I can't believe Ricky actually took Lucy over his knee and spanked her!!!!!! Even if it didn't hurt, the idea that a husband would take his wife and spank her is sick!!!! This is the ep where an elderly next door neighbor lady falls for the grocer. I'm sure you've all probably discussed this before, but this takes the cake AFAIC.
And this is the same episode that where the old lady says, "can you teach me how to attract the opposite sex?" Other things they've said on I Love Lucy are "divorce" and Lucy was drunk once....if this was back in the "dark ages" for tv, they sure did a lot of "modern" things as well as "caveman" things!:rolleyes:

Isn't that the absolutely worst! If I remember, this episode is not the only episode he spanks her. In the episode where she wants to move into the new apartment and buys all these toys, Ricky spanks her. It's either this episode or another one where she is yelling that she'll take, whatever it is she bought, back. Heck, maybe he spanked her three times in the show! I can't remember now. Even once is bad enough! Can't believe how things have changed.

Originally posted by Cashodeen
Isn't that the absolutely worst! If I remember, this episode is not the only episode he spanks her. In the episode where she wants to move into the new apartment and buys all these toys, Ricky spanks her. It's either this episode or another one where she is yelling that she'll take, whatever it is she bought, back. Heck, maybe he spanked her three times in the show! I can't remember now. Even once is bad enough! Can't believe how things have changed.

Why do people react so much about Ricky spanking Lucy in a couple episodes, but never raise an eyebrow about Lucy intending to slug Ricky in the head, but unknowingly hitting a dummy's head instead, or beating up on him when he's in bed asleep, or any of several other times throughout the series when Lucy hits Ricky? I agree it's disturbing seeing a man spanking his wife, even though it's done in jest. But isn't it just as bad seeing a woman strike her husband? Is this obvious double standard political correctness gone berserk?

Originally posted by JaneTVFan

Why do people react so much about Ricky spanking Lucy in a couple episodes, but never raise an eyebrow about Lucy intending to slug Ricky in the head, but unknowingly hitting a dummy's head instead, or beating up on him when he's in bed asleep, or any of several other times throughout the series when Lucy hits Ricky? I agree it's disturbing seeing a man spanking his wife, even though it's done in jest. But isn't it just as bad seeing a woman strike her husband? Is this obvious double standard political correctness gone berserk?

Yes, hitting is hitting, and it's no good. But I still think Ricky's hitting was a bigger deal than Lucy's. He took her over his knee and spanked her for heaven sakes. Parents will spank their kids. I thought the action made it seem like she was some child. Lucy wailing on him wasn't cool either. All in all it's just "I Love Lucy" and it's all done comically, and is not a big thing. Them hitting each other wasn't exactly comical to me, but I certainly wasn't offended.

Look, I know we've been here before, but it was the fifties, people! A husband spanking his wife, or pretending to, was an easy route to a quick laugh. ILL wasn't the only show to fall back on it, and it's quite obvious that there's no harm intended. When you watch old comedies, sometimes you're just going to run slap bang into old attitudes. Sometimes it's cringe worthy from a modern perspective, sometimes it adds more humour.

And like JaneTVFan says, why's it always the spanking that gets to people - scenes when he's quite obviously barely touching her, and it's obviously all a big joke? What about all the (numerous) scenes where she beats the living daylights out of him?! And that looks real.

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It IS amazing though the reaction that those scenes get, isn't it? People forget she ACTS like a CHILD, so he punishes her the way a parent would a disobedient child, and yes, it was the 50's and a COMEDY show.

I totally understand what you guys are saying. But did you not read all that I wrote? I wanted to make clear that I know it is a comedy and it IS no big deal. "I Love Lucy" is one of my favorite shows for its type of comedy. Geesh, maybe I should not have started off my first post with "Isn't that the absolute worst!" Everyone I have ever talked with about this reacts the same way I do--we can't believe how times have changed. It is done comically but if I were to pick it apart in seriousness (which I obviously did--my bad), it is pretty disgraceful to spank anybody. But I'm not offended in the least. It is a humorous show all the way around. I grew up in a different time, but I still understand how the spanking was suppose to be interpreted. My last posts were suppose to reflect how some of us could interpret it now.

(And I didn't forget she acts like a child a lot of the time. I just didn't think Ricky should act like her father. It's all comedy, nonetheless!)

