ok this is kinda old and probely kinda oveouse but wat did frasier mean when that guy ask him it was his fist time and he said no i have been doing this since i was 12 i think i no wat he ment but im not sure

This is the first time I've heard a joke/reference to masturbation in an American sitcom that isn't Sex and the City - is American sitcom finally casting off its prudishness? It's a long way behind British sitcom (21 years at least). :rolleyes:

yea i figured it out a while ago but forgot and now i remember that alot of people inow got bad about him saying that ?

yea i know a lot of people who got mad when he said that too

I'm sorry, but I don't remember anyone "getting mad" when these lines were said on Frasier. Just who do you think was upset? The fans who post on the newsgroups? The critics? The casual viewers on the internet groups? I read a lot of posts and articles and I don't recall anyone especially expressing displeasure at those few short lines. What I remember is that most people thought the humour concerning that topic in that episode was "clever" and "very funny".

BTW: Although North American television isn't as advanced as British T.V. with some kinds of humour, this episode of Frasier isn't the first time the topic of masturbation has been mentioned during a televison show. In fact, ironically, it was in 1992 that "Seinfeld" had several episodes that featured that very topic as the focal point of the humour and a younger Jane Leeves was the guest star in them (playing Marla "the virgin"). It was her work in those Seinfeld episodes that led to her being noticed by the NBC "suits" and being eventually being cast as Daphne on Frasier.

Thanks for the info Valma, I remember seeing those eps of "Seinfeld", but so long ago it seems! Here in the UK we're used to hearing about how our popular sitcoms (or their US remakes) are required by US networks to be toned down so much (removing all references to sex, drugs, smoking, drunkenness) they lose their meaning - eg AbFab, Men Behaving Badly. So hearing moderate references to masturbation in US sitcoms from the main networks is quite a revelation!

i never really ment that i got mad or anything just some people i no did but i should not say any thing about that so just wanted to clear that up with u

yea a couple of my friends got a little upset about it but i dont think it was a big deal

So both of you were exaggerating when you said that "a lot of people were mad when he said that"? Just want to clear that up. :-)

BTW: I'm not sure blatant references are any more "forward thinking" than clever, subtle remarks. I think it plays much more funny the way Frasier decided to go. Another example of this that comes to mind is how "Frasier" cleverly showed the way Niles was passionately excited by Daphne in "Bla-Z-y Boy" during the scene where the two of them were on the piano bench ("Knees Off the Keys Please" scene). Nothing overt or outwardly crass - just subtle innuendo and suggestion, that let the audience share in the imaginative humour, but didn't hit them over the head with it. Perrrrrfect! :-))

Originally posted by Valma


Another example of this that comes to mind is how "Frasier" cleverly showed the way Niles was passionately excited by Daphne in "Bla-Z-y Boy" during the scene where the two of them were on the piano bench ("Knees Off the Keys Please" scene).

I can think of two other examples of gags about...erm...the same subject as you just mentioned and funnily enough, they are both about Niles! One was in "A Mid-Winter Night's Dream" when Daphne says to Niles "Dr Crane! Your Glockenspiel's sprung to life!" and it takes him several seconds to realise she is actually talking about his Glockenspiel clock.

The other was in the 'hot' scene in 'Daphne hates Sherry' when Niles and Daphne are alone in his apartment and when she says "I really need to get out of these sweaty clothes" the CD tray on the CD player he's leaning against 'pops' open by mistake!

You're right, 'Frasier' is very good at those!