Any Idea what got Freddie on drugs in the first place? He was so young, was it peer pressure? unhappy at home? I don`t think I ever heard.

I never thought it was peer pressure, especially when I read how Freddie almost overdosed when he was a teenager. I think his Mom should have seeked help for him then. I think it was something eating at him.

I am a firm believer that a well rounded, well adjusted young adult does not seek out the comfort of drugs unless there is something going on in his life that is disturbing to him. I want to tell you all something that has been a well kept secret of mine. Only one other person on these boards knows about this. I feel comfortable enough to share this with you all. When I was 9 my mother divorced my father and married another man. This man molested me from the ages of 9 to 12. This was all from 1974-77. Do those dates sound familiar to anyone? They should. Freddie/Chico was my safe place to go during these times. He was sort of like a hero to me I guess. To me, Freddie was the image of a human being that would never hurt anybody. Freddie shot himself on Jan. 28, 1977 and the last time my step-father touched me was Feb. 7, 1977. Freddie was my saving grace. As for the drugs...I started doing them when I was 14 and continued until 11 years ago. I have 11 years clean and sober. But...I got HELP! I went through the counseling and the therapy. And through the 12-step programs.
Now, I'm not saying that what happened to me happened to Freddie, but I do know through my years of therapy that a kid doesn't just go off and do drugs cause he's bored. He doesn't try to committ suicide just because there's nothing better to do. There was a deep, deep depression inside Freddie that made him do what he did. I couldn't swear by it or anything else, but there was something in his childhood that drove him to the thoughts he had. I hope I haven't cast a dim light on this thread for anybody...maybe I can get someone to speak out and realize that there are others out there who have been through the same thing. God bless each one of you and thank you for letting me share this. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I think he had a injury and then he got
addicted to the painkillers that were
perscribed to him.

Chicosfairlady, Thank God Freddie was your saving grace. If only he had known that,you never know but it could of made a difference in him. I`m sorry you went through that, but thank God your still here with all of us.
we Love you Chicosfairlady, please never forget that.

Chicosladyfair, what a truly crummy thing to have to go through as a young girl! I'm sorry that had to happen to you, and then the addiction, but it's great that you've been clean for so many years!
We might never know what kind of demons Freddie was hiding; if there was more pain in his childhood than just the neighborhood bullies...

Chicosladyfair, I'm sorry that you went through all that. I know a few people that went through similar times but didn't get help. Thank God and Freddie you did. God bless you.

Wow, so sorry to hear about what happened to ya. Glad you were able to get off the drugs. Too bad they couldn't have gotten Freddie help. I wonder what caused him to do them? I too read he had an injury but I forget what it was... Back when I was a teen in the 70's kids back then only did drugs for fun mainly pot & didn't do them to get hooked. When he tried to kill himself after that Nani girl broke up, they should've gotten him help for it. I guess his Mom thought it was a one time thing & never realized how bad off he was... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif

Chicosladyfair, I am so sorry that you went through that terror and injustice as a young lady. I am angered that you were hurt. You are such a kind person and should never have been subjected to this horrible ordeal. I hate the thought of any child being put through this awful situation. They are so helpless and confused by it all.

I am supremely grateful to the Lord that you have survived, in spite of what this despicable individual did. You are so talented and gifted.

I am really upset over this and am trying to hold it together.

I am very proud of you for the eleven years of sobriety and for not allowing anyone to prevent you from becoming the wonderful, warm, kind, and generous lady you are. I admire your strength and fortitude in all things.

I know Freddie would have been furious at the circumstances, yet proud that he was that friend and anchor that you could hold on to. This is such a phenomenal tribute and testament to him! I know he is smiling and encouraging you and always has.

Please know that I love you, appreciate you, respect you and also cry over the pain you encountered. I will say a prayer that Our Father keeps you in His perfect peace. If there is ever anything I can do to aid you in anyway, please do not hesitate to ask or let me know.

I commend you for sharing with us and the ability to open up with us on this painful subject. I know others will be helped and reminded that they are not alone and can reach out for help - because it is there.

I agree with you and so much appreciate your analysis of why a child would turn to drugs or attempt suicide. This makes sense. Something more was behind Freddie's pain that we may never know. You have given us a better understanding of the dynamics of a adolescent that is troubled.

