Did anyone else notice a line that was taken out of the "Lucy Does the Tango" episode? When Lucy gets a phone call from Betty Ramsey, who tells Lucy that her little Bruce's Room is full of the Ricardo's chickens, Lucy asks little Ricky a question...watch...

Ricky: Why would they (the chickens) be over there?

Lucy: I don't know, but I have a sneaking suspision, Little Ricky!!!

Little Ricky: Yeah mommy.

Lucy: Did you hide our chickens dear?

Little Ricky: Will I get a spanking Daddy?

Ricky: No son, not if you tell us the truth.

Little Ricky: Bruce and I hid them.

Lucy: Why did you and Bruce hide them?

Little Ricky: Cause I didn't want you to give them away.

Now that line didn't last long. Why did they cut out that measley little line out of the Nick at Nite/TVLAND episodes? There are some other unimportant parts that really didn't have too much to do with the story. In fact in the severely edited episodes, aired by my local station, that line with the spanking is in there. Is it because of the fact that the right thing to do is being taken out of pop culture? It is like that gentleman on this message board who had the problem of finding the Munsters episode where Herman teaches Eddie to defend himself against bullies. I heard that it "Promotes" violence. I don't buy that hokum for a second. Even in Norman Lear's programs, Maude and Anne Romano (One Day at a Time) enforced spanking.

PUH-LEEZE! Just a few weeks ago, the episode of "The Lucy Show" aired in Canada. It was "Lucy and Viv Take Up Judo." In THIS episode Lucy Carmichael teaches her son to defend himself against Vivian's son and Jerry Carmichel gives Sherman Bagley a black eye. They didn't have any problem with this.

If that's their logic, then why do they leave the scenes where Ricky spanks Lucy in? I'd think that was worse.

I think Ricky was goofing around with Lucy when he spanked her. I just wanted to point out why Nick at Nite would edit that line and a local station air the line. Also the one who mentioned about the Lucy show should know that it was on a local station. You see someone on the Munster's board left the message that TVLAND didn't air the episode where Herman taught Eddie how to defend himself. My local station however has aired that episode. What's the point of this you may ask? The point is, is that local stations only show everything in their area, networks like TVLAND reach parts in the whole nation. TVLAND is a network that dispenses reruns, but gets to more of society.

Originally posted by dawsongirl:
If that's their logic, then why do they leave the scenes where Ricky spanks Lucy in? I'd think that was worse.

Or scenes where Lucy is about to belt Ricky (or actually does whack him)?

It might be because of all the child abuse problems today that this line is deleted from the cut versions. But really, it was the time period....I bet that LOTS of kids got a whack on the behind back then for misbehaving. I think things like that make I Love Lucy nostalgic!

Very inconsistent. Every ep I have seen, on local stations or Nick or TV Land, they include the chocolate dipper hitting Lucy back with chocolate on her hand, the fight in the wine vat, Lucy kicking Ricky in 'bullfight,' Ricky saying his father caught him gambling and he was "couldn't sit down for a week," Ethel bopping Fred in the face with the flower box....

ILL was not 'politically correct,' (thankfully) but really I have heard few complaints from pressure groups to edit certain scenes or shots. But they would be there for any show made today... a man spanking his wife, mocking Ricky's accent, stereotyping about "Latin temper," the wives always letting their husbands have the final say about money... a new show would be villified for presenting these things. But I read that even Lucie and the rest of the family wanted to cut out the scenes that show them smoking. Animal rights groups would probably comdemn a scene today which shows baby chicks packed into small boxes.

