View Full Version : New York smoking ban - I wish other cities and states would follow suit.


AKA
03-29-2003, 09:36 PM
New York City Ushers in Smoke-Free Era

By Timothy Williams
The Associated Press

NEW YORK - In a smoke-choked Manhattan tavern, Cynthia Candiotti asked a neighbor for a light and took a deep drag on her cigarette, savoring a last barstool puff before the city outlawed smoking in bars and nightclubs.

For Candiotti, 26, the ban is a double whammy: "I can't tell you how many dates with cute guys I've gotten by looking into his eyes while he lights me up. That's as good as smoking."

With fear, loathing and lament, the city of Frank Sinatra, Humphrey Bogart and Philip Morris USA was ushering in the smoke-free age Sunday, one tick after midnight.

Goodbye to the cloying smell of cloves. The wispy white rings that settle into a layer of haze at bars, pubs and nightclubs. The smoker's hack and smelly clothes after a night out, whether you smoked or not. The phone number written on a matchbook cover.

"First they cleaned up Times Square, then they said you couldn't dance in bars or drink a beer in the park. Now you can't even smoke when you go out on the town," said Willie Martinez, 37, who sat, chain-smoking, in an East Village bar. "This is like no-fun city."

"There's one word for this: Ridiculous. Stalinesque. Brutal," interrupted Elliot Kovner, 48, as he added a few choice vulgarities.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a former smoker himself, pushed through the ban with a zeal that angered smokers and even some nonsmokers. He stood firm even when an incensed smoker wearing a Superman suit showed up at City Hall carrying a 12-foot-long ersatz cigarette and a sign threatening him.

Health issues are a priority for Bloomberg, a billionaire who once donated $100 million to Johns Hopkins University.

"Fundamentally, people just don't want the guy next to them smoking," Bloomberg said. "People will adjust very quickly and a lot of lives will be saved."

The ban covers all workplaces, including bars, small restaurants, bingo parlors and other venues not covered by the city's previous smoking law. Owners of establishments could be fined $400 for allowing smoking and eventually could have their business licenses suspended.

A state anti-smoking law passed Wednesday is even tougher, closing a city loophole that granted an exemption for businesses that provide enclosed smoking rooms. That law takes effect this summer.

The bans have led to fears that bars will go out of business and rumors that secret "smoke-easies" will pop up — but of course, New Yorkers can be given to exaggeration.

Proprietors in California complained when a similar rule was enacted four years ago, but business did not drop significantly and polls showed most patrons backed the ban.

About 400 communities nationwide have adopted smoking bans in restaurants, according to the American Nonsmokers' Rights Foundation.

But none has New York's history of smoking, from the smoke-filled back rooms of Tammany Hall and the old neon cigarette signs of Times Square to the "loosie" — a single cigarette sold in bodegas for as much as $1 to customers who can't afford a $7 pack. (City and state taxes have lifted cigarette prices to among the nation's highest.)

Until the 1920s, 30 percent of all cigarettes produced in North America were manufactured in the New York metropolitan area.

Philip Morris, long headquartered in midtown Manhattan, announced a few days after the city ban was approved that it would move to Virginia by 2004. Economic reasons, the company said.

Smoking, ban opponents say, is part of the city's in-your-face, adrenaline-fueled culture.

"A ban might work in California," said Eddie Dean, who owns a club called Discotheque and a bar called Tiki Lounge. "New Yorkers are defined as a different kind of person. It's a gruffer place. It's less healthy. People are a little more aggressive. I just can't see them tolerating it."

Back at the Orange Bear in the Tribeca section of Manhattan, Cynthia Candiotti's face was obscured behind a cloud of smoke.

"Smoking and boys have sort of always gone together," she said, considering her cigarette. "Smoking, I'll probably quit. Boys, that's a whole other matter."