Caring,

Atlangel

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Chicosladyfair,
I'm so sorry for what you had to go through.
How devastating for you.
I am so glad that you were able to get help so you could be here today to encourage and inspire us all.
God bless you

I want to thank you all for your understanding and support...I was hoping to maybe shed some light on the state of mind of someone who has been traumatized by an unhappy childhood and in reading the posts here and on the other thread about Freddie's dad I can't help but feel something about his home life. We will never know the answers we seek about what drove such a talented young man to the brink of self-destruction. Maybe it's not for us to know. Maybe Karl resented Freddie. From what I have learned Karl had a drinking problem. He also lost a child to a tragic drowning. Does anybody know if the little girl died before Freddie was born? I truly and sincerely hope I'm wrong...but something inside me tells me that Karl may have been violent toward Freddie. Maybe he resented the fact that Freddie couldn't and never would replace the child he lost. I think we could pick these things apart all day long and never come up with an answer or a reason why Freddie lost it the way he did. But I think it helps us to talk about it...for our own sake. Thank you all for being there for me. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I think Karls child that died was form his first marriage...

Yep, Cheryl, you're correct.

I was just thinking about this subject today . Then I found it in the mesaage board.
Freddie was so hung up on the drugs to keep himself sane through out his ordeal with his divorce, not being able to see his son and the pressures of CATM and his stand up.
I not suprise he hadn't died sooner with what he was taking !
I was upset when his birthday came. Then I focused on the laughter and love he gave to everyone around him then and now. I still constantly think of his love and joy he has given us today with the reruns and clubs. Thanks everyone for there continued love and support for all us Freddie fanatics !

My CAN YOU HEAR THE LAUGHTER video arrived today. Can't wait to watch it tonite! It'll probably be sad...

Cheryl....You will be.

Chicosladyfair - I'm sorry I must've missed this post. When I read your post I shuddered because this subject had indeed crossed my mind about Freddie. Back then 1975-77, those subjects were not spoken about. When I think of what could've driven a person to do an act like he did to himself it has got to be something in his home life that we're not aware of. As for you.... I am truly, truly sorry you went through such unspeakable hurt and pain. I may not know your exact pain but, believe me.... I understand because I have been through pain a couple of times in my life. GOD is with you now.........

It didn't necessarily have to be his home life....Maybe it was just the turn his life took with all the events that went down so suddenly...As for the drugs when he was younger,well, it's kinda like a kid thing...you tell them not to do and they turn around and do it...and maybe he did it and things just got out of hand and he didn't want to hurt his mother so he kept this drug thing to himself....Chicosladyfair...I know your exact pain and I have tried everything from alcohol to drugs to try and forget...it doesn't work...only time heals all wounds with the help of God.

Chica,
You're absolutely right...nothing makes you forget. Time heals all with the love of God.
I'm not going to speculate anymore on what made Freddie do drugs or want to hurt himself. I wasn't there. Those things are between him and God and I'm sure he has worked those issues out and has forgiven those who have done him wrong.

The movie is sooo sad at the end. It'll have ya bawling yer eyes out or something...

Originally posted by Peko:
I never thought it was peer pressure, especially when I read how Freddie almost overdosed when he was a teenager. I think his Mom should have seeked help for him then. I think it was something eating at him.

You know something,I have this gut feeling he was plagued with Bi-polar but it just so happens that back then,It wasn't recognized as much as it is now.

As we all know,Bi-Polar is chemical inbalance of the brain.Freddie had most of the symptoms of it.His moods would change immediately,It's like an emotional roller-coaster.

Manic:Feelings of Hopelessness,Worthlessness,Unmotivation,No future,Re-ocurring thoughts of suicide,Low-self esteem.

Mania:High-self esteem,Positive out-look on life and the future,Determined,Confidence.



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Originally posted by chicosladyfair:
I am a firm believer that a well rounded, well adjusted young adult does not seek out the comfort of drugs unless there is something going on in his life that is disturbing to him. I want to tell you all something that has been a well kept secret of mine. Only one other person on these boards knows about this. I feel comfortable enough to share this with you all. When I was 9 my mother divorced my father and married another man. This man molested me from the ages of 9 to 12. This was all from 1974-77. Do those dates sound familiar to anyone? They should. Freddie/Chico was my safe place to go during these times. He was sort of like a hero to me I guess. To me, Freddie was the image of a human being that would never hurt anybody. Freddie shot himself on Jan. 28, 1977 and the last time my step-father touched me was Feb. 7, 1977. Freddie was my saving grace. As for the drugs...I started doing them when I was 14 and continued until 11 years ago. I have 11 years clean and sober. But...I got HELP! I went through the counseling and the therapy. And through the 12-step programs.
Now, I'm not saying that what happened to me happened to Freddie, but I do know through my years of therapy that a kid doesn't just go off and do drugs cause he's bored. He doesn't try to committ suicide just because there's nothing better to do. There was a deep, deep depression inside Freddie that made him do what he did. I couldn't swear by it or anything else, but there was something in his childhood that drove him to the thoughts he had. I hope I haven't cast a dim light on this thread for anybody...maybe I can get someone to speak out and realize that there are others out there who have been through the same thing. God bless each one of you and thank you for letting me share this. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

