead of just stating who YOU like, you tend to compare, and Lucy always loses, in your book. That's why I think people get offended, not because of your different opinin, but because of you comparisons. Just an observation.:D

I don't think that's bashing - okay, I don't mean it to be bashing! I can't think of anybody I would call my favourite female comedian, but I do know that it wouldn't be Lucy. She's funny in ILL, but I've never really found her that good in anything else. I don't mean that to be bashing - it's just a statement of fact. Sorry Lucy, sorry Lucy fans. Desi's far from being my favourite comedy actor, too, so it cuts both ways!

Love issues in your past Michael? Because every time i start liking you, you make another provocative and obviously provoking statement in hopes of stirring debate, while i'm all for that, to discuss these things is why we're here after all, but you even admitted in that last one that you DO do these things. So for fear of getting banned i won't answer that last post. I will say that when you don't discuss Lucy, yours are always stimulating and very interesting posts. So let's go elsewhere, i agree that Mad About You evenly divided the laughs between it's major characters. Helen Hunt is an actress, not a comedienne, and both actors brought us a series that will forever be entertaining and REAL to me, but i never watched those DVD's, that show will not last the way I Love Lucy did. On Lucy, we had two REAL married people exaggerating married life and all it's aspects, Lucy's incredible talent as an actress and comedienne is just as brilliant as Helen's, but like Jess Oppenheimer said, Lucy could play a Queen or the lowest of the low and still make it believable, she was versitile and had these little bits in her comedy that you really have to watch closely to see them, actually i like the similarities in their styles, Helen and Lucy both became their characters and knew them better than anybody could imagine.

Originally posted by Mickey
I don't think that's bashing - okay, I don't mean it to be bashing! I can't think of anybody I would call my favourite female comedian, but I do know that it wouldn't be Lucy. She's funny in ILL, but I've never really found her that good in anything else. I don't mean that to be bashing - it's just a statement of fact. Sorry Lucy, sorry Lucy fans. Desi's far from being my favourite comedy actor, too, so it cuts both ways! I have a question.. so.. what have you seen Lucy in so far besides I love Lucy? I suggest you see The Long Long Trailer, Yours Mine and Ours, Forever Darling, any of her movies Co-starring Bob Hope, and then get back to me ;).

Well, there you go, why could'nt I think of a nice way to answer him like that? Oh yeah, it was the veins bulging in my forehead, they altered the thinking process! Hey, my blood pressure hit 250 and i'm still alive!

I have a question.. so.. what have you seen Lucy in so far besides I love Lucy? I suggest you see The Long Long Trailer, Yours Mine and Ours, Forever Darling, any of her movies Co-starring Bob Hope, and then get back to me

I think they BOTH did a great, great job in their movies together. Oh, and I just saw Yours, Mine, and Ours for the first time Sunday, and it was reaalllyy funny! :rofl:

:)

Originally postd by *SHORTCAKE*
I have a question.. so.. what have you seen Lucy in so far besides I love Lucy?

Okay... I've seen (not counting the ones where she just had walk ons!):

Too Many Girls
Fancy Pants
The Facts Of Life
The Big Street
Stage Door
Mame
Panama Lady
Five Came Back
Look Who's Laughing
Lover Come Back
Valley Of The Sun
Sorrowful Jones

Had to consult with the IMDb for that, so I might have missed one or two out. But anyway. Sorry, nothing to write home about. What's so great? ILL makes me laugh a lot, and Lucy is wonderful in it. Really wonderful. Why can't you guys just accept that I don't much like her other work? I'm sorry if it offends you. I'm sure there's actors I really like that you don't. Am I going to get mad about it? Hardly.

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Love issues in your past Michael? Because every time i start liking you, you make another provocative and obviously provoking statement in hopes of stirring debate

No Splain, I am not being intentionally provocative, or trying to provoke debate. Neither am I trying to make people like or stop liking me. I just don't much like Lucy's other work. It makes me sad that you can't understand that.

:(

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Probably Desi in drag! LOL!