That is a good point from the person who left the message above this one. One thing is for sure and that is the shows that are don't worry about Political correctness, are the ones that last the longest (ex: Married..With Children, All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Simpsons, Sanford and Son, etc.) I mean the most controverisal show on TV that goes beyond political in-correctness is "Family Guy" (See my listing for that). This show mocks everything from race, sex, to undisciplined children that want to murder their mom, and another kid whose got a bigger weiner than his dad and the dad is jealous. These shows are wickedly funny, as is the Simpsons, so I think that I Love Lucy should be well left alone. Also, someone wrote about Lucie Arnaz wanting to edit out her mom and dad smoking cigarettes. How can they do that? Some of Lucy's biggest schemes were cooked up while she was having a few puffs as well as Ricky. "Political correctness" has no place on TV in most cases, especially since the shows are so booring, they don't appeal to the blue collar audience........Just the ones who get too easily offended.

Originally posted by dawsongirl
If that's their logic, then why do they leave the scenes where Ricky spanks Lucy in? I'd think that was worse. Hey Splain, I think Dawsongirl is the guilty one!:lol:

I don't know why they would take out the spanking lines, because on Andy Griffith, he talks alot about spanking, and I think maybe even showed Opie getting a spanking! Sooo...

I'm glad I got the full version of that episode! It was interesting seeing Little Ricky getting in trouble for the first time! :lol:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
I'm glad I got the full version of that episode! It was interesting seeing Little Ricky getting in trouble for the first time! :lol:

Yeah. Little Ricky was always so well behaved. :lol:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
I don't know why they would take out the spanking lines, because on Andy Griffith, he talks alot about spanking, and I think maybe even showed Opie getting a spanking! Sooo...

I'm glad I got the full version of that episode! It was interesting seeing Little Ricky getting in trouble for the first time! :lol:

Yeah, I was watching Andy Griffith just a couple days ago and Opie was going to get a spanking for "lying". I don't think that's controversial at all.

Will somebody please get this political correctness business off our backs so comedy shows can be funny again? Although i understand where someone heavy would not like to see people making fun of fat people or anything of that nature.

The removal of the line MIGHT not have anything to with its content. Networks delete random lines for commercial time. Many other lines have been deleted that are not controversial at all just so more advertisements can be crammed in.

Originally posted by Lodee
Hey Splain, I think Dawsongirl is the guilty one!:lol:

Guilty of what? :confused:

Guilty of what? :confused:

Being the one who first raised the spanking issue. Our favourite bug bear! :)

Originally posted by Mickey
Being the one who first raised the spanking issue. Our favourite bug bear! :)

:lol: Okay.

It's amazing how a little mention of a spanking would be deleted while half the smut on tv today is allowed.
I might add there is a big difference between a swat on the butt and beating the crap out of a child.
As far as Lucie wanting to delete the smoking, I heard her on Geraldo once and it was b/c her parent's illnesses were smoking related,and she made the remark she wished she could remove the smoking from the show. Maybe her parents wouldn't have become so addicted to smoking. Because they had to have x amount of time on screen smoking.

They smoked on the screen because Phillip Morris was the one giving the promotion and the $$ to do the shows. They didn't thought about the consequences that this may have caused later in life. That doesnt mean that if so and so gave me a million dollars I was gonna jump of the first bridge

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
They smoked on the screen because Phillip Morris was the one giving the promotion and the $$ to do the shows. They didn't thought about the consequences that this may have caused later in life. That doesnt mean that if so and so gave me a million dollars I was gonna jump of the first bridge ack then it was really common to smoke on TV, so it wasn't just because they were sponsored by Phillip Morris. And DESIlover, how high is that bridge, because for a million dollars I'd jump off a low one!:lol:

Originally posted by dawsongirl
Guilty of what? :confused: Sorry Dawsongirl. I guess I should have explained my post better. Thanks for explaining it Mickey. :)

Smoking was something common on tv but being pregnant wasn't . Both are everyday things and taken into two different perspectives

Did I miss something?:confused:

I dun't think ya did. I was just making a comparison about all the trouble that it was Lucy's pregnancy compared to smoking. Both are very common but the latter wasnt as controversial as Lucy being pregnant

Originally posted by ricardo/mertz
As far as Lucie wanting to delete the smoking, I heard her on Geraldo once and it was b/c her parent's illnesses were smoking related,and she made the remark she wished she could remove the smoking from the show.

I can understand that, given that you could argue smoking killed both of them. There's a line in the Bob Hope episode of ILL where Lucy swallows a piece of chewing tobacco, and jokes about having a lump in her stomach, which really makes me wince!

And yes DESIlover, fair point. Nobody thought twice about them smoking in the show back then (although I know that it was only ten years later, in the sixties, that rules were tightened for cigarette advertising on British TV because of growing health worries) - but they weren't allowed to say the word 'pregnant' on the show. How daft is that! I mean, how did we all get into this world for goodness sakes?!

I can't see any reason why they would cut a line about smacking a child; I think the suggestion that it was only coincidence, and the line was probably cut merely for time, is probably right. Somebody probably thought it was the line of least consequence so far as plot was concerned; or maybe it was just the easiest one to take out. The show was made in the fifties, after all, and regardless of modern attitudes to smacking, and modern hysteria about any suggestion of nastinesses involving children, you have to consider that it's merely a sign of the times - like Ricky controlling all the money, and expecting Lucy to get his breakfast for him. You can't rewrite cultural history!

Originally posted by Mickey


I can't see any reason why they would cut a line about smacking a child; I think the suggestion that it was only coincidence, and the line was probably cut merely for time, is probably right. Somebody probably thought it was the line of least consequence so far as plot was concerned; or maybe it was just the easiest one to take out. The show was made in the fifties, after all, and regardless of modern attitudes to smacking, and modern hysteria about any suggestion of nastinesses involving children, you have to consider that it's merely a sign of the times - like Ricky controlling all the money, and expecting Lucy to get his breakfast for him. You can't rewrite cultural history!


Well put Mickey!;)

Yep Mickey is always good at posts when he doesn't Lucy bash! LOL! How about the thing Mickey where it's still ok to show the worst violence in films today but not so much sexual scenes, or nudity.

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
I dun't think ya did. I was just making a comparison about all the trouble that it was Lucy's pregnancy compared to smoking. Both are very common but the latter wasnt as controversial as Lucy being pregnant Okay, I get ya now. ;)

Millions of people who lost loved ones to smoking related cancers might disagree with you. But early on, it wasn't a well known fact, but look, teenage girls are the biggest smokers today, you'd think our better educated and all knowing society would have changed for the better, but the tobacco industry is still killing people left and right, 50 years later.

I think she meant not as controversial at the time. Now it's reversed, isn't it? pregnancy is alright but smokings not.

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Millions of people who lost loved ones to smoking related cancers might disagree with you. But early on, it wasn't a well known fact, but look, teenage girls are the biggest smokers today, you'd think our better educated and all knowing society would have changed for the better, but the tobacco industry is still killing people left and right, 50 years later.

They are the biggest smokers and the ones that get pregnant the most too:(

Oooooooooooooh, good one, never even thought about that!

IT makes you realize this things when you are the mother of two daughters that HOPeFULLY won't fall into those things too soon and you struggle to raise them properly

People smoke in the bathrooms at my school, and it's gross. The moniters catch them most of the time though, and most of the kids smoke after school. It's sad though, because since we were little in school they've told us not to smoke, not to do drugs, always be careful etc, and people throw all of that away now just to fit in and feel "accepted." :(

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
IT makes you realize this things when you are the mother of two daughters that HOPeFULLY won't fall into those things too soon and you struggle to raise them properly My parents raised me properly and I still smoked! I knew all the facts but did it anyway. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SPLAIN
How about the thing Mickey where it's still ok to show the worst violence in films today but not so much sexual scenes, or nudity.