Mijada
03-29-2003, 09:43 PM
In Michigan smoking is not allowed in some of the malls. I think that's good. Smoking is a nasty disgusting habit. I'm glad I never picked it up. I hate sitting next to someone, whether it be at work or in a restaurant, and having them blow smoke in my face without even giving it a second thought. I'm the only one in my family who has never smoked.

~Tropical Punch 19~
03-29-2003, 09:43 PM
ciggarettes bug me. Qhat gets me the most is when u see people at the hospital walk outside with their little ivy's attached to them go and smoke. That's just wrong.:rolleyes:

Czas na Zywiec
03-29-2003, 09:45 PM
Yea, we've had a smoking ban in effect for the past two years. The only place you can smoke anymore is in your own home or outside. Other than that, all public places, it's banned.

Brian
03-29-2003, 09:46 PM
A few years back, California voters passed a law outlawing smoking in bars and restraunts.

Chocoholic
03-29-2003, 09:52 PM
I can't stand smoking either. It's a disgusting habit and dangerous to the health of both smokers and non-smokers. I wish my college would ban smoking on campus.

Chad22
03-29-2003, 09:56 PM
I Cant stand smoking either. My Mom used to do it in the house and it made me sick. She does it down cellar now.

TJL
03-29-2003, 10:10 PM
Ah yes, the smoking ban.

It will be interesting to see just how it will affect the lives of many a bar patron here in The Big Apple.

Personally, I think the bar ban is wrong. Bars were the last place you could smoke, now that's being taken away too. I smoked for many years, and spent many a night lighting up in various watering holes around town, so I know how some of those folks feel.

If anything, maybe the remaining smokers will see this as a sign to finally give it up. Too much opposition. Time to call it quits.

*Pleasant Tomorrow*
03-29-2003, 10:30 PM
Ugh, smoking is one of the nastiest things...how people can even START is beyond me. All my aunts and uncles on my dad's side smoke, a few on my mom's...but thank God my parents don't. It gives me headaches and makes you smell and blah. Anyone who does smoke should quit, sure it's hard, but it's way worth it. That ban's a good thing and I hope people actually realize that...

Crimson and Clover
03-29-2003, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Mijada
I hate sitting next to someone, whether it be at work or in a restaurant, and having them blow smoke in my face without even giving it a second thought.

oh i hate that

*PinkLady*
03-29-2003, 10:51 PM
Cigarettes. Are. Sick. They killed both my grandfathers and they will kill my dad, too, not to mention countless other relatives and friends. I wish that ban would take effect EVERYWHERE.

MandieR1980
03-29-2003, 10:52 PM
My mom has smoked she she was 11 she's now 48. I try to get her to stop but she keeps telling me to mind my own business. I believe it is my business because she's always smoking around me and I have a right to have clean lungs. Because of her smoking I have a bad barklike cough. Smoking is a big turn off for me if I ever go on a date and he pulls out a cigarette I'll walk out on him. It's pathetic some of the excuses smokers have for smoking like "it relaxes me" really? are you relaxed when you can't stop coughing or can't breathe?

Tuesday Weld
03-29-2003, 11:24 PM
I think they should ban smoking completely.I hate it.My Grandfather's demise was caused by smoking.He started when he was 10 and quit at age 80 and then lived for 9 more years.He had terrible emphysema. :(

Mysty Eyes
03-30-2003, 12:27 AM
We've had a smoking ban in my area for years and years and years. I love it!

Most of the smokers that I know have gotten used to going outside to smoke. They have no choice at work, etc.

AKA
03-30-2003, 12:32 AM
I was watching the three "Roger Rabbit" shorts on the new DVD back to back to back. I think they were each produced two years apart (1989-1993), and I noticed Jessica Rabbit's voice getting deeper and deeper. Poor Kathleen Turner. How many cartons does she smoke a day, anyway?

~*Hannah_Lee*~
03-30-2003, 12:34 AM
I think the ban is a great idea. My dad smokes and I will tell you one thing, and that is that living with a parent who smokes is the greatest influence on a person not to smoke. Growing up around it and knowing how annoying and gross it is gives me the right idea about smoking....not to do it.