Sorry but that is messed up :rolleyes:

I realize people like the show I Love Lucy because Hands Down yes It was a very good show, I am talking about people who aren't fans, just viewers, but I don't see why they would waste their time boggling with us fans, the ones who Love LUCY, and are more enthusiastic about Lucy and the show than teh average person, because see for the most part we as fans come on these sites to discuss ideas about the show and the star. So Ideally you should understand as a "viewer" of the show, coming on to a board with enthusiastic admirers, you would surely come across people who are very determined that we will stand behiond our Lucy when people talk down about her or seemingly criticize. That would be like me going onto a Ringo Starr board or Gene Krupa board and talking about what I really don't like about drumming.

Okay, I could make a joke there about Ringo and drumming, but I won't bother.

Lucille, I keep saying that I understand Lucy has a lot of fans. And I understand that a lot of them hang out here. What I object to is that nobody seems to be prepared to respect my opinion, yet expect me to respect theirs (which I do). I don't particularly like Lucy's other work. I find Desi, on the whole, funnier than Lucy, and I do like some of his outside ILL work. Why do I have to keep defending this opinion, and being flamed by people who don't share it?

You keep talking about loving Lucy, and that's fine. But this is not just a Lucy board. It is an I Love Lucy board. That's a show. The board is also about the three other stars, the writers, the episodes, the plot lines, the songs, and everything else that made up the show. You do not have to just be a Lucy fan to come here, and I refuse to pretend that I love her as much as you lot do just to be welcome here.

How the hell did all this rubbish get started, anyway? I've been a member here since this time last year, and have said all along that I prefer Desi. Why's everybody suddenly on my case this last month?

This whole thing is just getting ridiculous.

I want NO MORE posts about why do you like her and not him or vice versa. We'll never agree, so just drop it before someone gets really upset.

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Probably Desi in drag! LOL!

:rotflmao: :rofl: :lol:

Originally posted by SPLAIN
She was the greatest comedienne of all time, the only woman to own and run a studio, the four time Emmy winner, film star, Queen of Television, Kennedy Center Honoree, recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor, world reknowned, most beloved icon, and resident of The TV Hall of Fame, almost as popular now as she was when she left her mark on the medium that continually honors her as a pioneer and a visionary, mother of two, wife of two, benefactor to friends and family for decades, charitable, compassionate, friend of Presidents, loved by Kings and Queens, featured on stamps, and saver of lives, as all the people who worship the ground she walks on admit their lives would have been exceedingly duller without her shining presence, from mentoring stars to being idolized by an adoring public!


Claude, you are toooooooooooooooooo funny! I agree. :lol:

Wow Mickey, you have alot of people getting kind of steamed with you. I like you though Mickey, but do you enjoy challenging people? The reason i ask is because you are basically the only person in this whole board who dosen't really like Lucy. Which brings me to my next question: Why do you post? Not in a rude way, I'm just curious. Please tell...

Originally posted by Mkaleek
The reason i ask is because you are basically the only person in this whole board who dosen't really like Lucy. Which brings me to my next question: Why do you post?

Because...and I will say this for like the 600th time...THIS IS NOT A LUCILLE BALL MESSAGE BOARD. It's I Love Lucy, so If you're a fan of any aspect of the show, post away.

Wow Mickey, you have alot of people getting kind of steamed with you. I like you though Mickey, but do you enjoy challenging people?

Thankyou Mkaleek, and no, I do not especially like getting people steamed. If they were prepared to accept that I just happen to have a different opinion to them, they wouldn't get steamed.


If certain people don't want me here, I'm happy to leave. Believe me, this is rapidly ceasing to be a fun place to hang out.

Mickey I like you.. i just dont agree with some of the things you say :)

Thanks Dawsongirl, smart move in this case! Why was it MESSED UP Jen? He never did name another comedienne, so i thought my suggestion was a SURE THING! Remember the argument i had with Amy, liking her OLD movies more than her shows, and i told her yeah, that's like saying you prefer Fred Astaire's singing to his dancing. Saying that Desi was funnier than Lucy, well, i'd better not even attempt to answer that one. As for the fact that this is an I Love Lucy board, point well taken, BUT, Lucy was the show, and it lasted 50 years because of her artistry and timing and talent, everybody around her HELPED, but it's lasted and we're all here talking about it because of HER! Ok that's it for me on that subject and i will try and not come close to it again. At least politically, he's astute! LOL!