Well... I have no idea why film makers are being warned off nudity all of a sudden (less so over here). We all see naked bodies, or bits of naked bodies, during the course of the day for goodness sakes, even if they are just our own! It's silly to hide them. Sex yes - it's boring to watch for one thing. Not a spectator sport! :) But violence I have no problem with. Not when it's fictitious. I don't like the way the real thing gets broadcast. How many times now have we seen JFK's brains get blown out of his head? If I had kids I wouldn't want them watching that. Or the planes crashing into the World Trade Centre. That's real stuff, and should be limited. But fictitious violence can be fun and exhilarating, and I'd rather they showed that than sex all over the place.

As for tobacco though - if you've been affected by it I can understand wanting it not to be shown. Poor old Roy Castle, bless him, campaigned to keep cigarettes off the television, and I didn't disagree with that - but I've never believed that showing people smoking makes people smoke. Kids don't take up smoking because somebody they look up to smokes. I can't think of anybody I look up to more than Freddie Mercury, and I rarely saw him without a cigarette. But how many Queen fans smoke?!

Originally posted by LODEE
My parents raised me properly and I still smoked! I knew all the facts but did it anyway.

Exactly. You're either gonna do it or you're not. Cigarette companies ply their trade mostly now in third world countries. They know we're wise to them in the West. It's others that they're poisoning now, so images on TV are mostly irrelevant. Over here we have ads made by people in the last days of their lives, dying from smoking related illnesses, who talk of their bitterness about ever smoking, the pain they live with daily, etc - then a banner usually says "Mary (or whoever) died two days after making this film". But it doesn't work. There's always the attitude of "It won't happen to me." Like the idiots who still don't bother using condoms when they sleep around.

I disagree there, the kids smoke because it's the IN thing to do, it was that way in the fifties and is still that way today, for the kids in school i mean! And as for the world trade center, why is it that Europe showed the people jumping but the US could NOT?

I don't know. When it was happening, and the cameras were on, it was understandable that some of it was shown. They didn't know it was going to happen, so they couldn't very well turn away. But later on it all got shown far too much. Maybe there was a feeling that in Europe there'd be less chance of people having an emotional attachment?

I guess I like to credit kids with some sense, Splain - and believe that they're not going to smoke just 'cause they see somebody else doing it. Is it 'in' - or is it just something that people have always done? Kids smoke because other kids in school smoke, maybe, but I don't know that TV has a lot to do with it these days. Of course I can only speak from personal experience!

Oh you're right about that, so little smoking nowadays and an actor gets criticized if they do it in a film, but they want it to look real, so they do. Peer pressure is the culprit.

I think it's peer pressure. Hopefully the kids today won't think it's cool by the time they're teenagers, but who knows.:(

Originally posted by Lodee
I think it's peer pressure. Hopefully the kids today won't think it's cool by the time they're teenagers, but who knows.:(

I'm a teenager and I don't think smoking's cool. ;)

I don't agree w/ the peer pressure thing. I think smoking is appealing to some and not to others. I don't know what makes it so interesting. Maybe feeling like a rebel. Going against the grain?
It has nothing to do w/ how you are raised. I know some real good people who have children who smoke. It's just a choice some decide to make.jmo

I restpectfully disagree, a kid wants to join the group and picks up the nasty habit to BELONG, it's been that way for decades, it was that way when i was in school and is still that way today according to what kids tell me. I find it heartening though that someone like Lucie or Desi jr would NOT smoke, maybe because of the smell, hearing their parents coughing or whatever, good for them. I also never picked the habit up from my dad, it looked like a crutch more than a stress reliever, and it just never appealed to me. One salesman i know was spending 200 bucks a month on ciggies and his wife another 200, you see here in Canada they raised the prices like crazy in an effort to discourage people from smoking. They both finally stopped and paid off their house ten years faster then scheduled! LOL!

They're like four something a pack here. That's bad enough. I used to love smoking. I still like how it smells.

