View Full Version : Richard Floyd McCoy was D.B. Cooper, IMO


Awsi Dooger
05-04-2003, 02:35 AM
The Unsolved Mysteries account of the D.B. Cooper episode was rather pathetic, like most other TV depictions of the skyjacking. UM simply implied Cooper had never been found, without mentioning the incredibly similar skyjacking just four months later, also in the Northwest, that was carried out by Richard Floyd McCoy. Perhaps some of you have seen the Discovery Channel two-hour version of McCoy's crime, called, "Flight From Justice: The Story of D.B. Cooper." Most recently it aired Thursday night, May 1.

I purchased the most relevant book, "D.B. Cooper: The Real McCoy," by Bernie Rhodes, and am convinced the Cooper incident is a non-mystery that ended with McCoy's death in 1974, shot by FBI agents many months after a prison escape. The similarities in modus operandi of Cooper and McCoy are beyond chance, plus the side-by-side layouts of the Cooper sketch and actual pictures of McCoy are remarkably similar, and exactly as I always envisioned Cooper -- younger than estimated but with a receding hairline and some hardness to him that masked the true age, along with make-up and partial disguise. Both skyjackers were remembered as having protruding ears, and McCoy's military nickname was Dumbo.

The theory is that Cooper came somewhat unprepared for the first skyjacking, and lost almost all the $200,000 after jumping from the plane, necessitating a modified rerun. The clincher, at least in my view: a narrow tie and mother-of-pearl tie clasp that D.B. Cooper left in the plane were identified by McCoy's relatives as belonging to McCoy.

If anyone else is interested in the book, I got it directly from the University of Utah Press by calling (801) 272-2211. They charged $18 including shipping. Amazon and other major online sellers were asking several times that amount for this relatively obscure book.

TJ
05-06-2003, 05:14 AM
Richard McCoy was definitely mentioned in the Unsolved Mysteries segment, I have it in my notes. Perhaps you only saw the first part of the segment? He's mentioned at the end of the 2nd segment.

April 1972 - $500,000 extorted by another skyjacker - Richard McCoy- sentenced to 45 years for air piracy, escaped and tracked down and killed in gun battle with FBI. The composite drawing of D.B. Cooper beared resemblance to McCoy, a former Green Beret sky diver.

The Unsolved Mysteries account I thought it was pretty good, considering they only devoted 2 segments to it.

The Gooch
05-06-2003, 04:01 PM
D.B. Cooper was a man named Duane Weber. If you read some articles about him on the internet, the evidence is stronger than that of McCoy. Even the chief investigator of the case believes it was Weber. I also saw this reported on CNN a couple of years ago.

johnnyangel
05-06-2003, 05:02 PM
McCoy was NOT Cooper, amen.

The flight attendants on the plane who interacted with "cooper" face to face saw pictures of McCoy later on and have sworn affidavits that McCoy bore no resemblance to "Cooper"

I think you are focusing too much on a composite picture that would turn out to prove inaccuate in the end.

These were not the same men, plain and simple.

Awsi Dooger
05-08-2003, 02:44 AM
First of all, I did not see, or perhaps remember, the mention of Richard McCoy during the second segment of the Unsolved Mysteries account. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

But to suggest Duane Weber as a more likely D.B. Cooper than McCoy is an absurdity like Monty Python multiplied by Saturday Night Live multiplied by the national debt. Again, that's in my opinion. Weber made a supposed claim to his wife decades later. McCoy has a duplicate on his resume, undeniable and within months of Cooper's skyjacking. I have checked the internet accounts and read all the posts by Weber's wife on another site. There is zero physical evidence linking Weber to the Cooper episode, just a cute story and plenty of want-to-believe by a gullible public.

The book I cited was written and researched by two FBI men who worked directly on the McCoy incident and traced him back to Cooper. McCoy claimed to have been at home in Provo, Utah during the Cooper incident, preparing for Thanksgiving. But Bernie Rhodes and other members of the FBI conclusively placed him in Las Vegas the morning of the Cooper jump. They found a gas receipt on McCoy's credit card about 200 miles north of Las Vegas early that morning, on the I-15 route from Provo to Las Vegas. The handwriting matched McCoy's. There is also a gas receipt from a Las Vegas service station the day after the Cooper jump, with the license plate number jotted down by the attendant. It matched McCoy's plate number. Plus there is a phone call from the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving night to McCoy's residence in Provo.

