I'm sorry but this episode made no sense to me. Why in the world would the producers have EDITH being attacked? I think it would have more sense to put Gloria in that situation since she was younger. Edith to me gave off a grandmom type of vibe and to see her in that situation just didn't look right to me. It actually made my stomach kind of queasy. But this is just my opinion. I honestly don't think that episode should be shown in syndication.

I gotta disagree, Solomon. No offense, but rape happens to young and old. I guess they had to set it up, you know? Gloria got attacked in one ep, not raped, but near rape. Gloria wanted to report her attack, but Mike and Archie decided for her that she wouldn't report it. They had to tell about the flip side. They couldn't do it again with Gloria, so they did it with Edith. Edith would have her afraid moments (like a normal attack), but Gloria made Edith go and report the attack. Gloria went the whole tough love route and it worked on Edith.

Didn't Jean win some sort of award for that ep? j/w

jmo

I Think It added more Drama to it to have Edith be the one raped. Everyone that watched it felt sorry for her and really hated the guy that tried to do it.

It is quite realistic though, Their are some real sickos out their. A Couple years ago a 90 Year Old Woman in my area was raped and killed by a man in his early 20's i believe.

I think this is one of the best episodes All in The Family ever made. It is sad to know there are sickos that would do that to older women or any one for the matter. I hope they continue airing it in syndication, it speaks out to people imo.

Originally posted by *Chris*
I think this is one of the best episodes All in The Family ever made. It is sad to know there are sickos that would do that to older women or any one for the matter. I hope they continue airing it in syndication, it speaks out to people imo.


I just found it hard to watch. I guess it was the age factor.

Originally posted by SOLOMON
I guess it was the age factor.




Well I guess that was the point of the episode. To let you know people will rape anyone at any age. Age don't matter to the rapers. just my opinion though

Originally posted by Jenny
I gotta disagree, Solomon. No offense, but rape happens to young and old. I guess they had to set it up, you know? Gloria got attacked in one ep, not raped, but near rape. Gloria wanted to report her attack, but Mike and Archie decided for her that she wouldn't report it. They had to tell about the flip side. They couldn't do it again with Gloria, so they did it with Edith. Edith would have her afraid moments (like a normal attack), but Gloria made Edith go and report the attack. Gloria went the whole tough love route and it worked on Edith.

Didn't Jean win some sort of award for that ep? j/w

jmo


Yes Jenny i just found out that the episode Edith's 50th Birthday won an award in 1978 for Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series

That was a really hard episode to watch for me too, just because it was sad to see her getting attacked, but I think it was a good episode, it wasnt about how old she was

Originally posted by SOLOMON



Yes Jenny i just found out that the episode Edith's 50th Birthday won an award in 1978 for Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series

You know, I really kind of feel sorry for the actor playing the rapist. Um, his name escapes me at the moment, but wow he got a real reaction out of the scene. You watched that E! True Hollywood Story over AITF, Solomon? The actor was talking about that ep and I think he said people were booing at him while he was doing the scene. I can't remember what else he said about the ep and if they were doing anything else to him, besides booing at him. It's been awhile since I've watched the show, so I can't remember anything else he said.

He did a really good job on the ep, imo. I'm sure some people gave him trouble about that ep off the set. Some people just confuse the actors with the characters they play. I'm sure if he was walking down the street, someone might've stopped him and called him a bastard for hurting Edith. It might sound crazy, but I bet it happened to him at least once.

Ugh, what is his name? I can't remember. If I hadn't posted a reply in this topic, I would've remembered his name.

Originally posted by Jenny


You know, I really kind of feel sorry for the actor playing the rapist. Um, his name escapes me at the moment, but wow he got a real reaction out of the scene. You watched that E! True Hollywood Story over AITF, Solomon? The actor was talking about that ep and I think he said people were booing at him while he was doing the scene. I can't remember what else he said about the ep and if they were doing anything else to him, besides booing at him. It's been awhile since I've watched the show, so I can't remember anything else he said.

He did a really good job on the ep, imo. I'm sure some people gave him trouble about that ep off the set. Some people just confuse the actors with the characters they play. I'm sure if he was walking down the street, someone might've stopped him and called him a bastard for hurting Edith. It might sound crazy, but I bet it happened to him at least once.

Ugh, what is his name? I can't remember. If I hadn't posted a reply in this topic, I would've remembered his name.