I'm a teenager and I don't think smoking's cool. Good for you! Maybe things are starting to change.:)

Well, i understand the attraction, i LOVED those Cuban cigars, the smell was terrific and the taste and relaxation while we did it at work, Fridays after a long week, but the headaches the next day and the smell for other people who did not smoke, not to mention the cost, just wasn't worth it! I remember a show called The Nationsl Smoking Test when i was a teen and they found out most people smoked because they were nervous and needed something to play with in their hands, yep, that sounds like Lucy all right!

Desi had OTHER ways of relieving stress, LOL!

he had a cigarette in his hands all the time. Proably even then.;)

Which reminds me of the story, hope this does not get me banned. The guy asked the girl if she smoked after sex, she said she didn't know, she never looked!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Which reminds me of the story, hope this does not get me banned. The guy asked the girl if she smoked after sex, she said she didn't know, she never looked!

:lol: :lol: :rofl:

Aw Splain, that's terrible! It's as bad as the joke about sex on TV being terrible, because you keep on falling off!

Although I have actually used that line before... :)

Thanks Mickey, a year from now i'll be telling that story. How's it go again, sex on TV is terrible because you keep falling off, i have a giant screen, you must be doing it on a portable, whatever you do, watch the antenna!:lol:

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Which reminds me of the story, hope this does not get me banned. The guy asked the girl if she smoked after sex, she said she didn't know, she never looked!

LOL! :rotflmao: I had to read that a couple of times before I got it, just to show you my mind isn't perveted! lol! :lol:

Well, it's a very old joke. Here's a clean one from the Night of 100 stars that Lucy starred in! Henny Youngman telling it. He says these two Jewish women are talking and one says to the other, DO YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN POLAND? The other one answers, I LIVE IN THE BACK, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING!

Dang Splain they actually paid their house off ten years early just by quitting smoking? That is awesome!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
How's it go again, sex on TV is terrible because you keep falling off, i have a giant screen, you must be doing it on a portable, whatever you do, watch the antenna!

It's a Monty Python line originally, from one of the Vox Pops segments. Michael Palin dressed as an older lady (I think), and the exact quote is: "Well I object to all this sex on television. I mean, I keep on falling off."

And yes, it does depend on the television. Lucky I never tried it at college, when I only had a 5 inch portable! ;)

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Well, it's a very old joke. Here's a clean one from the Night of 100 stars that Lucy starred in! Henny Youngman telling it. He says these two Jewish women are talking and one says to the other, DO YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN POLAND? The other one answers, I LIVE IN THE BACK, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING! No offense but that joke sucks.:happyface :rolleyes:

What do you want, that's a fifty year old joke from an ancient comedian whose material got laughs out of habit and the way he told them rather than the actual jokes being funny. Here's another one you might not like from the same routine. Henny says his wife wanted to go somewhere she had never been as her birthday gift, he said, WHY DON'T YOU TRY THE KITCHEN? He says his wife makes food fit for a KIng, and then gesturing to a small dog goes HERE KING, HERE KING! Ok, last one from the same routine. He goes to the airport and as he gives his luggage, says i want this piece to go to Chicago, this one to Dallas and this one to Denver. The clerk says WE CAN'T DO THAT! He says, why not, YOU DID IT LAST MONTH!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
What do you want, that's a fifty year old joke from an ancient comedian whose material got laughs out of habit and the way he told them rather than the actual jokes being funny. Here's another one you might not like from the same routine. Henny says his wife wanted to go somewhere she had never been as her birthday gift, he said, WHY DON'T YOU TRY THE KITCHEN? He says his wife makes food fit for a KIng, and then gesturing to a small dog goes HERE KING, HERE KING! Ok, last one from the same routine. He goes to the airport and as he gives his luggage, says i want this piece to go to Chicago, this one to Dallas and this one to Denver. The clerk says WE CAN'T DO THAT! He says, why not, YOU DID IT LAST MONTH!


:lol: I like them Claude

Yeah, now those are funny. Here's my Ellen Degeneres joke.