The theory: McCoy drove to Las Vegas the morning of the Cooper jump, and took an early flight to Portland, where the Cooper skyjack originated. The timeline fits perfectly. McCoy made it back to Las Vegas, called his family to say he was returning, washed the remaining ransom loot in the casinos, then gassed up his Volkswagen and drove back to Provo. And get this, prior to the second skyjacking McCoy made a practice run a week or two earlier, on the same flight. Likewise, the FBI found that McCoy had registered and stayed at the Westward Ho Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas three weeks to the day before the Cooper episode. McCoy was a student at BYU. Both jumps took place during periods when classes were not in session.

Following the D.B. Cooper jump, Richard McCoy suddenly had enough money for expensive round trip tickets for himself and his entire family to visit relatives in North Carolina. McCoy could not account for where the money came from. He also had an injured ankle that was treated at BYU. I noticed no one took a swing at how McCoy's tie and mother-of-pearl tie clasp were somehow left by D.B. Cooper in seat 18E of Northwest Flight 305 from Portland to Seattle. I could go on and on...

Regarding the physical similarities, here's a sentence from "D.B. Cooper: The Real McCoy": "Stewardesses aboard the Cooper plane, when shown photographs of Richard McCoy, agreed that he appeared very similar to the FBI artist's conception of D.B. Cooper." Wigs were likely worn in both incidents, and both skyjackers had brown spots on their hands from applying makeup. I am hardly relying on a single picture of McCoy, there are many in this book. I did a physical evaluation by computer -- space between eyes, height and width of nose, lips, face, etc. and everything matched remarkably. Admittedly, it's merely utilizing a sketch in Cooper's case, not an actual photo.

The FBI agent who rejects the McCoy theory and has shown interest in the Weber aspect is Ralph Himmelsbach. Of course, since Himmelsbach wrote a rambling, unspecific book and has made a post-retirement career of the Cooper case, it's hardly in his interest to announce he screwed up and the real skyjacker died years before his book was published. Himmelsbach forfeited credibility when he matter-of-factly claimed on national TV that McCoy had been conclusively placed in Los Angeles during the Cooper jump, due to National Guard duty. That was contradicted both by the written record of McCoy's service. Besides, even McCoy didn't claim to be in Los Angeles, but home in Provo as I mentioned earlier. If he had a cinch Cooper alibi why didn't he use it?

My job is in the mathematics and statistics field. Above all, the odds that an incident like this could occur twice within months -- with so many aspects ranging from startling similarity to absolute duplication -- and then never be repeated again, yet with two completely different perpetrators unknown to one another, are almost beyond estimation.

Awsi Dooger
05-08-2003, 03:25 AM
I realize my previous post was uncomfortably lengthy by newsgroup criteria, but I did neglect one vital aspect:

When Richard McCoy drove to Las Vegas early on Thanksgiving eve 1971, the day of the Cooper skyjacking, there was no further activity on his credit card until late the next night, Thanksgiving day itself, nor any phone calls from Las Vegas to the McCoy household, again until late Thanksgiving night. McCoy was not a gambler and denied visiting Las Vegas.

So where was Richard McCoy for that day and a half, if not undertaking the Cooper episode and return? Why would he nonchalantly use his credit card in early November at the Westward Ho in Las Vegas, and while purchasing the gasoline both before and after the timeline of the Cooper jump, then not even register for a hotel room the night after driving all morning from Provo to Las Vegas?

Awsi Dooger
05-13-2003, 03:48 AM
(One thing I gathered from the cynical posts in this thread, and that I completely understand and agree with, is that virtually zero Richard McCoy-as-D.B. Cooper info is available on the internet. I was amazed with all the specific facts in the book, "D.B. Cooper: The Real McCoy." I will post some of the most relevant info here, in separate posts instead of one rambling and unruly one):

The dark, narrow clip-on tie and mother-of-pearl tie clasp that stewardess Tina Mucklow saw D.B. Cooper remove, and place on a seat, before his leap were shown to two of Richard McCoy's relatives, seperately and without explanation. They did not know the items had been taken from the D.B. Cooper flight. His mother-in-law identified the items as belonging to McCoy without requiring a second look.