On the episode, his name was David Dukes

Originally posted by Jenny


You know, I really kind of feel sorry for the actor playing the rapist. Um, his name escapes me at the moment, but wow he got a real reaction out of the scene. You watched that E! True Hollywood Story over AITF, Solomon? The actor was talking about that ep and I think he said people were booing at him while he was doing the scene. I can't remember what else he said about the ep and if they were doing anything else to him, besides booing at him. It's been awhile since I've watched the show, so I can't remember anything else he said.

He did a really good job on the ep, imo. I'm sure some people gave him trouble about that ep off the set. Some people just confuse the actors with the characters they play. I'm sure if he was walking down the street, someone might've stopped him and called him a bastard for hurting Edith. It might sound crazy, but I bet it happened to him at least once.

Ugh, what is his name? I can't remember. If I hadn't posted a reply in this topic, I would've remembered his name.


Correction, his real name was David Dukes, on the show it was Lambert

Originally posted by SOLOMON



Correction, his real name was David Dukes, on the show it was Lambert

David Dukes. Thank you for answering my question, Solomon. I would've drove myself crazy trying to think of his name. Thanks for answering.

A few tidbits about "Edith's 50th Birthday Party"-


The storyline was originally conceived for "One Day at a Time's" Ann Romano played by Bonnie Franklin, but the show's execs felt Edith would make a more sympathetic victim.

Copies of the episode were requested by rape crisis centers across the country and were shown for a number of years.

The cast initially did not want to perform this episode, only after a satisfactory story was completed, did all concerned agree to do the episode.

While this episode was praised after its original airing, some felt the slapstick humor and jokes between Archie and Mike were in poor taste and out of place, next to what Edith was going through.

Originally posted by Flash72
A few tidbits about "Edith's 50th Birthday Party"-


The storyline was originally conceived for "One Day at a Time's" Ann Romano played by Bonnie Franklin, but the show's execs felt Edith would make a more sympathetic victim.

Copies of the episode were requested by rape crisis centers across the country and were shown for a number of years.

The cast initially did not want to perform this episode, only after a satisfactory story was completed, did all concerned agree to do the episode.

While this episode was praised after its original airing, some felt the slapstick humor and jokes between Archie and Mike were in poor taste and out of place, next to what Edith was going through.


What was the slapstick humor and jokes between Mike and Archie? I can't remember

Well, if this were real, Mike and Archie would not have known what was going on next door. So, the comic routines between Archie and Mike were a 'breather' for the audience. It gave you comic relief after seeing the Edith scenes. I think they did a great job on both parts.
-Kristi

I love the character of Edith and everything like that & it was a powerful episode! I wondered what direction they would have taked it if they had let that man had actually raped Edith! She'd probably be more shook & would have been more powerful..... I'm glad they didn't go that route before.... I wish they had explored this more.... the thing I hate about tv shows... is that after something traumatizing happens... they have something on it for 2 or 3 episodes and then they have the next episode where everything is perfectly normal like nothing happens. I wish they would have had 2 or 3 more episodes of seeing how this can really affect a woman's or even a man's life. One episode where Edith could lose all trust in men & be frightened of them... and distancing herself from Archie. I just wish they would have had more depth in her finding a counselor and then dropping it.

I see what you mean....when something terrible happens, it's forgotten in the very next episode. But remember the AITF episode (a 3-parter actually) when Archie (nearly) cheated on Edith? That was mentioned in several episodes, even up to the last season. That's one example...the one you gave was good too...about Edith seeing a counselor. But they didn't go into that. I guess you can only do so many things at a time. And maybe because the episode got such a strong reaction from the audience and viewers, they didn't want to keep "dragging it out" several episodes later. Maybe...
-Kristi

Originally posted by GeorgiaboyJeff!
I love the character of Edith and everything like that & it was a powerful episode! I wondered what direction they would have taked it if they had let that man had actually raped Edith! She'd probably be more shook & would have been more powerful..... I'm glad they didn't go that route before.... I wish they had explored this more.... the thing I hate about tv shows... is that after something traumatizing happens... they have something on it for 2 or 3 episodes and then they have the next episode where everything is perfectly normal like nothing happens. I wish they would have had 2 or 3 more episodes of seeing how this can really affect a woman's or even a man's life. One episode where Edith could lose all trust in men & be frightened of them... and distancing herself from Archie. I just wish they would have had more depth in her finding a counselor and then dropping it.

