Good day to all fellow UM enthusiasts. I've seen the Wacker's segment so many times I probably can quote most of the episode. I want you to keep an open mind about my theory of this. The most likely suspect is:

Dorothy Wacker! I have based this on a number of observations.

1. The little smirk she gives when Bill is explaining A LONG TIME STALKER HARASSING HER FAMILY. She smiles....for just a second of course. Then it disappears....

2. She is the ONLY person to see a suspect OR interact with ANY suspect.

Those are pure facts there. There's no speculation. Those cannot be debated. This is my best guesses next.

Dorothy when describing what happened to her (hit/tied up) just doesn't seem emotionally connected to the event. There's literally no fear in what she is talking about. That leads me to believe it was staged.

Dorothy would easily be able to hide the items and slowly return them.

Bill genuinely seemed disturbed by all of this with every shot in the episode.

And now for the "phone calls". During the 1980-90s, it was possible to make your own phone ring. You could easily set something up and nobody would be the wiser. I remember doing this as a kid.

It is obvious that the person writing the notes is writing with the other hand to not have their handwriting noticed. (IE, could be a family member)

Ok, so the first note was written in crayon, was the crayon from their house?

The only things I can't explain at all is the bizarre syntax/phrasing of the notes:

cheaper, but will do [what is cheaper? the gun? the old camera?]
you scum i'll get even *can't read the rest* [get even? did the Wackers do something bad to somebody?]
Your lightz are a laugh [well, ok...are they too weak or not good enough?]
zunday didn't do you in next time [ok buddy]
called but didn't anzwer [sorry i was in the bathroom]
Thiz time ha ha [truly a disturbed individual....]
Get the message [no I didn't!]

No fingerprints found.

[I did note most of the S's are just Z's.] This is interesting b/c I can see why the police feel it's the opposite hand....except for scum which would be zcum? Maybe the person knew this just didn't sound right and went for the s? That also leads me to believe [and this is a stretch] due to that slang not being socially acceptable to the note writer....

Could it be possible that Dorothy had some sort of mental breakdown that may have involved dementia, or some other psychosis and this was her way to vent it?

A few unanswered questions [that many have stated]:
There's literally no motive. That's what leads me to mental disorders ALL AROUND.
What if the majority of this is unrelated? (IE, the notes, the calls, the attacks) The one note is linked to a missed call though. The attack also happened with the bizarre crayon wall note also.
Was anything on the video camera from the stalker? He did take it.....and return it....
Was the gun fired before it was returned? Did it have the bullets if there were bullets in the gun to begin with?
What did Bill do for a living?
Phone calls! Were they answered by multiple parties? Were they traced?
Did they ever try *69? [It'll call the person calling back] This is why the phone calls are so dopey.....
Bill was thought of as a suspect, but not Dorothy?
Wasn't it proven that a person could hogtie themselves?
Besides the daughter, the relatives are not participating in the episode....why?
How far did the family live from Dorothy and Bill? Could a family member easily get over there and bang on the house and leave?
Dorothy was always the focus....just like Cindy James. Bill could've been attacked but never was....why, if the stalker hates both of them?
Did Dorothy still have the stalker issues after Bill died?
What did the neighbors think of all of this?

Final verdict:
A close family member is the most likely suspect.

I really don't know. I do suspect Dorothy, but there's just something missing from this case. It's motive. I just can't figure it out. Maybe it was an old couple just picked at random to harass? Maybe Dorothy and Bill were somewhere in public and did something that made the stalker notice them and it pissed him off? He (if it's a he) seems to have genuine anger in the notes at some points with vague threats. I used to do prank phone calls when I was a kid, and from what I remember, getting old people was the best. I didn't heavy breathe to them, that's just creepy... I am in the camp that if it was a male stalker, he was literally just screwing with them for kicks. Maybe the perpetrator just liked the reaction he was getting from them? It's frustrating because nothing will ever be proven.

We can't tell who wrote the notes, who allegedly attacked Dorothy twice, who called.

We know nothing.

Good day to all fellow UM enthusiasts. I've seen the Wacker's segment so many times I probably can quote most of the episode. I want you to keep an open mind about my theory of this. The most likely suspect is:

Dorothy Wacker! I have based this on a number of observations.

1. The little smirk she gives when Bill is explaining A LONG TIME STALKER HARASSING HER FAMILY. She smiles....for just a second of course. Then it disappears....

