What's your opinion about Gays? Do you make fun of them, are you gay yourself, or do you just love to hang around them, but you aren't gay!

Nate

UuUuMmMmM I LOVE EM!!! :D One of mah best friends is gay - he's a sweetie - and extremely funny - :D

They don't bother me.

Ummm, this is kind of a weird topic. Some people could get offended by it. I mean would you post the same topic about African Americans, Jewish, Asians? I think it's a little off base.

I could care less- It's none of my business what people's prefrence is...When people start trying to get attention because there gay....that just gets on my nerves.

I think its wrong to be gay but i dont really care for gays

Im not gay but I knew some gay people in California. I dont agree with their lifestyle, but I dont care as long as they are nice.

I like gay people. they are cooler than straight people. straight people are losers. because gay people are more ready accept you for whatever you are because theya re different too. i dont even think being gay is weird or odd. Just another thing someone can be. whoever posted this topid was a bit of an *******.

I do not have a seperate opinion for them because there is nothing different about homosexuals. SEXUAL PREFERANCE does not matter when determining the value of the person. It's their personality that ovverides all these classifications that people put on others. I have no idea why it's so hard for some people to see that. Do you seperate people who wear Old Navy than those who wear Abercrombie, AE, Aeropastle, or others? (I don't know if I spelled all those right, but I'm just trying to make a point) No. It'd be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Then why seperate people who have a different sexual preference than yours? It doesn't make sense and it's stupid if you use the person's sexual preference as a basis for hating them.

Originally posted by Original Prankster
I do not have a seperate opinion for them because there is nothing different about homosexuals. SEXUAL PREFERANCE does not matter when determining the value of the person. It's their personality that ovverides all these classifications that people put on others. I have no idea why it's so hard for some people to see that. Do you seperate people who wear Old Navy than those who wear Abercrombie, AE, Aeropastle, or others? (I don't know if I spelled all those right, but I'm just trying to make a point) No. It'd be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Then why seperate people who have a different sexual preference than yours? It doesn't make sense and it's stupid if you use the person's sexual preference as a basis for hating them.

RIGHT ON!



Nate

hey whatever floats your boa...as long as they dont like me its all good

We are ALL God's children, whether we're straight or gay, white or black, tall or short, old or young, male or female, able-bodied or disabled, or whatever our differences are. I have no problem with homosexuals. I feel they deserve the same rights, protection, and respect as heterosexuals.

So, what if I said..."Do you like me? Even though I'm straight???

Seriously, I dont have a problem with them...why would I? I dont base my opinions about people on what sexual preference they have.

Well since I am bi... of course I like them.. I like people for who they are not what their sexual preference is.

Originally posted by ~°~RockAngel89~°~
I think its wrong to be gay but i dont really care for gays I AGREE 100%:D

i dont think its right but im not going to dislike them because of it.

(only i must add that i hate when people who are bi think they can have a bf AND a gf...that seriously annoys me. its like..i like guys with brown hair and red hair, can i have one of each?)

I don't care if a person is gay or straight. The only thing that matters to me is if a person has a good personality . This is kind of a weird question, but whatever.

You think I, of all people, care? HELL NO!!! :rock:

Originally posted by MaRtInA_GuRL
Im not gay but I knew some gay people in California. I dont agree with their lifestyle, but I dont care as long as they are nice. I TOTALLY AGREE for me its more like whats on the inside that counts and GAY GUYS are ALOT nicer usually then straight guys (atleast they are to me) and they make AWESOME Bestfriends the only thing that BUGS ME is when one hits on me Cause I'M TOTALLY straight

i am bi(and proud of it) so yes i like gay people. i have many gay and bi friends and i love every single one of them.

I don't know what i am. I definately like guys. but if a girl wanted to go out with me I sure as hell wouldn't mind it.

Heh... im weird.

My friend reads this board. shes going to be scared of me now.

Originally posted by ~°~RockAngel89~°~
I think its wrong to be gay

Why is it wrong? Gay people don't do anything wrong they just find love or happiness with some one in the same sex. It sucks that people are so stupid to hate someone because of that. Just my opinion.

I see people here saying "As long as they don't hit on me, I'm fine". Well Jesus Christ people! They can't tell by just looking at you weather or not your gay. You say you don't mind them, but then once they hit on you, your bugged. If one hits on you all you have to do is tell them NICELY tht your straight and bing bang boom, your done with it.

Anyways...I don't have a problem at all. I actually couldn't care less who likes who. I have some gay friends and they are totally cool

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
I like gay people. they are cooler than straight people. straight people are losers. because gay people are more ready accept you for whatever you are because theya re different too. i dont even think being gay is weird or odd. Just another thing someone can be. whoever posted this topid was a bit of an *******. i have no problem with gay people. you shouldnt say straight people are losers.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
I don't know what i am. I definately like guys. but if a girl wanted to go out with me I sure as hell wouldn't mind it.

Heh... im weird.

My friend reads this board. shes going to be scared of me now.

You crack me up!!!!!:rotflmao:

LET'S ALLLLLL FLY OUR FREAK FLAG HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


You crack me up!!!!!:rotflmao:

LET'S ALLLLLL FLY OUR FREAK FLAG HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*holds up freak flag* All hail the mighty freak.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


*holds up freak flag* All hail the mighty freak.

WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!! WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!! :notworthy :notworthy

rigghhhhttttt......

I don't have a problem with them. One of my close friends is gay and he's the sweetest guy ever. You can't tell just by looking at people whether they are gay or not and it bothers me when people judge others just by looking at them and saying, "Oh, they're gay." How the hell would you know??? Gay people are just like everyone else except they like people of the same sex, what's wrong with that as long as they experience love?

WTF????????????????????????????????

I have something to admit..........

I am Bisexual.

What do u think now?:stupid:



Nate

Originally posted by RainMan
WTF????????????????????????????????

I have something to admit..........

I am Bisexual.

What do u think now?:stupid:



Nate

COOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

Originally posted by ILoveLucyfan4eva
I don't have a problem with them. One of my close friends is gay and he's the sweetest guy ever. You can't tell just by looking at people whether they are gay or not and it bothers me when people judge others just by looking at them and saying, "Oh, they're gay." How the hell would you know??? Gay people are just like everyone else except they like people of the same sex, what's wrong with that as long as they experience love?
I know this girl, at school, and shes gay, and I knew it from the minute I saw her.

She doesnt do anything to guyish either. She always wears skirts, and at the time had long brown hair. She's all gothic and stuff and i met her she was wearign a black long skirt and black boots and a black shirt with a bright Blue "Freshman Orientation" shirt on over top of it, cause she was helping out with freshman orientation (shes a junior). Not what you would call gay rite? Well all she did was walk past me and I was like "Oh, she's gay." and its true.

Originally posted by RainMan
WTF????????????????????????????????

I have something to admit..........

I am Bisexual.

What do u think now?:stupid:



Nate

Frankly my dear, I don't think anybody gives a damn.

Originally posted by RainMan
WTF????????????????????????????????

I have something to admit..........

I am Bisexual.

What do u think now?:stupid:



Uh.......I don't care...? I don't judge people by their prefrence in sex.... one of my best friends in the world is bi-sexual...

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
I like gay people.... straight people are losers.
Sounds to me like you're heterophobic.

Originally posted by RainMan
WTF????????????????????????????????

I have something to admit..........

I am Bisexual.

What do u think now?:stupid:



Nate

coooooool beaaaaaaaaaanssssssss

Originally posted by Janice

Sounds to me like you're heterophobic.

naw. All my friends are straight. I dont really have a problem with em. Gay GUYS are better than Straight guys tho. They just seem nicer. but i dont have a problem with straight people. or anyoen. i really dont care.

Originally posted by briandamage
Ummm, this is kind of a weird topic. Some people could get offended by it. I mean would you post the same topic about African Americans, Jewish, Asians? I think it's a little off base.
No kidding. Of course, it's still open season on gays, political correctly speaking. Someone wouldn't post the same topic on the subjects you mentioned because it wouldn't be tolerated. Someone, forget who, once said that homophobia was the last accepted predjudice.

I think Dana means that many "straight" guys seem to be caught up in this self-conscious macho posturing. "Sensitivity is for weenies."

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
I think Dana means that many "straight" guys seem to be caught up in this self-conscious macho posturing. "Sensitivity is for weenies."

yeah. thanks for saying what i was trying to. lol. im dumb.

I don;t have a real problem with gays but I don;t know. They just kinda irratate me. I don't really know why but they do to me.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


yeah. thanks for saying what i was trying to. lol. im dumb.

You're not dumb. You're smarter than a lot of people on here.
People think you're "mean" but you're not.

Okay, you're mean. To the people who so richly deserve it!!!!:smash: :lol:

I have just finished reading a book called "Stranger At the Gate"
by Mel White. He tells of his journey of being a miserable closet homosexual who was married and tried to pretend he was straight and how he came to accept himself as a gay man. All the time he was married he had a lucrative career as a speechwriter and ghostwriter for big-name Christian figures such as Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and others. He was a total
hardcore evangelical, but felt tortured over his homosexual yearnings. He tried every trick in the book to "cure" himself and came close to killing himself several times when they did not work.
He finally had to accept who he was and that God loved and accepted him as being gay.

well i dont have a problem with gays. i have a friend who is gay. hes nice and hes a cool guy, so it doesnt really bother me. i mean, i was at an amusement park once with my 1 friend and there were these 2 gay guys like makin out. i dont have a problem with it, i just thought that was really gross. im glad that they were proud but still keep it to yourself. gays are just people. i mean thinking of being gay sorta gives me the creeps but i dont like think the people are evil. i just look at them as normal as any1 else.

I have a question...how long has homosexuality been around?? I mean, if you say forever, then dont you think we'd have accepted it by now?

Originally posted by AliciaKeysForever
I have a question...how long has homosexuality been around?? I mean, if you say forever, then dont you think we'd have accepted it by now?

Probably since the beginning of the human race. Some people these days act as if it were some fad started by Boy George or
whoever just to piss off the heteros...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by AliciaKeysForever
I have a question...how long has homosexuality been around?? I mean, if you say forever, then dont you think we'd have accepted it by now? I'm not sure if your question was rhetorical or if your comment about accepting it by now was rhetorical. I am sure though that the answer to your question is most certainly-- forever.

Originally posted by Silver Daze


Why is it wrong? Gay people don't do anything wrong they just find love or happiness with some one in the same sex. It sucks that people are so stupid to hate someone because of that. Just my opinion.
I dont have nething against gays but i heard that it says it says in the bible not to be gay. But if other ppl are happy being gay then thats whats best for em i guess.

I hate it how the bible and "Watchdog Sites" say that being gay is wrong.I mean I don't LOVE gays but I don't hate them.As long as they are happy with what they are then I'm happy with what they are.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
I could care less- It's none of my business what people's prefrence is...When people start trying to get attention because there gay....that just gets on my nerves.
Same here. I dont care if your gay, white, pink, purple, or Jewish. But I dont like it when "minorities" always focus on their minorities and if they get turned down for something, they automatically think its because theyre black, white, gay, or pink. Could it possible be that maybe, theyre just a plain old ********? I mean, Im as equal as the next guy, so it pisses me off when minorities act like they still are. Yeah, maybe physically they look different & stand out, but most of society has moved on. They should too.
I didnt vote because I dont love them, and I dont hate them. They dont bother me, but I dont go running around to find a gay person. I couldn't give a flying **** what someone is. I accept everything. I judge people on their personalities, not for what they look like or their lifestyles. We all put our pants on the same way.

Originally posted by Janice
Someone, forget who, once said that homophobia was the last accepted predjudice.
In a way thats true. They make a joke on it on TV like parents dont wanting their kids to grow up gay. Fathers dont want their sons with dolls, etc.. They accept it, but not for their own children. Its more of an embarassment though to them than an acceptance. THEY WILL accept it, but theyre more worried what people will think of them. JMO. Anyone else feel that way?