That's what pisses me off with some shows. These instant miracle shows. Okay, lets say someone has a really, really serious drug/alchol/eating disorder problem. They take an episode, maybe two, possibly three episodes to deal with the storyline. You telling me, if someone has a really serious drug/alchol/eating disorder problem that it will clear up immediately w/in that ep, 2 eps, or 3 eps?

Yeah, for some that might happen, but what about falling off the wagon. I can see why the show wouldn't use a whole season story arc for one situation, but at least let the person fall off the wagon once or twice. It makes a show more realistic to me.

I'm sorry, but I just really can't stand it if someone is heavy into drugs in combo of eps and once the 1,2, 3 eps are done, they treat everything like, *sucking on lollypop* 'everything is so dandy. ladidaladdida. I've been using drugs secretly for like 3 years and now I'm flying straight after three episodes' I hate it. jmo

Oh man, I didn't know Edit was raped, I thought she was just attacked. That is SAD. It would've been sad enough if she was "Just attacked", actually. Did she die because of this? Was this the last episode of "All in the Family", or the first episode of "Archie Bunker's Place", or what? I don't think I could take watching this episode, to tell the truth.

She wasn't raped, she was able to stand up to her attacker. And in the next episode, they show how she's still having a hard time dealing with what had happened to her.
-Kristi

Originally posted by ClesStahn
Oh man, I didn't know Edit was raped, I thought she was just attacked. That is SAD. It would've been sad enough if she was "Just attacked", actually. Did she die because of this? Was this the last episode of "All in the Family", or the first episode of "Archie Bunker's Place", or what? I don't think I could take watching this episode, to tell the truth.


This was a All in The Family Episode in 1977 Not Archie Bunkers PLace.

He collapsed and died while in Washington to film Rose Red (2001) (mini).

Received numerous death threats after he played a character who tried to rape Edith Bunker in "All in the Family" (1971) "Edith's 50th Birthday, Part One" 10/16/1977

His wife, Carol Muske, wrote a book titled Life after Death, where a woman upset at her husband for leaving her and child says to him "Why don't you just die?". The next day he dies of a heart attack on a tennis court. Shortly after the book was completed, David Dukes went to play tennis and died of a heart attack.

Former discussions on Edith's attempted rape.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57194

Originally posted by Janice
He collapsed and died while in Washington to film Rose Red (2001) (mini).

Received numerous death threats after he played a character who tried to rape Edith Bunker in "All in the Family" (1971) "Edith's 50th Birthday, Part One" 10/16/1977

His wife, Carol Muske, wrote a book titled Life after Death, where a woman upset at her husband for leaving her and child says to him "Why don't you just die?". The next day he dies of a heart attack on a tennis court. Shortly after the book was completed, David Dukes went to play tennis and died of a heart attack.



Well whoever sent him death threats was CRAZY because they wasn't normal enough to realize he just played a character on a sitcom.

Originally posted by SOLOMON
I'm sorry but this episode made no sense to me. Why in the world would the producers have EDITH being attacked? I think it would have more sense to put Gloria in that situation since she was younger. Edith to me gave off a grandmom type of vibe and to see her in that situation just didn't look right to me. It actually made my stomach kind of queasy. But this is just my opinion. I honestly don't think that episode should be shown in syndication.
Rape isn't about sex. Anyone can pick someone up in a bar and have sex, so that isn't what rapists want. Rape is an act of violence and control.
People of all ages and gender get raped...babies, children, the elderly, even mentally ******** people who are institutionalized.
I recall a case where a hospital worker actually raped a women who was in a coma for years. She got pregnant.
I think this was one of the best episodes ever of All In The Family.

Originally posted by SOLOMON




Well whoever sent him death threats was CRAZY because they wasn't normal enough to realize he just played a character on a sitcom.

Numerous people do that. Take George Reeves for an example. I know he isn't with us anymore, but I bet people came up to him and acted like he was really Superman. Fly for me Superman. I want to see how fast you can fly. George Reeves couldn't fly by himself. Superman could fly with the special wires.

Or Leonard Nimoy. I think this happened to him. I read it in one of his books, unless I have him confused with somebody else. But somebody came up to him, the person had a sick child or a sick grandchild, take your pick. The person wanted Leonard to come and heal the kid. Leonard Nimoy is just a plain man. Yes, he played Spock, but he can't do the stuff he did as Mr. Spock. Mr. Spock was a character and part of a storyline, but I bet so many people think of him as Spock then they do Leonard Nimoy.