My turtle ran away last week. He's almost to the door! :lol:

Yes, that one IS funny! And we're still on topic, Lucy was at that same Night of 100 stars as Henny, and Ellen was always compared to Lucy when she started her series!

Well see, I didn't know that.;) Ellen's humour is so much drier.

Every popular comic female who's been popular in the last thirty years has eventually been compared to Lucy. You see, who knew that Ellen's forte would be to host a talk show, instead of that horrible comedy series she used to do! Here she gets to ad libe which she's so great at, and she's fun and sincere and glib and funnier than her writers ever let her be on her old show!

I was watching a show on Reba Mc Entire yesterday and the guy that plays her hubby compared her humor and comedic skills to those of Lucille Ball's:eek: How he dare? lol

I LOVE Reba, i never thought she'd be that good at acting in a comedy series, i'm not that thrilled with the show, but she's terrific! Very natural and real!

I loved Ellens comedy series. :D Geez Splain, you're so opinionated about everything!! ;) You're making me crazy.:crazy:

Relax, i thought the show was ok, and some of the co stars were terrific, wasn't Joely Fisher one of the 19 kids at Lucy's Oscar number? And Jeremy Pivin, i've always liked, i just meant she was better than the material they gave her, and they did cancel it, so i guess it wasn't that great! Or do you mean the revamped version with Cloris Leachman, well if you do, that stank too, LOL! Although i LOVE Cloris!

If we all made these nice cutesy comments all the time, it would get boring really fast! What's wrong with stating opinions, you know very well Laura that i back off if someone proves me wrong. Although i DID have Michael Jackson's number right, didn't I?:lol:

I loved the one with Cloris Leachman too! Although I hated the Cloris Leachman spinoff from Mary Tyler Moore. :lol:

Is that controversial? Since when? :lol:

Although i DID have Michael Jackson's number right, didn't I?

Not sure I want to ask what you're getting at there, Splain! The poor guy's screwy as hell, but he'd never intentionally hurt any kid.

Ellen didn't do terribly well over here. I seem to remember them trying to bill it as some kind of female Frasier, which is a little weird.

Sorry Mickey, if you don't think molesting kids is hurtful, i'm here to tell you IT IS! And although i admire his talent as a singer performer, this business where rich people can always break the law and get away with it bothers me. Although i understand if his own father hadn't abused him, maybe none of this would have happened!

Nobody's saying that molesting kids isn't hurtful, but I don't think Jacko has done that. He does things that can easily be misconstrued, yes - and he definitely does need some kind of help. He's an innocent man though, and I mean that in the purest sense. He is very innocent. He's a child himself.

But you're right about rich people breaking the law. We see it happening all the time, and they get away with it. I'd doubt that Jacko would have that kind of clout though. It tends to be old money that gets away with that kind of thing.

Did you forget that he got away with it in '93 by paying off the parents to the tune of 15 to 20 million, but he's hard up for cash nowadays, so it will be different this time. Besides, i hear he's thinking of giving himself up as long as they let him serve his sentence in a juvenile center, LOL!

I haven't forgotten anything. It's since been proved that the incident back in '93 was all a fabrication, and if he and his advisors hadn't panicked and paid the kid (or more properly his family) off, that would all have been openly proved in court, for all the world to see.

I'm not a Jacko fan; not by a long shot. I do trust him though. He'd never hurt anyone.

I'm also saying that he would not INTENTIONALY hurt a kid, but that 45 year old is wacko because of his dad and working and supporting his entire family his whole life, two fake marrriages so he could get his hands on kids that would NEVER sue, it's tragic actually, but it has to stop. What OTHER 45 year old man do you know who has young boys sleeping in his bed? I just think he should get help and then get his career back on track. Also, the media is responsable because they nauseate us with his every move, i wish i could never see or hear from him again, but i do admire his talent and hope everything works out for him, and with RICH people, things usually work out anyway, they can get away with murder like OJ or fraud like Martha, or most things us mere mortals can't!