I dont understand this whole "My best friend is gay" "Everyone in town is gay" stuff. Im friends with a bunch of straight people. Ya, so?? I dunno.. do you know what I mean?? LOl. Its like everyone is saying that to make it seem like who accepts gays most. I dunno. Do I make any sense? LOl.:crazy:

Oops. Meant to EDIT instead of QUOTE. SOB.

Hello :wave:

I don't have any problems with gays at all. I think it is cool that they are standing up for their rights as well as the respect they deserve. I am glad to see that gays and homosexuality are becoming more accepted in our society. Back in the early days, homosexuality wasn't tolerated that much and was often looked down on. I recall that Rock Hudson led two seperate lives at the same time because he didn't want the public and the press to know that he was gay. If the press found out that he was a homosexual then his whole entire career would been ruined. He didn't want that to happen so he tried to keep quiet as much as he could about it. That must have been rough for him. Trying to be someone who he wasn't and secretly hiding his true identity. But some good did come out it though. He gave an example and obviously that example I think has influenced how society looks upon gays. I can on and on about this subject but I think I said enough already.


Anyways, Great question! :):thumbsup:

Yeah, I don't have a problem with it obviously.

They're alright, It really depends on the person. If they're nice then yes, I do like them.

I am....

I really dont care what people think about it...however, i dont think u can compare it to race/sex....i think racism is more worse than homophobia personally....

forget it

Originally posted by Avril Lavigne
Well, I don't really care. I think its sick how two guys will be making out in public all on top of each other and then when someone says something about them like "ew!" they are all "YOU ARE JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE UR PREJUDICE!" its like hell no it looks sick. I'm straight, I've only been with guys and I have long hair, wear makeup, dress like a girl, even though I do think some girls are hott! If I got to marry Avril, I swear to god I would but thats off topic lol, I don't have a problem with anyone its like so what? It's the person inside that counts!

you need to stop obsessing over avril. it's becomeing a health hazard to avril and her body guards.

I don't care. I don't think it's anybody's business tho unless you feel like telling someone you're gay. I hate when people are like "Yeah, I got laid last night!" I don't care, do people think they're special or something? I mean dogs can screw, it's just a natural thing. I try not to judge people anymore. I don't care what you are.

Originally posted by Jinny Girl


you need to stop obsessing over avril. it's becomeing a health hazard to avril and her body guards.

Avril roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooocks!

This post is rather disturbing now. . .At first when I read it and posted I didn't think anything of it - But people who post "being gay is wrong" and "I don't agree with their lifestyle" just get me irratated - What "lifestlye" are you talking about? The fact that they find males more attractive than females? The fact that to be happy themselves in a relationship they would rather spend time with a guy? The only thing Gays and Lesbians have different than us straight people is their sexual preference. They're normal people . They do the same things we do. They shop, they wear clothes, they know how to talk, walk, write. . .There isn't much of a difference between myself and my best friend who's gay - other than the fact that I can talk to him about who's hot and get his opinion on him also. . .I understand that those are just YOUR opinions - but when u post - "I don't agree with their lifetstlye" what is it you don't agree with? Them trying to be happy just like us straight people? Or....:confused:

Originally posted by Sitcomwriter
I hate it how the bible and "Watchdog Sites" say that being gay is wrong.I mean I don't LOVE gays but I don't hate them.As long as they are happy with what they are then I'm happy with what they are.

Well God had a purpose for having that put in the Bible, I don't think it was done to be mean. I do study the Bible a lot and agree about what it says about scripture about husbands finding a wife only, so I really can't condone the homosexual lifestyle, but everyone is still human and God would frown upon those who show predjudice to those who are different. Everyone has feelings and should be treated with some degree of respect. I am not gonna sit up here and call gays people a list of names out of hate, that would not be fair because I don't think God would do that. I believe everyone should find something good about a person. This may sound a little too polyanna like but deep down there is good in everyone. LOL.

Originally posted by ThomasE


Well God had a purpose for having that put in the Bible, I don't think it was done to be mean. I do study the Bible a lot and agree about what it says about scripture about husbands finding a wife only, so I really can't condone the homosexual lifestyle, but everyone is still human and God would frown upon those who show predjudice to those who are different. Everyone has feelings and should be treated with some degree of respect. I am not gonna sit up here and call gays people a list of names out of hate, that would not be fair because I don't think God would do that. I believe everyone should find something good about a person. This may sound a little too polyanna like but deep down there is good in everyone. LOL.

Whatever lol. I don't read the Bible because I am not religous but I believe in God.



Nate

Originally posted by RainMan


Whatever lol. I don't read the Bible because I am not religous but I believe in God.



Nate

same here. At least for this week. I change religions bi monthly. I have been everything.

Originally posted by RainMan


Whatever lol. I don't read the Bible because I am not religous but I believe in God.



Nate

What is with the "whatever LOL" remark? That is not necessary. I am not knocking anybody on the board ! I am not religious either Nate, but I do believe in God and I believe in his teachings through his word. I believe God existed before different Religions occured anyway. Religion has been defined as man's attempt to get closer to God. To get to know God, you don't follow man's way. God is not religion. God is God alone.

Everyone in my town is like VERY religous so it's not like i can announce to everyone my sexuality.



Nate

To you people who say you have nothng against gays and lesbians, but cannot condone their sexual preferance when acted upon, please explain something to the rest of us. You say that God's word according to the bible says that homosexuality is wrong. And so, therefore, you repeat to us that homosexuality is wrong and a sin and can not be condoned. But you don't expain what it is that's wrong about it aside from your intepretation of the bible. What's wrong about it?

Originally posted by kittflynn
To you people who say you have nothng against gays and lesbians, but cannot condone their sexual preferance when acted upon, please explain something to the rest of us. You say that God's word according to the bible says that homosexuality is wrong. And so, therefore, you repeat to us that homosexuality is wrong and a sin and can not be condoned. But you don't expain what it is that's wrong about it aside from your intepretation of the bible. What's wrong about it?

oh god...not this again, Are we going to have another debate on the definition of sex......argh...

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


oh god...not this again, Are we going to have another debate on the definition of sex......argh...

LMFAO

Originally posted by RainMan


LMFAO

pervert :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


oh god...not this again, Are we going to have another debate on the definition of sex......argh... Since that wasn't at all the question, I take it you don't know how to answer the question? This isn't a debate it's just a simple question. You can answer it or, as you have chosen to do so far, you can pretend not to understand the question.

I feel that people should all be treated with the same respect. The bible may say gays are wrong, but some people preaching the bible have molested children.

Originally posted by kittflynn
Since that wasn't at all the question, I take it you don't know how to answer the question? This isn't a debate it's just a simple question. You can answer it or, as you have chosen to do so far, you can pretend not to understand the question.

Yeah...but thats what it is going to end up as...I don't have to answer it because Im not getting in a fight with you...and I could care less if you agree with me. The only reason I think Homosexual sex is a sin is because it is sex out of marriage....That's my opinion that I have been taught and accept it, maybe someone else can elaborate on their opinions... Quit trying to make it seem I am so 'wrong' because I dont want to get in a fight with you..It doesn't fly with me....Thats all I have to say about this thread...

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


Yeah...but thats what it is going to end up as...I don't have to answer it because Im not getting in a fight with you...and I could care less if you agree with me. The only reason I think Homosexual sex is a sin is because it is sex out of marriage....That's my opinion that I have been taught and accept it, maybe someone else can elaborate on their opinions... Quit trying to make it seem I am so 'wrong' because I dont want to get in a fight with you..It doesn't fly with me....Thats all I have to say about this thread... It must be nice to think that you're the center of the universe but, really, I wasn't asking you. I was asking anyone who would care to answer. So...calm down

Originally posted by kittflynn
It must be nice to think that you're the center of the universe but, really, I wasn't asking you. I was asking anyone who would care to answer. So...calm down
Ohh... but Chris is always the center of attention!!:lol:



Ok, I believe in the Bible and God, etc.. but about homosexuality being a sin-- thats bull. It might be a sin to the Bible, but in my eyes, its just nature. Everyone sins everyday, so even if you are straight, you're not perfect.

I dont care if someone is gay, i dont see why it's such big of a deal.....

Originally posted by la0919
i don't guess i really mind gay people all that much. but i have to be truthful here....when i think about two guys together, or two girls together for that matter, it makes me sick...it's not natural...it makes me want to :puke:
so instead of hating gays, i just try not to pay them any attention. oh god i'm getting sick just thinking about it. LOL....awwwww they can't help it tho....

Originally posted by RainMan
WTF????????????????????????????????

I have something to admit..........

I am Bisexual.

What do u think now?:stupid:



Nate

well personally i find you disgusting and i think you started this thread just to get attention. you poor sick little boy

Originally posted by SFPDJinnyExstead
This post is rather disturbing now. . .At first when I read it and posted I didn't think anything of it - But people who post "being gay is wrong" and "I don't agree with their lifestyle" just get me irratated -
okay let me get this straight....you can post your gay loving opinion but those of us who don't like gays can't say so?!? talk about a stupid. it is an opinion poll
:mad:

Originally posted by mark55


well personally i find you disgusting and i think you started this thread just to get attention. you poor sick little boy

haha I agree....these are the kind of gay people I just cant stand....He has to start 43213553 threads to tell us hes bi...who cares! Honestly!

Great question. I definitely believe gay people exist, but I dont really have an opinion about aliens or unicorns or anything. It would be cool if those existed ,too, I guess.

Originally posted by mark55

okay let me get this straight....you can post your gay loving opinion but those of us who don't like gays can't say so?!? talk about a stupid. it is an opinion poll
:mad: .....You can and should be allowed to post whatever opinion however wrong and bigotted it is! :)

Originally posted by RainMan
Everyone in my town is like VERY religous so it's not like i can announce to everyone my sexuality.



Nate
so why do you feel the need to tell us? are you starved for gay lovin or something.

Originally posted by kittflynn
To you people who say you have nothng against gays and lesbians, but cannot condone their sexual preferance when acted upon, please explain something to the rest of us. You say that God's word according to the bible says that homosexuality is wrong. And so, therefore, you repeat to us that homosexuality is wrong and a sin and can not be condoned. But you don't expain what it is that's wrong about it aside from your intepretation of the bible. What's wrong about it?

what is wrong about it??????!!!!!????? you can not be serious! you really don't get how un-natural it is for to men to have sex. and i'm not even sure sex is the right word for it. but anyway...you are not supposed to put things IN the Out hole. not natural. and the point of having sex is to reproduce. how are two men supposed to do that? they can't. a man and a woman together, that is how it was meant to be and that is how it should be. and as for the ladies....well, i don't see how that would work either. you need sperm and an egg. how you gonna get that without both a man and a woman. damn it all to hell you gays are such ****!!!!!! and that's the nicest way i can put it

Originally posted by mark55


what is wrong about it??????!!!!!????? you can not be serious! you really don't get how un-natural it is for to men to have sex. and i'm not even sure sex is the right word for it. but anyway...you are not supposed to put things IN the Out hole. not natural. and the point of having sex is to reproduce. how are two men supposed to do that? they can't. a man and a woman together, that is how it was meant to be and that is how it should be. and as for the ladies....well, i don't see how that would work either. you need sperm and an egg. how you gonna get that without both a man and a woman. damn it all to hell you gays are such ****!!!!!! and that's the nicest way i can put it the sole purpose of sex isnt to reproduce! are u sayin that ppl who use birthcontrol are commiting a SIN!?!?!?!?!?!?

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤


Ok, I believe in the Bible and God, etc.. but about homosexuality being a sin-- thats bull. It might be a sin to the Bible, but in my eyes, its just nature. Everyone sins everyday, so even if you are straight, you're not perfect.

nobody said straight people were perfect. straight people sin and so do queers. as a matter of fact i've been sinning my whole, that is nature, human nature. and queers sin too, not just because they are queer but because they are human. all sins are equal in the eyes of God. Stealing and murder in the eyes of God are the same, they are sins and he frowns upon both of those sins equally. same goes for being gay. and i'llbet God is frowning on me right now for being such an ******* and having such a field day over this post. i know i'm not perfect, i also know i'm not gay! so there

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
the sole purpose of sex isnt to reproduce! are u sayin that ppl who use birthcontrol are commiting a SIN!?!?!?!?!?!?
no i'm not saying that. i'm saying that in the beginning the purpose of sex was to reproduce. those who use birthcontrol are just playing it safe untill the time comes when they are ready for children...they're not sinning. and most likely if they use birthcontrol they are having sex with the opposite sex!

and what if you NEVER want to have children?