2. She is the ONLY person to see a suspect OR interact with ANY suspect.

Those are pure facts there. There's no speculation. Those cannot be debated. This is my best guesses next.

Dorothy when describing what happened to her (hit/tied up) just doesn't seem emotionally connected to the event. There's literally no fear in what she is talking about. That leads me to believe it was staged.

Dorothy would easily be able to hide the items and slowly return them.

Bill genuinely seemed disturbed by all of this with every shot in the episode.

And now for the "phone calls". During the 1980-90s, it was possible to make your own phone ring. You could easily set something up and nobody would be the wiser. I remember doing this as a kid.

It is obvious that the person writing the notes is writing with the other hand to not have their handwriting noticed. (IE, could be a family member)

Ok, so the first note was written in crayon, was the crayon from their house?

The only things I can't explain at all is the bizarre syntax/phrasing of the notes:

cheaper, but will do [what is cheaper? the gun? the old camera?]
you scum i'll get even *can't read the rest* [get even? did the Wackers do something bad to somebody?]
Your lightz are a laugh [well, ok...are they too weak or not good enough?]
zunday didn't do you in next time [ok buddy]
called but didn't anzwer [sorry i was in the bathroom]
Thiz time ha ha [truly a disturbed individual....]
Get the message [no I didn't!]

No fingerprints found.

[I did note most of the S's are just Z's.] This is interesting b/c I can see why the police feel it's the opposite hand....except for scum which would be zcum? Maybe the person knew this just didn't sound right and went for the s? That also leads me to believe [and this is a stretch] due to that slang not being socially acceptable to the note writer....

Could it be possible that Dorothy had some sort of mental breakdown that may have involved dementia, or some other psychosis and this was her way to vent it?

A few unanswered questions [that many have stated]:
There's literally no motive. That's what leads me to mental disorders ALL AROUND.
What if the majority of this is unrelated? (IE, the notes, the calls, the attacks) The one note is linked to a missed call though. The attack also happened with the bizarre crayon wall note also.
Was anything on the video camera from the stalker? He did take it.....and return it....
Was the gun fired before it was returned? Did it have the bullets if there were bullets in the gun to begin with?
What did Bill do for a living?
Phone calls! Were they answered by multiple parties? Were they traced?
Did they ever try *69? [It'll call the person calling back] This is why the phone calls are so dopey.....
Bill was thought of as a suspect, but not Dorothy?
Wasn't it proven that a person could hogtie themselves?
Besides the daughter, the relatives are not participating in the episode....why?
How far did the family live from Dorothy and Bill? Could a family member easily get over there and bang on the house and leave?
Dorothy was always the focus....just like Cindy James. Bill could've been attacked but never was....why, if the stalker hates both of them?
Did Dorothy still have the stalker issues after Bill died?
What did the neighbors think of all of this?

Final verdict:
A close family member is the most likely suspect.

I really don't know. I do suspect Dorothy, but there's just something missing from this case. It's motive. I just can't figure it out. Maybe it was an old couple just picked at random to harass? Maybe Dorothy and Bill were somewhere in public and did something that made the stalker notice them and it pissed him off? He (if it's a he) seems to have genuine anger in the notes at some points with vague threats. I used to do prank phone calls when I was a kid, and from what I remember, getting old people was the best. I didn't heavy breathe to them, that's just creepy... I am in the camp that if it was a male stalker, he was literally just screwing with them for kicks. Maybe the perpetrator just liked the reaction he was getting from them? It's frustrating because nothing will ever be proven.

We can't tell who wrote the notes, who allegedly attacked Dorothy twice, who called.

We know nothing.

Wow, super detailed analysis. I've come to think that it was a family member. I find it hard to believe it was Dorothy or Bill doing it, and maybe I just don't want to believe. I know that even though older people aren't physically as capable of what they used to be, that doesn't mean they're helpless. There are some mean and devious ones, and maybe ones that resent not having the attention and power they used to. I just can't see it with the Wackers though. I respect your opinion on the matter. I still think it was a family member or disgruntled neighbor. Nobody but Dorothy saw the guy in the sketch. That doesn't mean he was made up, but it does make you wonder.

Assuming that Bill and Dorothy did not fabricate the whole thing, (And I honestly am inclined to think they did not) I think it almost had to be a neighbor.