Nobody's jumping on you, but your post pretty well highlighted what we're talking about. It seems society in recent years has become conditioned to react negatively to certain things but not others that are equally bad. Someone sees a woman get hit, even if it's only a joke, and GASP! OMG! The same person sees a man get hit, even if it's for real, and they don't even bat an eye. Huge, modern, double standard.

As Claude noted, Ricky sometimes treated Lucy like a child because she *acted* like a child. That was the whole point of the show. By the same token, Alice Kramden would talk down to Ralph like a mother scolding a child because he whined and behaved like a spoiled kid. But nobody gets on her case about that.

Originally posted by Cashodeen
I totally understand what you guys are saying. But did you not read all that I wrote? I wanted to make clear that I know it is a comedy and it IS no big deal. "I Love Lucy" is one of my favorite shows for its type of comedy. Geesh, maybe I should not have started off my first post with "Isn't that the absolute worst!" Everyone I have ever talked with about this reacts the same way I do--we can't believe how times have changed. It is done comically but if I were to pick it apart in seriousness (which I obviously did--my bad), it is pretty disgraceful to spank anybody. But I'm not offended in the least. It is a humorous show all the way around. I grew up in a different time, but I still understand how the spanking was suppose to be interpreted. My last posts were suppose to reflect how some of us could interpret it now.

(And I didn't forget she acts like a child a lot of the time. I just didn't think Ricky should act like her father. It's all comedy, nonetheless!)

That is a good example you gave about "The Honeymooners." I never have watched the show, but I knew about how Alice would talk to Kramden.

I won't get into details about the double standard, (I've spent far too much time picking ILL apart over, what was meant to be a humorous scene) but I completely agree there is a very noticable one.

Until it was mentioned in this thread, I forgot about how Lucy wailed on Ricky and attempted to hit him in the head once. But I remembered very well when he spanked her a couple times. Obviously, I have been guilty of the double standard as well.

Anyhow, I do enjoy reading everyone's thoughts, and I knew no one was picking on me. :) Everyone on this board seems very polite which is terrific.

A couple more thoughts on this issue, then I'll shut up. Think about those scenes on ILL where Lucy takes a pillow and starts beating the living daylights out of Ricky. Now try to imagine it's Ricky doing that to Lucy and with the same ferocity. If you really try to put that image in your head -- Ricky trying to beat the crap out of his wife with his pillow -- I'll bet it will come across as really disturbing, just as much as those spanking scenes. But you know what? When people see Lucy do that to Ricky, the next day they don't say, "OMG, did you see what Lucy did to Ricky last night?! That was the absolute worst!" And those occasions where Ricky's done something really bad and is practically groveling at Lucy's feet like a kid who's in trouble with his mother, nobody bats an eye. Again, I'm not picking on you or anybody for taking offense at Ricky's mistreatment of Lucy, but not the other way around. I'm guilty of it, too! But I'm trying to get a handle on things I understand where society has gone too far with its dos and don'ts.

We have been sooo conditioned over the last 20 years or so about what is acceptable and what isn't, what is funny and what is offensive. I think it's great that we as a society have become sensitive and aware of things that in the past were overlooked. But we've taken it too far. We have become a bunch of ridiculously thin-skinned, whining weenies. I remember being in Latin America and the people I was living with would poke fun at my accent. It could be annoying, but I knew they were really doing that because they wanted to have fun WITH me, because they liked me. But try poking fun at someone's accent in this country (the U.S.) and see what happens!

We used to have a sense of humor about ourselves, but now we don't. We as a society have practically lost our sense of humor. I think it's very important to know where to draw the line and see where "humor" is inappropriate. I think that line should be drawn at the point where humor is intended to degrade and humiliate. A lot of thngs on I LOVE LUCY society now tells us are not funny, but you have to look long and hard to find anything on that show that is intended to degrade and humiliate. For degradation and humilation, turn on Howard Stern! In today's politically overcorrect environment, I wish someone could explain how that show thrives while ILL gets criticized.

You make some good points there, and of course it's an argument that's been going on for some time now. Political correctness was a reaction to things that needed to change, but of course we've now reached a point where many people wish that it hadn't gone quite so far! I don't think it's too widespread though. If you watch Mad About You for example, Jamie takes the Mick out of Paul's New York Jewish accent quite a few times, so it's not that everybody avoids those kinds of jokes. Certainly seems that way at times though!