You pick any famous actor that played a famous character, and I can guarantee you that somebody confuses the actor with the character.

Me and one of my friends were talking.... did Edith die during this ep. or in a later ep.?

Originally posted by Celtic Avenger
Me and one of my friends were talking.... did Edith die during this ep. or in a later ep.?


No Edith didn't die on All in the Family, she died on a episode of (Archie Bunker's PLace). Archie's Bunkers Place was a REVAMPED version of All in the Family which started in the Fall of 1979.

Originally posted by Jim Merkerson
What do you know about it, Jenny? You weren't even alive when George Reeves played Superman.

:hello
You don't have to be alive to know about something. I know a lot about the Civil War, and I wasn't born until almost 100 years after it ended.

I've studied the Great Depression and World War II and that ended in 1945. I didn't come around until 1978. So, yes, you can know many things that happened before you were alive.
-Kristi

Originally posted by Jim Merkerson
What do you know about it, Jenny? You weren't even alive when George Reeves played Superman.


That remark was totally uncalled for and inane. Just because someone was not alive during a particular time in history does not mean that they can't be knowledgable on said time. I am willing to bet that you know about Adam and Eve, and I am equally sure you were not around back then, either.

To me the weakest excuse I have heard from people about not knowing about history is that it was "before their time." If one wants to know about something or someone, they should not let when they were born predicate their knowledge.

Originally posted by Jim Merkerson
What do you know about it, Jenny? You weren't even alive when George Reeves played Superman.

Oh, it looks like we've got a meathead newbie. I'm 19 years old, I'm not totally clueless to history. You might run up on some teenagers that will have no earthly idea about stuff that happened in the past, will ignore the past. But I love older stuff. You thought you were getting a stereotypical teenager that doesn't know one damn thing besides what's happening right now. Lyke ohmigod, I'm so in love with Justin Timberlake. I'm gonna lyke marry him or something. Guess what honey, I'm not a stereotypical teenager. I hate Justin Timberlake. You wanna hear some of the musicians I like? Elvis and Billy Idol are two of my faves. Whoa, did you so see that coming at ya? Elvis and Billy Idol, I bet you expected me to say Jennifer Lopez, Justin Timberlake and all those other crappy "musicians" from today. I will give bonus points to some new singers. I like Michelle Branch, she's pretty good. And the rest of the new singers I like are country singers.

If I were a stereotypical teenager, why the hell would I be at this AITF board? Why would I care about a show that was made in the 70s? But that's not true. AITF is one of my favorite shows. No, I wasn't alive during AITF or Batman or The Andy Griffith Show or countless other things that I like. Are you saying it's against the law to actually know stuff about the past and actually like stuff from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s?

I really and truly don't like your attitude, either. You're really not making bonus points with it. So my advice to you is open your eyes, don't pay attention to stereotypes and pry that stick out of your ass. :D

Originally posted by Jenny
...I bet you expected me to say Jennifer Lopez, Justin Timberlake and all those other crappy musicians from today...

Yeah! You forgot to put quotation marks on "musicians" though, heh.

Originally posted by ConservativeBaller
Yeah! You forgot to put quotation marks on "musicians" though, heh.

I need to edit and put that. Just like clone inventory. You got one hit singer, they gotta go and clone it w/ another person.

And I want to thank all of the people that stood up for me, also. Thank you. :)

Originally posted by Christopher
I think this is one of the best episodes All in The Family ever made. It is sad to know there are sickos that would do that to older women or any one for the matter. I hope they continue airing it in syndication, it speaks out to people imo.

i agree. i thought that episode was great.

Originally posted by Jenny
Oh, it looks like we've got a meathead newbie. I'm 19 years old, I'm not totally clueless to history. You might run up on some teenagers that will have no earthly idea about stuff that happened in the past, will ignore the past. But I love older stuff. You thought you were getting a stereotypical teenager that doesn't know one damn thing besides what's happening right now. Lyke ohmigod, I'm so in love with Justin Timberlake. I'm gonna lyke marry him or something. Guess what honey, I'm not a stereotypical teenager. I hate Justin Timberlake. You wanna hear some of the musicians I like? Elvis and Billy Idol are two of my faves. Whoa, did you so see that coming at ya? Elvis and Billy Idol, I bet you expected me to say Jennifer Lopez, Justin Timberlake and all those other crappy "musicians" from today. I will give bonus points to some new singers. I like Michelle Branch, she's pretty good. And the rest of the new singers I like are country singers.