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
and what if you NEVER want to have children?
that is not a sin either. it is a sin to have "sex" with some one of your same sex.

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
and what if you NEVER want to have children?
Good point. Humans and dolphins are the only "animals" on Earth that have sex for pleasure. So, if its made for reproduction purposes.. why do it for pleasure? (Ha. Just making a point there..lol)

Oh..Also Bubble..I love your avatar!

if you want to know what a sin is then maybe you should go to church....baptist church....so you won't get molested

Originally posted by mark55
if you want to know what a sin is then maybe you should go to church....baptist church....so you won't get molested Ummm, I do go to church, and it IS a baptist church only it may be different from your cuz it's mostly black even tho im not black but yaaa.....

Oh..Also Bubble..I love your avatar!
thank you!!

Originally posted by mark55
if you want to know what a sin is then maybe you should go to church....baptist church....so you won't get molested
Ugh. I GO to a Baptist Church thank you very much Pastor Mark.

if you go to church why are you having such a hard time understanding what a sin is?

oh and i like black churchs....i went a few times with a friend of mine to her church....i had fun, they were singing all load and some of the older ladies were dancing in the isles. you almost couldnt hear the preacher for all the amens coming from the congregation. yeah i like that black church....i don't know if they are all like that but...that church was fun

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Ugh. I GO to a Baptist Church thank you very much Pastor Mark.
if you go to a baptist church you shouldnt be having such a hard time understanding what i mean when i say sex is for reproducing. why do you thing god made eve? so adam could have a mate

No no no..I completly understand what a sin is, and can agree with you and everybody when you say its a sin. BUT all Im saying is that I dont consider it a sin because I accept it. Its a sin to God, but for me its whatever makes a person happy.

Originally posted by mark55
if you go to church why are you having such a hard time understanding what a sin is?

oh and i like black churchs....i went a few times with a friend of mine to her church....i had fun, they were singing all load and some of the older ladies were dancing in the isles. you almost couldnt hear the preacher for all the amens coming from the congregation. yeah i like that black church....i don't know if they are all like that but...that church was fun the piano player is gay lol.

yea the old black women still do the hooping and holering. my church is really big too. the head preacher (who's really old and hardly ever preaches) sounds like he's having an asthma attack sometimes! But I like the black choirs cuz they sound really good and I sing solo sometime and they got up and clapped for me, I dont htink they thought I could sing like that :D......... offtopic: ya......

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
the piano player is gay lol.

yea the old black women still do the hooping and holering. my church is really big too. the head preacher (who's really old and hardly ever preaches) sounds like he's having an asthma attack sometimes! But I like the black choirs cuz they sound really good and I sing solo sometime and they got up and clapped for me, I dont htink they thought I could sing like that :D......... offtopic: ya......

that's cool. i tried singing in the church chior but i was no good. sounded terrible actually

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
No no no..I completly understand what a sin is, and can agree with you and everybody when you say its a sin. BUT all Im saying is that I dont consider it a sin because I accept it. Its a sin to God, but for me its whatever makes a person happy.

okay i'm glad we got that cleared up. just so long as you understand my point that God says it is wrong

Originally posted by mark55


okay i'm glad we got that cleared up. just so long as you understand my point that God says it is wrong
LOl. I alwayd did understand..I thought YOU didnt understand ME.:crazy:

Originally posted by mark55

that's cool. i tried singing in the church chior but i was no good. sounded terrible actually
yea black ppl can really sing.......maybe the reason I can sing too is because Im 1/64th black. Black baptist churches arent like whte baptist churches tho......I remember one time coming before church got started and hearing "get your freak on" by missy elliot in the backround :lol:

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

LOl. I alwayd did understand..I thought YOU didnt understand ME.:crazy:

so you mean to tell me we were arguing for no reason at all. damn. what an idiot i turned out to be :)

Originally posted by mark55


so you mean to tell me we were arguing for no reason at all. damn. what an idiot i turned out to be :)
Oh but no. We were entertaining the crew. Take a bow.:D

Originally posted by mark55
if you want to know what a sin is then maybe you should go to church....baptist church....so you won't get molested

ok thats really offensive...idiot:rolleyes: ou cant judge every person of a certain religion for what a few people do.

Originally posted by mark55

if you go to a baptist church you shouldnt be having such a hard time understanding what i mean when i say sex is for reproducing. why do you thing god made eve? so adam could have a mate

smart one, Sex is twofold
Please
and Reproduction
its for both reasons....if it is for only one then its a sin...really....

you know after reading all of mark's crap i think there are some topics better left alone.....religion, gays, sex, abortion. i say we leave all those things alone and we will all get along perfectly.

Originally posted by la0919
you know after reading all of mark's crap i think there are some topics better left alone.....religion, gays, sex, abortion. i say we leave all those things alone and we will all get along perfectly. That wouldn't be a good idea. We should talk about anything we want to. We can't let bigots like Mark55 keep us from tossing around our thoughts.
Mark, I'm not gay -- as you assumed in one of your replies to me. And I'm not an ignorant Baptist pontificator like you come off as (No insult intended to the rest of you Baptists). I'm just a regular person who wonders how it is that people such as you justify telling the rest of us how to live, or even how to think.

Originally posted by kittflynn
To you people who say you have nothng against gays and lesbians, but cannot condone their sexual preferance when acted upon, please explain something to the rest of us. You say that God's word according to the bible says that homosexuality is wrong. And so, therefore, you repeat to us that homosexuality is wrong and a sin and can not be condoned. But you don't expain what it is that's wrong about it aside from your intepretation of the bible. What's wrong about it?


The bible is the principal thing that I do follow. Not for religious purposes, but as a tool that helps me hear from God in a way because all scripture from the bible is inspired from God. I am not about to fall into a big debate. If anyone has an issue with what I said, just send me an e-mail. Posting here does not help, even if you try to be nice about it. I am not asking people that are gay people on this board, "why are you the way you are? You are not normal!" To set the record straight I AM NOT telling anyone how to live, but shared what I have been taught. It is very annyoing when you make a post about something like that and people think you are telling them how to live. If it sounds like I am somewhat peturbed it's because I am. E-mail me if there is an issue with what I said. I'm leaving this alone. RainMan, you know I have no issue against you, even after you made that revelation. Does anyone else in your family know?

As far as anyone in this board who is homo hetero, bi, or asexual, I am not going to put you down. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect.

BTW, if anyone is interested, I will be giving out a set of tapes that I entitled, "1984". It's just going to be one episode each of the following shows:

Double Trouble
It's Your Move
Charles In Charge
Other show TBA

I like to do stuff like this around x-mas time. I will probably do it in a contest sort. It's fun. Who knows? Maybe, just maybe I will get these sent out on time. LOL.

Well, I hope nobody on here will think any less of me when I admit something. I know some people might think if a person has one bigot in the family that means the whole family is full of bigots. To put it in simple terms my father is like Archie Bunker. I don't think I have to go into that any further. He has issues with some people and I think the way he feels is silly. I love him, but some of the things he thinks is just outright dumb. So what if he sees two men or two ladies kissing. As long as people get along, who really cares. Would you rather see two people of the same sex kissing or taking out a shotgun and blowing each others brains out? I'd rather see people getting along instead of all the violence.

I hear news stories about gay people getting killed for who they are. I think that's dumb because people are people. Everybody should stand up and be proud of themselves no matter what. You also shouldn't have to hear taunts if you are different than somebody else. Again, we are all people and that's all that should matter. jmo

i dont care what ppls preferences are as long as they dont try to shove them down my throat. im not gay and have absolutely no interest in associating with people that are.

Has anyone read "Stranger at the Gate" by Mel White?

Originally posted by mark55
damn it all to hell you gays are such ****!!!!!! and that's the nicest way i can put it

You are one of the most disgusting, homophobic people I have ever 'met' in my whole entire life. You've given me the impression that you live by the Bible- and that's fine. But would God Himself actually want you going around insulting people on their lifestyles? They live different lives than you. BUT THEY ARE STILL PEOPLE. STILL PART OF THE HUMAN RACE. For Christ's sake, I think I have to spell it out. PEOPLE.

You all laugh at them because they are different. But have you ever thought that they laugh back because you are all the same?

Originally posted by ThomasE



The bible is the principal thing that I do follow. Not for religious purposes, but as a tool that helps me hear from God in a way because all scripture from the bible is inspired from God. I am not about to fall into a big debate. If anyone has an issue with what I said, just send me an e-mail. Posting here does not help, even if you try to be nice about it. I am not asking people that are gay people on this board, "why are you the way you are? You are not normal!" To set the record straight I AM NOT telling anyone how to live, but shared what I have been taught..That's all well and good Thomas. But it isn't the question I asked and it isn't the way that I, for one, intend to get an answer. I didn't ask for a debate and I didn't ask to trade e:mails And I didn't ask what your or anyone's interpretation of the bible is. What I asked is what is wrong in YOUR and anyone elses personal opinion, with people of the same sex having relations.
I saw George Carlin on HBO the other night. During his act, he did quite an entertaining and, in my opinion, truthfull diatribe about the transparentness of the Ten Commandents being a mind controling document written, not by God, but buy the same type of folks who "keep us all in line" today. If you'd like to understand where I'm coming from, watch the re-airing of that show the next time it comes on.

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


You are one of the most disgusting, homophobic people I have ever 'met' in my whole entire life. You've given me the impression that you live by the Bible- and that's fine. But would God Himself actually want you going around insulting people on their lifestyles? They live different lives than you. BUT THEY ARE STILL PEOPLE. STILL PART OF THE HUMAN RACE. For Christ's sake, I think I have to spell it out. PEOPLE.

You all laugh at them because they are different. But have you ever thought that they laugh back because you are all the same?

AND THIS GUY CALLS HIMSELF A CHRISTIAN????? :mad: Gee, mark55, I guess you have it pretty easy as a born again homophobe, no one picking on you, telling you that you're going to hell, and all that. I am a Christian--AND I BELIEVE THAT GOD ACCEPTS GAYS. You claim to live by the Bible--I guess that verse that says homosexuals should be put to death makes the corners of your mouth salivate. You scare me, mark55, if this is the extent of your concern and compassion, you don't have much of the spirit of Christ in you at all.

He'll have a field day with my sig and my "Nazi Dyke" thingie. :D

Originally posted by kittflynn

I saw George Carlin on HBO the other night. During his act, he did quite an entertaining and, in my opinion, truthfull diatribe about the transparentness of the Ten Commandents being a mind controling document written, not by God, but buy the same type of folks who "keep us all in line" today. If you'd like to understand where I'm coming from, watch the re-airing of that show the next time it comes on.


That's a great show...he's a comedian, but he makes one hell of a point!

The Bible says to love the soul, and not their actions. Therefore, to truly be a child of God, you have to love the person but hate their actions if they are gay. Being gay is a sin and those who are gay need to change their lifestyle and ask for forgiveness. You cant truly be a Christian and be gay, it's the same as being a Christian and being on drugs. The two lifestyles are completely different and you can't be both. People who are gay are in the same catagory as those who are alcoholics, druggies, and murderers if you go by the Bible. All of these are sins, for which need to be forgiven.

Originally posted by billdailyfanforever
The Bible says to love the soul, and not their actions. Therefore, to truly be a child of God, you have to love the person but hate their actions if they are gay. Being gay is a sin and those who are gay need to change their lifestyle and ask for forgiveness. You cant truly be a Christian and be gay, it's the same as being a Christian and being on drugs. The two lifestyles are completely different and you can't be both. People who are gay are in the same catagory as those who are alcoholics, druggies, and murderers if you go by the Bible. All of these are sins, for which need to be forgiven.