It makes me happy to know that you've gotten through that difficult time I your life.Freddie probably would've been over-joyed that he at least helped someone through tough times.See,Now it's confirmed that Freddie Lives on !!! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'm glad that you're doing much better though! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Whatever the reason being for his addiction,its such a tragedy it happened. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif we all wish he would have got the help he needed.Its a horrible world we live in and someday God will bring justice to evil doers that hurt defenceless little childrens.To me hurting a child is the sickest most offel thing a human being can do.I will never understand it in the least but I pray God helps you get through your pain.and Cheryl I thought ya had that movie or I would have taped it for ya.I wish they would have showed more of a gentler sweet kind side of Freddie in that movie.In my opinion they didnt.God bless you all!

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You know, I was just thinking today that perhaps Freddie was a victim of bipolar disorder! Ironic that someone should bring this up. But for me there is a question of which came first, the disorder or the drugs? Even if his home life was in his opinion problematic and he was using that to justify to himself his drug use, he may not have had an actual mental disease until the drugs took hold.

As for the movie, I haven't watched it since the first time Luckymama visited me, but it is still vivid and frightening to me how much of a horrible person it makes him seem to be! I agree there should have been--still should be--a movie which portrays his sweet, gentle, generous and gregarious self!

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"A friend is faithful, trusting, and helpful, someone that realizes your imperfections and stands by you."--Freddie Prinze

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The movie is so sad. At the end when he died, I went all to pieces. It'll have ya grabbing hankys. I bought the movie off of E-Bay for around $2.99. I didn't want to pay too much for it since he wasn't in it. I wish they had portrayed a better side of him. I'd love to see a movie showing the happier nicer side of Freddie instead of this dark side stuff. If they put the drugs in it okay just don't make him out to be such a bad guy...

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Originally posted by MariposaLKB:
You know, I was just thinking today that perhaps Freddie was a victim of bipolar disorder! Ironic that someone should bring this up. But for me there is a question of which came first, the disorder or the drugs? Even if his home life was in his opinion problematic and he was using that to justify to himself his drug use, he may not have had an actual mental disease until the drugs took hold.

As for the movie, I haven't watched it since the first time Luckymama visited me, but it is still vivid and frightening to me how much of a horrible person it makes him seem to be! I agree there should have been--still should be--a movie which portrays his sweet, gentle, generous and gregarious self!



Right! It was strange because from reading his book,his moods would change so quickly.That's what led be to believe that he poosily could've had it.

Originally posted by MariposaLKB
You know, I was just thinking today that perhaps Freddie was a victim of bipolar disorder! Ironic that someone should bring this up. But for me there is a question of which came first, the disorder or the drugs? Even if his home life was in his opinion problematic and he was using that to justify to himself his drug use, he may not have had an actual mental disease until the drugs took hold.

As for the movie, I haven't watched it since the first time Luckymama visited me, but it is still vivid and frightening to me how much of a horrible person it makes him seem to be! I agree there should have been--still should be--a movie which portrays his sweet, gentle, generous and gregarious self!

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"A friend is faithful, trusting, and helpful, someone that realizes your imperfections and stands by you."--Freddie Prinze

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Well,I'm not sure but alot of people whom have the disorder take drugs because they don't want to deal with it(The disorder).But I do strongly feel that him being picked on when he was younger may have scarred his soul.Maybe that played a part in his pain and suffering among other things. :(

First, I want to say I am deeply sorry to hear about what you had to go thru ChicosLadyFair. That must have been a horrible ordeal, but I am very happy to hear that you overcame your dependency....11 years!!!! Wow! That is quite an accomplishment. I do understand that things that happen to us early in our childhood can affect the rest of our lives.

I had an incident happen to me which I have never shared with anyone, and had blocked out of my memory for a very long time. One day it hit me like a ton of bricks.....for a long time I didn't handle it very well. I probably should have talked to someone about it but I just couldn't. Even in the 80's you just didn't talk about these things. Eventually, I realized it wasn't my fault and I got past it. Thank God I have put it behind me now, but we are not all so fortunate.