If I were a stereotypical teenager, why the hell would I be at this AITF board? Why would I care about a show that was made in the 70s? But that's not true. AITF is one of my favorite shows. No, I wasn't alive during AITF or Batman or The Andy Griffith Show or countless other things that I like. Are you saying it's against the law to actually know stuff about the past and actually like stuff from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s?

I really and truly don't like your attitude, either. You're really not making bonus points with it. So my advice to you is open your eyes, don't pay attention to stereotypes and pry that stick out of your ass. :D
As usual Jenny....well said.
:clap :yourock:

Yes, I agree, very well said Jenny! I'm 25 and I've gotten the "aren't you a little young to be into that?" whether it would be AITF or the Beatles or whatever. I love the Oldies music and shows from the 70s. I tried to get into the music/TV shows of today, but they do nothing for me. Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong time....I should've been born in, maybe, 1948, intead of 1978. That way I would experience the 60s and 70s first time around. :)
-Kristi

Originally posted by KayEn78
Yes, I agree, very well said Jenny! I'm 25 and I've gotten the "aren't you a little young to be into that?" whether it would be AITF or the Beatles or whatever. I love the Oldies music and shows from the 70s. I tried to get into the music/TV shows of today, but they do nothing for me. Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong time....I should've been born in, maybe, 1948, intead of 1978. That way I would experience the 60s and 70s first time around. :)
-Kristi

Ugh, it was a nightmare in school. I'd love all this older stuff and people would just give me this weird look whenever I talked about some of the stuff I liked.

I like older stuff too. And Politics. And, I hate every new show these days except for AFV, Mad TV, and SNL. And SNL isn't near as good as it used to be. Speaking of which, what category would AFV be under here? Game Shows? General Sitcoms?

I hear you, Jenny! I was in the same boat as you when I was in school and even at home my siblings would make fun of me because I was into the older stuff and not the popular stuff that's out now. I remember a quote that was on a classroom wall in high school, that went something like this: "What's popular is not always right and what's right is not always popular." So true!
The only shows I watch that are out now are the Simpsons, America's Funniest Videos, Forensic Files and most recently American Dreams. Otherwise, I watch Happy Days, The Waltons, The Wonder Years, The Brady Bunch, All in the Family and Archie Bunker's Place (when it was on). When nothing good is on, I'll put on my AITF tapes and watch a couple of episodes. In fact, I did that last night. :) I'm glad boards like this exist so that I can talk about these shows with other people.
-Kristi

Originally posted by KayEn78
I hear you, Jenny! I was in the same boat as you when I was in school and even at home my siblings would make fun of me because I was into the older stuff and not the popular stuff that's out now. I remember a quote that was on a classroom wall in high school, that went something like this: "What's popular is not always right and what's right is not always popular." So true!
The only shows I watch that are out now are the Simpsons, America's Funniest Videos, Forensic Files and most recently American Dreams. Otherwise, I watch Happy Days, The Waltons, The Wonder Years, The Brady Bunch, All in the Family and Archie Bunker's Place (when it was on). When nothing good is on, I'll put on my AITF tapes and watch a couple of episodes. In fact, I did that last night. :) I'm glad boards like this exist so that I can talk about these shows with other people.
-Kristi



I'm the same, I love History and finding out about old movies and TV shows. My mom always tell me i should have been born in the 60's because of my obsessesion with the 1970's. I love everything about the 1970's. I love the shows, clothes, hairstyles, and music. I bought a CD called the Summer of 1973 and I was born in 1975-LOL

Originally posted by Jenny
Oh, it looks like we've got a meathead newbie. I'm 19 years old, I'm not totally clueless to history. You might run up on some teenagers that will have no earthly idea about stuff that happened in the past, will ignore the past. But I love older stuff. You thought you were getting a stereotypical teenager that doesn't know one damn thing besides what's happening right now. Lyke ohmigod, I'm so in love with Justin Timberlake. I'm gonna lyke marry him or something. Guess what honey, I'm not a stereotypical teenager. I hate Justin Timberlake. You wanna hear some of the musicians I like? Elvis and Billy Idol are two of my faves. Whoa, did you so see that coming at ya? Elvis and Billy Idol, I bet you expected me to say Jennifer Lopez, Justin Timberlake and all those other crappy "musicians" from today. I will give bonus points to some new singers. I like Michelle Branch, she's pretty good. And the rest of the new singers I like are country singers.

