All the reasons The Bucks don't need Gary Payton.

1.The already have a point guard-Cassell

2.Gary has no ball handling skills

3.Gary has no jumpshot

Bucks made a good comeback but that tip back pass by Anthony Mason to Rodney Rogers was what lost the game.

Let me get this straight, the Bucks trade Glenn Robinson and Ray Allen and keep Tim Thomas and Anthony Mason??????

LOL@Milwaukee keeping Anthony Mason. That dude is horrible & ugly. Let me repeat that, that dude is hella ugly hahahahahahahahaha. Did his momma drop him on his face when he was a baby? Hahahahahahahahaha. I hate the way he shoots his free throws & when he hesitates, he makes players come in the lane hahahahahahahaha. Tim Thomas ain't sorry. He scored 22 points last night. He can score. His defense ain't that bad either. I saw a highlight of him blocking Yao Ming's dunk this yr LOL. I do miss Milwaukee having Glenn Robinson & Ray Allen. I love both of those guys game when they were with the Bucks. Glenn may not ever make the playoffs with Atlanta if he stays with them for the rest of his career. I feel bad for Ray going to Seattle. Seattle has a bright future but their chances of making the playoffs in the west look very slim. Gary Payton ain't hardly overrated. Dude is a superstar. He can shoot & dribble. What u talkin about he ain't got no dribbling skills? Is u crazy? Plus he can defend too. He's the best defensive point guard in the league in the top 3. Milwaukee does need a bigger guard cause Cassell is too small to play shooting guard.

In the subject line you said Gary Payton was the reason the Bucks lost, yet in your message you say Anthony Mason was the reason, so which is it? Gary certainly was not the reason the Bucks lost, I believe he was their high scorer in the game. Without Gary they probably would have lost by alot more then they did. And as far as him being overrated, that is not true either. He has an over 20 point per game career scoring average, and is also one of the leagues best assist men in the last 10 years or so. So if you look at history, he is not a sloppy ball handler. He was the back bone of the Seattle Supersonics for several years, and without him they probably would have never made it to the Finals like they did. Infact, without Payton, and with the team they had, they probably would just have been a 500 team. So, in my opinion Gary Payton is NOT overrated in the slightest.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
LOL@Milwaukee keeping Anthony Mason. That dude is horrible & ugly. Let me repeat that, that dude is hella ugly hahahahahahahahaha. Did his momma drop him on his face when he was a baby? Hahahahahahahahaha. I hate the way he shoots his free throws & when he hesitates, he makes players come in the lane hahahahahahahaha. Tim Thomas ain't sorry. He scored 22 points last night. He can score. His defense ain't that bad either. I saw a highlight of him blocking Yao Ming's dunk this yr LOL. I do miss Milwaukee having Glenn Robinson & Ray Allen. I love both of those guys game when they were with the Bucks. Glenn may not ever make the playoffs with Atlanta if he stays with them for the rest of his career. I feel bad for Ray going to Seattle. Seattle has a bright future but their chances of making the playoffs in the west look very slim. Gary Payton ain't hardly overrated. Dude is a superstar. He can shoot & dribble. What u talkin about he ain't got no dribbling skills? Is u crazy? Plus he can defend too. He's the best defensive point guard in the league in the top 3. Milwaukee does need a bigger guard cause Cassell is too small to play shooting guard.


They call Gary Payton the Glove, I call him a the Glove with holes in it-LOL

Originally posted by mdntrider7
In the subject line you said Gary Payton was the reason the Bucks lost, yet in your message you say Anthony Mason was the reason, so which is it? Gary certainly was not the reason the Bucks lost, I believe he was their high scorer in the game. Without Gary they probably would have lost by alot more then they did. And as far as him being overrated, that is not true either. He has an over 20 point per game career scoring average, and is also one of the leagues best assist men in the last 10 years or so. So if you look at history, he is not a sloppy ball handler. He was the back bone of the Seattle Supersonics for several years, and without him they probably would have never made it to the Finals like they did. Infact, without Payton, and with the team they had, they probably would just have been a 500 team. So, in my opinion Gary Payton is NOT overrated in the slightest.


Gary Payton is old and has no jumpshot and had no business shooting that 3-pointer with 2 seconds left, THE END.

Originally posted by SOLOMON



Gary Payton is old and has no jumpshot and had no business shooting that 3-pointer with 2 seconds left, THE END.


Well it may be the end in your eyes, but not in mine. I am from the Pacific Northwest, and have seen many Supersonics games. So believe me, with all the games Iv'e seen Payton in, as a fan of his I know what I'm talking about. I have seen Gary in the situation he was in the other night in Seattle many times, and more than not, he would make the final shot. He had about three or four guys with their hands in his face, and he still almost made the basket. It takes more then one barely missed buzzer beater for me to write him off. I say keep shooting Gary, you're bound to make the big shot next time.

Some stuff i agree with Solomon about but a lot of times he just makes stupid comments. How can u call Payton a glove with the holes in it? This dude has done so much for Seattle & he's playing well with Milwaukee. What in the hell are u dissing him for? I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but u can't diss Payton. Like i said, the dude is a star & he's in the top 3 for best defensive point guards in the league. He's only 34 yrs old, that ain't that old. Solomon are u even good at basketball? As much trash as u talk about players, i would like to see u get on the court & do what they do. U got the nerve to be dissing Jordan too. I didn't wanna see him come back for a 3rd time either just like u but the man is still a legend & he's the greatest NBA player of all time to me.