No Mickey, please don't leave, having different opinions is perfect for interesting debate. And i disagree with only one thing Dawsongirl, yes it's an I Love Lucy board, but she WAS that show, hence more discussion about HER and the reason why we get annoyed. Mickey, ask Dawsongirl why i'm here, you are not alone in having dissenting opinions on Lucy, but we have to allow the OTHER side a voice in this debate. Do you all remember when this place was DEAD? Well, it's lively now, and that's the way it should be, let's keep discussing and not get upset. Last night as i was listening to someone comment on Ball of Fire and praise Lucy as a visionary and great talent and the most popular woman in acting and so on, i thought of Mickey right away, and laughed uproariously. Let's remember that we're not curing cancer here, we're talking with like minded friends.

That's exactly why I said I like Mickey. Mickey expresses an opinion different from everyone elses, and it makes it more interesting. Well said.

Mickey, where are you, we all MISS you, come on now, we'll listen, maybe Desi was funnier than, oh never mind, can't type the rest of that, my hands won't let me, but come back anyway! Puhllllllleeeezzzzzzzzzzzeeeee!

Personally, I think Desi had ALOT of funny classic moments in the I Love Lucy series. I think it was 50-50 between them, thats just my opinion. Lucy wouldn't have been no where near as good without his performances and his accent. He made it more universal. It just wouldn't have been as big. Thats just a fact.

Exactly! :D

Well, not exactly, but i want Mickey back so I PASS! We're not debating his contribution to the show, just Mickey's line that he was funnier than Lucy. That's the ONLY thing i have a problem with.:)

okay, I don't think Desi was necessarily 'funnier' than Lucy, but I don't think Lucy was funnier than Desi. But I don't care who's the funniest, I still like Desi more! lol Why do we have to argue about these things?

I don't think it's arguments, I'm just stating actual facts. It would have been another Dick Van Dyke show, big, but not as big. You know, people get tired of seeing the same things over and over again from one person, and Desi Arnaz filled in that gap like no one else could have or ever could. He added so much variety it's ridiculous to even think about discrediting him in any way. I wouldn't pick who i like the most because that's also absurd. Come on, facts are facts. The Lucy Show-No Desi. It was successful, but no where near I Love Lucy. Bob Hope and Lucille Ball. Successful, but you'd better believe not as successful as Desi and Lucille. Of course Lucy was funnier than Desi, who's as funny as Lucy anyway??? We have to look at the facts here guys, it's not a matter of opinion.

Exactly!

What an awesome post! I especially give awards out to crazyredhead and babalucy! Great job guys! :lol:

anyone wanna look at the date of this post?

sorry, I just had to add a 10th page to this post to make it perfect. ;)

WHERE IS ALL THE PEOPLE WHO USED TO POST HERE? GEEZ

I can now look at this post and find it funny. No make that HILARIOUS!

Hey, I found it and it was like a replay of my life here! LOL

LOL! Well hi there Karen! You didn't have to look after all! :lol:

And I thought Cathy closed this thread! :D

Originally posted by crazyredhead
And I thought Cathy closed this thread! :D

As long as we behave instead of acting like cave people I hope it stays open

Here? That's impossible! Didn['t you know this is where civilization first started? :lol:

There are some other threads I wish I could bring back, but unfortunately they're closed. :D

LOL:lol: I'm not trying to make everyone change their minds like mine; BUT I also want to be respected for my opinion since this is an I LOVE LUCY board:D

You're right, dahlin. :D Don't even try to change their minds, it' impossible! Their brains can't hold that much capacity! Desi is a big..err..thing. :lol:

Man, sometimes I wish that even Sherry (onlyonelucy) and Jen (LUCILLE BALL) would come back. :lol: I will gladly fight with them.

I miss Mickey! We had the same views on Desi and Lucy:(

Ooh yeahh! Whatever happened to Mickey Richardson? LOL He's been gone for awhile!

