the N-Word, and the H-Word on shows like the Jeffersons, All in the Family, Good Times, and Sanford and Son. I wish they would leave it in since CBS and NBC had no problem airing these words at 8pm in the 70's. While N@N, TV LAND, and TBS refused to air scenes with those words at 1am, 2am and 5am in the morning. Makes no sense to me. Anyone else Agree?

I agree. I mean that's part of the show. They shouldn't pick the shows up if they want to water them down. Disney does that with "Boy Meets World" reruns. They cut out scenes (or even whole episodes) for content. It's like ABC showed it in it's entirety back on TGIF.

Originally posted by TVAdam
I agree. I mean that's part of the show. They shouldn't pick the shows up if they want to water them down. Disney does that with "Boy Meets World" reruns. They cut out scenes (or even whole episodes) for content. It's like ABC showed it in it's entirety back on TGIF.


And the fact those channels are cable channels and those scenes was once aired on regular TV, it's very mind boggling why they would leave those scenes out. All four of those shows aired after midnight.

Maybe they do it because they don't want viewers today who are black or white to get offended.

Originally posted by BJL
Maybe they do it because they don't want viewers today who are black or white to get offended.


But these shows are not your average family sitcom so if someone did hear those words they should know it's apart of the show and not take it as offensive.

I've never seen a lot of those shows unedited, so it does bother me that they cut out all the "sensitive" words. I've probably missed some funny scenes because of that.

Originally posted by *~PinkLady59~*
I've never seen a lot of those shows unedited, so it does bother me that they cut out all the "sensitive" words. I've probably missed some funny scenes because of that.


Yeah we had a long discussion on the Sanford and Son board about cutting out those words. I will bump it back up for you on that board.

Solomon,
I watched the very first episodes of The Jeffersons when it
premiered on n@n in I think Jan. 1999, and I distinctively
remember hearing George say the n-word and h-word quite
frequently. I'm not too sure what N@N did later on, but those
words were not cut out in the beginning of its airing on the
station. And its time slot then was like 9:30!

Originally posted by rserafin
Solomon,
I watched the very first episodes of The Jeffersons when it
premiered on n@n in I think Jan. 1999, and I distinctively
remember hearing George say the n-word and h-word quite
frequently. I'm not too sure what N@N did later on, but those
words were not cut out in the beginning of its airing on the
station. And its time slot then was like 9:30!


Yeah i think it was the very first Jeffersons episode when I hear that word and it was Jan of 1999. Normally N@N would cut that word out. N@N does cut that word out on All in the Family Episodes.

Hey Guys,

I wanted to shed some light on this topic. Personally, I think that political correctness sucks! However, the changing times, and sensitivity to ethnic issues have forced edits in may classic sitcomes case in point:

"Reference to the N-Word in shows like Sanford & Son and All in the Family have been cut."

"The deleation of minutes off of shows to allow for time." (Most syndicate/cable affiliate shows come in at 22-24 minutes.) In a sitcom's original airing, 25-26 minutes was the norm."

Sometimes classic lines/scenes are just cut without explanation and "nothing" scenes are left intact. (A sunset scene stays, while a classic joke gets cut.)

Who do you think edits more? Standard Cable or Local Syndicate? I think that it may be about equal depending of where you live, the show being presented, and the version acquired by the network.

Note however, that "Nick at Night" is a must-carry network. This means that cable/dish networks must carry this channel on all systems in accordance with FCC regulation. Because this network is geared toward "Family Friendly Entertainment" and may be viewed by very small children in a household, racial content, violence, language, is either required to be delated in shows, or at best very very toned down if shown at all.

TV Land has a bit more leeway but not much. I would propose restoring the classic sitcoms to their original lengths with a parental advisory about the shows content for programs with sensitive issues. (i.e All in the Family, Sanford and Son) at the start of each program. Those that would be offended by such content have two options available to them. One, is a neat little button on your remote that changes channels! The other button is marked "Off" which turns your TV off! Translation, if you don't like the content...don't watch it!