1. Neighbors could be seen near the Wacker's residence and not arouse suspicion.

2. Bill Wacker mentioned he never heard a car. neighbors could access the Wackers property on foot so.

3. Neighbors could stake out the Wackers' house without arousing suspicion and watch from their porch.

4. Neighbors were likely to have seen the Wackers stakeout and could have observed it and found the blind spot.

5. When Dorothy was attacked in 1985, it was the neighbors apparently who came and freed her after she apparently got their attention. But what I never understood, was if Dorothy was gagged and tied on the floor, then how could she have made enough noise to attract the neighbors? Never understood that. Unless, they knew she was there. Of course she didn't recognize her attacker but I think he could have been some hired thug.

6. Dorothy's head injuries after the attacks were apparently real, so seems unlikely she did those to herself. Though this is more of something that points away from the Wackers than it is something pointing to the neighbors.

7. A possible motive for a neighbor could very well have been that they had family or friends they wanted to move in there and as a result wanted the Wackers out, it makes sense.

8. I also wonder if the items returned could have been done by a family member of the tormenter. Maybe it was someone who lived in the same household as who was doing this, and knew it. They felt guilty enough to return the items, but not to turn in their family member. Been known to happen.

So this begs the question how closely did the sheriff's dept investigate the neighbors and their backgrounds? I'm betting not very close other than to ask them if they had seen any suspicious people around. And they were probably looking for someone who resembled the man who attacked Dorothy in 1985. But he could very well have just been some punk who was hired by the real culprits. Someone even pointed out that they thought it was unlikely the Wackers tormenter was rich enough to hire anyone but that's weak, some punks will do something like that for a beer or for quick fix drugs.

And also who was the neighbor who came and freed Dorothy? Doesn't it seem strange she managed to get the neighbor's attention even though her mouth was taped shut? Unless of course the neighbor knew she was there. And by playing the role of rescuer, seems perfectly feasible that could have been a ruse to direct suspicion away from themselves.

Again this is just speculation, the segment made it sound like the neighbors were all elderly like the Wackers, but if there were any young people living nearby, I figure they have to be the prime suspects or at least looked at for possible background and motive.

Unfortunately, we will likely never know the truth about this. But I am still inclined to think they didn't do it themselves, just doesn't sit right.

Things we'll never know now. Both Wackers are long dead. Both were from the WWII era, this is far removed from the era we live in today of social media staging things to get more "clicks" on their podcast or to get more views and subscriptions and such. This mindset just wouldn't have been there with that entire generation.

It could have been anything from an old lover (not implying, just saying it is a possibility) or like someone said a jealous neighbor. Maybe they had a nicer house, maybe it was just a sick individual who got off on it. The attack on Dorothy could be unrelated, but I can't see how she stages that herself. She was actually injured and hit.

It is likely someone they knew, and the fact that it stopped after the show aired (I believe) tells you they got scared off. I am very skeptical about someone going on a show when they are the ones doing it. Reminds me of Tim McClure. This is why I always question people thinking Tim is guilty. He had everything to lose by going on that show if he had killed his mother. Same with Dorothy/Bill here. So if you are guilty you are bringing suspicion on yourself.

Assuming that Bill and Dorothy did not fabricate the whole thing, (And I honestly am inclined to think they did not) I think it almost had to be a neighbor.

1. Neighbors could be seen near the Wacker's residence and not arouse suspicion.

2. Bill Wacker mentioned he never heard a car. neighbors could access the Wackers property on foot so.

3. Neighbors could stake out the Wackers' house without arousing suspicion and watch from their porch.

4. Neighbors were likely to have seen the Wackers stakeout and could have observed it and found the blind spot.

5. When Dorothy was attacked in 1985, it was the neighbors apparently who came and freed her after she apparently got their attention. But what I never understood, was if Dorothy was gagged and tied on the floor, then how could she have made enough noise to attract the neighbors? Never understood that. Unless, they knew she was there. Of course she didn't recognize her attacker but I think he could have been some hired thug.

6. Dorothy's head injuries after the attacks were apparently real, so seems unlikely she did those to herself. Though this is more of something that points away from the Wackers than it is something pointing to the neighbors.

7. A possible motive for a neighbor could very well have been that they had family or friends they wanted to move in there and as a result wanted the Wackers out, it makes sense.

8. I also wonder if the items returned could have been done by a family member of the tormenter. Maybe it was someone who lived in the same household as who was doing this, and knew it. They felt guilty enough to return the items, but not to turn in their family member. Been known to happen.