Did OJ get away with murder because he was rich? 'Cause it's not like he was famous or anything; not really. I'd say Robert Blake was much more famous than OJ Simpson, and it doesn't look like he's getting away with anything. Or Phil Spector. OJ's trial should never have been continued. They should have declared a mistrial from the beginning, and then tried him again out of the media spotlight. Nobody was going to find him guilty knowing that the Press might well publicise their names as members of the jury. It's insane trying to have that public a trial. How they would ever manage with Jacko is beyond me. There'll be people crawling out of the woodwork making up stories left, right and centre. The Press with their own version of things. They'll never be able to find 12 people to make up that jury unless they choose them from the rainforest in the middle of New Guinea.

:crazy:

Did OJ get away with murder because he was rich? 'Cause it's not like he was famous or anything; not really. I'd say Robert Blake was much more famous than OJ Simpson, OJ was a well respected sports figure and very famous here in the US, more so than Robert Blake. It was a really big deal when he was in that Bronco. It was on every channel. The sad thing now is that most of the kids under 12 don't remember him for anything else but being an accused murderer.

True, Blake was a forgotten man, OJ much less so. I meant he was rich enough to afford the best lawyers who got him off, a poor black man never would have gotten off.

Hey, that glove did NOT fit! What are ya gonna do?:lol:

Did they ever check the blood in his car with that DNA business they usually do? You know the car he was using to flee the country . . .

Flee the country............yeah I heard he was heading straight to Canada!

Actually, it was Mexico i think!

No, that would be the logical choice. All the really big ones head to Canada. some of them pass right through my town on the way.;) Unfortunately, the Bronco didn't make it this far. I had my sign all ready too. :(

Was he really that famous? I know he was a basketball player and all, but not everybody is a sports fan. He'd done Police Squad, but everybody seemed to just know him as the tall bloke. He certainly wasn't internationally famous. They tried him in the civil courts in the end didn't they, and found him guilty then? That was all so bizarre anyway. Televising the trial for goodness sakes. :(

He was a football star and he did Hertz rental car commercials where he ran through airports. I think people were more amazed that he would do something like that because he had such a positive image. And I think maye Americans idolize their sports figures more too maybe.:) It was a really BIG deal over here when it happened.:eek: (and I think you're right about him being charged in civil court and being found guilty.)

Yes, but that's little comfort to HER parents, they got to seize his property so he sold and gave it away before they could get to it, typical. Besides, he had to be famous to have appeared as a guest on an ep of Here's Lucy, Lodee's right about his rep, he's the last person you would think could murder his wife, well, maybe not the last person. . .

Besides, he had to be famous to have appeared as a guest on an ep of Here's Lucy :lol: That's true:lol:

Yeah Lucy worked with Phil Spector on Lucy in London and O J on Here's Lucy, and she appeared with Robert Blake and must have done something with Michael Jackson at some point.

Now there's a new trivia game. We could try to connect her to famous killers!:eek:

Perhaps that should read famous alleged killers! :lol:

Several Mafia men, apparently - or was that just Desi? :)

LOL! Johnny DeVita's father (and possibly Johnny?) were associated with the mafia too, I think.

She also dated George Raft and was friends with Sinatra, can't get closer than that!:lol:

Well now technically you could. You could marry a mobster or actually be a mobster yourself.:)

Well, now that you mention it, i have made people offers they can't refuse!

I get closer than that! You should see some of the photographs of my Italian cousins... ;) One of them is even holding a violin case in one of the pictures! :) Of course it's possible he just plays the violin I suppose... :lol:

I live and work in an Italian neighborhood. For thirty years or more. We have had a woam who killed her hubby for pulling a Clinton with his secretary and the body was in a trunk of a car parked next to our office kitchen. AND we had a neighbor who decided to pave over our lot in the back of our company without asking because he needed parking space. When my boss went to complain, we feared he would come back minus a leg.

A game of Organised Crime oneupmanship!

Who can trump Splain then?!








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