Originally posted by crazyredhead
Ooh yeahh! Whatever happened to Mickey Richardson? LOL He's been gone for awhile!

He's doing the chick-chicka boom somewhere else!:lol:

LOL! Obviously! :lol:

Oh man, look what I did! Now I have to go to 15! :lol:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
Oh man, look what I did! Now I have to go to 15! :lol:

A 15 min time out? Some people wish I stayed on time-out forever!:p :lol:

LOL! :D :lol:

CALLING CATHY AKA DAWSONGIRL, ARE YOU ALIVE? :D

Prolly we need to start a seance for her to reappear:lol:

I can't upload your groovy avatar here:(

DURN IT! The file size must be too big. Have you tried all of them?

Originally posted by crazyredhead
DURN IT! The file size must be too big. Have you tried all of them?

Yeppers; it works fine everywhere else though:confused:

Originally posted by crazyredhead


WHERE IS ALL THE PEOPLE WHO USED TO POST HERE? GEEZ

I'd like to know too. I must have scared away all the non-Desi lovers. :lol:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
CALLING CATHY AKA DAWSONGIRL, ARE YOU ALIVE? :D

*pinches self* I think so. :D

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
Prolly we need to start a seance for her to reappear:lol:

Oh...so that was you that woke me up!

;)

Originally posted by dawsongirl
I'd like to know too. I must have scared away all the non-Desi lovers. :lol:

Even though everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I think non-Desi lovers have bashed him enough and it's not fair:)

Originally posted by dawsongirl
*pinches self* I think so. :D

WOOOT CATHY!

:D

Me and Karen probably scared them all away (or at least me!) , but I really don't give a rip. LOL J/k yes, I DO, come back PEOPLE! :lol: :p

Can I interject here? What difference does it make if someone has a personal disliking to someone or something, is there any real justification in dwelling on it and constantly resurrecting the disagreement, because it sounds to me that it looks like you are looking for a fight. So what, someone has a disliking to someone that you do, are you going to let them ruin it for you? I once had a friend who was just as crazy into a Tv Show as I was, then one day the friendship kind of took a dump, but that isn't going to stop me from watching it or enjoying the Tv Show.
It is one thing to stand up for what you beleive in, but this can be done without anyone hurting eachother or going to war with one another, God there is enough of that in the world already
If an argument has long been dead, why give rebirth to it?
I am a Democrat and a friend of mine is a die hard pro-Bush supporter and thinks he is the best president in the world. I Strongly disagree,but I m not gonna fuss and make a big deal out of it. Instead I will repect their point of view and they will respect mine and it remains a topic of taboo between us.
So I guess what I am trying to say here is you love Desi, that is good, I personally like Desi too. Some people don't. Some people like Gary better, and some don't like either, but that is their opinion, let them have it, they are entitled to it, if they want to rant and rave and make a big deal of it, then they are the small minded ones, but if you go out and say Lucille Ball is a bitch and the reason for the divorce and Desi is better than Lucy, you are just waving a red flag encouraging an argument. I am not saying you shouldn't post your feelings about something I just wouldn't use provoking words in it. Agree to disagree, and know when not to say certain things.

I understand your point. Having an opinion about someone is one thing, but trying to take away from ones' accomplishments is a whole different story. Now THAT's wrong.

Sweethearts, this discussion is OLD, I grabbed it from page 18 for crying out loud..get a grip I just brought it back for fun since this thread was my first post. LOL
I'm a crackhead, okay? (No not really, say no to drugs) But go ahead, sure! Bring this discussion back! All heaven knows I'm loaded with ammunition! :lol:

:rolleyes:

By the way, Nostalgia, beautiful speech..I was so..touched..*sniff*
:lol:

(if you would like a nicer version of ME go to The Lounge)

Originally posted by crazyredhead
By the way, Nostalgia, beautiful speech..I was so..touched..*sniff*
:lol:

(if you would like a nicer version of ME go to The Lounge)

:lol: :lol: :p :lol:

Ouuu hii Karen! :D :lol:

Well, as for me, I'm used to people getting mad at me and leaving here. They're probably at the Lounge or wherever calling me a bitch because I tried to stop all the Lucy is better/no, Desi is fights. Just because someone likes Desi better than Lucy is no reason to call them out on it personally. So I said something and most of the pro-Lucy people left.

But then once upon a time I got called a bitch and other things for saying I was tired of ILL. Well excuse me...I didn't say I thought it sucked. I said I was tired. I've seen every ep like 199 times.

Lounge?? Am I missing something here? Can I be invited or something? I mean, I've been here for awhile now, and i've never heard of the "Lounge". I want to be a part of the fun!!!:confused:

Originally posted by dawsongirl
Well, as for me, I'm used to people getting mad at me and leaving here. They're probably at the Lounge or wherever calling me a bitch because I tried to stop all the Lucy is better/no, Desi is fights. Just because someone likes Desi better than Lucy is no reason to call them out on it personally. So I said something and most of the pro-Lucy people left.

But then once upon a time I got called a bitch and other things for saying I was tired of ILL. Well excuse me...I didn't say I thought it sucked. I said I was tired. I've seen every ep like 199 times.

This gives a whole new meaning to the word Bitch! So be proud of it!

http://www.send4fun.com/funpages/view.cfm/2115
;)

I know what you mean, just because we are tired of one show doesn't mean that it's a sin; just that we have to move on

Originally posted by dawsongirl
Well, as for me, I'm used to people getting mad at me and leaving here. They're probably at the Lounge or wherever calling me a bitch because I tried to stop all the Lucy is better/no, Desi is fights.

Nawwwwww DG, I don't think those dudes are at the Lounge. And if anyone said anything nasty about you there I'd take 'em apart and put 'em back together again. :lol: Mik, the Lounge is another Lucy forum. It was started a few years ago by Eva and is now run by Brock, it's at http://lucylounge.suddenlaunch2.com . Come and check it out, we'd love to see ya there!!! :wave:

Yes, we definitely need you there, Cathy! :D

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
This gives a whole new meaning to the word Bitch! So be proud of it!

http://www.send4fun.com/funpages/view.cfm/2115
;)

I know what you mean, just because we are tired of one show doesn't mean that it's a sin; just that we have to move on

That rocked. :rock:

Originally posted by LucieFam
Nawwwwww DG, I don't think those dudes aren't at the Lounge. And if anyone said anything nasty about you there I'd take 'em apart and put 'em back together again. :lol: Mik, the Lounge is another Lucy forum. It was started a few years ago by Eva and is now run by Brock, it's at http://lucylounge.suddenlaunch2.com . Come and check it out, we'd love to see ya there!!! :wave:

:lol: Thanks. :)

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
This gives a whole new meaning to the word Bitch! So be proud of it!

http://www.send4fun.com/funpages/view.cfm/2115
;)

I know what you mean, just because we are tired of one show doesn't mean that it's a sin; just that we have to move on

OMG Karen! LOL!! Did you do that yourself?? :lol: I know at least ten people you should send that to!

Originally posted by crazyredhead
OMG Karen! LOL!! Did you do that yourself?? :lol: I know at least ten people you should send that to!

I found it on another board! And yes, I'm a Preferred Member of that organization! LOL:lol:

Originally posted by dawsongirl
But then once upon a time I got called a bitch and other things for saying I was tired of ILL. Well excuse me...I didn't say I thought it sucked. I said I was tired. I've seen every ep like 199 times.

But are you honestly a fan of the show and Lucille Ball? Being a fan myself, I sometimes wonder . . .

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
I found it on another board! And yes, I'm a Preferred Member of that organization! LOL:lol:

LOL! Thought so!

Happy mother's day, Karen! You need to get on aim more, dahlin! :)

Originally posted by crazyredhead
LOL! Thought so!

Happy mother's day, Karen! You need to get on aim more, dahlin! :)

Thank YOU! I need to get more on AIM?? but I buy Colgate! (jk):lol:

Originally posted by LucyFan
But are you honestly a fan of the show and Lucille Ball? Being a fan myself, I sometimes wonder . . .

Well now I'm sorry I brought this up.

Who even cares? Is the world going to stop revolving if I decide I'm not as into ILL as I once was?? Does that automatically mean I have to hand in my Lucille Ball fanship card just because I've seen ever single ILL episode 200 times and feel like watching something else?

I'm a fan of Adam-12 but haven't seen an episode in like a year or something. Does that mean I'm not a fan anymore because I don't watch it everyday?

Seriously...

We are SINNERS!!!! and end up in Lucy hell if we don't follow close enough every single breath that she exuded..:eek: :lol: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by dawsongirl
Well now I'm sorry I brought this up.

Who even cares? Is the world going to stop revolving if I decide I'm not as into ILL as I once was?? Does that automatically mean I have to hand in my Lucille Ball fanship card just because I've seen ever single ILL episode 200 times and feel like watching something else?

I'm a fan of Adam-12 but haven't seen an episode in like a year or something. Does that mean I'm not a fan anymore because I don't watch it everyday?

Seriously...

Don't worry about it dawsongirl. some people can be way over-dramatic when it comes to Lucy. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
Thank YOU! I need to get more on AIM?? but I buy Colgate! (jk):lol:

:p :lol:

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
We are SINNERS!!!! and end up in Lucy hell if we don't follow close enough every single breath that she exuded..:eek: :lol: :rolleyes:

Well then, I better get my outfit ready. :devil: I need red pumps.

Originally posted by crazyredhead
Don't worry about it dawsongirl. some people can be way over-dramatic when it comes to Lucy. :rolleyes:

So I've noticed.

Originally posted by dawsongirl
Well then, I better get my outfit ready. :devil: I need red pumps.

I need to dye my hair red...or will a wig do??:p :lol:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
:p :lol:

BTW; what brand do u use?:p :lol:

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
I need to dye my hair red...or will a wig do??:p :lol:

I think that depends on how much of a sinner you are. :lol:

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
BTW; what brand do u use?:p :lol:

I use the cheap store-brand, okay? LOL

Originally posted by crazyredhead
I use the cheap store-brand, okay? LOL

Same here! lol

Cathy, would pink be for the less sinners and fire red for the real 'mean' ones??:lol:

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
Same here! lol

Cathy, would pink be for the less sinners and fire red for the real 'mean' ones??:lol:

Yep. :nod: My hair must be some pink-red combo. :lol:

Well I think this whole thing has gotten way out of proportion over such a small matter.
Lucy Fan Hell? C'Mon get REAL! If you sin you go to the same place everyone else does.
I don't think there are any rules in being a Lucy Fan. Everyone has their own way in which they Love Lucy. Some follow heavy with conventions, some just watch the show, some intently watch the show and collect everything made in her image. There are no rules, and nobody can sit there and determine what kind of fan someone ele is just because they don't do what the other does. If someone has to sit there all day and detrmine how strong a fan everyone else is, they seriously need to get a life.

Would anybody like to cross-examine? :D

Originally posted by crazyredhead
Would anybody like to cross-examine? :D

Hmmmm...Not really. It all sounds like a broken record:rolleyes: :D :lol: :p

LOL! :lol: :p

Karen! Whats up with you? Haven't talked to ya in umm forever! (a few days lol!!)

Originally posted by crazyredhead
LOL! :lol: :p

Karen! Whats up with you? Haven't talked to ya in umm forever! (a few days lol!!)

:o Still here....kinda. Been busy.... This are the last two weeks of my daughter's school; she's losing her baby teeth and computer had major virus/ infections that I had to get rid of.. How are ya? Anything new?:wave:

Only 3 half days left for meeee! And then it's FREEDOM!!! WOOOT (Sorry, you can see how much I LOVE school..LOL) But the bad part is..final exams! *shudder* Anywho, losing baby teeth..ouch..I didn't lose all of mine until just last year! LOL Have fun with that! Remember to put her teeth under her pillow for the tooth fairy! :D

Speaking of viruses..*cough* *hack* *sniff* :wazzup

:yeahthat

But glad to hear everything is okie dokie (even though computer viruses suck!) But for a sec I thought you had finally been abducted by aliens!

:ufo: :whistle:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
Only 3 half days left for meeee! And then it's FREEDOM!!! WOOOT (Sorry, you can see how much I LOVE school..LOL) But the bad part is..final exams! *shudder* Anywho, losing baby teeth..ouch..I didn't lose all of mine until just last year! LOL Have fun with that! Remember to put her teeth under her pillow for the tooth fairy! :D

Speaking of viruses..*cough* *hack* *sniff* :wazzup

:yeahthat

But glad to hear everything is okie dokie (even though computer viruses suck!) But for a sec I thought you had finally been abducted by aliens!

:ufo: :whistle:

At least mine don't go through finals yet (that I know of). Next week she's going to have a field trip to her 'new' school and she's excited.
I started losing my baby teeth when I was 7yrs old so she's a year ahead; and yes tooth fairy but she's cheap only asks for a $1 a tooth:D
I couldn't get in MSN for nothing and had to run a Sasser check up and Ad aware, Spybot and the mother of all anti viruses to get rid of it:rolleyes:

Yes, I know that many people wish I was abducted by aliens; especially around here! :D :lol: but they can't get rid of me that easy:p

I asked for more money but still only got a dollar! LOL!

Yes, I know that many people wish I was abducted by aliens; especially around here! but they can't get rid of me that easy

You better not go anywhere or I'll send aliens to abduct them! I have ways you know..:lol:

ET, PHONE HOME!

Gawd, I was rereading my first (and favorite!) post of mine, and it sounded so n00bish, haha.
I wonder if I remember my password for my Babalucy account, hmm. ;)

UMG, GUESS WHAT, TEH N00B IS BAAACK.

:p

Didja miss me?

Omg, I MISSED you Bekkie!

Hey Bekah! Are ya around here again? Wassup doll?:p

I missed yoo tooo, Bekah!! :wave:

:crazy:

Hey Bekah! Are ya around here again? Wassup doll?:p

Hey yep I am! :wave:
Notta lotta, darlin, just trying to wake up this place. :D

I'm all mixed up, lol.

Bekah; how many personalities are you using today? LOL

Too many! LOL.
Sorry, I'm bored to tears. :D

Too many! LOL.
Sorry, I'm bored to tears. :D


Don't cry!
No Lucy, no boo-hoo hoo :lol:
Someone is making my night miserable! :rolleyes: :mad:

Is this an I Love Lucy Message Board renuion?? I used to be here too! Remember me? Remember me?! haha...

Is this an I Love Lucy Message Board renuion?? I used to be here too! Remember me? Remember me?! haha...

Mkaleek, WOAH. It's been a long, long time, LOL. :wave:

Don't cry!
No Lucy, no boo-hoo hoo :lol:
Someone is making my night miserable! :rolleyes: :mad:

Do I know this person? ;)

Do I know this person? ;)


Probably :p


Hey Mka! Long time no *see* :eek:

Glad to be back. Wish the people from back then were still there tho, but it's cool anyhow. Did anyone get the ILL season 5 yet?

Did anyone get the ILL season 5 yet?

Walmart doesn't have it so I'll have to buy it online :rolleyes: :D

Yeah, I'll prolly have to buy it online too. Our Walmart never has any..but thank heavens we're getting a SuperWalmart here. (biggest one in history they said too, don't know why they're putting it here in our tiny town!).

Yeah, I'll prolly have to buy it online too. Our Walmart never has any..but thank heavens we're getting a SuperWalmart here. (biggest one in history they said too, don't know why they're putting it here in our tiny town!).


That's good about the Super Walmart! This town had a teensy one when I first moved in here. Bigger store creates more jobs and more $$. :D

That's good about the Super Walmart! This town had a teensy one when I first moved in here. Bigger store creates more jobs and more $$. :D

Oh yes! :D I'm hoping to apply there.

Been reading through this thread again. Man, did things get hot around here! :D All those old names that disappeared though. :( Some I miss... some I don't... ;)

Lively old time, wasn't it!