McCoy's sister-in-law, who lived with McCoy and his family, was even more insistent: "That's Richard's tie, and that's Richard McCoy's tie clasp, so what are you guys doing with them?" When told where they were found, Denise Burns broke down and cried. "Well, wherever you got it from, that's Richards! He always wore that tie clasp when he went somewhere."

The tie and tie clasp were kept secret from the public for 20 years following the D.B. Cooper incident, to weed out kooks claiming to be Cooper. When asked what they had left behind on seat 18E, not a single person managed the correct answer.

Richard McCoy's sister-in-law, Denise Burns, claimed that on one occasion he wanted her to pick him up in the middle of the Nevada desert. "I said, 'No sir, Richard. I'm not going to set out there in the middle of no place by myself and then have the police come pick me up.' This was way before the one they caught him on."

Awsi Dooger
05-13-2003, 04:04 AM
*Both skyjackers used small-aircraft FAA flight-plan forms to send typewritten instructions to the pilot's cabin designating flight path, altitude, flap settings, and speed (such as 10,000 feet, landing gear down, flaps lowered to 15 degrees).

Let me stop here for emphasis. That info was not released following the D.B. Cooper jump. And the FBI reportedly has no other record of a hijacker using such forms and being so specific, instead of merely "take me to Cuba" or "give me $200,000 in small bills." What were the odds of Richard McCoy miraculously duplicating D.B. Cooper's detailed and unique method of operation, if the skyjackers were not one in the same?

*Both men instructed that all written materials be returned.

*Both used the exact phrase "No funny stuff!" in their typewritten instructions.

*Both were obviously familiar with aviation, and correctly used the term "interphone" rather than "telephone."

*Both allowed all but one stewardess to deplane with passengers, and instructed the remaining stewardess to sit near him and deliver notes to the pilot.

*Shortly before jumping, both skyjackers ordered the remaining stewardess to turn off all cabin lights and then go forward into the pilot's cabin.

*Both instructed the fuel truck to be in the identical position, to the left of the plane's nose, in open view approximately 100 feet from the plane.

*Both wore a dark-brown business suit, white shirt, and tie.

*Both skyjackers sat in the identical place in the plane, the last row of seats in the coach section to the right side of the aisle.

*Both wore large, mirrored, dark reflector or wraparound sunglasses at least part of the time.

*Both demanded four parachutes, and made specific requests that indicated they were familiar with military chutes and how they were packed.

*Witnesses described D.B. Cooper as olive-complected, possibly Spanish, generally between 30 and 50. Approximately 5'10" and weighing 160-170 pounds. He had short black shiny hair, probably a wig, with sideburns below his earlobes and large protruding ears.

Richard McCoy was pegged at 5'10" and 170 pounds, generally in his late 20s to mid-40s. McCoy wore a dark wig, with a headband underneath to partially suppress his protruding ears. He had heavy, dark makeup and dark mascara on his long sideburns and mustache. Several witnesses thought him Spanish. (When arrested just days after the second skyjacking, McCoy was 29 yeards old, 5'10" and 170 pounds. With a receding hairline, a wiry look and some hardness to his face, McCoy appears much older -- 40ish to me -- in every picture in the book).

*Both skyjackers tried to secure the money bag to their bodies, and used the specialized term "D rings" when describing what they needed to fasten the bag.

*Both skyjackers demanded a specific flight route that paralleled a major north-south interstate freeway -- Cooper had Interstate 5 and the lights of Vancouver, Washington and Portland, Oregon to orient himself while jumping, while McCoy had Interstate 15 and the lights of Provo, Utah plus Utah Lake for bearings.

*A patched letter, using words and sentences clipped from magazines, was sent to the Los Angeles Times in December 1971, saying: "I got away with it, as I knew I would, and will never be caught by the FBI -- signed D.B. Cooper." The day the letter was postmarked in Los Angeles, Richard McCoy was there with the Utah Air National Guard unit.