If I were a stereotypical teenager, why the hell would I be at this AITF board? Why would I care about a show that was made in the 70s? But that's not true. AITF is one of my favorite shows. No, I wasn't alive during AITF or Batman or The Andy Griffith Show or countless other things that I like. Are you saying it's against the law to actually know stuff about the past and actually like stuff from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s?

I really and truly don't like your attitude, either. You're really not making bonus points with it. So my advice to you is open your eyes, don't pay attention to stereotypes and pry that stick out of your ass. :D

well said....right on sister (I'm 23 and I love AITF!)

Originally posted by Jim Merkerson
And the name is Jim.

are you sure your 26 cause your acting like your 10

Originally posted by Jim Merkerson
And the name is Jim.

Edit: removed the "loser" wisecrack.

You're the only loser I see on here. I bet you are Dave Richards. And you know what, you aren't worth my time.

And you know what, I'll call you whatever the hell I want to call you. So you can take your bad attitude and shove it.

You don't even know a damn thing about me, so why the hell are you calling me a fool? You should read your posts more clearly because you sound like a fool.
For the record, there are plenty of books out there on the subjects I mentioned, written by people who were *there*. No, I will not have the experience of living in that time, but I can read about it and gather information (i.e. studying). Sure, some people who lived through those times will know more than I ever will because they were there. For the people who weren't there, they can pick up a book and read. Quit insulting others on this board. I'm through with you.
-Kristi

Originally posted by KayEn78
You don't even know a damn thing about me, so why the hell are you calling me a fool? You should read your posts more clearly because you sound like a fool.
For the record, there are plenty of books out there on the subjects I mentioned, written by people who were *there*. No, I will not have the experience of living in that time, but I can read about it and gather information (i.e. studying). Sure, some people who lived through those times will know more than I ever will because they were there. For the people who weren't there, they can pick up a book and read. Quit insulting others on this board. I'm through with you.
-Kristi


Well i have some good news. Jim was banned yesterday.

Look who's talking. You're not acting anywhere like you're 26. You're acting more like you're 10 or younger. Get a life. Thread closed.

Jim Merkerson and his alias "Jeroam Skinner" have now been given the complete ban by the IP. I'm re-opening this thread now that he is gone for now.

Thanks for taking care of that, Brian. :) Now we can get back to the topic...
-Kristi

Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
No Edith didn't die on All in the Family, she died on a episode of (Archie Bunker's PLace). Archie's Bunkers Place was a REVAMPED version of All in the Family which started in the Fall of 1979. Just a note to all of you sitcomanalyzers up to and including Solomon, this is the last post before El Stinkbutt hijacked the thread. So ... you were saying?:talk: :)

Originally posted by Kitt
Just a note to all of you sitcomanalyzers up to and including Solomon, this is the last post before El Stinkbutt hijacked the thread. So ... you were saying?:talk: :)


Look like i was saying that Edith's death was on ABP. and that ABP was not a spinoff

It wasn't a spin-off?

Originally posted by ConservativeBaller
It wasn't a spin-off?



No, Archie Bunker's Place was just a REVAMPED version of All in the Family because Archie was still on the show.

Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
No, Archie Bunker's Place was just a REVAMPED version of All in the Family because Archie was still on the show.


Sitcom Analyzer said it and that makes it so.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by GeeBee
Sitcom Analyzer said it and that makes it so.

:rolleyes:


Exactly

Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
Exactly


Couldn't you tell that GeeBee was being sarcastic with you?

Originally posted by Brian
Couldn't you tell that GeeBee was being sarcastic with you?


I was being sarcastic TOO-LOL

I see. Thanks.

Originally posted by Christopher
Age don't matter to the rapers.