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At least Ricky actually had more reason to 'punish' Lucy in a humiliating way, as he did it because she was being nosy as well as derogatory and jealous simply because the new tenant was a beautiful blonde; then in the other ep it was because she wanted to move into a larger apartment and she bought a ridiculous quantity of large expensive toys, some of which the baby could not use for years. But Lucy tried to beat the stew out of Ricky because of a dream she had; this happened twice at least. And she tried to hit him because he did not want her along when he was to have lunch with Richard Widmark. Lucy is the prototype of a situation comedy character because she creates her own situations with her own eccentricities; so it seems Ricky not wanting her with them was justified.

When we watch these old classic shows, we get a lot of reminders o how what was acceptable as humor a few decades ago and is not allowed today. Besides the spanking and hitting in ILL, there is making fun of Ricky's accent, stereotyping him as a "hot blooded Latin," implying that women in general are gossipy, nosy, and outrageously jealous, that there is no friendship or association among the main characters with blacks, and only with Hispanics through Ricky, and the use of guns in that silly ep where they thought the new tenants were enemy agents. Probably no show today would have a comical drunk as a character, like Otis in the Andy Griffith Show, nor would smoking be allowed as in many old comedy shows.

Now nobody take offence at this, but gimme the good ole days when we just laughed at these situations, and not analyse them to death, they wanted the audience to LAUGH so the writers wrote funny situations, imagine if they had thought back then that there would come a time where these situations would be deemed inappropriate. Political correctness has sucked the life out of comedy these days, in my opinion!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
...Political correctness has sucked the life out of comedy these days, in my opinion!

Yeah, it really has. There isn't really a comedy out now that I care about, and it's been that way for a while. I watch tvland instead.
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"Isn't that the absolute worst!" Ah, that line will forever be seared in my head as the worst thing I've written on sitcomsonline. I actually wish I could take it back because I was actually being so dramatic, and I knew it when I put it. You may not believe this now, but that post really was meant to be a joke, yet I did nothing to let anyone know it was done jokingly. Basically, I was being stupid for coming off a certain way. While I was writing it, I was actually remembering how when my dad and I watched an episode she was spanked it, we joked how nowadays it would be coined as "domestic violence" or "spousal abuse."

And really my next posts were out of sorts too, because I was taking the situation out of the comedy and analyzing it from a serious perspective (ie, the action of spanking to me is worse that hitting--while I pretty much feel that way in the real world, ILL should be left alone.)

I take full responsiblity for ridiculously going into the "political correctness" mode. Personally, I feel PC HAS gotten out of hand, and it continues to be flawed with double standards. In society it is worse if a husband hits his wife than if a wife hits her husband. I totally disagree with this and I think both are equally bad.

Yet, I took JaneTVFan's senerio of Ricky wailing on Lucy with a pillow. I actually forgot Lucy doing this in one episode, yet I am quite sure I would have remembered if Ricky had done it. Pretty rotten of me.

Originally posted by Cashodeen
Yet, I took JaneTVFan's senerio of Ricky wailing on Lucy with a pillow. I actually forgot Lucy doing this in one episode, yet I am quite sure I would have remembered if Ricky had done it. Pretty rotten of me.

No, it's not "rotten" of you, it's just human. I used that example because I think we ALL would react that way. Practically every person who has grown during the last three decades has been conditioned by society to accept these reverse double standards, just as previous generations accepted different kinds of double standards. I think at some point the pendulum will start to swing back the other way and eventually settle in the middle. At that point, people will look back at the year 2003 and question how people could have tolerated these anti-male double standards, among others.

Hmm. This is interesting. One thing that made me think was societys tolerance for this sort of stuff. So hitting woman and making fun of people's accents is offensive and unacceptable, but , talking about sex, almost having sex, and making fun of people's sexuality is acceptable on TV? I really don't think that this society has gotten any better just because hitting woman is taken to be offensive and unaccpetable. I think that if all the TV shows where half like I Love Lucy, this world would be a much more nice, clean and respectful place. The stuff on TV these days are anything but appropraite and non-offensive. And society has gotten worse because they are tolerating the sex phonominone(sp?) and vololence on TV. The reason that I Love Lucy was able to do that "skechty" (as people look at it now) stuff, is because sex and volence was not a big issue back than. And people would not twist it around and turn it in to somthing inappropriate because stuff that is happening now was not even heard of back than. I can't even believe that people are saying that some of the stuff on I Love Lucy was wrong. She hit her husband with a pillow, big deal! Get over it! Its funny how policaly people and all of society getts so offended when they see a woman get hit, but thinks its fine that all TV shows talk about is sex sex sex. Believe me, society has not gotten anybetter, only worse.

just my opinion...