*Following McCoy's arrest, the FBI found newspaper articles about Cooper in McCoy's green Volkswagen and a file of Cooper clippings in his home.

*Between November 25, 1970 and April 5, 1972, Richard McCoy had his Volkswagen serviced at Peterson Motors in Provo. Each time the vehicle was repaired or serviced, a conscientious mechanic recorded the mileage. McCoy's mileage was very consistent, averaging 33 1/2 miles per day. Only between the visits of October 30, 1971 and November 30, 1971 was there a significant increase, accounting for an additional 860 miles than would be projected. The round-trip drive from Provo to Las Vegas was approximately 820 miles. And the D.B. Cooper flight was on November 24, 1971.

*D.B. Cooper needed instructions on how to open the aft cabin door and lower the rear stairs. Four months later, Richard McCoy managed all by himself. Gee, I wonder how he knew?

Awsi Dooger
05-13-2003, 04:18 AM
The book "D.B. Cooper:The Real McCoy" also contains, on 174 and 175, the two most maddening pages I have ever encountered in literaure. While conducting a post-conviction report and sentencing recommendation, Bernie Rhodes -- the author -- interviewed Richard McCoy for the bulk of two days. After slowly confronting McCoy with the D.B. Cooper evidence the first day, causing McCoy's "complexion to turn the color of potted ham," the second day featured an edgy McCoy holding the composite sketch of D.B. Cooper and seemingly eager to fess up. McCoy flapped the composite like a wet photograph and repeatedly asked Rhodes if he wanted to discuss "that other thing."

A flippant Rhodes, admittedly intimidated by the elderly trial judge and how he might react to an unrelated confession and whether it was legally obtained, let McCoy off the hook completely, saying it was late and time to quit for the day. "You know what I think?," McCoy responded. "I think you're having a harder time, for some reason, than I am." Rhodes did not go back, and the FBI never interviewed Richard McCoy in regard to any involvement as D.B. Cooper.

During his trial, McCoy's court-appointed attorney, David K. Winder, asked McCoy if he had pulled off the Cooper skyjacking. "I don't want to talk to you about it," McCoy answered simply.

Awsi Dooger
04-25-2006, 07:37 PM
Bumping because I have to remember these specifics and refer to them from time to time when the other DB Cooper thread has a reply. Easier if this is closer to the top.

Hey, almost three years between posts. Not the middle segment.

Awsi Dooger
04-26-2006, 09:13 PM
Here's the one website that includes lengthy sections of the book, "D.B. Cooper: The Real McCoy." Unfortunately, some of the best segments regarding similarities of the two skyjackings are not included since the website focuses on the Mormon faith, and that's how the webmaster chose the sections. McCoy was a Mormon. I contacted the webmaster and he agrees with me that Cooper and McCoy were the same person.

http://www.ldsfilm.com/movies/DBCooper.html

Awsi Dooger
04-26-2006, 11:02 PM
Looks like I'm trying to break the alltime record for most consecutive posts in a thread. This makes eight. Anyway, one aspect I don't understand is how some members of the FBI claim to place McCoy on the West Coast, specifically Los Angeles, on the day of the Cooper jump. It contradicts the credit card evidence but I've seen it mentioned several times, including this link I found tonight: http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2005/12/29/villages/villages01.txt

I've used Zabasearch.com, an awesome way to locate people, to look up some of these guys from the FBI. They are retired now so maybe they'll answer my questions. If so, I'll post the info here.

Awsi Dooger
04-29-2006, 02:40 AM
No contact from the FBI guys. Predictable, I suppose.

Meanwhile, here's a good summary from one website regarding so many at the FBI, and people in general, wanting to discount McCoy as Cooper, despite how obvious it is: http://www.gasdetection.com/MDS/m032000.html

"Certainly, law enforcement had every reason at the time to disavow any connection between the crimes. Far better to label something as successful but self-destructive than publicize that it was done twice by the same perp. And, with people loving folk heroes and mythology, far better that Cooper simply never be caught.

For me, though, the similarity of the crimes, and Calame's assertions once he left the bureau, give strong credence to McCoy being Cooper, and the mystery being solved. Just don't bother telling that to the true believers."

