Who, in all honesty, defined Punk? I had to write an essay on this in Music Theroy class, and of course, you have the usual limbodos who wrote "Avril Lavigne" and "Good Charlotte".

But I'd like to see who you all think are "Punk". I have my opinions that the original roots of Punk come from The Ramones and The Clash back in London, but like I said, here's the question for you all...

Who's Punk? Who defined, created, invented Punk? Who are some TRUE Punk bands today?

And if I see the words "Blink-182" come up on my screen, I'm sorry, I'll be forced to kill you.

Originally posted by Miss Karly
Who, in all honesty, defined Punk? I had to write an essay on this in Music Theroy class, and of course, you have the usual limbodos who wrote "Avril Lavigne"

I never ****ing said I was punk!

Originally posted by Miss Karly


Who's Punk? Who defined, created, invented Punk? Who are some TRUE Punk bands today?


I think punk is more of a mindframe than anything anyone really invented or discovered. To take a quote from my fave movie SLC Punk..."Stevo: Another thing that pissed me off, talkin' about who started punk rock music. Was it Sex Pistols in England? Was it the Ramones in the Velvet Underground in New York? 'It was the Ramones!' 'It was the Sex Pistols!' Raahh! Who cares who started it?! It's music. I don't know who started it, and I don't give a ****. The one thing I do know is that we did it harder, we did it faster, and we definitely did it with more love, baby. You can't take that away from us. " So it may not seem to make much sense but like I said before I don't think its important where it came from...just that its here.

Some true punk bands today...argghhhh...no one shoot me for this just an opinion: Descendents, Pennywise, Anti-Flag, Dropkick Murphy....etc.

The innovators:

The Ramones
The Sex Pistols
The Clash
The New York Dolls
The Police

True punk bands today:

The Misfits
NOFX
Rancid
Pennywise
Me First And The Gimme Gimmes
Millencolin
Bad Religion

Why do people always argue about if they are punk or not? I mean does it really matter?:confused: Im a country gal so I just dont get the big argument about "punk" and "not punk".

Originally posted by Avril Lavigne


I never ****ing said I was punk!

You, my friend, need to take a ****ing chill pill. I never said anything about Kristina.

Originally posted by shavelyLBC34
So it may not seem to make much sense but like I said before I don't think its important where it came from...just that its here.


Number 2- I don't think it's important either. I don't care where it came from, actually. I thought it was a stupid essay prompt to begin with. I'm just interested to see what everyone thought of it, that's all.

Originally posted by MaRtInA_GuRL
Why do people always argue about if they are punk or not? I mean does it really matter?:confused: Im a country gal so I just dont get the big argument about "punk" and "not punk".

Because there are acts that are labelled as punk, but in fact, are the polar opposite (Blink 182, Green Day, Sum 41, Avril Lavigngneinge, Good Charloote; etc.).

Originally posted by MaRtInA_GuRL
Why do people always argue about if they are punk or not? I mean does it really matter?:confused: Im a country gal so I just dont get the big argument about "punk" and "not punk".

Number 3- no, it doesn't matter, and my argument here is not exactly weather someone 'is punk' or 'isn't punk'. My statement here was to see who everyone thought the roots of Punk were from.

Originally posted by Miss Karly


You, my friend, need to take a ****ing chill pill. I never said anything about Kristina.

KEWL U R SO KEWL THAT I CAN JUST HUG U!

Every1 thinks avril is a punk artist cuz she wears studded bracelets

Originally posted by Avril Lavigne


I never ****ing said I was punk!

She didn't mention Kristina.

Holy Christ - want to shrink your signature a tad, Kelly Osbourne?

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Originally posted by Miss Karly


Number 2- I don't think it's important either. I don't care where it came from, actually. I thought it was a stupid essay prompt to begin with. I'm just interested to see what everyone thought of it, that's all.

I understand what you are saying. Lots of people think punk started in the '70's with the Sex Pistols or Ramones, Buzzcocks, etc. but in my opinion I think it has always been around. It's that attitude that they displayed that made them stand out as being the "punk originators-ish"

Originally posted by AKA
Holy Christ - want to shrink your signature a tad, Kelly Osbourne?
lol sorry. i have no idea how it got like that but i fixed it.