FCC regulations request that cable operators do not show anything above a "PG-13" theatrical rating or "TV-14" for standard service cable. This is why our cable company moved the "Encore" channel to a premium digital package, because "Encore" shows R-Rated movies uncut" Anything above a PG-13 or TV-14 rating must get special approval from the FCC to be shown. (Like when Steven Spielberg bypassed Schindler's List from cable directly to NBC) The movie was shown almost uncut with a parental advisory because of the importance of the topic. We did have an independent station that ran uncut R-rated films on Friday nights at 1:30 am about 15-years ago, with parental advisories running during each commercial break in the movie. Parents objected and the station quicky cleaned up the films or dropped them altogether. I do think that there are certian classic films/sitcomes that can only be shown in their original uncut formats. Like I said before, if you don't like them, don't watch them!

Jack

Originally posted by Jack1000
Hey Guys,

I wanted to shed some light on this topic. Personally, I think that political correctness sucks! However, the changing times, and sensitivity to ethnic issues have forced edits in may classic sitcomes case in point:

"Reference to the N-Word in shows like Sanford & Son and All in the Family have been cut."

"The deleation of minutes off of shows to allow for time." (Most syndicate/cable affiliate shows come in at 22-24 minutes.) In a sitcom's original airing, 25-26 minutes was the norm."

Sometimes classic lines/scenes are just cut without explanation and "nothing" scenes are left intact. (A sunset scene stays, while a classic joke gets cut.)

Who do you think edits more? Standard Cable or Local Syndicate? I think that it may be about equal depending of where you live, the show being presented, and the version acquired by the network.

Note however, that "Nick at Night" is a must-carry network. This means that cable/dish networks must carry this channel on all systems in accordance with FCC regulation. Because this network is geared toward "Family Friendly Entertainment" and may be viewed by very small children in a household, racial content, violence, language, is either required to be delated in shows, or at best very very toned down if shown at all.

TV Land has a bit more leeway but not much. I would propose restoring the classic sitcoms to their original lengths with a parental advisory about the shows content for programs with sensitive issues. (i.e All in the Family, Sanford and Son) at the start of each program. Those that would be offended by such content have two options available to them. One, is a neat little button on your remote that changes channels! The other button is marked "Off" which turns your TV off! Translation, if you don't like the content...don't watch it!

FCC regulations request that cable operators do not show anything above a "PG-13" theatrical rating or "TV-14" for standard service cable. This is why our cable company moved the "Encore" channel to a premium digital package, because "Encore" shows R-Rated movies uncut" Anything above a PG-13 or TV-14 rating must get special approval from the FCC to be shown. (Like when Steven Spielberg bypassed Schindler's List from cable directly to NBC) The movie was shown almost uncut with a parental advisory because of the importance of the topic. We did have an independent station that ran uncut R-rated films on Friday nights at 1:30 am about 15-years ago, with parental advisories running during each commercial break in the movie. Parents objected and the station quicky cleaned up the films or dropped them altogether. I do think that there are certian classic films/sitcomes that can only be shown in their original uncut formats. Like I said before, if you don't like them, don't watch them!

Jack


So why does Local station leave the N-word in Sanford and Son and All in the Family? I'm still trying to figure that out. Is it because it;s showing the episode to a smaller audience?

Maybe a Board Admin would have a better answer for this question:

Regarding why local stations leave "objectionable" content in syndicate that TV Land/Nick take out.

My guess is because they reach a smaller audience as you suggested and because they are not "nationally marketing thier program" Syndicate also edits differently than national stations. because they may require a program to be say + or - an extra minute. Much of it depends on where you live, with regard to what a local station edits for syndicated shows.

The syndicates can also "show more" content with regard to movies because they are trying to compete with premium channel cable. The station that I spoke of, Channel 18 (WB in our area) would find a work-around for showing objectionable content. For example, if a movie was shown on this station that had frontal female nudity, instead of "editing out" the scene completely they would "mask" the image. (This involves putting little graphic pixels over the nude content) It was obvious what you where watching, and better than taking out the scene altogether.

Language has also become more acceptable on syndicate...B*tch, *ss, have been heard on some movies and sitcomes. The dubbing that is used when they edit this language is such a joke!!! The F-word has yet been used for regular broadcasts. (Except for Schindler's List) and one time by accident:

The station channel 18, accquired the Burt Reynolds movie "The End" 15-years ago or so and it was assumed that this was the censored version that NBC had acquired a few years ago. I watched it on a Saturday afternoon and it was the R-rated version completely uncut! (The final dialoge is several F-words and they were left intact on our little syndicated station) This was the same station that experimented with the R-rated Friday Night Movies.

But the point is, nobody checked at the time because it was just a local syndicate. If the big networks did something like that, job security would be at risk because of the PC enviornments of today and for better or worse, some people just don't like the R-rated content.

Jack

Originally posted by Jack1000
Maybe a Board Admin would have a better answer for this question:

Regarding why local stations leave "objectionable" content in syndicate that TV Land/Nick take out.

My guess is because they reach a smaller audience as you suggested and because they are not "nationally marketing thier program" Syndicate also edits differently than national stations. because they may require a program to be say + or - an extra minute. Much of it depends on where you live, with regard to what a local station edits for syndicated shows.

The syndicates can also "show more" content with regard to movies because they are trying to compete with premium channel cable. The station that I spoke of, Channel 18 (WB in our area) would find a work-around for showing objectionable content. For example, if a movie was shown on this station that had frontal female nudity, instead of "editing out" the scene completely they would "mask" the image. (This involves putting little graphic pixels over the nude content) It was obvious what you where watching, and better than taking out the scene altogether.

Language has also become more acceptable on syndicate...B*tch, *ss, have been heard on some movies and sitcomes. The dubbing that is used when they edit this language is such a joke!!! The F-word has yet been used for regular broadcasts. (Except for Schindler's List) and one time by accident:

The station channel 18, accquired the Burt Reynolds movie "The End" 15-years ago or so and it was assumed that this was the censored version that NBC had acquired a few years ago. I watched it on a Saturday afternoon and it was the R-rated version completely uncut! (The final dialoge is several F-words and they were left intact on our little syndicated station) This was the same station that experimented with the R-rated Friday Night Movies.

But the point is, nobody checked at the time because it was just a local syndicate. If the big networks did something like that, job security would be at risk because of the PC enviornments of today and for better or worse, some people just don't like the R-rated content.

Jack



I just compared a UPN version of Good Times to a TBS version and TBS edits in a way that affects the storyline. I have noticed that my local UPN station shows the very beginning of every episode and TBS cuts out 2 to 3 min of the beginning of a episode. Horrible editing by TBS.

I kind of don't see what the big deal is. Yet in a way, I kind of do. I don't mind cussing. Really I don't. The N word I do mind in real life. I really hate that n word. But we're talking a tv show. I don't see the harm in Fred Sanford or George Jefferson saying that word. It's a tv show, it isn't like George Jefferson is gonna walk up to a real person on the street in real life and call him the n word.

Okay, back to cussing. If you have little kids, I could see why parents wouldn't want them watching some shows. Geez, especially if you have one of these kids that mimics everything they hear. That'd be a nightmare if they heard someone call someone a bitch on tv and went around saying that word.
jmo

I don't like the fact that they cut out those scenes with "questionable" words.It wasn't that big of a deal.Besides,they took out a lot of funny scenes,when they did that. :mad:

This is why I hope a lot of series will be available on DVD soon.

Originally posted by alf8mycat
This is why I hope a lot of series will be available on DVD soon.

Exactly.

Take M*A*S*H, for example... there's a world of difference between the edited versions on FX/Fox, and the original uncut versions. Everything makes sense when you're not missing jokes and plot points (and don't have a laugh track over top of it all).

And The Monkees... I was amazed that the first season had a different opening since I'd only seen the show on cable.

DVD is probably the only place you'll ever see unedited sitcoms from the 50s to the 80s ever again.

Originally posted by SOLOMON



Yeah i think it was the very first Jeffersons episode when I hear that word and it was Jan of 1999. Normally N@N would cut that word out. N@N does cut that word out on All in the Family Episodes.

maybe they find it alright for a black person to say the n-word. IF we're talking about the same n-word.:confused:

Originally posted by Brandon


maybe they find it alright for a black person to say the n-word. IF we're talking about the same n-word.:confused:


Actually i have a N@N episode of the Jeffersons when Tom Willis calls George a n... I was surprised they left that scene in.

Originally posted by Jack1000
Hey Guys,

I wanted to shed some light on this topic. Personally, I think that political correctness sucks! However, the changing times, and sensitivity to ethnic issues have forced edits in may classic sitcomes case in point:

"Reference to the N-Word in shows like Sanford & Son and All in the Family have been cut."

"The deleation of minutes off of shows to allow for time." (Most syndicate/cable affiliate shows come in at 22-24 minutes.) In a sitcom's original airing, 25-26 minutes was the norm."

Sometimes classic lines/scenes are just cut without explanation and "nothing" scenes are left intact. (A sunset scene stays, while a classic joke gets cut.)

Who do you think edits more? Standard Cable or Local Syndicate? I think that it may be about equal depending of where you live, the show being presented, and the version acquired by the network.

Note however, that "Nick at Night" is a must-carry network. This means that cable/dish networks must carry this channel on all systems in accordance with FCC regulation. Because this network is geared toward "Family Friendly Entertainment" and may be viewed by very small children in a household, racial content, violence, language, is either required to be delated in shows, or at best very very toned down if shown at all.

TV Land has a bit more leeway but not much. I would propose restoring the classic sitcoms to their original lengths with a parental advisory about the shows content for programs with sensitive issues. (i.e All in the Family, Sanford and Son) at the start of each program. Those that would be offended by such content have two options available to them. One, is a neat little button on your remote that changes channels! The other button is marked "Off" which turns your TV off! Translation, if you don't like the content...don't watch it!

FCC regulations request that cable operators do not show anything above a "PG-13" theatrical rating or "TV-14" for standard service cable. This is why our cable company moved the "Encore" channel to a premium digital package, because "Encore" shows R-Rated movies uncut" Anything above a PG-13 or TV-14 rating must get special approval from the FCC to be shown. (Like when Steven Spielberg bypassed Schindler's List from cable directly to NBC) The movie was shown almost uncut with a parental advisory because of the importance of the topic. We did have an independent station that ran uncut R-rated films on Friday nights at 1:30 am about 15-years ago, with parental advisories running during each commercial break in the movie. Parents objected and the station quicky cleaned up the films or dropped them altogether. I do think that there are certian classic films/sitcomes that can only be shown in their original uncut formats. Like I said before, if you don't like them, don't watch them!

Jack


That's very interesting that the FCC in the United States is so restricted with content in broadcasting. Here in Canada, I believe freedom of speech and expression is also extended to public airwaves (both radio and television). There have been many complaints to the CRTC from viewers who were watching uncut and unedited movies on certain public broadcast TV stations. One example is when the Montreal television station TQS aired the European uncut version of Stanely Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut back in November of last year. Nothing was cut out, and it was aired on Quebec public airwaves. Toronto's CITY-TV also aired that film uncut in January of this year. Both stations were granted permission by the CRTC to air this film, providing they air it after 9:00PM, and the stations post an "18+" (TV-MA) TV rating and a "Viewer Discretion Is Advised" disclaimer at the top of the hour, and after each commercial break.

It sounds to me like the FCC in the US should be much more lenient to public broadcasters if they are enforcing the V-chip and TV ratings.

Chris (Jenya's boyfriend)

Originally posted by Jenya
That's very interesting that the FCC in the United States is so restricted with content in broadcasting. Here in Canada, I believe freedom of speech and expression is also extended to public airwaves (both radio and television). There have been many complaints to the CRTC from viewers who were watching uncut and unedited movies on certain public broadcast TV stations. One example is when the Montreal television station TQS aired the European uncut version of Stanely Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut back in November of last year. Nothing was cut out, and it was aired on Quebec public airwaves. Toronto's CITY-TV also aired that film uncut in January of this year. Both stations were granted permission by the CRTC to air this film, providing they air it after 9:00PM, and the stations post an "18+" (TV-MA) TV rating and a "Viewer Discretion Is Advised" disclaimer at the top of the hour, and after each commercial break.