I don't think anybody's saying it's wrong that Lucy hit Ricky (and it wasn't just with a pillow, believe me. She seriously beat him up several times!). We're just saying that nobody ever comments on it, but they always say it's awful when he seems to hit her.

Can you give some examples of what you consider to be offensive on other shows though? Might help to make this into a proper discussion.

It's not political correctness gone berserk. It was really awful, even not counting the fact that she wasn't doing anything wrong in helping the woman get to know the guy. Sure, it was the fifties; and beating wives with sticks, not letting them vote, and burning them alive with their dead husbands were all even more long ago, but that didn't make them acceptable. I also hated the one where the two boys were going to burn her at the stake.

I still love the series over all, I just don't watch those episodes.

I do agree that a lot of the shows these days, with all the sex and gross talk, are much worse than I Love Lucy was on the whole. I just hate those few aforementioned episodes.

No offense here either, but just one more thought about the double standard part. I know there are exceptions, but as a rule, a man is more likely to inflict serious harm hitting a woman than is a woman hitting a man. I think that's why people think the former is worse, as well as the turning-over-the-knee factor. Also, while Alice put Ralph down a lot, Ralph would come across as quite violent with the "...pow right in the kisser" and "To the moon, Alice!" Another thing might be that the women have a long history of being subjugated and abused by the men and not so much vice versa, which makes them more sensitive about it. I guess that turned out to be two more thoughts, but I think I'm done now. (I hope nobody goes whew, he he.) I do still get a kick out of the Honeymooners too, though.

Interestingly, while we as a society have become more and more sensitive and aware of certain behaviors we consider objectionable, at the same time the rate of murder, rape and other violent crimes has increased greatly since the '50s. Obviously, there's something we're not doing right.


Originally posted by ilovelucy15
Hmm. This is interesting. One thing that made me think was societys tolerance for this sort of stuff. So hitting woman and making fun of people's accents is offensive and unacceptable, but , talking about sex, almost having sex, and making fun of people's sexuality is acceptable on TV? I really don't think that this society has gotten any better just because hitting woman is taken to be offensive and unaccpetable. I think that if all the TV shows where half like I Love Lucy, this world would be a much more nice, clean and respectful place. The stuff on TV these days are anything but appropraite and non-offensive. And society has gotten worse because they are tolerating the sex phonominone(sp?) and vololence on TV. The reason that I Love Lucy was able to do that "skechty" (as people look at it now) stuff, is because sex and volence was not a big issue back than. And people would not twist it around and turn it in to somthing inappropriate because stuff that is happening now was not even heard of back than. I can't even believe that people are saying that some of the stuff on I Love Lucy was wrong. She hit her husband with a pillow, big deal! Get over it! Its funny how policaly people and all of society getts so offended when they see a woman get hit, but thinks its fine that all TV shows talk about is sex sex sex. Believe me, society has not gotten anybetter, only worse.

just my opinion...

Of course, there are 5 or 6 billion people in the world, and while some are sensitive to the least little thing, others aren't sensitive about anything, and the same ones who think ILL was terrible may not all be the same ones that think Howard Stern is great. (I think he's horrid.) And don't even get me started on the latest Survivor ads. They're too disgusting for words. I may end up not watching anything but tapes of Lucy and other old shows and just enough news to know what's going on.

SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLAN TO ME!

Good topic! It's interesting because isn't the episode where "Lucy Raises Chickens" Little Ricky says something about being spanked but Ricky says......"No son, just tell the truth." Yet, those lines were edited out of TV Land/Nick versions of the show.

Jack

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS RUN AMOK, it will eventually destroy all comedy in everything.

Yes, I already dislike most of the comedy shows out there. Political correctness is definitely a huge factor. Like SPLAIN said, "Run amok." AND, look what they will allow on tv these days. It seems they've basically traded all the things they can no longer allow (thanks to PC) for outright garbage. How is that progress? TV has really gone mad. A show like Survivor, that used to be decent enough for the family to watch, has now become Smutsville. My 10 year old sister used to love this show. It horrifies me now that she could be watching this new terrible season.