Originally posted by Kelly Osbourne
Every1 thinks avril is a punk artist cuz she wears studded bracelets

Exactly. I think people have started to label themselves "punk" because of their clothes. It's getting to where it has almost nothing to do with the music anymore. I mean, if Britney Spears got on stage dressed like Good Charlotte, but still sang her same songs, she would be dressed "punk" but she would NOT be "punk." She would be fake, an imitation, and LYING. Punk, in my opinion, is getting away from the music and becomming more about the clothes, which, in turn, isn't punk at all.

Originally posted by ~*Hannah_Lee*~


Exactly. I think people have started to label themselves "punk" because of their clothes. Punk, in my opinion, is getting away from the music and becomming more about the clothes, which, in turn, isn't punk at all.

I totally agree. To me it's really sad when you see girls at school wearing, for example, a t-shirt of the clash when two weeks ago they were wearing air force one's or whatever because thats what was "hip." Its stupid that punk has become some trend.

Originally posted by shavelyLBC34
To me it's really sad when you see girls at school wearing, for example, a t-shirt of the clash when two weeks ago they were wearing air force one's

Especially if they don't even know who the hell The Clash are. Just because The Clash is "Punk", they wear their shirt. I find that extremely funny.

To prove my point further- People ask what kind of music I listen to. They almost drop dead at my answer, because of what I wear. They don't expect it. I wear everything...stuff from Pac Sun, Hot Topic, Tommy Hilfiger, Aeropostale, JCPenny, whatever looks and feels comfortable on me. I'm not concerned about falling into 'prep' or 'sk8er' or whatever. Moving on- I tell people I listen to a mix of Punk/Heavy Metal. The Clash, The Ramones, the Sex Pistols, Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Iron Maiden, Ozzy Osbourne, and like I said, they almost drop dead....because they don't expect it, because on that particular day, I happen to be wearing Abercrombie.

I mean do you get what I'm saying? People are starting to think "If you don't dress Punk, you don't listen to or know what Punk is", while half the "punks" out there don't know who the hell Joe Strummer is.

Originally posted by Miss Karly

People are starting to think "If you don't dress Punk, you don't listen to or know what Punk is"

Good Lord. I know. I have these black shoelaces with stars...and this kid on my bus goes "Why do you have those on? You're not punk.....you listen to rap." Okay 1- I don't even know this kid very well...how would he know? and 2- WHO THE **** CARES?!?!?!?

Originally posted by Miss Karly
People ask what kind of music I listen to. They almost drop dead at my answer, because of what I wear. They don't expect it. I wear everything...stuff from Pac Sun, Hot Topic, Tommy Hilfiger, Aeropostale, JCPenny, whatever looks and feels comfortable on me. I'm not concerned about falling into 'prep' or 'sk8er' or whatever. Moving on- I tell people I listen to a mix of Punk/Heavy Metal. The Clash, The Ramones, the Sex Pistols, Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Iron Maiden, Ozzy Osbourne, and like I said, they almost drop dead....because they don't expect it, because on that particular day, I happen to be wearing Abercrombie.


That's me. I wear clothes like that ya know, because that is what I like. But when I tell people I listen to stuff like Nirvana, and hard rock, they are all like "you don't look like that kind of person." What the crap is that supposed to mean? The other day, I was at this honor band, and I was staying a motel room with two other girls, one of which is a huge rock fan. So she puts it on this music video station and I know every rock song they are showing. The other girl, who listens to *gag* pop, looks at me and goes "You listen to ROCK? I'm sorry but I just cannot see you listening to rock." Just because I have blond hair, and wear pink occasionally, and am not decked out in black. No offense to any of you people out there who do dress in black, if that's your style then that is way awesome. But if you dress like that and like rap, you can't say it wouldnt bug you if someone said "I just can't see you listening to rap."

Ive noticed that alot of preppy stores have been starting to sell punk stuff. Like Claire's, which is meant for preps, started to sell punk jewlery awhile ago. Charlotte russe is doing that too, i went there today and there were all these studded belts and bracelets and ****. Alloy sells a lil punk jewlery and belts but theyre not bad. I guess its cuz the prep stores want money and the punk style is gettin kinda popular.