Oh, that is -the- biggest bunch of bull I have ever heard in my life. Because my father is an alcoholic, he's a sinner? Yes, everyone is a sinner in SOME way I suppose, but come on. Put some thought into it. Sometimes it's not people's faults they are addicted. Yes, it's their fault in the first place in the instance of accepting drugs, but a lot of people want help, and just can't get it. So that makes them a sinner? If I spend 4 years in AA and just can't do it, no matter what, that makes me a sinner? Think about it, please.

Originally posted by billdailyfanforever
The Bible says to love the soul, and not their actions. Therefore, to truly be a child of God, you have to love the person but hate their actions if they are gay. Being gay is a sin and those who are gay need to change their lifestyle and ask for forgiveness. You cant truly be a Christian and be gay, it's the same as being a Christian and being on drugs. The two lifestyles are completely different and you can't be both. People who are gay are in the same catagory as those who are alcoholics, druggies, and murderers if you go by the Bible. All of these are sins, for which need to be forgiven. "To truly be a child of God."...?What!?
If there is a god, I hope like hell that he or she will question your narrow minded view of who are his or her children! Putting people who are gay in the same category as people who murder people is sommmme kind of out their take on the equality of sexual preferance.
Electric chair for gays! Let's do it!
Is that what you want?

Originally posted by billdailyfanforever
You cant truly be a Christian and be gay, it's the same as being a Christian and being on drugs. The two lifestyles are completely different and you can't be both. People who are gay are in the same catagory as those who are alcoholics, druggies, and murderers if you go by the Bible. All of these are sins, for which need to be forgiven.


I don't think people who are gay are sinners. And, they can't be in the same category as alcoholics, drug addicts, murderers, etc. Probably the only reason that people put alcoholics, drug addicts and murderers in the bible as sins was probably because they are all risks to end your life. People can drink alot and end up dying from a heart attack, people can smoke and do other drugs and die from cancer and other diseases, and of course, murder is the worst because the person is taking another person's life who doesn't want to die. All these so far are causes of death. And, I think suicide should be an exception because people who commit suicide are probably really depressed in their life anyway and going to hell wouldn't be much better for their soul. Anyway, my point is, how can being gay be a sin if it doesn't cause death?

Originally posted by billdailyfanforever
The Bible says to love the soul, and not their actions. Therefore, to truly be a child of God, you have to love the person but hate their actions if they are gay. Being gay is a sin and those who are gay need to change their lifestyle and ask for forgiveness. You cant truly be a Christian and be gay, it's the same as being a Christian and being on drugs. The two lifestyles are completely different and you can't be both. People who are gay are in the same catagory as those who are alcoholics, druggies, and murderers if you go by the Bible. All of these are sins, for which need to be forgiven.

Read "Stranger at the Gate" by Mel White, who is a gay Christian.
He was a person who wrote for many Christian celebrities including Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, and Pat Robertson, was very influential in evangelical Christianity, had a wife and kids--and was severely tortured with gay thoughts he was not allowed to express. It got to the point where he tried to convert himself out of being (secretly) gay with the ex-gay reparation therapy, drugs, all sorts of treatment, etc., etc., and was suicidal--he tried to kill himself on various occasions to where he got to the point where he finally accepted himself as gay and that God accepted it--he even feels that God saved his life to accept that fact.

What are gays addicted to?? :confused:

You know what too many Christians are addicted to?? Hate and ignorance.

none of the above...why categorize them? they're just like everybody else. they just happen to like the same sex as them... whoop-d-doo!

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


You know what too many Christians are addicted to?? Hate and ignorance.

Actually it's not just Christians who are full of hate and ignorance to gays. I wish people would just leave them alone they don't do anything wrong, they don't sin. Most of you haters are full of **** to do so. **** the bible, I just believe in God and that he (she) loves there children very much for who they are, not what they are. As long as your nice and caring and don't judge people for color or sexuality you aren't sinning. jmo

Originally posted by Silver Daze


Actually it's not just Christians who are full of hate and ignorance to gays.
ya most of the people that I know who hate gay ppl the most dont go to church and say they dont believe in God or anything like that...

Originally posted by Silver Daze


Actually it's not just Christians who are full of hate and ignorance to gays. I wish people would just leave them alone they don't do anything wrong, they don't sin. Most of you haters are full of **** to do so. **** the bible I don't give a flying **** about it I just believe in God and that he (she) loves there children very much for who they are, not what they are. As long as your nice and caring and don't judge people for color or sexuality you aren't sinning. jmo

That's what I believe the opposite of sinning is: LOVING.:loveya: :kiss: :heart: :eyes: :love: :bighug:

Because when you LOVE someone, you aren't sinning.

Love covers a multitude of sins.

Originally posted by kittflynn
That's all well and good Thomas. But it isn't the question I asked and it isn't the way that I, for one, intend to get an answer. I didn't ask for a debate and I didn't ask to trade e:mails And I didn't ask what your or anyone's interpretation of the bible is. What I asked is what is wrong in YOUR and anyone elses personal opinion, with people of the same sex having relations.
I saw George Carlin on HBO the other night. During his act, he did quite an entertaining and, in my opinion, truthfull diatribe about the transparentness of the Ten Commandents being a mind controling document written, not by God, but buy the same type of folks who "keep us all in line" today. If you'd like to understand where I'm coming from, watch the re-airing of that show the next time it comes on.


I know you did not ask to trade e-mails, but this topic is going no no where. That is why I just say contact me thru e-mail. I didn't say it was mandatory, I mean I could care less if anyone does or not, but this is going in circles. However I also get where you are coming from in a way. Putting aside my strong biblical beliefs I look at other men as my brothers in a way because we are created in the same form and really couldn't see my self getting invovled in homosexual activity. Also in my opinion, I don't feel we should show predjudice towards gays. Can you imagine what some go through? You have some who are afraid to talk to others about what is going on in their mind and why they are feeling the way they are. I especially feel bad for young people that struggle with it.

The Ten Commandments were laws by God to help establish order not to control. Like this board. If everyone respected the opinions and not bashed others on this board, this section would not need a moderator. The use of a moderator here is not to control but to bring order and that is how I feel about the Ten Commandments.

I certainly don't want to offend anyone and I hope I did not offend you kittyflynn because I'm also about peace. I know you did not ask for my bible interpretation but that is where my opinion and belief is based from straight up and that's all. Anyway, Ya'll have a good one and Everyone have a great holiday this year!

I wouldn't say that the discussion went nowhere. I wasn't expecting anyone to change their positions. That wan't the point of asking the question. For the most part the replies have been civil, and in no need of a moderator. We don't need to shy away from discussing contraversial topics. Sometimes those discussions get heated, but it's the silly, meaningless fights about nothing, if you'll notice, that get out of control and go nowhere, not the ones that are about somethig. I wasn't trying to stir up the pot with my question. I was asking people to think and then share their thoughts. Some did.

Originally posted by kittflynn
I wouldn't say that the discussion went nowhere. I wasn't expecting anyone to change their positions. That wan't the point of asking the question. For the most part the replies have been civil, and in no need of a moderator. We don't need to shy away from discussing contraversial topics. Sometimes those discussions get heated, but it's the silly, meaningless fights about nothing, if you'll notice, that get out of control and go nowhere, not the ones that are about somethig. I wasn't trying to stir up the pot with my question. I was asking people to think and then share their thoughts. Some did.

Ehhh....point taken. We obviously have different issues but I respect where you are coming from from an analytical and neutral point of view.

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I wonder if people hate gays more than terrorists in this world!


Nate

Originally posted by RainMan
I wonder if people hate gays more than terrorists in this world!


Nate

That was rude.

What someone does in the privacy of their own home is their business. It's between them and God, if they believe in God.
Being gay doesn't make anyone a better or a worse person.
My brother is gay, and I've met a lot of his friends. Just like heterosexuals, some of them are jerks and some are real nice.

Originally posted by Dr. Lu Delgado


That was rude.




What was rude about it? It's kind of true in everyones own opinion. People believe gays are going to be burning in hell when they die and they don't do a damn thing to anyone. Gay people get hurt and sometimes even get killed for doing something different and it's bull ****. It's just my opinion though so don't mind me.

Originally posted by Silver Daze





What was rude about it? It's kind of true in everyones own opinion. People believe gays are going to be burning in hell when they die and they don't do a damn thing to anyone. Gay people get hurt and sometimes even get killed for doing something different and it's bull ****. It's just my opinion though so don't mind me. You're top floor!

Originally posted by Silver Daze





What was rude about it? It's kind of true in everyones own opinion. People believe gays are going to be burning in hell when they die and they don't do a damn thing to anyone. Gay people get hurt and sometimes even get killed for doing something different and it's bull ****. It's just my opinion though so don't mind me.

Yeah, you know I was going to post a reply to Rain Man's last post, but I closed out the window instead of saying something. It is a case of opinions. Some people out there do think gay people are bad and would probably be willing to spend an hour with a terrorist and get his head blown off instead of spending an hour with a gay person and actually get to know the person instead of assuming all gay people are bad.

Just my 2 cents. Ugh, they are showing the crappy episode of Archie.

Originally posted by RainMan
I wonder if people hate gays more than terrorists in this world!


Nate

Sometimes I think that's exactly the case. Christians seem to have too much of a problem with sex and all in this world rather than weapons of mass destruction.

Btw, did you hear that the U.S. Military ousted about 5 highly trained interpreters of Arabic soley because they were gay??:rolleyes: I see why they think "military intelligence" is an oxymoron...:confused:

i dont mind at all as long as they dont hit on me im good

Originally posted by SomeOneNeedsAHug
i dont mind at all as long as they dont hit on me im good

WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT EVERY SINGLE STINKIN' GAY PERSON IS ABOUT TO HIT ON A STRAIGHT PERSON?????:confused: Do you homophobic he-men ever think girls (i.e., lesbians) say "I don't have a problem with hetero males, as long as they don't hit on me"??:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


Sometimes I think that's exactly the case. Christians seem to have too much of a problem with sex and all in this world rather than weapons of mass destruction.

Btw, did you hear that the U.S. Military ousted about 5 highly trained interpreters of Arabic soley because they were gay??:rolleyes: I see why they think "military intelligence" is an oxymoron...:confused:

See It's stupid. They arrest guys in the army for being gay in some cases. That is just stupid!

I'll post more later my parents are around.

Peace out

Originally posted by RainMan


See It's stupid. They arrest guys in the army for being gay in some cases. That is just stupid!

I'll post more later my parents are around.

Peace out peace: :lol:

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


Sometimes I think that's exactly the case. Christians seem to have too much of a problem with sex and all in this world rather than weapons of mass destruction.

Btw, did you hear that the U.S. Military ousted about 5 highly trained interpreters of Arabic soley because they were gay??:rolleyes: I see why they think "military intelligence" is an oxymoron...:confused:

ok, just to say something....I think Christians have...."Too much of a problem with sex" because there trying to maintain some level of order in the world...and just with this topic...who is asking for whose opinion...exactly.

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT EVERY SINGLE STINKIN' GAY PERSON IS ABOUT TO HIT ON A STRAIGHT PERSON?????:confused: Do you homophobic he-men ever think girls (i.e., lesbians) say "I don't have a problem with hetero males, as long as they don't hit on me"??:rolleyes:

just making sure...you know im a girl right? im not saying every not person will hit on a straight person but ya know i cool withh bbeing ffriends n all but i feel uncomfortable when they hit on me is all. hell i feel uncomfortalbe when guyz hit on me :lol: hah this like really old bald guy came up to kaitlyn n lauren n me and he was like so...you guy like 10? and we were like...no.. and he was like 11? and we were like ..no and then he said 12? we said no. he said 13? and were all were like yeah. and he was like 14? it was soo funny...and scary at the same time


i didnt mean anything bad by what i said what i said before

I would NEVER hit on a straight guy cause I have a (Gaydar) believe it or not.

I know all the Bi people at my school nobody is gay just bi.

There are like 2 or 3 out of the entire school that are bi.




Nate

Originally posted by SomeOneNeedsAHug


just making sure...you know im a girl right? im not saying every not person will hit on a straight person but ya know i cool withh bbeing ffriends n all but i feel uncomfortable when they hit on me is all. hell i feel uncomfortalbe when guyz hit on me :lol: hah this like really old bald guy came up to kaitlyn n lauren n me and he was like so...you guy like 10? and we were like...no.. and he was like 11? and we were like ..no and then he said 12? we said no. he said 13? and were all were like yeah. and he was like 14? it was soo funny...and scary at the same time


i didnt mean anything bad by what i said what i said before

OMG YOU KILLED MY HAND!!!! You were like .... killin it :p

haha i wish some of the girlz at muh old school had "gayar" lol cos i was frined with this one girl and she was a lesian. and she kept asking me to play leap frog and i kept telling her i was straight but she never believed me haha i always thought it was funny. but shes cool. i miss her she was hilarious. she was like one of muh besht friends.

Originally posted by SomeOneNeedsAHug
haha i wish some of the girlz at muh old school had "gayar" lol cos i was frined with this one girl and she was a lesian. and she kept asking me to play leap frog and i kept telling her i was straight but she never believed me haha i always thought it was funny. but shes cool. i miss her she was hilarious. she was like one of muh besht friends.

Who was that? :confused: You never told me about that! *smack*

Originally posted by SomeOneNeedsAHug
haha i wish some of the girlz at muh old school had "gayar" lol cos i was frined with this one girl and she was a lesian. and she kept asking me to play leap frog and i kept telling her i was straight but she never believed me haha i always thought it was funny. but shes cool. i miss her she was hilarious. she was like one of muh besht friends. :lol: dont feel bad I got that ALOT in college that was mainly because one of my bestfriends was a Gay guy and his lesbian friend was CONVINCED I was gay to I was like "LISTEN I'M STRAIGHT!! I HAVE A BOYFRIEND" I HAD TO INTRODUCE HIM TO HER JUST to scare her away!

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


ok, just to say something....I think Christians have...."Too much of a problem with sex" because there trying to maintain some level of order in the world...and just with this topic...who is asking for whose opinion...exactly.

No, Christians are being totally FASCIST by the way they are trying to control the sex lives of mature responsible adults. It's NOT about overt acts, it's about thoughts and attraction. The whole problem is that they're not trying to keep people from doing things that will hurt themselves (i.e., preventing sexual scars, etc.) but going CUCKOO FOR COCOA PUFFS with even the most innocuous hint of sexuality: OMG OMG DIRTY DIRTY FILTH SCUM DISEASE LUST VILE OMG!!!!:eek: It's prudism gone wild.


Btw, I like your siggy pix of Lisa/Blair. She looks so...SEXY. :grineyes: :eyes:

I think it is wrong to be gay. But hey that is just my opinion.

Sensitive issue....my take is that one's sexual preference is strictly their own business and none of mine. If the person is a kind, law-biding citizen, I could care less about their personal lifestyle. I do however think that those who are bi-sexual, this is an area that I have found strange. I can accept and even be friends with gay/straight people. But bisexuality, that is an issue I don't understand. Your either straight or your gay IMO if you choose to engage in this behavior. But why would a guy want to dress like a woman? Why would a woman want to dress like a guy? Is this some identity crisis? That's an issue that I don't get and that's the part that I think is sick. I mean, you can be gay and straight-acting...I have no problem with that. But the cross-dressing? Why? That's my main issue.

A buddy of mine from college is involved in HIV research and travels all over the world attending seminars and medical conferences. He is a great guy and a very compassionate caring person. I have found that many gay people are more emotional, and sensitive, and more empathetic than many straight people. They are less arrogent and are more considerate and understanding.

Some people may have trouble fitting in to the traditional hetrosexual lifestyle. Many may have physical, emotional, or philisoohical traumas after a bad relationship weather it is a gay or straight association. Some male people may only be interested in doing activities that woman just don't enjoy doing. (i.e playing football, drinking, watching boxing) These kinds of activities are easier for men to enjoy and stir up conversation with male friends.

The thing is, you have to find the lifestyle that works for you and that you can feel comfortable with. Key issues are responsibility, commitment to your steady partner, and caring and respecting each other. In my judgment, everyone should just keep their sexual preference to themselves. You'll keep peace with those around you. You won't be subject to predjudice or riddicule if your preference is not mainstream for your society, and you keep everyone around you content.

Jack

Originally posted by Jack1000
Sensitive issue....my take is that one's sexual preference is strictly their own business and none of mine. If the person is a kind, law-biding citizen, I could care less about their personal lifestyle. I do however think that those who are bi-sexual, this is an area that I have found strange. I can accept and even be friends with gay/straight people. But bisexuality, that is an issue I don't understand. Your either straight or your gay IMO if you choose to engage in this behavior. But why would a guy want to dress like a woman? Why would a woman want to dress like a guy? Is this some identity crisis? That's an issue that I don't get and that's the part that I think is sick. I mean, you can be gay and straight-acting...I have no problem with that. But the cross-dressing? Why? That's my main issue.


I'm bi and I'm a girl, I dress like a girl and have long hair. Sooo I don't get you there. Your opinion is totally warped, you don't have to be gay or straight. I like girls and guys, I used to be in love with this guy now I am in love with this girl, different strokes for different folks. Truth. Ummm as for crossdressing maybe some people don't feel comfortable with their gender, it's called a disorder. I once had Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, the brain can do weird things. Not that being a crossdresser is weird but it's definatley not normal, I think people should be who they were born to be. But I guess if someone is that uncomfortable with who they are then... whatever floats their boats.

I'm a guy, I'm bisexual, of course at school I act straight. When I went bowling last night (I ACTUALLY WON A GAME FOR THE FIRST TIME!) I almost asked if he was bi because he is hot lol but I asked myself this question: When if he told the kids or teachers at school? So I held myself back. BUT GOD I COULDNT STAND IT! But I got over it. And plus he was driving if I told him he would of prolly swerved into the ditch cause I don't know if he's bi or straight. It perplexes me.

Oh, and for the crossdressing thing, I would under NO CIRCUMSTANCES, not even for a play, dress up in Women's clothing or underwear. That is just pure stupidity and I think it's sick IMO.

IF YOU'RE A GUY DRESS UP IN GUY'S CLOTHES! IF YOU'RE A GIRL, DRESS UP IN GIRL'S CLOTHES!

I don't get it, why do men have this FETISH (ure prolly gonna ask: why do you have a fetish with Kmart, don't ask that lol I already told u) with women's clothing. Why does it interest them? God I'm watching ABBA and the girls are hot!



Nate

Psychologists say that being a transvestite is NOT the same as being gay. Most are heterosexual. Btw, if a girl should dress like a girl, etc., does that mean they shouldn't wear pants?:confused:
Or that Scotsmen shouldn't wear kilts?:lol:

Originally posted by Jack1000
In my judgment, everyone should just keep their sexual preference to themselves. You'll keep peace with those around you. You won't be subject to predjudice or riddicule if your preference is not mainstream for your society, and you keep everyone around you content.

Jack Gee, do these same rules apply to taste in music, musicians, actors, movies, cars, clothes, TV shows, cartoons, magazines, books, authors, sports, hairstyles, animals, fingernail polishes? What about redheads versus blondes or bunettes? Or is this "keep everyone around you content" philosophy apply to sexual preferance only?:crazy:

Originally posted by RainMan
I'm a guy, I'm bisexual, of course at school I act straight. When I went bowling last night (I ACTUALLY WON A GAME FOR THE FIRST TIME!) I almost asked if he was bi because he is hot lol but I asked myself this question: When if he told the kids or teachers at school? So I held myself back. BUT GOD I COULDNT STAND IT! But I got over it. And plus he was driving if I told him he would of prolly swerved into the ditch cause I don't know if he's bi or straight. It perplexes me.

Oh, and for the crossdressing thing, I would under NO CIRCUMSTANCES, not even for a play, dress up in Women's clothing or underwear. That is just pure stupidity and I think it's sick IMO.

IF YOU'RE A GUY DRESS UP IN GUY'S CLOTHES! IF YOU'RE A GIRL, DRESS UP IN GIRL'S CLOTHES!

I don't get it, why do men have this FETISH (ure prolly gonna ask: why do you have a fetish with Kmart, don't ask that lol I already told u) with women's clothing. Why does it interest them? God I'm watching ABBA and the girls are hot!



Nate if your bisexual why would you care what your teachers/ fellow students think. thats just the way you choose to live your life if you cant handle the pressure of todays society maybe you should rethink the way you live.

Originally posted by bandito
if your bisexual why would you care what your teachers/ fellow students think. thats just the way you choose to live your life if you cant handle the pressure of todays society maybe you should rethink the way you live.

Yes but I don't want everyone calling me *** and other names like that and them hating me and everything. It's best that I keep it secret because unlike Philadelphia or New York, you don't admit you're gay cause it spreads all over town and sometimes into surrounding counties and such, and I don't want my parents to be like embarrased and everything and plus everyone thinks that I'm straight.


Nate

Originally posted by RainMan
I'm a guy, I'm bisexual, of course at school I act straight.

Why? Don't even listen to what other people think of you! If they have a problem with you, then that's obviously their problem, not yours, because you live your life the way YOU want to, and they can live their life the way THEY want to. Sure, negitive comments and criticism can sometimes hurt, but just remember, you are yourself. You're one individual, and as long as you are happy with yourself, it doesn't matter who isn't.

Originally posted by RainMan


Yes but I don't want everyone calling me *** and other names like that and them hating me and everything. It's best that I keep it secret because unlike Philadelphia or New York, you don't admit you're gay cause it spreads all over town and sometimes into surrounding counties and such, and I don't want my parents to be like embarrased and everything and plus everyone thinks that I'm straight.


Nate

I agree Nate, 100% Why start something that most people will see as negative with regard to ones' sexuality? You don't want your life ruined like that. It's not worth it. There are too many people in the United States that despise homosexuality. For that reason, I believe that a "don't ask" "don't tell" is the best approach. Besides, it's not anybody elses' business other than you and your siginfficant partner what your sexual prefrence is. By keeping a sexual lifestyle that is not acceptated as the norm to yourself no one gets hurt, and no one gets embarrassed.

Jack

Originally posted by RainMan


Yes but I don't want everyone calling me *** and other names like that and them hating me and everything. It's best that I keep it secret because unlike Philadelphia or New York, you don't admit you're gay cause it spreads all over town and sometimes into surrounding counties and such, and I don't want my parents to be like embarrased and everything and plus everyone thinks that I'm straight.


Nate sounds like your not ready to come out of the closet yet also it sounds like your ashamed to be labled as gay. i think you have alot of unanswered issues. you need to ouit worring about what other people think.

Originally posted by Jack1000


I agree Nate, 100% Why start something that most people will see as negative with regard to ones' sexuality? You don't want your life ruined like that. It's not worth it. There are too many people in the United States that despise homosexuality. For that reason, I believe that a "don't ask" "don't tell" is the best approach. Besides, it's not anybody elses' business other than you and your siginfficant partner what your sexual prefrence is. By keeping a sexual lifestyle that is not acceptated as the norm to yourself no one gets hurt, and no one gets embarrassed.

Jack

Couldn't of said it any better myself!

If I were gay, I wouldn't hide it. Let people think what they want. If it's hidden, society will never accept it. I do think it's a good idea to be careful about it because of the hate crimes that have happened. We've got a long way to go.

Matthew Sheppard

Originally posted by Jack1000


I agree Nate, 100% Why start something that most people will see as negative with regard to ones' sexuality? You don't want your life ruined like that. It's not worth it. There are too many people in the United States that despise homosexuality. For that reason, I believe that a "don't ask" "don't tell" is the best approach. Besides, it's not anybody elses' business other than you and your siginfficant partner what your sexual prefrence is. By keeping a sexual lifestyle that is not acceptated as the norm to yourself no one gets hurt, and no one gets embarrassed.

Jack

Yeah, I guess it's a little bit much for the rest of Redneck America to embrace one's sexuality that's a little different than others. But I have a question--what about WHEN it is necessary to come out and tell people you're gay??

"If we deny people are gay, the problem will go away.":rolleyes:

why doesn't everyone just keep there sexual preference to themselves and then everything will be fine. I don't go having straight parades...I think some gay people just want attention...and most people dont want to hear it so nowonder why they get negative attention...

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
why doesn't everyone just keep there sexual preference to themselves and then everything will be fine. I don't go having straight parades...I think some gay people just want attention...and most people dont want to hear it so nowonder why they get negative attention...
It's hard to keep your sexuality to yourself. If a gay couple is holding hands, as straight couples do, well that's a clue. I don't like seeing any couple, gay or straight, mugging it up in public though.
I think the reason most people don't want to hear it is because it disgusts them. They may give other reasons, but I believe that's the deal most of the time.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
why doesn't everyone just keep there sexual preference to themselves and then everything will be fine. I don't go having straight parades...I think some gay people just want attention...and most people dont want to hear it so nowonder why they get negative attention... You cut and pasted that from another thread. I think Bootsy was around back then to tell you what a bigot you were being. So I won't repeat it because it didn't stick to you the first time so it won't stick this time. Instead I'll just tell you how entirely dreamy-eyed you're being. You want life to appease you at every step. It ain't gonna happen.

Originally posted by Jack1000
There are too many people in the United States that despise homosexuality.
You got that right, starting with you.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
why doesn't everyone just keep there sexual preference to themselves

But you see? There shouldn't BE a reason on this earth to do that. But unfortunately, there is. We have homophobic people in this world, and a lot of people don't deserve what they get. No one in hate crimes deserves what they get.

Originally posted by Jack1000
In my judgment, everyone should just keep their sexual preference to themselves. You'll keep peace with those around you. You won't be subject to predjudice or riddicule if your preference is not mainstream for your society, and you keep everyone around you content.
Jack
....and you'll end up going nuts trying to please everyone around you. This hiding your head in the sand bull doesn't work. It's softpedal hatespeak.
To Thine Own Self Be True...

there are a lot of homophobic people in the world- but there are also a lot of gay people who seem to have this hatred towards straight people. and it does seem like they try to draw a lot of attention to themselves sometimes. Il admit that I'd be a lot more accepting of them if they'd live their lives however they want but not publicize it as much as they do.

And with regards to religion- love the sinner, hate the sin- in Christianity, being homosexual is considered a sin, but it doesnt mean that Christians hate homosexuals.

Originally posted by kittflynn
You cut and pasted that from another thread. I think Bootsy was around back then to tell you what a bigot you were being. So I won't repeat it because it didn't stick to you the first time so it won't stick this time. Instead I'll just tell you how entirely dreamy-eyed you're being. You want life to appease you at every step. It ain't gonna happen.

excuse me, I didn't cut in paste it...but my opinions don't change that quickly so i am just posting a similar thought since were still on thes subject. And i hate to break it to you, but im not being a bigot...But I guess that's your opinion huh? How am i being a bigot if i said that it isn't ok for gay or straight people??? hmm...And i'm not being 'dreamy eyed' I am trying to make a contribution that I think would really make things at least a little bit better than they already are...

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


But you see? There shouldn't BE a reason on this earth to do that. But unfortunately, there is. We have homophobic people in this world, and a lot of people don't deserve what they get. No one in hate crimes deserves what they get.

I understand that, But at least if noone talked about their sexuality then there wouldn't be a reason to hate them for it...

I agree with Babes Kay on this one You shouldnt HAVE to hide who you are if people have a problem with it so BE IT I dont have a problem with Gay people MOST of them make the best friends

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


I understand that, But at least if noone talked about their sexuality then there wouldn't be a reason to hate them for it...

Should straight people not talk about THEIR sexuality, then??

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


Should straight people not talk about THEIR sexuality, then??

exactly my point....

Originally posted by Titania
there are a lot of homophobic people in the world- but there are also a lot of gay people who seem to have this hatred towards straight people. and it does seem like they try to draw a lot of attention to themselves sometimes. Il admit that I'd be a lot more accepting of them if they'd live their lives however they want but not publicize it as much as they do.

And with regards to religion- love the sinner, hate the sin- in Christianity, being homosexual is considered a sin, but it doesnt mean that Christians hate homosexuals.
We hear a lot from gay people because they're fighting for their rights. There's a lot of activism regarding AIDS issues, gay rights in regards to health insurance, partnership issues, etc. So if they're noisy, they're trying to be heard. It's similiar to the civil rights movement of the 60s.
If I hear that, love the sinner, hate the sin, one more time, I'm going to scream. Let's try this one on for size.
Hate the intolerant, judgemental bigot, even the one who goes to church every Sunday. Period.

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


I understand that, But at least if noone talked about their sexuality then there wouldn't be a reason to hate them for it...

I don't see why people hate gay/bi people in the first place. We are all people, with different sexual preference. Big deal!

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


excuse me, I didn't cut in paste it...but my opinions don't change that quickly so i am just posting a similar thought since were still on thes subject. And i hate to break it to you, but im not being a bigot...But I guess that's your opinion huh? How am i being a bigot if i said that it isn't ok for gay or straight people??? hmm...And i'm not being 'dreamy eyed' I am trying to make a contribution that I think would really make things at least a little bit better than they already are... Is it okay with you when you see straight people hold hands in public or make other mild simple displays affection? I doubt that you would object to that but you do object to gay couples doing the same thing. And in that way, you are bing a bigot. You've never given a kiss to your better half in public?

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


exactly my point....

But see, EVERYTHING relates back to sexuality. It doesn't have to relate to sexual activity, but about who we are as male and female and what we're attracted to. A gay person can make the most innocuous comment, etc., relating in some way or other about their sexuality, and some walking-on-eggshells homophobe will start going off.

Btw, I'm sick of the "Love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin" business as well. We'd just love those gay people a little bit more..."IF WE COULD GET PAST THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GAY!!!!!":mad: :rolleyes:

Here's a new one: Christians aren't perfect...just full of excuses.

If there is a heaven, I think a lot of bible thumpers are in for a shock. At the Pearly Gates, they'll be 2 signs.

One pointing right>>All hate mongers this way, take the elevator down all the way.

One pointing left>>All those who lived a loving life, this way to Heaven.

Originally posted by kittflynn
Is it okay with you when you see straight people hold hands in public or make other mild simple displays affection? I doubt that you would object to that but you do object to gay couples doing the same thing. And in that way, you are bing a bigot. You've never given a kiss to your better half in public?

He's just against everything.

ChrisE939: I know being gay isnt a sin
ChrisE939: the act is a sin
WendyForWendy: The "act"?
ChrisE939: sex...
WendyForWendy: Hmmm. Even male/female?
ChrisE939: ay ay ay ay
ChrisE939: sex out of marriage is a sin
WendyForWendy: Even when two girls or two guys are married, is it a sin?
ChrisE939: they cant be married in the catholic church and thats not my choice, if you have a problem with that idea go see the pope
WendyForWendy: Ok *hops a plane*

Originally posted by -*Forever*-


He's just against everything.

ChrisE939: I know being gay isnt a sin
ChrisE939: the act is a sin
WendyForWendy: The "act"?
ChrisE939: sex...
WendyForWendy: Hmmm. Even male/female?
ChrisE939: ay ay ay ay
ChrisE939: sex out of marriage is a sin
WendyForWendy: Even when two girls or two guys are married, is it a sin?
ChrisE939: they cant be married in the catholic church and thats not my choice, if you have a problem with that idea go see the pope
WendyForWendy: Ok *hops a plane*

oh i know, why dont you get your facts straight before you make judgements againt me. I have nothing more to say in this thread...

Wow, looks like I missed a lot.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with being gay/lesbian or having sex to express your love to your partner. Thats how male/female couples express their love, why can't everyone? Face it, sex is a basic part of life and everyone has a right to it.

Originally posted by -*Forever*-
if you have a problem with that idea go see the pope


Goddamnit, I don't care about the Pope! He can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned. He's like the English Monarchy. He doesn't do squat. He just sits on his thrown in the Vatican all day. Now if I said I was bi, then I bet half of you nimrods would turn against me just because I like guys AND girls instead of just guys! I'm so sick of people thinking gays are the worst people in the world, that they are sinners, that they are contagious. I'm sick of having the Bible thrown in my face, cause you know what? If gays are sinners, they are sinners in one way. But EVERYBODY are sinners, so just because gays sin in a different way then you, you hate them and don't agree with them? Don't you get what I'm saying? No matter what, it all comes down with 'sins' with you people. And if gays go to hell for liking the same sex as them, then Jesus, you must be going as far as possible because your all homophobes hating gays. And God doesn't like hate.

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Goddamnit, I don't care about the Pope! He can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned. He's like the English Monarchy. He doesn't do squat. He just sits on his thrown in the Vatican all day. Now if I said I was bi, then I bet half of you nimrods would turn against me just because I like guys AND girls instead of just guys! I'm so sick of people thinking gays are the worst people in the world, that they are sinners, that they are contagious. I'm sick of having the Bible thrown in my face, cause you know what? If gays are sinners, they are sinners in one way. But EVERYBODY are sinners, so just because gays sin in a different way then you, you hate them and don't agree with them? Don't you get what I'm saying? No matter what, it all comes down with 'sins' with you people. And if gays go to hell for liking the same sex as them, then Jesus, you must be going as far as possible because your all homophobes hating gays. And God doesn't like hate.

i never said that, and to me the gay "act" is just as equal to any other sin and yet again because its sex out of marriage. I really do not give a damn if someone's gay or not...and it shouldn't matter. I would say oh lets just everyone announce there preference and sing a song but the world isnt perfect and maybe if everyone just kept it to themselves then people wouldn't be so against it. I am not really sure anymore, all i know is I don't give a damn either way and it's not my place to judge anyone. You do what you want and that is your problem with God, if you even beleive in one, and if you ask for my opinion then i'm going to give you one. I really don't know what to say anymore without someone being pissed at me.

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Goddamnit, I don't care about the Pope! He can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned. He's like the English Monarchy. He doesn't do squat. He just sits on his thrown in the Vatican all day. Now if I said I was bi, then I bet half of you nimrods would turn against me just because I like guys AND girls instead of just guys! I'm so sick of people thinking gays are the worst people in the world, that they are sinners, that they are contagious. I'm sick of having the Bible thrown in my face, cause you know what? If gays are sinners, they are sinners in one way. But EVERYBODY are sinners, so just because gays sin in a different way then you, you hate them and don't agree with them? Don't you get what I'm saying? No matter what, it all comes down with 'sins' with you people. And if gays go to hell for liking the same sex as them, then Jesus, you must be going as far as possible because your all homophobes hating gays. And God doesn't like hate.

I wouldn't hate you, but, erm, we already confirmed that, so... :D

Originally posted by -*Forever*-


I wouldn't hate you, but, erm, we already confirmed that, so... :D

Yes. We already spoke. :D

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Goddamnit, I don't care about the Pope! He can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned. He's like the English Monarchy. He doesn't do squat. He just sits on his thrown in the Vatican all day. Now if I said I was bi, then I bet half of you nimrods would turn against me just because I like guys AND girls instead of just guys! I'm so sick of people thinking gays are the worst people in the world, that they are sinners, that they are contagious. I'm sick of having the Bible thrown in my face, cause you know what? If gays are sinners, they are sinners in one way. But EVERYBODY are sinners, so just because gays sin in a different way then you, you hate them and don't agree with them? Don't you get what I'm saying? No matter what, it all comes down with 'sins' with you people. And if gays go to hell for liking the same sex as them, then Jesus, you must be going as far as possible because your all homophobes hating gays. And God doesn't like hate.

Does ANYBODY take the Pope seriously???? He just sounds like a doddering old fart who just blathers Vatican doctrine this and Vatican doctrine that. He's a figurehead, just like Billy Graham. We all respect them because they're relics from another time.

Mel White in his book "Stranger at the Gate" shares some horror stories of young people who secretly hid their gay longings until it got to the point where they mutilated and castrated themselves.
It is a horrible thing to relate, but that's the kind of life "normal" homophobic people wish upon gays--all in the name of God, of course. Do we really feel the presence, the love of God, in this hatred??

I think a person should be proud of whoever they are. If you are gay, be proud. If you are straight, be proud. You shouldn't have to hide yourself away from the world because of a few bigots.

However, we do have a flip side of the coin. Some of you have brought up excellent points about the hate crimes. If you come out of the closet and say you are gay, you might be putting yourself front and center for some sort of hate crime.

Janice posted the pic of Matthew Shephard and he was openly gay. Look what happened to him. Would he still be alive now if he wasn't openly gay? Could be. It's a very strong possibility.

To be honest with you, the world is in the crapper. Yes, it is. I don't think the bible can save us. Our opinions keep pushing us down even farther. I don't care how many peace people you have in this world. You'll never see a gay person walk down the hall and see everybody accepting him/her. You'll always have a few that call out cruel names like '***' or '******'. When those words come out, we go down even more.

jmo

You say that people are so judgemental and hateful towards gays but look at yourselves- how is everything you said about catholicism any different. If homosexuals expect to get any more respect in this world they could start by giving it. That may sound a little harsh but its the truth, you can bash it all you want, but its still the truth.

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


But see, EVERYTHING relates back to sexuality. It doesn't have to relate to sexual activity, but about who we are as male and female and what we're attracted to. A gay person can make the most innocuous comment, etc., relating in some way or other about their sexuality, and some walking-on-eggshells homophobe will start going off.

Btw, I'm sick of the "Love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin" business as well. We'd just love those gay people a little bit more..."IF WE COULD GET PAST THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GAY!!!!!":mad: :rolleyes:

Here's a new one: Christians aren't perfect...just full of excuses. why do you seem to bash christians all the time? not all christians are terrible people:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Titania
If homosexuals expect to get any more respect in this world they could start by giving it.

You know, there are homosexuals on this board who are not disrespectful at all. Not all gays/bisexuals are disrespectful.

Originally posted by bandito
why do you seem to bash christians all the time? not all christians are terrible people:rolleyes: ya fo' real! I dont hate gay ppl or even give a damn if some1 is gay or not, to do so is just ********, and Im a Christian, I go to an almost all black church and it's baptist (sometime) and even our piano player at that church is gay...whenever I go there :p So I dont get where ppl say the bible or God is against gay ppl....

haah this reminds me of a show i was watching and heres a funny quote

woman: dick you know how we thought ony having 2 sexies would boring? well i think james found a loophole.

i duno if the names are right cos i havent watched it in a loong time

and no cristian bashing :D i cant help it i didnt know what i was doing when i was little. and theres nothing i can do about it when im 13. i dont really care tho. i dont think sex is a sin before marrage tho. i mean like if you just see a person on the corner of the street and jump on them like a fly on poop...ok thats wrong! but like if you've been dating the person a long time and its a good solid relationship i think its totally comisetic

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
i never said that, and to me the gay "act" is just as equal to any other sin and yet again because its sex out of marriage.
If heterosexual sex outside of marriage is a sin, then there's plenty of sinners out there.
I guess the gay bashers think it's a 'bigger sin' to be gay though. Twist and turn the bible to fit their narrow-minded thinking.

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
ya fo' real! I dont hate gay ppl or even give a damn if some1 is gay or not, to do so is just ********, and Im a Christian, I go to an almost all black church and it's baptist (sometime) and even our piano player at that church is gay...whenever I go there :p So I dont get where ppl say the bible or God is against gay ppl.... Cool I'm the same way I'm christian and I dont hate gays at all and niether is anyone in my Church they are very excepting there
I think theres Bad people in any type of person White,Black,Gay ,Straight, purple Theres gonna be bad people in every thing ya know what i'm getting at? just like theres nice people in everything to Okay I'm not making any sense i'm TIRED

Originally posted by bandito
why do you seem to bash christians all the time? not all christians are terrible people:rolleyes: Since you asked Captain that question, I've no doubt that he'll will be along to explain the obvious to you but, if you don't mind, I thought I'd clue you in in the meantime. Captain is a Christian. He's mentioned that fact numerous times but well, you had to be paying attention!.'Why does he bash Christians'? Although he's answered that over and over again in his posts, I'll tell you why. Because it's the self-declared Christians who keep repeating "Love the sinner, hate the sin." (Gag!) Or, "It's okay to be gay so long so you don't have sex." (Huh?) And, "It's wrong to be gay!" And, "I think gay people should just shut up about it!" And, "If gays want respect they have to give respect, and that's the truth!" Meaning that gays deserve whatever befalls them? And that as a whole they are a disrespectful group? *Shakes head*. So, I would guess that Captain is ashamed of his so called brethren who make those proclamations, supposedly, 'in the name of God'.

Originally posted by kittflynn
Because it's the self-declared Christians who keep repeating "Love the sinner, hate the sin." (Gag!) And, "It's wrong to be gay!"

Gag all you want, maybe you should pick up the Bible and see that those are NOT things people have made up.
You seem to have some preconcieved notions of Christians based on a group that you consider extremist- tell me kittflynn, how is that different from people who have these notions of gays based on the few who are in it for attention or seem to have a problem with every straight person in the world?

I just told you in my post, Titania, that Captain is a Christian. He has respectful and open minded views of people of other beliefs than him. Lots of Christians do. And then on, the other hand, there are those who say "pick up the bible" and 'you' ll see that I'm right and you're wrong'. My notion of extremist Christians is not based on nothing. Afterall Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson both told their enormous flock of listeners that homosexuality was one of the reasons why 9/11 happened. They said that God was punishing America because homosexuality was being tolerated. -- I kid you not.

Yes, here I come to save everyone's sanity!!!:D :crazy: Noooooo, I was NOT bashing Christians!!!!! I was getting down on intolerant attitudes that so-called "Christians" have about people who are a certain way through no fault of their own. Was I bashing Catholics? No, because you have a CHOICE as to how you want to practice your religion!!! Not all Catholics are narrow-minded and hateful. Does God automatically sanction the way people believe and behave? I don't think so. If the way you believe is causing you to act unfairly or cruelly to someone else, here's a news flash: CHANGE IT!! To be the Christian I am does NOT mean that I can't be critical of goes on in Bible La-La Land.
There is a lot that needs to be changed in this world--AND CHRISTIANS AREN'T DOING A DAMNED THING. You know why Jerry Falwell made his comments about gays and all being "responsible" for 9/11?? Money. Christians know there is a golden cash cow to be made in homophobic literature and media. A horrific event like 9/11 was a way for him to raise funds and fill his coffers $$$$$ for his so--called ministry. The country was thick as thieves for the rest of that week with people blaming
people of different skin color, ethnicity, religion and sexual pursuasion for what happened--not to mention political pursuasion.
I think kittflynn was "gagging" over the overused excuse that people have about "loving the sinner while hating the sin" (uhhh, where is that in the Bible again?:confused: ), because it's a way of having it both ways: be nice to the sinner WHILE reminding them they're sinners, but be sure to throw little hints about God's displeasure... "Gee, Johnny Q. Sinner, you sure are a nice guy and all, too bad you aren't wonderful and SAAAAAAVED like I am.
I personally don't have a problem with you, of course not, but that
whole crack smoking cross-dresser for Ktulu is a LIIIIIIIITTLE bit much for God to handle.....":rolleyes:

I dont hate them. Gay women make me feel uncomfortable because Im a girl and it is alittle weird to see girls making out. But i could care less about what they do behind closed doors.(but i hate when thye make out in public and at my school.)

I say it's their life and they can live it the way they please.

Originally posted by RainMan


Yes but I don't want everyone calling me *** and other names like that and them hating me and everything. It's best that I keep it secret because unlike Philadelphia or New York, you don't admit you're gay cause it spreads all over town and sometimes into surrounding counties and such, and I don't want my parents to be like embarrased and everything and plus everyone thinks that I'm straight.


Nate

I think I asked you this before I just never got a response. Are we the only ones that know about this? Does anyone you know face to face know about this issue with your sexuality?

Must you bring this topic back? I dont even want to know how I responded. This was my "im gonna believe everything my parents say" phase. :rolleyes: I was such a loser.

Originally posted by MaRtInA_GuRL
Must you bring this topic back? I dont even want to know how I responded. This was my "im gonna believe everything my parents say" phase. :rolleyes: I was such a loser.

:lol: Didn't I help you change that?

Oh well, yes this topic to is very old and better left up on the shelf. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by pandora_spocks
:lol: Didn't I help you change that?


:lol: Yeah! Go Holly! :clap: ;)

Originally posted by MaRtInA_GuRL
Must you bring this topic back? I dont even want to know how I responded. This was my "im gonna believe everything my parents say" phase. :rolleyes: I was such a loser.

Before you blindly acuse ThomasE for bringing back this topic, take a look at the date in which he posted his response. Amazing, isn't it?

Originally posted by Original Prankster
Before you blindly acuse ThomasE for bringing back this topic, take a look at the date in which he posted his response. Amazing, isn't it?

:confused: Thats..... weird.

Originally posted by Original Prankster
Before you blindly acuse ThomasE for bringing back this topic, take a look at the date in which he posted his response. Amazing, isn't it?

I was wondering about that, too!! Martina Girl brought it up, it was that ThomasE was the last poster of this back in...January??
So who was MG refering to when she said that "must you bring that up?"?:confused:

Originally posted by MaRtInA_GuRL
:lol: Yeah! Go Holly! :clap: ;)

:D

Originally posted byOriginal Prankster

Before you blindly acuse ThomasE for bringing back this topic, take a look at the date in which he posted his response. Amazing, isn't it?

Oh, I know why because someone voted in the poll thats why it was brought back to the top.

Originally posted by pandora_spocks

Oh, I know why because someone voted in the poll thats why it was brought back to the top.

Looks like we've got our own Einstein on the boards. ;)

Originally posted by Original Prankster
Looks like we've got our own Einstein on the boards. ;)

:lol:

Nah, I just read on another post, hehe. ;)

Originally posted by pandora_spocks
:D



Oh, I know why because someone voted in the poll thats why it was brought back to the top.

I was going to say that...wonder who, though. :confused:

Most people who harbor blind hatred toward gays are either hiding something themselves or have been raised/somehow conditioned to hate. I remember when I was growing up, I had some doubts about my own sexuality, and instead of confronting them, it was "***" this, "queer" that - I was kind of like a little Eminem, except I was talented. As I hit high school, I realized there's nothing wrong with gay people, and that not everything I was taught as a kid was necessarily right. And I know this sounds cliche, but now I have a few gay friends. They're great people.

Seriously, folks, step outside what you've been taught by your parents, peers, the church; etc. for just one second and form your own opinions on gays. Some of our fellow posters in this forum are gay or bisexual, and I don't think any of them have horns and a tail. Except maybe RainMan.

Originally posted by AKA
Some of our fellow posters in this forum are gay or bisexual, and I don't think any of them have horns and a tail. Except maybe RainMan.

:lol:

My thing is that I don't care if you're gay, straight, or bi. If you're a nice and decent person who wouldn't "harm a fly" then I give all the respect in the world.

I mean, why is so much emphasis being placed on what sexual preference you are these days. :mad:

I get very tired and get very angry at people who think that not being straight is like you caught some disease or something.

It doesn't matter what you are (race, gender, sexual preference, etc.) We are all human and we should stop worrying about what someone is or is not and start worrying about things that are more important like how to prevent another terrorist attack or something. :talk:

Originally posted by AKA
it was "***" this, "queer" that - I was kind of like a little Eminem, except I was talented.

:lol: That's not funny, but at the same time, it is.

Originally posted by MaRtInA_GuRL
Must you bring this topic back? I dont even want to know how I responded. This was my "im gonna believe everything my parents say" phase. :rolleyes: I was such a loser.

I know what you mean. I posted some crap in this thread that I wish I could've re-phrased because I came off wrong. So, for all of you who went back and read it, this is what my true opinion on gays are...

I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, but I AM NOT going to critisize it. I will gladly accept people for being gay. If they ask me why I feel it is wrong, I will tell them, but not to be offensive, simply just to explain my beliefs. I think it is sooo wrong when someone says "I hate gays" and then trys to present theirselves as a Christian. Christians are supposed to be loving, guiding people. People who don't hate people. You may certainly hate their actions and the things they do, but you don't hate a person's soul.

I think people who don't give a crap what people think about their sexuality are great. It's good how some (like myself) can be open about it. It takes guts, believe me. Of course, I have not came across anyone calling me names b/c of my sexuality, but I'll just haul off and kick their a$$ if they do or just laugh at them for being stupid.

I probably said this before, but I'm not going to like someone just because they are gay, or just because they are straight, which is what I thought this whole poll implied that you either loved ALL gay people, or HATED all gay people. I hate many straight people, but i also love many straight people. I dont know any gay people enough to know whether I love them or hate them, but I have known some great people, who happen to prefer the same sex. It doesnt determine whether or not I'm going to like you or not.

Originally posted by ~°~RockAngel89~°~
I think its wrong to be gay but i dont really care for gays

If you have something against homosexuals then you are gay yourself. I dislike biggots like you. IT IS NOT WRONG FOR SOMEONE TO BE GAY, IT'S WRONG FOR YOU TO DISLIKE HOMOSEXUALS. I suggest that you get a life, you prejudice jerk.

Originally posted by Ralph Malph Ricardo
I AGREE 100%:D

Ralph Malph Ricardo, I never thought you were such a biggot. From now on I dislike you. If you dislike homosexuals, then you are probably one yourself. Biggots like you make me sick.

Originally posted by *~PinkLady59~*
Uh, my opinion is: gays are normal people. There's nothing wrong with them.

I agree with you 100%. Homosexuals are as normal as heterosexuals and bisexuals. Why are there still biggots in this world who can't accept homosexuality?

Originally posted by mark55
it is a sin to have "sex" with some one of your same sex.

What the? LOOK HERE, IT IS NOT A SIN FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE LOVE WITH SOMEONE OF THE SAME SEX. Get a life, you biggot.

Personally, I say "whatever floats your boat." Besides, Holly (pandora_spocks) is one of my best friends. It doesn't bother me at all that she's gay. It's just one of those things about a person, like height or something, that's there but doesn't matter. JMO.

Kristen

Originally posted by Kristen
Personally, I say "whatever floats your boat." Besides, Holly (pandora_spocks) is one of my best friends. It doesn't bother me at all that she's gay. It's just one of those things about a person, like height or something, that's there but doesn't matter. JMO.

Kristen

Aww, Kristen you're so sweet. I didn't mean that as a come on..:lol: And you know I don't hate Mary I'm just playin'. ;)

Anyway, I'm glad that you don't hate gays because why would you still talk to me if you did? I appreciate your open mindedness and I really wish more people were like you. That's what we need to spread in this world - open mindedness. Spread it around! :D

Originally posted by pandora_spocks
Aww, Kristen you're so sweet. I didn't mean that as a come on..:lol: And you know I don't hate Mary I'm just playin'. ;)

Anyway, I'm glad that you don't hate gays because why would you still talk to me if you did? I appreciate your open mindedness and I really wish more people were like you. That's what we need to spread in this world - open mindedness. Spread it around! :D

:blush: Thanks, I try. I'm glad you have a sense of humor, or you'd probably be offended by half the stuff I say to you all the time! LOL And yes, I know you don't hate Mary. Personally I think you're still a fan deep down but won't admit it. ;)

Kristen

Originally posted by Kristen
:blush: Thanks, I try. I'm glad you have a sense of humor, or you'd probably be offended by half the stuff I say to you all the time! LOL And yes, I know you don't hate Mary. Personally I think you're still a fan deep down but won't admit it. ;)

Kristen

Oh, you mean like what do I know because I'm a lesbian? haha. :p
Nah, I don't think I'm that much of a fan anymore. That part of my life has been kind of taken over, if ya know what I mean. ;)

Oh yeah, remember Kristen..

Dorothy: That's sunshine, Blanche. Spread sunshine around.

That's what I was thinking of when I said 'spread it around!' :lol: :D

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
If you have something against homosexuals then you are gay yourself. I dislike biggots like you.

So does that make you a biggot?

Originally posted by pandora_spocks
Oh, you mean like what do I know because I'm a lesbian? haha. :p
Nah, I don't think I'm that much of a fan anymore. That part of my life has been kind of taken over, if ya know what I mean. ;)

Oh yeah, remember Kristen..

Dorothy: That's sunshine, Blanche. Spread sunshine around.

That's what I was thinking of when I said 'spread it around!' :lol: :D

Yeah, I was thinking of that line when I read your post earlier. And when you say "Taken over," who are we talking about that took over that part of your life? ;) *Looks at your sig* Hmm.......

Kristen

Originally posted by *Marilyn Monroe*
So does that make you a biggot?

No, like I said before I have nothing against homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals. I accept people of all sexual preferences, all races and all religions. Just because I don't like biggots doesn't make me a biggot. Why do you ask me that, do you like biggots?

Originally posted by Kristen
Yeah, I was thinking of that line when I read your post earlier. And when you say "Taken over," who are we talking about that took over that part of your life? ;) *Looks at your sig* Hmm.......

Kristen

:lookaroun

Is it that obvious? :lol: I hope they play that episode of The Golden Girls today. I usually have the psychic ability to know what episode of the girls that is coming on before it does and without even looking it up on the lifetime site. :D

Spread it around! :D

Originally posted by *Marilyn Monroe*
So does that make you a biggot?

Don't accuse me of being a biggot when I'm not. Are you sure you're not a biggot?

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
Don't accuse me of being a biggot when I'm not. Are you sure you're not a biggot?

Let me explain why I asked. You made accusatory remarks to both Ralph Malph Ricardo and Mark55, saying they were biggots because they don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, and that if they hated homosexuals, then they must be gay themselves. Then you went and said that you hated biggots, hence my remark about you being a biggot.

And no, I'm not a biggot. I'm admittedly a bit closed-minded about some things, but I'm trying not to be.

Originally posted by *Marilyn Monroe*
Let me explain why I asked. You made accusatory remarks to both Ralph Malph Ricardo and Mark55, saying they were biggots because they don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, and that if they hated homosexuals, then they must be gay themselves. Then you went and said that you hated biggots, hence my remark about you being a biggot.

And no, I'm not a biggot. I'm admittedly a bit closed-minded about some things, but I'm trying not to be.

I'm most certainly not a biggot. Most people who dislike homosexuals are probably homosexuals themselves, because they seem to believe that if they say they don't like homosexuals that people wont know. I knew a guy when I was in high school who said he disliked homosexuals and I knew he was hiding something. He later came out as a homosexual and after that he changed and became much nicer. He is no longer biggoted and he told a few people that he regrets once being a biggot. He wasn't just a biggot, but he was also a bully. After he came out as a homosexual he was no longer a bully. I'm not saying all bullies are homosexuals, I'm just saying that the guy I knew bullied and was biggoted to hide his sexual preference out of fear of people finding out and out of fear of being ridicule.

Originally posted by Brian Damage
Ummm, this is kind of a weird topic. Some people could get offended by it. I mean would you post the same topic about African Americans, Jewish, Asians? I think it's a little off base.

Your being extreme. You are comparing sexual preference to ethic background..now thats offensive. you can wake up and decide to never date again..let me see you change the color of your skin.

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
I'm most certainly not a biggot. Most people who dislike homosexuals are probably homosexuals themselves, because they seem to believe that if they say they don't like homosexuals that people wont know.
That is very much a generalization, and I am sure it is also quite incorrect.

People frequently do not "like" another group of people simply because they view that group as "different." Some dislike because they do not understand the differences. This applies to all types of differences, be they race, religion, sexual preference, etc.

By your definition, someone who is white and dislikes blacks is probably, in reality, black as well. But of course, that is not the case. The logic does not follow.

Originally posted by Mysty Eyes
That is very much a generalization, and I am sure it is also quite incorrect.

People frequently do not "like" another group of people simply because they view that group as "different." Some dislike because they do not understand the differences. This applies to all types of differences, be they race, religion, sexual preference, etc.

By your definition, someone who is white and dislikes blacks is probably, in reality, black as well. But of course, that is not the case. The logic does not follow.

Putting words in my mouth are you. Did you read one word I said? I knew one person who was a biggot and he turned out to be homosexual himself. Maybe not all biggots are homosexals, but some biggots truly are hiding something. Tell me when did I say that a cauasian who dislikes african-americans is african-american themselves? I don't ever recall saying that. And before someone accuses me of being something else I'm not. I accept all races, all sexual preferences and all religions. I even accept transexuals, crossdressers and hermaphrodites. Now what else are you going to accuse me of?

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
Putting words in my mouth are you. Did you read one word I said?
No, I did not put words in your mouth. I merely presented an example of the fallacy of your logic. And yes, I did read what you said, and what I see is that you are making a sweeping generalization based upon one person that you knew in the past.

That's all I said: that you are making a generalization. No need to get angry.

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
Most people who dislike homosexuals are probably homosexuals themselves, because they seem to believe that if they say they don't like homosexuals that people wont know.

I'm not saying that I completely disagree with you here, but can you back that up at all?

Originally posted by Mysty Eyes
No, I did not put words in your mouth. I merely presented an example of the fallacy of your logic. And yes, I did read what you said, and what I see is that you are making a sweeping generalization based upon one person that you knew in the past.

That's all I said: that you are making a generalization. No need to get angry.

Ok, let's forget about this, because we don't all see things in the same way no matter how we explain it. Why was this poll started anyways? What is the purpose of this poll?

I_Love_Fonzie you had no right to call those people bigots. You got onto someone at the music board for putting down people that dont like Eminem and you said they didnt know the meaning of the word respect means, i dont think you do cause you are putting people down for their opinions.

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
Why was this poll started anyways? What is the purpose of this poll?

It's a Rainman thread, go figure....:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Crimson_and_Clover
I_Love_Fonzie you had no right to call those people bigots. You got onto someone at the music board for putting down people that dont like Eminem and you said they didnt know the meaning of the word respect means, i dont think you do cause you are putting people down for their opinions.

I have the right to call homophobics biggots, because that's what they are. Let me guess you probably dislike homosexuals, right?

Originally posted by Crimson_and_Clover
I_Love_Fonzie you had no right to call those people bigots. You got onto someone at the music board for putting down people that dont like Eminem and you said they didnt know the meaning of the word respect means, i dont think you do cause you are putting people down for their opinions.

Shut up, I'm starting to believe you're a biggot.

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
Why was this poll started anyways? What is the purpose of this poll?

There's never any purpose in a poll started by Nate.

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
I have the right to call homophobics biggots, because that's what they are. Let me guess you probably dislike homosexuals, right?

you couldnt be more wrong seeing as how i am bisexual an all.

Originally posted by I_Love_Fonzie
Shut up, I'm starting to believe you're a biggot.

i dont think telling someone to shut up is respectful. and again i am not a bigot i am bi.

Originally posted by Original Prankster
There's never any purpose in a poll started by Nate.

Except to annoy the ***** out of people and piss them off.

Originally posted by Crimson_and_Clover
i dont think telling someone to shut up is respectful. and again i am not a bigot i am bi.

Ok, fine, I'm not a biggot and you're not a biggot. Let's forget it.

This is what I think now.

Okay. I used to think that being gay was wrong. You know why I thought that? Because I was told that. It didnt actually make me think until I found out who i really am. I think that people that hate people that are gay should take a long look at theirselves and actually think for themselves and not believe what other people tell them. I did for a while, but now I think for myself. And Im proud to be not straight... :D

..... I hope that made sense.