So this begs the question how closely did the sheriff's dept investigate the neighbors and their backgrounds? I'm betting not very close other than to ask them if they had seen any suspicious people around. And they were probably looking for someone who resembled the man who attacked Dorothy in 1985. But he could very well have just been some punk who was hired by the real culprits. Someone even pointed out that they thought it was unlikely the Wackers tormenter was rich enough to hire anyone but that's weak, some punks will do something like that for a beer or for quick fix drugs.

And also who was the neighbor who came and freed Dorothy? Doesn't it seem strange she managed to get the neighbor's attention even though her mouth was taped shut? Unless of course the neighbor knew she was there. And by playing the role of rescuer, seems perfectly feasible that could have been a ruse to direct suspicion away from themselves.

Again this is just speculation, the segment made it sound like the neighbors were all elderly like the Wackers, but if there were any young people living nearby, I figure they have to be the prime suspects or at least looked at for possible background and motive.

Unfortunately, we will likely never know the truth about this. But I am still inclined to think they didn't do it themselves, just doesn't sit right.

Just because someone is old does not mean they are nice or incapable of doing terrible things. I'm not talking about the Wackers here.

Look up the documentary "The Perfect Neighbor," nominated for an Oscar. That woman in the documentary is an absolute nightmare to the kids in the community. It's all on police video, which is how the documentary is put together. The woman shoots a neighbor and claims self defense. Why? She constantly harassed and bullied the kids playing near her home and the mom of one of the kids got fed up. There was considerable debate online about whether the kids were supposed to play that close, but apparently it was a common area and this woman was a nasty piece of work.

Not all neighbors are nice. My parents were the target of the two families that lived in back of them. My parents never did anything to those families, who pulled all kinds of nonsense.

If it was an older neighbor, they could have had younger relatives who wanted to help them drive off the Wackers.

I think the whole thing with the s being written backwards is as a result of being written with the non dominant hand. Try writing with the hand you normally don't write with, you'll often write s as z.

I always felt the Wackers didn’t do this to themselves. The motive makes no sense and honestly what’s the point??
I always felt though the answer to this case has to do with someone close to the Wackers. Either family or a neighbor, my guess is the man who attacked Dorothy was a hired gun

I always felt the Wackers didn’t do this to themselves. The motive makes no sense and honestly what’s the point??
I always felt though the answer to this case has to do with someone close to the Wackers. Either family or a neighbor, my guess is the man who attacked Dorothy was a hired gun

I agree. Even if Dorothy and Bill suffered from mental illness (and there is no information out there to suggest that they did unlike the case of Cindy James where people openly questioned her mental health), I wonder if this fits the pattern. I tend to doubt it, but then, I'm not an expert in psychiatric disorders.

There's no real motive for them to do this to themselves. It's not like "Gaslight" where the husband is trying to drive the wife crazy. Let's just say for the sake of argument that attention was the motive. There is a limit to what people are willing to endure for attention. I don't think that Dorothy would agree to have herself hit on the head, which could potentially kill her, especially at her age.

I agree. Even if Dorothy and Bill suffered from mental illness (and there is no information out there to suggest that they did unlike the case of Cindy James where people openly questioned her mental health), I wonder if this fits the pattern. I tend to doubt it, but then, I'm not an expert in psychiatric disorders.

There's no real motive for them to do this to themselves. It's not like "Gaslight" where the husband is trying to drive the wife crazy. Let's just say for the sake of argument that attention was the motive. There is a limit to what people are willing to endure for attention. I don't think that Dorothy would agree to have herself hit on the head, which could potentially kill her, especially at her age.
Exactly!!! My issue is no motive. Even the “attention” motive doesn’t make sense because they had no clue Unsolved Mysteries would later come in

Exactly!!! My issue is no motive. Even the “attention” motive doesn’t make sense because they had no clue Unsolved Mysteries would later come in

They got plenty of local attention & likely in the wider state for the best part of a decade.

They got plenty of local attention & likely in the wider state for the best part of a decade.

Okay, fair point. But why would you have yourself knocked on the head, especially as an elderly person? Head injuries are nothing to fool with. Even back then, people knew that. Elderly people are constantly warned about falls, fractures, head injuries, and everything. It was probably true back then too. Of course, they don't always listen to advice, especially from their children.

I could see if they were both several decades younger and reckless, but as you get older, you have a strong sense of your own mortality.

Okay, fair point. But why would you have yourself knocked on the head, especially as an elderly person? Head injuries are nothing to fool with. Even back then, people knew that. Elderly people are constantly warned about falls, fractures, head injuries, and everything. It was probably true back then too. Of course, they don't always listen to advice, especially from their children.

I could see if they were both several decades younger and reckless, but as you get older, you have a strong sense of your own mortality.


if the whackers were doing it to themselves, then it wasn't for attention, that's a very vapid and easy thing to say. if they were doing this to themselves then it was mental illness related.


theres nothing to make me believe in this care this is what it was, but over the last few years, based on a couple of things i've seen, i've seen how easy it is for elderly couples to go off the rails at the same time.. both of them completely convinced of things that never happened...

Okay, fair point. But why would you have yourself knocked on the head, especially as an elderly person? Head injuries are nothing to fool with. Even back then, people knew that. Elderly people are constantly warned about falls, fractures, head injuries, and everything. It was probably true back then too. Of course, they don't always listen to advice, especially from their children.

I could see if they were both several decades younger and reckless, but as you get older, you have a strong sense of your own mortality.

In the excellent write up here recently from a poster based on the case files, there is zero evidence Dorothy was ever hit on the head.

In 1985, when she gave two totally different time frames for the supposed kitchen assault, she despite recovering from heart surgery & having been tied up for hours supposedly-which would restrict her circulation, refused to go to the hospital & be looked at-the only injury was a bruise on her right cheek & jaw which she could have done herself-like Morton Downey Jr who claimed he had been assaulted by skinheads in a public toilet & refused any medical exam, Jussie Smollett, the woman here in the UK who smacked herself in the face with a hammer-claiming abuse by grooming gangs & any other number of attention seeking fantasists over the years.

In 1993 she was taken to the hospital after claiming to have been whacked on the head suffering lacerations to her skull, but the officer who went with her observed there were no injuries at all or blood on her clothing & there was just some dirt on her-indicating she got down on the ground & crawled & apparently the hospital found nothing either, neither did a forensic examination of her clothing. When the detective went to her house to follow up the dog barked like crazy at him, yet not a peep when she was supposedly whacked over the head by some random guy on the property.

Afraid it is pretty clear that Dorothy was a liar & attention seeker & most likely had Munchausen Syndrome or a similar condition that causes these behaviours & was using it to punish a loved one, that perhaps she was not so fond of any longer.

In the excellent write up here recently from a poster based on the case files, there is zero evidence Dorothy was ever hit on the head.

In 1985, when she gave two totally different time frames for the supposed kitchen assault, she despite recovering from heart surgery & having been tied up for hours supposedly-which would restrict her circulation, refused to go to the hospital & be looked at-the only injury was a bruise on her right cheek & jaw which she could have done herself-like Morton Downey Jr who claimed he had been assaulted by skinheads in a public toilet & refused any medical exam, Jussie Smollett, the woman here in the UK who smacked herself in the face with a hammer-claiming abuse by grooming gangs & any other number of attention seeking fantasists over the years.

In 1993 she was taken to the hospital after claiming to have been whacked on the head suffering lacerations to her skull, but the officer who went with her observed there were no injuries at all or blood on her clothing & there was just some dirt on her-indicating she got down on the ground & crawled & apparently the hospital found nothing either, neither did a forensic examination of her clothing. When the detective went to her house to follow up the dog barked like crazy at him, yet not a peep when she was supposedly whacked over the head by some random guy on the property.

Afraid it is pretty clear that Dorothy was a liar & attention seeker & most likely had Munchausen Syndrome or a similar condition that causes these behaviours & was using it to punish a loved one, that perhaps she was not so fond of any longer.

Sorry this is mostly trash. There is no evidence Dorothy had any history of mental illness.

They got plenty of local attention & likely in the wider state for the best part of a decade.
If they did this to themselves, wouldn’t they you know, do it more often instead of what happened?? Why wasn’t this case more known nationwide BEFORE UM?? I just can’t see them doing this to themselves for “attention” especially since they couldn’t predict ahead of time that they’d be featured on Unsolved Mysteries

there is zero evidence Dorothy was ever hit on the head.
Except the fact that they had to call the police and she had to be driven to the hospital!!! I don’t know where you got your information, but if she didn’t have an injury then 911 wouldnt be called

Except the fact that they had to call the police and she had to be driven to the hospital!!! I don’t know where you got your information, but if she didn’t have an injury then 911 wouldnt be called

I don't claim to be an expert on head injuries, but I am pretty sure there are some that can be internal without any outward signs. The confusing thing is the UM episode said Dorothy had skull lacerations, but apparently there is no such injury. Some people think they may have meant scalp lacerations. But I do know for a fact concussions do not always show outward bruising or anything.

However I will say that if she was hit hard enough to be knocked out, there should have at least been a knot on her head you'd think.

But the bottom line remains there is simply nothing in Dorothy's history to indicate she was mentally ill enough to go to these lengths for attention, or whatever they think the motive was.

But the bottom line remains there is simply nothing in Dorothy's history to indicate she was mentally ill enough to go to these lengths for attention, or whatever they think the motive was.
And that bottom line is good for me

Sorry this is mostly trash. There is no evidence Dorothy had any history of mental illness.

True, but it makes more sense than her stories.

Except the fact that they had to call the police and she had to be driven to the hospital!!! I don’t know where you got your information, but if she didn’t have an injury then 911 wouldnt be called

Those facts are not in dispute-but that is all it was an alleged attack & being driven to the hospital to be looked at-neither of these are odd if somebody has reported being assaulted, especially somebody of her age with heart issues.

The information comes from the recent thread here where somebody actually got hold of the police files & wrote a long, detailed account-you had the last post on that thread in late May. Nothing Dorothy said about her 1985 attack added up & neither did it in 1993 for the second alleged attack.

https://grantharwood.substack.com/p/cheaper-but-will-do

I don't claim to be an expert on head injuries, but I am pretty sure there are some that can be internal without any outward signs. The confusing thing is the UM episode said Dorothy had skull lacerations, but apparently there is no such injury. Some people think they may have meant scalp lacerations. But I do know for a fact concussions do not always show outward bruising or anything.

However I will say that if she was hit hard enough to be knocked out, there should have at least been a knot on her head you'd think.

But the bottom line remains there is simply nothing in Dorothy's history to indicate she was mentally ill enough to go to these lengths for attention, or whatever they think the motive was.

Scalp Lacerations nearly always produce blood, no blood was visible on her head or clothing, or when they forensically tested them. No injury of any kind was observed by the officer who filled out his form to say so & it seems nothing was found by the hospital staff.

We don't know Dorothy's medical history-other than she had heart surgery prior to the alleged 1985 attack, the person has the police records, not her medical ones.

What we do know is she told two totally different timeline stories for the 1985 attack & refused to be examined, which is very odd for a not young woman recovering from heart surgery, who had supposedly been hit on the head & spent some time on the floor with her hands restricted which would have cut off blood flow.

Eight years later she is again supposedly struck from behind, but no evidence of any injury or blood. All that was observed was she had some dirt on part of her clothing-indicating she had been on the ground, yet her dog which barked at the cop like crazy when he went to the house made zero noise while she was supposedly attacked by a stranger & on the ground. Indicating she simply laid down on the ground & got the dirt on herself, while concocting this nonsensical story.

There was certainly something going on with Dorothy-either a total hatred of her husband & along with family members who also didn't like him wanting to torture him for the best part of a decade &/or something like the conditions I described, which her behaviour matches very closely.

Scalp Lacerations nearly always produce blood, no blood was visible on her head or clothing, or when they forensically tested them. No injury of any kind was observed by the officer who filled out his form to say so & it seems nothing was found by the hospital staff.

We don't know Dorothy's medical history-other than she had heart surgery prior to the alleged 1985 attack, the person has the police records, not her medical ones.

What we do know is she told two totally different timeline stories for the 1985 attack & refused to be examined, which is very odd for a not young woman recovering from heart surgery, who had supposedly been hit on the head & spent some time on the floor with her hands restricted which would have cut off blood flow.

Eight years later she is again supposedly struck from behind, but no evidence of any injury or blood. All that was observed was she had some dirt on part of her clothing-indicating she had been on the ground, yet her dog which barked at the cop like crazy when he went to the house made zero noise while she was supposedly attacked by a stranger & on the ground. Indicating she simply laid down on the ground & got the dirt on herself, while concocting this nonsensical story.

There was certainly something going on with Dorothy-either a total hatred of her husband & along with family members who also didn't like him wanting to torture him for the best part of a decade &/or something like the conditions I described, which her behaviour matches very closely.

How do we know the dog didn't bark? It could very well have barked and no one paid attention because dogs bark at a lot of things. Its not even clear where Bill was when this happened, but as far as I know he was home. The fact that the dog barked at the officer probably indicates that it barked a lot and maybe no one paid attention because it wasn't unusual.

The dog was also small, so even if someone attacked Dorothy it could not have done much to the intruder but nip at his heels so it probably would have been just a matter of kicking at him then making his escape.

Supposedly Dorothy was taking the dog out to go to the bathroom. So if she was going to fabricate an attack then why bother taking the dog out? Did she just take him out to go to the bathroom then decide hmmm maybe it would be cool to just fake an attack? Possible yes. Likely? Doesn't square with me.

Also as far as seeing no injuries on the part of the cop, if she went to the hospital someone there had to examine her. So did they report the same thing no injuries? Police officers aren't doctors so its hardly that infeasible they could have missed something.

As to Dorothy hating Bill, that's another thing there is simply no evidence for.

It just doesn't add up to me the Wackers had the kind of issues that would lead to them doing years and years of fabricating incidents. It just doesn't. Not saying its impossible but it just doesn't add up to me, I may be wrong.

How do we know the dog didn't bark? It could very well have barked and no one paid attention because dogs bark at a lot of things. Its not even clear where Bill was when this happened, but as far as I know he was home. The fact that the dog barked at the officer probably indicates that it barked a lot and maybe no one paid attention because it wasn't unusual.

The dog was also small, so even if someone attacked Dorothy it could not have done much to the intruder but nip at his heels so it probably would have been just a matter of kicking at him then making his escape.

Supposedly Dorothy was taking the dog out to go to the bathroom. So if she was going to fabricate an attack then why bother taking the dog out? Did she just take him out to go to the bathroom then decide hmmm maybe it would be cool to just fake an attack? Possible yes. Likely? Doesn't square with me.

Also as far as seeing no injuries on the part of the cop, if she went to the hospital someone there had to examine her. So did they report the same thing no injuries? Police officers aren't doctors so its hardly that infeasible they could have missed something.

As to Dorothy hating Bill, that's another thing there is simply no evidence for.

It just doesn't add up to me the Wackers had the kind of issues that would lead to them doing years and years of fabricating incidents. It just doesn't. Not saying its impossible but it just doesn't add up to me, I may be wrong.

We know because the cop asked Dorothy why her dog didn't bark as per her & Bill's initial statement-after he had gone to the house & it went nuts at him, she made a lame excuse.

It would not matter the dogs size-this was a loud dog that would have barked at his mistress being attacked, regardless of whether it intervened or not. It barks at a guy walking up the path, but not a guy attacking his owner-yeah, sure.

The same Dorothy who in 1985 after burglaries & recovering from heart surgery lets a total stranger into her house while alone, turns her back on him & who tells two different stories when the cops arrive-nothing about her/the goings on in that house from 1984-1994 makes any logical sense.

There is no detail-but there is no evidence they found anything either, she didn't appear to be treated for any injuries & was out pretty quickly. Police officers aren't doctors-but I think they would notice head wounds & blood. The forensic examination of her clothing found no blood, only some dirt.

There is no direct evidence of her hating Bill, but it certainly does appear to be a concerted effort from her & family members who would have had to have assisted her (we know from the police record some family members later diverted the investigation on purpose to throw suspicion elsewhere) to drive him insane. She was the one attacked twice, never him.

I suspect in the late 1980's when things calmed down certain family members had either moved away for work, or things were more settled between him & Dorothy/them & they picked up again when they moved back/things went south again.

From the show I don't see Bill as being an easy guy to live with & for people from that era divorce was something shameful. I think at some point he knew, at least heavily suspected who it was & likely went to UM hoping the publicity would end it, Which it pretty much did.

After the show aired I believe there was just one final incident three months after the segment aired as per that article-a pathetic attempt at coming through the front door, when it could have easily been forced-whether that was the last hurrah of one of the family, or just a whacko who had seen the segment & is like those ghouls who turn up at murder houses to be nuisance who knows. After that it is pretty much just one of the Wackers daughters trying to throw the investigators off with talk of psychics having visions & blaming neighbours in 1995/early 1996.

this thread is a classic example of the ol' "if i believe it then it's true, if it's not part of my theory then "theres no proof"