Awsi Dooger
05-29-2006, 08:07 PM
I'm bumping this since the other Cooper thread is getting plenty of posts, and this one contains some stuff the other one doesn't

MsCooper
11-22-2006, 02:03 AM
New evidence regarding Duane L. Weber being D.B. Cooper. Skyjumping history plus recent contact with individual who has come forward with some things that should be known. Since this is a site dedicated to McCoy I will not be answering any posts, but I wanted those who have followed my search to know that with this 35 th anniversary, answers are starting to come.
Sincerely, JoWeber widow of Duane L. Weber AKA Dan Cooper.

vonmazur
08-15-2009, 05:32 PM
I have waited about 40 years for this....

McCoy was Cooper. I went to U S Army Flight School with him, Class 66-23 Graduated 14 Feb 67.

Thanksgiving of 1966, they took our mess hall for the cermonial use of the Commanding General (MG Delk M Oden) So the unmarried WOCS were farmed out to the married ones, and I ate Thanksgiving at his trailer in Level Plains AL......

Many things were discussed after eating, including, which commercial airliners one could jump out of, and not hit the tail....(Remember, they still used piston engined aircraft in those ancient times....Like the Martin 404,) the DC 9 and the Boeing 727. We also discussed whether the airline and the authorities would actually cough up the money if a highjacking was done, the majority opinion was that they would not, nor would they give a real chute....

I told the FBI in New Haven CT, when I saw the composite on the boob tube, who it was and where to find him....those morons ignored my information...

I will discuss this further if you are interested..

AWSI DOOGER, do you know how to contact the authors of the D B COOPER REAL MCCOY book??

thanks,
and, IMHO: there is no chance that Weber was D B Cooper not until someone comesup with his pilot training and such....(Yes I did see the propaganda on TV with the claims for Weber....)

Dale in Birmingham

Phanekim
08-16-2009, 11:37 AM
isn't there dna evidence on this?

Mastermind
08-16-2009, 05:57 PM
If Richard McCoy was DB Cooper, why wouldn't the FBI says so and declare this like they did with the AMERITHRAX???

Why would the FBI purposely keep this case open if given a chance to close it with an heroic FBI capture ending?

The reason is that the FBI has sufficient enough reason to believe he isn;t DB Cooper.

For all the clues that point to McCoy being Cooper, there are several that point against him being Cooper.

People are looking at the DB Cooper case the wrong way.

1. It's the money that will lead to the man. If Cooper survived that money will show up somewhere. That Is what ultimately will lead to Coopers capture. Cooper would have taken SOME of the money in order to survive and get by. He wouldn;t have destroyed or disposed of all of it.
2. if Cooper did die, then there is someone who disappeared very suddenly and


Theories : I've had about DB Cooper was
1. He might have been a part of Air America and practiced such jumps like this through DC 10s.
2. That Cooper was an MIA or wrongly labelled KIA in vietnam and possibly may have taken someones identity at some point.
3. That Cooper is not American citizen but foreign or lived abroad before the jump.




BTW, I really hope that previous poster did not contact the FBI about that....

Phanekim
08-16-2009, 07:52 PM
if i remember there was dna evidence from tie left behind. also given the weather circumstances , its highly unlikely he lived. the bills were never used.

vonmazur
08-17-2009, 06:16 PM
I saw the dna evidence on the tube recently, I was not impressed with the result or obvious contamination since then, as it was plant dna that they were tracing.

The money came out of his pockets when that military chute opened, that is why he did it again...

The FBI could not solve the unabomber...why do you think they could have figured this one out?? I do not care what they could crow about, just their flakey epistemologies....especially thier profiling....like the DC Sniper case...what more evidence of investigative idiocy do you want....I called the FBI 4 or 5 times when this happened, after the Utah HJ, then they wanted to talk about it.....

In any case, scientific parsimony rules out all the other explanations proffered above, as they require longer odds and more coincidences than this explanation.....

Dale

Mastermind
08-18-2009, 09:07 AM
The FBI could not solve the unabomber...why do you think they could have figured this one out?? I do not care what they could crow about, just their flakey epistemologies....especially thier profiling....like the DC Sniper case...what more evidence of investigative idiocy do you want....I called the FBI 4 or 5 times when this happened, after the Utah HJ, then they wanted to talk about it....