Mr. Stefani
03-30-2003, 12:36 AM
It will probably be like the nassau/suffok law that says u cant talk on your cell phone in the car..Everyone still does it anyways.

Warm & Fuzzy
03-30-2003, 12:36 AM
:rock:! I think cigarettes should be banned.. period. You don't know how many times I hadda hold my breath and shove through crowds because of the smoke. -cough cough-

TJL
03-30-2003, 12:48 AM
It's nice to see that so many of you younger folks have decided never to take up the habit.
Neither of my parents smoked, but I picked it up as some sort of way to make me "different" and yes, most of the folks I associated with smoked, so when in Rome...

Smoking is a tough habit to break.

I honestly believe that smoking is in a way like alcoholism - in other words, you can stop drinking, but you will always be considered an "alcoholic."
For me, smoking is the same thing. I am sometimes tempted to light up when I'm out "for old times sake." And believe me, I fell off the wagon a number of times when I tried to give up cigarettes.
Maybe eliminating the smokers from the bars will at least take away that occasional temptation.

So to end this little Public Service Announcement, let me just say once more kids:

Don't smoke dammit!

Now go to bed.

;)

*GoodMorningCalgary*
03-30-2003, 01:00 AM
In Calgary your not allowed to smoke anywhere except for inside your house and on the streets, but theyre changing that too, so In a few years the only place you can smoke is on your property.

sally mander
03-30-2003, 09:09 AM
a smoking ban is all for the best, though I dont think it should be totally outlawed. I dont think it can be. Bars? To me thats kinda pushing it. After all one goes to a bar to drink and party, why not smoke? And this is coming from someone who doesnt smoke.However this route is much better than what I have seen before. On a trip to the east coast last year , rather than ban smoking the town I went to allowed each business to decide whether or not to allow smoking. One restaurant actually had a "list" what one can smoke. Pipes, cigars, cloves, and "inexpensive" cigarettes were NOT allowed but Marlboros and skoal was. Another restaurant banned methol cigarettes but allowed Winston. Crazy!!!

However When someone tried to smoke a joint at a Dennys , when the manager told him that wasnt allowed he pointed out that pot wasnt on Denny's list of things one could NOT smoke. Forced the town to make it a law for all that bans smoking in
restaurants and stores ( though bars one can still smoke ).

Malls, restaurants, amusement parks, theatres, cabs, ect... a smoking ban is great. I remember when folks were allowed to smoke INSIDE supermarkets. That was gross !!!

I do agree that the price of cigs should continue to rise to the point one cant afford to smoke no-more. Price cigarettes at $10-15 per pack, a lot of of kids and many adults wont take up the habit. And of course those who need to continue should pay up to do so.

webuster
03-30-2003, 09:24 AM
I think this ban is good, I hate it when I walk into a bar or any small disco or lobbys, and my eyes are stinging with smoke, and when you sit next to a chain smoker who is spluttering all the time. I think however- that companies should still be allowed cordoned off rooms for the smokers to go to at break. This will save lives, I hope it's introduced everywhere.

Penny Lane
03-31-2003, 10:58 AM
I smoked from age 17 to age 40. I really feel terrible that my kids were exposed to that all those years! My daughter smokes now but my son doesn't. But back then nothing was ever mentioned about second hand smoke. I just never thought about it. Now they are saying that it causes ear infections and such. Luckily my kids were very healthy.
I am all for banning smoking in public places. Especially cigars and pipes. They are even worse than cigarettes! :(
And unlike TJL I have no desire or craving to ever smoke again! The thought of being trapped like that just nauseates me. And it's SO expensive! The last carton of cigarettes that I bought in 1990 was 12.99. I thought that was outrageous!;)

vienna waits
03-31-2003, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by BJL
A few years back, California voters passed a law outlawing smoking in bars and restraunts.

i wish that would happen here.