On the thread where we're posting our favorite ILL episode, I put an episode where I just recently remembered Ricky paddles Lucy. With all the ragging I have done about spanking in the show, I suprised myself that I forgot about it in the episode that I consider my all-time favorite. I'm glad I did--I don't want to take anything like that seriously anymore, and I would certainly take that over the "comedy" that's out there today.

Too right - why take these things seriously? It's not as if there's nothing genuinely serious going on in the world to worry about instead!

I watched The Road To Zanzibar the other day. I'm a sucker for the early Road movies. In this one Bing Crosby sells Bob Hope to a slave dealer. Now that when you think about it is about as funny as slapping your wife - but there's no sense in thinking about it that way. These days a series like M*A*S*H* would probably never get made. I notice Graham Norton annoyed some people last night with his first TV show from America, with some jokes about the war. M*A*S*H* did that for seven years!

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That's a TOUGH one Mickey, i think anything should be made fun of, but the current war is a very touchy subject right now. We don't know that it will ever be won, nor do we know the consequences. Like the head of Egypt said recently, you had one Osama before, now you'll have 100. I'm sure the troops shooting women and children will go over big in the newsreels on the Arab networks too!

Okay, Claude, nice Jane discussion! LOL!
Seriously, I don't think there was anything wrong with it. I do raise an eyebrow when I think about the era that happened in, though! I wouldn't think that would be alowed -- "physical abuse." is what I would have thought they would say.

Thank you for bringing this back up, i miss Jane and the other people that made that one so interesting. It was like watching an old rerun of Lucy's, still fun and actually making us laugh which happens so seldom these days. Oh i will laugh now and then at Will and Grace, but that's because they're outrageous, Raymond because we can identify with the family aspects of the show, and The Simpsons, very often, but that's a cartoon. Thanks again, two of my favorite things, talking about Lucy with people with brains, i really appreciate it!

By the way, do i know YOU, and would you like a Tape from me of Lucy stuff? In return for your thoughtfullness!

Barnabas is Ricky. Or were you kidding when you asked who he was?

Yep, another month has gone by, so it's time for one of the wife-beating threads to resurface! They're like homing pigeons, honestly. :crazy:

I forgot that was Ricky, the kid's had more names than Liz Taylor's had husbands! Thanks Lodee and sorry Mickey, i'm sure he meant it do me a favor, anything to bring back memories of my beloved Jane, oh Jane where for art thou?

Doesn't 'where for art thou?' mean 'why are you called?'? I'm sure I remember that from interminable Shakespeare lessons!




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Ok change that to I MISS YOU SO then. What does a French Canadian know about Shakespeare? We idolize Celine Dion!

Oh my gosh, not THIS again! ohno:

I don't see why people get so upset about this! It's a SHOW guys, it's funny! Don't be so loca en la cabeza :soapbox: *takes a breath* Okay I'm done. :crazy:

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You can do Shakespeare in French, can't you?! Goran Visnjic is always spouting it in Croatian. Sounds good, actually, in Croatian. Don't know why!



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Well they're both fairly inaccessible... but I would suggest that one of them might be slightly less so than the other...

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Well they're both fairly inaccessible... but I would suggest that one of them might be slightly less so than the other...

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I am not easy to find either so if someone wishes to talk to me they have to make an appointment

Originally posted by SPLAIN
I forgot that was Ricky, the kid's had more names than Liz Taylor's had husbands! Thanks Lodee and sorry Mickey, i'm sure he meant it do me a favor, anything to bring back memories of my beloved Jane, oh Jane where for art thou? Oh Jane oh Jane, oh Jane oh Jane, how lovely art thou postings!

So far, she has not succombed to our many charms! Alas!

Forgive me since this thread hasen't been posted on lately but I'm going through them now and wanted to respond here.I have had alot of back and forth thoughts about this one-not approving of it but just how I should look at it.At that time alot of comedy was taken from Taming of the Shrew ,which was largerly about putting spirited women in their place .Taming of the Shrew is the grandfather of ILL in this sense .ILL had a woman writer so it does surprise me that she may have been ok with this.I do have to wonder who really thought Ricky should spank Lucy,many did go along with it but one had to come up with the idea.
I do however see a turning point in the show in Getting Ready Lucy spured on by Ethel stands her ground with Ricky and tell him flat out that her mother is going to California Ricky is left speechleess and Lucy is less itimidated by him after that.The Tulip episode even has Ricky afraid of Lucy (one of the last episodes).Lucy was less childlike by then and Ricky mellowed out a bit too.
I don't approve of his treatment of Lucy alot of the time but at other times he's more tolerant and good humored .I overlook alot of this stuff because I love the show I just wish they hadn't done it.