Originally posted by mdntrider7


Well it may be the end in your eyes, but not in mine. I am from the Pacific Northwest, and have seen many Supersonics games. So believe me, with all the games Iv'e seen Payton in, as a fan of his I know what I'm talking about. I have seen Gary in the situation he was in the other night in Seattle many times, and more than not, he would make the final shot. He had about three or four guys with their hands in his face, and he still almost made the basket. It takes more then one barely missed buzzer beater for me to write him off. I say keep shooting Gary, you're bound to make the big shot next time.


I just think Gary doesn't fit on that Bucks team because the Bucks already had a point guard-Cassell. I don't think Payton and Cassell should be on the floor at the same time.

Well the Bucks won last night so now u can shut the hell up about Payton Solomon. He had 20 points & 14 assists yesterday. Toni Kukoc led Milwaukee with 23 points, Sam Cassell had 21 points, Tim Thomas had 20 points. Milwaukee won 119-114 in overtime. Kenyon Martin had 30 points & Richard Jefferson had 28 points. Kenyon & Richard both choked at the free throw line last night. They could've won the game if it wasn't for the free throws they missed. At one point Kenyon missed 3 straight free throws LOL. He's a terrible foul shooter anyway. Why is Dikembe Mutombo hurt again? He didn't play last night.

I saw Sam Cassell & Kerry Kittles get into a squabble yesterday. Cassell bumped into Kittles & Kittles pushed him a little bit & Cassell went backpedaling hahahahahahahaha. Cassell was doing some acting there. Kittles barely pushed him.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
Well the Bucks won last night so now u can shut the hell up about Payton Solomon. He had 20 points & 14 assists yesterday. Toni Kukoc led Milwaukee with 23 points, Sam Cassell had 21 points, Tim Thomas had 20 points. Milwaukee won 119-114 in overtime. Kenyon Martin had 30 points & Richard Jefferson had 28 points. Kenyon & Richard both choked at the free throw line last night. They could've won the game if it wasn't for the free throws they missed. At one point Kenyon missed 3 straight free throws LOL. He's a terrible foul shooter anyway. Why is Dikembe Mutombo hurt again? He didn't play last night.

It was nothing that payton did to me, the big shots that won the game for Milwaukee was Kukoc, Thomas, and Redd. I'm Glad payton decided not to take any big shots in overtime-LOL Mutumbo is not hurt Byron Scott just feels that he productive enough to be on the floor. So that's why the camera keeps showing his face because he has stated publicly that he wants to play and is very upset with Scott's decision to leave him on the bench.

U mean Byron Scott feels Mutombo isn't productive enough to be on the floor? Mutombo wasn't doing nothing the first 2 games anyway LOL.

Originally posted by SOLOMON


It was nothing that payton did to me, the big shots that won the game for Milwaukee was Kukoc, Thomas, and Redd. I'm Glad payton decided not to take any big shots in overtime-LOL Mutumbo is not hurt Byron Scott just feels that he productive enough to be on the floor. So that's why the camera keeps showing his face because he has stated publicly that he wants to play and is very upset with Scott's decision to leave him on the bench.

How can you say that the Bucks win had nothing to do with Payton? Since when is 20 points, and 14 assists nothing? Last night not only did he prove that he is a great player, but that he is not a sloppy ball handler as well. He may not have made any of the big shots down the stretch, but take away Payton's 20 points and 14 assists and do you actually think the Bucks would have won? The answer to that question is a resounding NO!!! Payton was a HUGE factor in the Bucks win!!! You definitely have the right to your opinion, I realize that, but MAN, some of your opinions are weird to say the least.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
U mean Byron Scott feels Mutombo isn't productive enough to be on the floor? Mutombo wasn't doing nothing the first 2 games anyway LOL.


Yeah Scott felt Mutumbo is not producing enough to get playng time.

Originally posted by mdntrider7


How can you say that the Bucks win had nothing to do with Payton? Since when is 20 points, and 14 assists nothing? Last night not only did he prove that he is a great player, but that he is not a sloppy ball handler as well. He may not have made any of the big shots down the stretch, but take away Payton's 20 points and 14 assists and do you actually think the Bucks would have won? The answer to that question is a resounding NO!!! Payton was a HUGE factor in the Bucks win!!! You definitely have the right to your opinion, I realize that, but MAN, some of your opinions are weird to say the least.



Gary is more effective when driving to the basket not shooting jumpshots-THE END!!!!!!!!!

In my last message I responded to you saying that the Bucks last win had nothing to do with Payton, not whether or not he is a good jump shooter. I do believe Payton is a pretty good jump shooter, but that wasn't the issue. The issue is whether or not Payton had a large part to do with the Bucks last win, and the answer to that question is yes.

Originally posted by mdntrider7
In my last message I responded to you saying that the Bucks last win had nothing to do with Payton, not whether or not he is a good jump shooter. I do believe Payton is a pretty good jump shooter, but that wasn't the issue. The issue is whether or not Payton had a large part to do with the Bucks last win, and the answer to that question is yes.


Yeah Payton contributed to the win last night but he still not a 4th quarter scoring option.

The whole trade was a waste...Gary Payton taught nothing to the younger players like he was supposed to, unless you count how he showed how easy it is to scamper off to a team destined for a Championship. A real player would stay where he is and help that team win a championship for the fans. What he did was very selfish, in my opinion. Meanwhile, the entire situation should never have taken place because Ray Allen should still be a Buck. He was traded basically because Karl had issues with him. Now Karl is gone. And we can't get Ray back. Sure he wasn't a great defender, but he was a superstar and with him still on the team, the Bucks could probably reach the playoffs, maybe even win a series. :happyface

I agree Gary is selfish. He could've stayed with Milwaukee. I think the trade was a waste cause now Milwaukee got nothin out of it. Desmond Mason is the only one left from the trade. I think Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson, Vin Baker should all still be with Milwaukee & i think George Karl should still be the coach. Terry Porter is the new coach so we'll see how he does.