Or the rapists, even. :rolleyes:

Just wanted to comment on the Rape epsiode. The attack on Edith was very unsettling and I think that was point. Edith was this church going, care-giver that most people cared for. The attacker was a person who appeared to be a law bidding guy and not some junkie looking for his next hit. It is sad but most rapists are not the ugly, junkie monster in the back alley. It was probably the most important episodes in the history of ALL of the Family because not only raising awarness of Rape, but encourged victims to take a stand for their rights

I was 12 years old when I first saw this episode.It wasn,t until I happened to come upon this episode,that I had ever even heard of rape.The subject was so new to me.Not to mention,the episode itself came as an emotional shock for me,when viewing it for the very first time.It was almost like a horror movie.I had never seen Edith treated so awful in my entire life.And on her birthday too.Unbeleivable.Forgive me if I sound somewhat overly dramatic.I guess that,s how I felt at the time.I imagine lots of people felt the same way,when viewing this episode for the first time.About the part where Archie goes back to his house for a minute to return the smashed punch bowl,with Lambert hiding in the closet.Even with Edith,s tears Archie doesn,t suspect a thing.It makes me wonder what his reaction would,ve been if he had discovered Lambert,s presence.Would he have been angry enough to punch out the guy,or[since Lambert had a gun]would he have been just as frightened as Edith naturally was.I just love the way the studio audience cheered ever so loudly,when Edith finally managed to escape after hitting Lambert with the burnt cake and kicking him out the back door.The audience had apparently given her a standing ovation.This is definetly an episode I,ll never forget.However,I do find it interesting how once this two part episode is over and done with,how Edith is instantly back to normal and the whole situation seems totally forgotten.In real life it would take possibly over a year for a person to recover from a trauma like that.But I realise how things are in TV sitcoms.

Originally posted by Flash72
A few tidbits about "Edith's 50th Birthday Party"-


The storyline was originally conceived for "One Day at a Time's" Ann Romano played by Bonnie Franklin, but the show's execs felt Edith would make a more sympathetic victim.

Copies of the episode were requested by rape crisis centers across the country and were shown for a number of years.

The cast initially did not want to perform this episode, only after a satisfactory story was completed, did all concerned agree to do the episode.

While this episode was praised after its original airing, some felt the slapstick humor and jokes between Archie and Mike were in poor taste and out of place, next to what Edith was going through. Incidentally,just for interest sake,actor David Dukes,who had played Edith,s attacker Lambert,did appear in one episode of One Day At A Time.He played a handsome airline pilot who seemed to instantly get into a mad love romance with Ann.

Originally posted by Flash72
A few tidbits about "Edith's 50th Birthday Party"-


The storyline was originally conceived for "One Day at a Time's" Ann Romano played by Bonnie Franklin, but the show's execs felt Edith would make a more sympathetic victim.

Copies of the episode were requested by rape crisis centers across the country and were shown for a number of years.

The cast initially did not want to perform this episode, only after a satisfactory story was completed, did all concerned agree to do the episode.

While this episode was praised after its original airing, some felt the slapstick humor and jokes between Archie and Mike were in poor taste and out of place, next to what Edith was going through. Incidentally,just for interest sake,actor David Dukes,who had played Edith,s attacker Lambert,did appear in one episode of One Day At A Time.He played a handsome airline pilot who seemed to instantly get into a major love romance with Ann.

Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
I just found it hard to watch. I guess it was the age factor.

Age factor?? Edith was supposedly in her late forties or very early fifties during this ep. She may have looked much older but that's what was goin on there. The rapist looked to me to be in his 30's. And.....she wasn't "raped" anyway, remember? So there's nothing to get upset about anyway.

Originally posted by Viola_Fuss
Age factor?? Edith was supposedly in her late forties or very early fifties during this ep. She may have looked much older but that's what was goin on there. The rapist looked to me to be in his 30's. And.....she wasn't "raped" anyway, remember? So there's nothing to get upset about anyway.


I just couldn't handle Edith being in that situation. Gloria was better suited for that Storyline

Gloria had her "attack" episode already though. They wouldn't have her do another. The purpose of this episode was two-fold:

1) To shock and upset the viewer. "Bad things happen to GOOD people..." Yes...even good people like a motherly and "older" Edith. And of course there was the poignant conversation between mother and daughter ABOUT being attacked--the Gloria/Constuction site ep acting as a backdrop or lead-in to this important episode.

2) To point out that women CAN survive an attack if they think quick, and use their brains. Edith wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but she really faked the guy out and got away. And her decision to prosecute brought it all home.

Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
I just couldn't handle Edith being in that situation. Gloria was better suited for that Storyline


That's a ridiculous statement.

Originally posted by GeeBee
That's a ridiculous statement.