Originally posted by Kelly Osbourne
Ive noticed that alot of preppy stores have been starting to sell punk stuff. Like Claire's, which is meant for preps, started to sell punk jewlery awhile ago. Charlotte russe is doing that too, i went there today and there were all these studded belts and bracelets and ****. Alloy sells a lil punk jewlery and belts but theyre not bad. I guess its cuz the prep stores want money and the punk style is gettin kinda popular.

spikey bracelets have always been sold at claires...

Originally posted by Miss Karly
To prove my point further- People ask what kind of music I listen to. They almost drop dead at my answer, because of what I wear. They don't expect it. I wear everything...stuff from Pac Sun, Hot Topic, Tommy Hilfiger, Aeropostale, JCPenny, whatever looks and feels comfortable on me. I'm not concerned about falling into 'prep' or 'sk8er' or whatever. Moving on- I tell people I listen to a mix of Punk/Heavy Metal. The Clash, The Ramones, the Sex Pistols, Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Iron Maiden, Ozzy Osbourne, and like I said, they almost drop dead....because they don't expect it, because on that particular day, I happen to be wearing Abercrombie.
Right. I dont think i fall into any category in particular. I dress preppy most of the time but i dress punky too. Same w/ music, i listen to pop sometimes but i listen to rap and rock more. I dont care what ppl label me as cuz i dress how i like. i like takin quizzes to see what label it says i am tho cuz i find it kinda amusing but i dont take it seriously or anything.

Originally posted by Avril Lavigne


spikey bracelets have always been sold at claires...
They have? o well i live 100 miles away from the nearest mall so i cant go there often.

here's my 'theory' okay.. Punk started as people wanting to be different.. that whole thing. Like Amanda mentioned.. SLC Punk is good to kinda show the whole thing. but anywho.. I had a conversation from a Bass PLayer from a Local Chicago Band about this ( the band was Drawing a Blank ) but we were talking and I was like wasn't the whole point of 'punk' was to be indvidual.. doing what you want?.. and he was like yeah.. so then I was like so people defining what and who is or isn't 'punk' is defeating the whole point right? and he was lik EXACTLY.... so as for who started it you could say it was the 70s Punk stuff but it's always been there you just gotta see it....

The roots of punk began in the early 70's with Detroit bands such as MC5 ("Kick Out the Jams") and Iggy Pop and the Stooges ("Search and Destroy") who had a reputation for wild antics that bordered on violence and destruction. At the same time bands in New York such as the New York Dolls ("Personality Crisis") began the trend of trans-sexual "gender bender" look with tons of sleaze and decadence. In the early 70's "glam" was big with David Bowie, Marc Bolan, and Alice Cooper who incorporated cross-dressing with hard rock. The Velvet Underground ("Waiting For My Man", "Sweet Jane") with Lou Reed was a forerunner of the punk movement in the late 60's, as well as Roxy Music ("Do the Strand", "Virginia Plain", "Love is the Drug") from England (featuring Bryan Ferry and, for a while avant-garde musician Brian Eno), which was influential in forming what would become New Wave in the late 70's. What these artists shared in common was
a non-commercial, do-it-yourself, experimental approach to creating songs. New York Dolls manager Malcolm McLaren went to England and found a person with the perfect image to create a band--a young man with very bad teeth named John Lydon whom he renamed Johnny Rotten. His discovery came at a place called the Sex Boutique, and so the Sex Pistols were born.

Other founders of Punk included:

The Ramones
The Clash
Television
The Buzzcocks
The Damned
The Stranglers
Richard Hell and the Voidoids

And clubs like CBGB's in New York were the spawning grounds of some unlikely "punk" bands including the Talking Heads who included ethnic sounds in their songs.

Damn, I should be a rock historian.

Also, the reason why punk took off in the first place was that a lot of kids in the UK looked at the music scene and found it full of musicians they thought were a bunch of fat, rich, bloated pop stars making safe, radio-friendly, corporate-cheese music. So they decided to bring rock & roll back to its dangerous roots and speed it up and play under 3 minutes.

Another punk pioneer:

Generation X (featuring Billy Idol)
song: "Your Generation"

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Damn, I should be a rock historian.

Really, you should. I think you've found your true calling.