Umm, Am i missing something here?? Were not both the Unabomber and DC Sniper caught??? :confused:

If you really are contacting the FBI as many times as you say. I really think you should stop before you wind up on some "list". For all you know they may have made a file on you already.

I would strongly urge anyone to think before contacting the FBI. Remember that you are contacting a federal organization. Make sure you have something substantial to give them.

sdb4884
08-19-2009, 07:54 AM
McCoy was not Cooper, I think people are sure of that now. Weber is the most likely person to be Cooper IMO.

matty magoo
08-19-2009, 08:38 AM
I think what he meant about the Unabomber was that his brother turned him in and he wasn't caught by their investigation.

Awsi Dooger
08-30-2009, 04:50 PM
I have waited about 40 years for this....

McCoy was Cooper. I went to U S Army Flight School with him, Class 66-23 Graduated 14 Feb 67.

Thanksgiving of 1966, they took our mess hall for the cermonial use of the Commanding General (MG Delk M Oden) So the unmarried WOCS were farmed out to the married ones, and I ate Thanksgiving at his trailer in Level Plains AL......

Many things were discussed after eating, including, which commercial airliners one could jump out of, and not hit the tail....(Remember, they still used piston engined aircraft in those ancient times....Like the Martin 404,) the DC 9 and the Boeing 727. We also discussed whether the airline and the authorities would actually cough up the money if a highjacking was done, the majority opinion was that they would not, nor would they give a real chute....

I told the FBI in New Haven CT, when I saw the composite on the boob tube, who it was and where to find him....those morons ignored my information...

I will discuss this further if you are interested..

AWSI DOOGER, do you know how to contact the authors of the D B COOPER REAL MCCOY book??

Dale in Birmingham

Very interesting anecdote, Dale. Sorry for the tardy reply. I was told last night there was an interesting post here on the Cooper case, agreeing with my belief.

I spoke to Russell Calame for a half hour perhaps 3 years ago, and posted his quotes on this forum. It was an exhausting thread, 50 pages or more. I think someone intercepted it, more or less taunting Weber's widow, so the thread was locked but it might be restless in the bowels.

Russell Calame was in his mid 80s at the time, and not in good health. He would be close to 90 now. Check Zabasearch.com and look for Russell Calame in Utah. The Salt Lake City phone number was correct. He was happy to speak to me about the case. I never contacted Bernie Rhodes, the principal author.

***

Morons is an apt term, in this case. Less than two years ago, the FBI provided a new press release, supposedly excluding McCoy:

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec07/dbcooper123107.html

"Richard McCoy, who died in 1974, also didn’t match the description and was at home the day after the hijacking having Thanksgiving dinner with his family in Utah, an unlikely scenario unless he had help."

That's simply embarrassing. You wonder how much stock to put in anything the FBI says. McCoy looks remarkably like the composites. The cover of the McCoy book emphasizes the similarity. Ralph Himmelsbach, in charge of the case in the early years, has publicly tried to eliminate McCoy, asserting he was in Los Angeles at the time, on duty with the Utah National Guard. Now he's desperately placed in Utah. :lol:

I wrote to the FBI, asking about the contradictory versions over time, and how they could justify them. Naturally there was no response.

Check that marathon thread and I'm sure I posted the specifics, including McCoy confronted about his whereabouts on Thanksgiving Day. He staggered, and contradicted his relatives' version. Meanwhile, credit card and phone call records place McCoy elsewhere -- not home in Utah -- on the morning of the Cooper event, and late at night the next day. I'll let you read the thread.

In any case, scientific parsimony rules out all the other explanations proffered above, as they require longer odds and more coincidences than this explanation.....

Dale

Well said, albeit a bit P heavy.

The internet prefers tangled. I'd like to be resurrected as the wildest conspiracy theory, thriving daily with no requirements whatsoever.

mozartpc27
01-19-2010, 04:34 PM
Older thread I'm digging out, but the one question I would have would be: how did McCoy/Cooper get from somewhere over Oregon, where he jumped, back to his car in Las Vegas in ONE DAY without a car? I know hitch-hiking was more accepted then, but man... that seems a little unlikely to me.