Well that's how I feel

In reponse to the person who said Gloria was better suited for the topic I have to differ. As I understand it in your view young and pretty girls are the usual victims of rape. Not only is this wrong, but a dangerous position to hold. All across the country women of all age groups are raped. Rape has nothing to do with appearances but about control. they chose Edith because it said to the public any women could be attacked, and not just young and attractive

Originally posted by douglasjc
In reponse to the person who said Gloria was better suited for the topic I have to differ. As I understand it in your view young and pretty girls are the usual victims of rape. Not only is this wrong, but a dangerous position to hold. All across the country women of all age groups are raped. Rape has nothing to do with appearances but about control. they chose Edith because it said to the public any women could be attacked, and not just young and attractive


I understand it happens to all types of women it was just something I didn't want to see on a TV Sitcom.

Obviously the OP has feelings about this ep that go deeper than message board conversation can explain. All the points about age and rape have been brought up to him in this thread and he still thinks it should have been written for Gloria, even though an ep was already DONE on her and a sexual attack. Yes it was "queasy-making" but like I said it was done for that reason. To make us all sick about sexual assualt as acts of violence-- no matter the AGE or attractiveness of the victim.

This may be a bit off topic,but ironically,a young teenaged girl from where I live,had been sexually assaulted in September 1977.This was just one month prior to the original televised airdate of"Edith's 50th Birthday",which was October 16 1977.Though I'm sure that was nothing more than a coincidence.

Originally posted by Viola_Fuss
And.....she wasn't "raped" anyway, remember? So there's nothing to get upset about anyway.

No, she wasn't but she was still attacked and to see that happening to her WAS very upsetting for fans, myself included.

Jean Stapleton is the epitome of an actress! she was excellent in that episode-- I have heard thru a friend who's Dad was at the taping of that show- that when she threw him out and got away the audience was standing stomping on the chairs they had to cut taping to calm them down! that is how real it felt- and to think who would hurt our Edith?

Jean Stapleton is the epitome of an actress! she was excellent in that episode-- I have heard thru a friend who's Dad was at the taping of that show- that when she threw him out and got away the audience was standing stomping on the chairs they had to cut taping to calm them down! that is how real it felt- and to think who would hurt our Edith?



Yeah you could defintely tell by watching that episode that the audience was so happy she was able to get away

In the book"Archie & Edith/Mike & Gloria",actor David Dukes wrote that when Jean Stapleton as Edith threw him as her attacker Lambert out the kitchen door and stormed out of the house through the front door,everyone in the studio audience gave a standing ovation while cheering her on.

You gotta remember that this episode was done at such a dais, and so many people saw it. When Edith went to identify Lambert, it was probably very poignant for lots of women.

I remember someone telling me that they were in grammar school when it aired, and they remember the teachers talking about it in the hallway and the students all talking about it. The students knew what exactly what the teachers were talking about, but wouldn't bring it up since they were in like 6th grade.

In my opinion, it was a perfect episode with the most powerful moment in television history - and Mike and Archie's comic relief balanced the tension. I just wished that the episode stopped before the denouement were Gloria sobbs in Mike's arms after Edith leaves.

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David Dukes. Thank you for answering my question, Solomon. I would've drove myself crazy trying to think of his name. Thanks for answering.

Boy, and with the same name as a racist a la Archie minus the heart (read: New Orleans Britney-state former KKK Tom Metzger-type leader, ) David Dukes already must get heat.

I rememebr that episode..imagine if David Dukes had played a racist friend of Archie's a la "Wait till your Father gets HOme"'s Ralph (Jack Burns, to Tom Bosley's "Harry": father character). How the skin would fly.Well., humans ain't got fur.

I gotta disagree, Solomon. jmo
It's TV Researcher. You need glasses,no offence.:D

It's TV Researcher. You need glasses,no offence.:D
His screen name used to be Solomon. I think you're the one who needs a trip to the eye doctor. You're replying to a post that's almost four years old, and to a member who hasn't posted in years. :lol:

His screen name used to be Solomon. I think you're the one who needs a trip to the eye doctor. You're replying to a post that's almost four years old, and to a member who hasn't posted in years. :lol:


LOL myself...you're right.. Solomon's website is still there and the name is there..I did note the date though..and btw to update this I agree with DarleneX r...Edith was older but rape is no sex act (honestly, why would anyone "love" someone if they desired to rape them and not have a nice relationship...again, that the actor in question was "David Dukes" (his real name) plus a notorious racist who probaly likes blackface Bugs Bunny shorts (David Duke of New Orleans,LA--which is a PRIMARILY African American community), and that David Dukes played this risky role must have got him teased by wisenheimer types.