It sounds to me like the FCC in the US should be much more lenient to public broadcasters if they are enforcing the V-chip and TV ratings.

Chris (Jenya's boyfriend)



I agree 100%

Originally posted by Jack1000


Note however, that "Nick at Night" is a must-carry network. This means that cable/dish networks must carry this channel on all systems in accordance with FCC regulation. Because this network is geared toward "Family Friendly Entertainment" and may be viewed by very small children in a household, racial content, violence, language, is either required to be delated in shows, or at best very very toned down if shown at all.

Ha! Tell that to my cable company. It doesn't even carry Nick. Neither on basic nor digital service.

Originally posted by Original Prankster
Ha! Tell that to my cable company. It doesn't even carry Nick. Neither on basic or digital service.
You don't have Nick? Yikes, I hate it, but I'd go nuts without it. Too bad for you, really.

Originally posted by Janice
You don't have Nick? Yikes, I hate it, but I'd go nuts without it. Too bad for you, really.

lol No biggie. I'm moving in two weeks and I made sure I knew what stations I'm receiving. And it happens that both Nick and TVLand are on the basic service. This will be my first time having Nick since November 2000 and first time ever having TVLand. :D

Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
the N-Word, and the H-Word on shows like the Jeffersons, All in the Family, Good Times, and Sanford and Son. I wish they would leave it in since CBS and NBC had no problem airing these words at 8pm in the 70's. While N@N, TV LAND, and TBS refused to air scenes with those words at 1am, 2am and 5am in the morning. Makes no sense to me. Anyone else Agree?
Actually the "N" word was mentioned in a Barney Miller episode that was shown on TV Land not too long ago.

Originally posted by Janice
You don't have Nick? Yikes, I hate it, but I'd go nuts without it. Too bad for you, really.


Not having N@N is not necessarily a bad thing.

Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
Not having N@N is not necessarily a bad thing.
That's true. It's really The Cosby Network anyway. What I hate about N@N is how they lure me into a show and then pull the plug on it or bury it at 3am....happened with Coach and then Wings. I had never seen those shows before, loved them, and puff, it's over.
I'm glad that I had the opportunity to see them in the first place though. Nick and I have a love/hate relationship.

Originally posted by Original Prankster
lol No biggie. I'm moving in two weeks and I made sure I knew what stations I'm receiving. And it happens that both Nick and TVLand are on the basic service. This will be my first time having Nick since November 2000 and first time ever having TVLand. :D
Aww, a TV Land virgin. I hope it's everything you hope it is ;). And gear up for, All Cosby All The Time, on N@N.

Originally posted by Janice
Aww, a TV Land virgin. I hope it's everything you hope it is ;). And gear up for, All Cosby All The Time, on N@N.


The one good thing thing TV LAND has done is air Welcome Back Kotter. I never had a chance to see it before TV LAND aired it.

Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
The one good thing thing TV LAND has done is air Welcome Back Kotter. I never had a chance to see it before TV LAND aired it.
I feel the same way about TV Land because I got to see every episode of Barney Miller, a lot of Bob Newhart, and I'm really enjoying Bewitched now.

Originally posted by Original Prankster
lol No biggie. I'm moving in two weeks and I made sure I knew what stations I'm receiving. And it happens that both Nick and TVLand are on the basic service. This will be my first time having Nick since November 2000 and first time ever having TVLand. :D

They wouldn't happen to have....you know what....would they?

PS And don't act like you don't know! You know darn well what you know and if you stop me from knowing, you would have to know better than that! Chrissy moment...

the Sanford and Son DVD doesn't censor it out at least.

the Sanford and Son DVD doesn't censor it out at least.


I think it's only cut on cable channels