Mastermind
01-19-2010, 04:46 PM
Older thread I'm digging out, but the one question I would have would be: how did McCoy/Cooper get from somewhere over Oregon, where he jumped, back to his car in Las Vegas in ONE DAY without a car? I know hitch-hiking was more accepted then, but man... that seems a little unlikely to me.

According to Map Quest it takes approx 16 hours to get from Portland OR to Las Vegas, NV.

Traffic is probably even less back then.

The odds are probably really good that he could find a driver going down to Las Vegas. Especially a truck driver.

I could easily see how he could make it.

vonmazur
01-19-2010, 05:29 PM
Guys: McCoy had help, I thought you all knew this. (When he pulled the rip cord, the money kept going, right thru the cheap pockets on his suit.) I surmise that he had help, as this aspect was dicussed in 1966 too. (A man on the ground with the correct lights, as used by Aviation Pathfinder Units, and something else not mentioned, the radio he had with him, and the Air Force monitoring of transmissions made during the highjacking.) McCoy was Green Beret and quite tough, and his looks and demeanor were quite deceiving......This is the main reason for second highjacking in Utah.

An FBI agent told me that due to legal errors in the original investigation, they could not question McCoy about the Cooper affair. I do not know if he was truthful on this aspect or not, I am just reporting the information.

After McCoy was killed in VA, I was visited by person who showed FBI credentials and they asked me some questions at length about this case and hinted to me that the Cooper affair was solved, but due to the above mentioned errors, they were unable to say this outright. I do not know what errors they made, but the above cited FBI link is almost totally wrong, IMHO, and typical of that agency these days....

There is more to this case than is generally known, even at this late date, and a person with military and aviation training will know exactly what I mean....like the navigation instructions given by "Cooper" to the Pilots, and other bits of evidence...

Dale in Alabama

daren1988
01-28-2010, 05:03 AM
Why does it seem like the people who keep saying Cooper and McCoy were the same person are forgetting the almost certain actual scenario, that Cooper died attempting the jump that night (although I hope he survived and got away.) Plus, McCoy himself told the guy who later implicated him, "if I were D.B. Cooper I would have asked for $500,000 instead." I highly doubt if he were Cooper, knowing he was one of the most wanted men in America, would say anything to anybody about another "possible" skyjacking attempt or to even suggest he was planning to do so. It simply doesn't make sense. Another thing, they had different eye color, which basically rules out the possibility altogether.

One last comment, there's an updated sketch of Cooper by one of the flight attendants that saw him up close. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGkhZ6D4gUY The video includes a composite of her personal sketch she had drawn for her and the old sketches from the 70's, that photo is probably the most accurate likeness of Cooper we have. Of course it looks nothing like McCoy what so ever, as anyone can tell.

leafygreens
01-28-2010, 04:33 PM
Awsi and Vonmazur make quite the compelling case, here. So what if the money was never spent? It probably fell out during the parachute escape. I'm sure it would be hard to keep it safe in a bag while hurtling through the air. There's just too many coincidences for DB to not be McCoy.

Arnold_OldSchool
02-06-2010, 07:03 PM
DB Cooper docu. just starting on national geographic channel

Mastermind
02-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Awsi and Vonmazur make quite the compelling case, here. So what if the money was never spent? It probably fell out during the parachute escape. I'm sure it would be hard to keep it safe in a bag while hurtling through the air. There's just too many coincidences for DB to not be McCoy.

1. I don;t think all of the money would have fallen out. We would have found more of it a lot earlier if that happened.

2. There really is no reason for Cooper to not spend ANY of the money. Nor does it make sense for him not to attempt to launder the money for clean bills.

brianh333
05-23-2010, 01:18 PM
This seemed to be the most recent, most active thread dedicated to the DB Cooper disappearance, so I thought I'd post it here. It's a link to a story that was posted on the DB Cooper "Group" page on Facebook.

Probably isn't going to change anything in anyone's mind, but it's still an interesting read if you are fanatical about this case.

http://www.standard.net/topics/crime/2010/05/22/db-cooper-mystery-did-witness-see-hijackers-parachute

brianh333
05-23-2010, 02:17 PM
ETA: double post