I have always felt the writers were using the spanking scenes from the hit musical "Kiss Me Kate" which was taken from Shakespeare "Taming Of The Screw". "Kiss Me Kate" was recently on Broadway in the early 1950's and the film musical premiered in 1953. The timing worked perfectly for the "I Love Lucy" episodes!!!:)

I have always felt the writers were using the spanking scenes from the hit musical "Kiss Me Kate" which was taken from Shakespeare "Taming Of The Screw". "Kiss Me Kate" was recently on Broadway in the early 1950's and the film musical premiered in 1953. The timing worked perfectly for the "I Love Lucy" episodes!!!:)
Yes the take off from Kiss Me Kate probably does play into this.I do think the early Lucy is very childlike at times but is far less so in the later seasons she's still wacky of course but more grown up like and less afraid of Ricky .

Hello

I know this thread is old......

The last comment, that gave the impression that Lucy was afraid of Ricky
has had me thinking.

I don't think Lucy was afraid of Ricky. I think they loved each other very
much and had a great relationship. Now, with us looking in from the outside and with the mores of today, we try to judge their life.

I Lucy accepted and was quite happy with their relationship at home.
Some people like that kind of a relationship. I never saw Ricky take a
paddle or belt to her, he only used his hand over her skirt, petticoat, girdle and underwear. She would be 'unlucky' if she felt anything. I never saw
him spank her in front of anyone, so he did not embarrass her.

I guess my spin on it is different.

And I laughed my 'butt' off

:o)

Man, this thread is so old that there isnt one username that I even recognise :lol: , anyway, Ricky spanking Lucy wouldnt have been a big issue at a time when a wife was still regarded as her husbands property, more or less.....today of course, many women still get spanked, the difference is, they enjoy it* :rolleyes:

*Not my cup of tea though, I'm not into that kind of thing; I prefer mutual love and respect, to nasty games

Hello again

Wow, and you have been here a while.

I guess, my main point was, I don't think Lucy was afraid of Ricky.

Just as today, when I make attempt something outside my regular knowledge, futch it up, and he has to fix that along with the original
problem......

I am not afraid of him..... but I am sure not looking forward to telling him.

Am I making better sense now?

Insert a smile here

Lenore

Some parts i found hard to watch because of how he spoke to and treated her, theres one episode i think its not long after they move to the country house and he pretends to throw his shoe at lucy and grabs her! I think its just little things which were fine then but not now so people are going to find fault.

It was the 50's back then things were different. Also in the later country episodes their marriage was coming apart so maybe he got into his part too much. Maybe he grabbed her that way when they were at home and fighting.

I also think that this is Hollywood and a comedy.

Things were done over the top and not as a showcase of how their
"real" life was.

The recent episode on TV Land where Ricky puts her on the schedule...
When Ricky realizes he is an hour late in meeting with his new boss, he
does grab her by the arm and (for the lack of a better term) drag her
out the door.

I think someone mentioned earlier in the thread that it seemed to come out
more that way the more child like Lucy's behavoir was.

I think she stood up for herself in many episodes. The schedle with
the breakfast that was done the night before. The man in the closet one
where she disappeard for an hour and had the agent call Rick to say
he did not send anyone over.

I think they made a good team :o)

There was very few moments like that, i think ricky and lucy were great togther he did alot for her and she did alot for him.;)

Just for the record, the Shakespeare play was called Taming of the Shrew, not Taming of the screw ( see top of page ^_^' )

Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for awhile and this is my first post!

I'm a new fan of this show and since I've just watched all the dvds, I'll add my two cents. I never got the impression that Lucy was really afraid of Ricky. I think the best example is in the episode "Ricky Loses his Temper" in which she literally tortures him for 24 hours in an effort to make him lose his temper so she can win a bet. She never would have done all that if she was really afraid of him.

Also, in regards to the spanking, I suspect that even in the 1950s few husbands could get away with doing that without some level of consent from their wives...at least in a non-abusive relationship. If Lucy had really been upset about the spanking, she certainly would have found a way to get even with him...don't you think?