We will never know exactly what happened to Freddie to cause his pain and drive him to his death. Sometimes a scarred soul just never heals....like you said, all the picking on him as a kid, maybe not getting along with his dad, amoung other things. Also, tho, the bi-polar/manic depressant thing..... very possible. From all that I have read he was moody, had trouble focusing his attention for a long period of time (aka A.D.H.D). There were no treatments for this stuff at that time. Had he really seeked treatment, they would have treated him as an addict, not an individual with a chemical imbalance or illness. Plus, we have to remember....in the 70's it was cool to get high....(hec, I remember people referring to Qualudes as disco asprin).... It was NOT cool to do an intervention like today. I think TODAY you see more people try to help eachother get straight, not get high (like the Robert Downey Jr. situation). If he had only had the advantage of being diagnosed properly, he may have gotten the correct medication, INSTEAD he self-medicated.

All I know is I'd love to get my hands on that quack of a doctor that gave him those qualudes. I guess if you pay a doctor or anyone enough, they'll give anything you want. So much for that oath they take ...huh..

Originally posted by Peko
I never thought it was peer pressure, especially when I read how Freddie almost overdosed when he was a teenager. I think his Mom should have seeked help for him then. I think it was something eating at him.

I agree,Something was.

Originally posted by tylersmistress2002
First, I want to say I am deeply sorry to hear about what you had to go thru ChicosLadyFair. That must have been a horrible ordeal, but I am very happy to hear that you overcame your dependency....11 years!!!! Wow! That is quite an accomplishment. I do understand that things that happen to us early in our childhood can affect the rest of our lives.

I had an incident happen to me which I have never shared with anyone, and had blocked out of my memory for a very long time. One day it hit me like a ton of bricks.....for a long time I didn't handle it very well. I probably should have talked to someone about it but I just couldn't. Even in the 80's you just didn't talk about these things. Eventually, I realized it wasn't my fault and I got past it. Thank God I have put it behind me now, but we are not all so fortunate.

We will never know exactly what happened to Freddie to cause his pain and drive him to his death. Sometimes a scarred soul just never heals....like you said, all the picking on him as a kid, maybe not getting along with his dad, amoung other things. Also, tho, the bi-polar/manic depressant thing..... very possible. From all that I have read he was moody, had trouble focusing his attention for a long period of time (aka A.D.H.D). There were no treatments for this stuff at that time. Had he really seeked treatment, they would have treated him as an addict, not an individual with a chemical imbalance or illness. Plus, we have to remember....in the 70's it was cool to get high....(hec, I remember people referring to Qualudes as disco asprin).... It was NOT cool to do an intervention like today. I think TODAY you see more people try to help eachother get straight, not get high (like the Robert Downey Jr. situation). If he had only had the advantage of being diagnosed properly, he may have gotten the correct medication, INSTEAD he self-medicated.

All I know is I'd love to get my hands on that quack of a doctor that gave him those qualudes. I guess if you pay a doctor or anyone enough, they'll give anything you want. So much for that oath they take ...huh..

Very true,I agree. :) :(

*Sigh* The things that could have been done.:(

And that doctor wasn't helping the situation either among other people. :mad:

chico ladysfair its so sad what happen to you. no child ever needs to go though what you did. and i also say this it takes a lady whos strong in heart to share this with us. just leave it in the lords hand god will take care of you and no this it was never youre fault it was your step father . and iam glad that freddy was there to help you. in a away me and him are a like we would never hurt a human being . ever!!!! i have a high reguard for human lives and repect other and treat those the way i like to be treated . so if theres anything i can do please let me know .. when i say hello gang i also mean you . and iam very glad youre still here with us and that iam glad freddy was there for you and that you got help to get of those drugs ... so if you need a friend iam here .. i hope you and youre family have a very merry christmas and a happy new year 2002 and may you know the peace in joy that our lord has given us ... his son..... god bless you and keep you.. chico and the man 2.. if you want to get in touch with me heres my e-mail its www.rom200099@msn.com please feel free to right me any time . :wave: bye dear friend.

I hope this is the right thread to put this on. I've started reading Freddie's Mom's book all over again & it had me crying & breaking out the hankies all over again. In it she said that just before he died, he had went to Vegas & gambled which he never did. I had read where he wouldn't gamble cuz he believed it was wicked & sinful. So I figured he must've been on drugs pretty bad to have done something that was so against his morals like that... :crying: