Should the possession and selling of drugs be leagal? and if you think so then what drugs do you want? and should they be given to anyone or just people with a certain piece of paper? i have to give presentation on tuesday in my public speaking class so i was wondering if you guys can help?...thanx a ton

As far as medications like penicilin goes, you should have to get a prescription. But, if you're talking about marijuana, I'd say, since we legalize cigarrettes, I'd say, why not, as long as it's only available to people who are 19 and older, just like other tobacco products.

I don't think it should be legal at all to sell or have posession of drugs (illegal ones) because they mess with people too much. That crap screws with people's minds and makes them go crazy and do things they might not otherwise have done had they not been high. Sometimes causing them to become violent and hurt or kill innocent people.

If you really feel the need to have that "high" feeling go make love to your bf/gf. That's probably the best high anyway. Safe sex... not just with anybody on the streets.

Originally posted by MidnightRose21498
I don't think it should be legal at all to sell or have posession of drugs (illegal ones) because they mess with people too much. That crap screws with people's minds and makes them go crazy and do things they might not otherwise have done had they not been high. Sometimes causing them to become violent and hurt or kill innocent people.

If you really feel the need to have that "high" feeling go make love to your bf/gf. That's probably the best high anyway. Safe sex... not just with anybody on the streets. What crap screws with peoples minds? Heroine? Marijuana? Does marijuana make people go crazy and kill innocent people?

So, I take it, you think that screwing is the answer to all of our drug issues? :lol: Damn, why didn't the politicians think of that.

drinking is worse then pot..but I dont get why drinking is legalized...yah

I don't think illegal drugs like pot should become legal. When you buy illegal drugs you could be benefiting a bad cause, and it isn't good for your health.

Originally posted by Dr. Frasier Crane
I don't think illegal drugs like pot should become legal. When you buy illegal drugs you could be benefiting a bad cause, and it isn't good for your health. I don't know if the "bad cause" you're refering to is based on that latest shill of comercials about the teenage girl who bought pot form her friend which lead all the way up to the sleazy looking member of the ominous "cartel" but marijuana doesn't require a cartel. Regular Joes and Janes from any town USA sell marijuana that they grew in thier Joe and Jane basement or thieir Joe and Jane back forty.

"What crap screws with peoples minds? Heroine? Marijuana? Does marijuana make people go crazy and kill innocent people?

So, I take it, you think that screwing is the answer to all of our drug issues? Damn, why didn't the politicians think of that."

All of those drugs screws with your head. It changes your personality, turns your brain to mush, and makes you act crazy. People get addicted to the stuff and some end up overdosing.

I'm just saying, if you have sex safely then you get your "high" and you don't hurt other people by doing it.

If you go back and look at most of the violent acts people have done or looked at the news... most of it's related to drugs.

You can't get addicted to marijuana and marijuana doesn't cause people to become violent.

Omg, everyone @ homecoming was stoned. My friend Rob was cos his cousin gave him pot, we tried to get him away but he wouldn't come and Alex HUGGED the pothead dude. We were like OMG ALEX!!! and she goes "What? He's hot!!" I think I don't like Alex anymore.

Originally posted by kittflynn
I don't know if the "bad cause" you're refering to is based on that latest shill of comercials about the teenage girl who bought pot form her friend which lead all the way up to the sleazy looking member of the ominous "cartel" but marijuana doesn't require a cartel. Regular Joes and Janes from any town USA sell marijuana that they grew in thier Joe and Jane basement or thieir Joe and Jane back forty.

Yea I know, I guess if someone grows it and keeps it away from everyone else and then smokes it, its better then selling it to young kids and pressuring people to smoke it themselves.

Let me start by saying yes, I do drink......a lot..... so you can call me a hypocrite if you want but I do not think that drugs - in any shape or form - should be made legal.
I can't stand potheads, they are the most boring b#stards on the planet! People who tell you that pot is harmless are liars. It is a gateway drug. I know loads of people who smoke pot but they are all on harder drugs aswell. They have a bit of weed and think "oh this is marvelous, I'm gonna try something harder". My friends cousin started smoking weed when he was only a teenager - he ended up on heroin. He went to jail for years for drug possesion and ended up dying of an overdose before his 23rd birthday!
Fair enough, drunks - and it's always men, you know - can have a tendency to be violent and I concede that you will never see a stoned person trying to start a fight. But have you ever tried to have a conversation with someone who is stoned? It's impossible!! At least if a person is drunk you can still talk to them!
I guess that, by telling you how intolerant I am of pot smoking, I don't need to tell you that I am against the legalisation of any other drugs aswell. I won't be swayed on the issue. I'm happy to discuss it with anyone - I welcome other people's veiws on any subject - but I'm not likely to change my mind.

The "gateway" argument could be applied to cigarette smoking or alcohol. If one drinks or smokes one might be more apt to try pot. But the fact is many, many people smoke pot but don't use any other drugs and many pot smokers don't drink either. Or maybe they tried or used other drugs for a time but stopped. Anyone who tells you flat-out that marijuana is a gateway drug is lying or misstating because there is no, absolutely no proof of that. Anyone who tells you that it mght be or that it might not be is expressing an opinion.

Being bored by pot smokers is one hell of a ludicrous argument for locking them up, Mossopp. Besides, I've had drunks come up and give me that ol' arm around the shoulder, stincky breath in the face, and the ol' "howya been doin buddy?" Yeah, real great conversationalist those drunks are, huh! On the other hand I've had perfectly normal conversations with people who have been smoking pot. Your experience is anecdotal and doesn't come close to a good argument for spending billions of dollars and huge amounts of man-power running down marijuana smokers in order to thin out the number of poor conversationalists in public.

Originally posted by kittflynn
Regular Joes and Janes from any town USA sell marijuana that they grew in thier Joe and Jane basement or thieir Joe and Jane back forty.

You mean Joes and MARY Janes.

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

In general...Drugs should not be legalized.... but I'm fine with alcohol and cigarettes....

Swimfan85 says that alcohol is worse than pot, but doesn't understand why alcohol is legalized. Well, about 80 years ago, the United States did have a period known as Prohibition where
the manufacture, consumption and sale of alcohol was illegal.
It didn't work: Speakeasies were set up where people would go underground and drink, as well as organized crime making a profit from the sale of illegal alcohol. Prohibition was repealed in the early 30's.

Btw, does anyone know how to post someone's quote on here?
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Actually, where I live right now they are running a vote to legalize the use of Marijuana as long as you're inside your own home (This going for the medication use of Marijuana AND people that smoke it regularly for non medical reasons.) , and not out in public. It's been all over television lately. "Vote Yes On 9" is the vote saying yes to legalize it. Their promotion is saying... "Let the police spend more time going after rapists and murderers." etc...

I don't really know what to think of it. I mean, I've never smoked or been around anyone smoking it.

Sure, I may have friends that do, but they have enough respect for me where they know not to smoke it anywhere around me.

As for other harder drugs such as needles drugs, etc.. Shouldn't be legalized. People do them otherwise, but I think it'd become more and more easier for people to get their hands on them. Therefore, spreading the amount of people on them

I tried pot once but I felt bad about it, it was no big deal though. If people want to smoke I think they should be able to, sometimes people have such bad problems and can be so depressed they want something to take that away.

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie
Swimfan85 says that alcohol is worse than pot, but doesn't understand why alcohol is legalized. Well, about 80 years ago, the United States did have a period known as Prohibition where
the manufacture, consumption and sale of alcohol was illegal.
It didn't work: Speakeasies were set up where people would go underground and drink, as well as organized crime making a profit from the sale of illegal alcohol. Prohibition was repealed in the early 30's.

Btw, does anyone know how to post someone's quote on here?
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I know where some of those underground things are! In NJ anyway. ones under a church or something (go figure...) but w/e. They might as well legalize pot. SO many people are on it. More kids (my age) are on pot then alcohol or cigs. I mean having ti be illegal is pointless. Just as pointless as prohibition was. I mean, they shouldn't make Herion legal because... well thats really bad. But pot is just to easy to get and to widly used to continue being illegal.

I don't smoke (no dealers in catholic school... LOL). Yeah... w/e. pots really no worse than smoking. Smoking kills ur lungs and gives u cancer, Pot kills ur brain and u can OD on it. Alcohol kills ur liver, and u can die on it. U can die from everything. U can die of a water overdose.

Originally posted by Blair's My Cherry Pie


Btw, does anyone know how to post someone's quote on here?
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Okay, do you see the menu towards the top of each persons post that has "Profile PM Email Search Buddy Edit Quote"

Go to the person that you want to quote and click quote. It ought to come up in your reply window the person's quote. Hope that's what you meant.

Originally posted by tootiefan4life
If people want to smoke I think they should be able to, sometimes people have such bad problems and can be so depressed they want something to take that away.

Then drink - that's what I do, I'm not ashamed of it - at least that's legal and I'm not breaking the law. And when I do drink I make sure that I'm away from other people and I'm not likely to bother anyone. I'm sick of stoned idiots getting in my face and bugging me. They bore me sh#tless! If they wanna smoke then who am I to stop 'em? I just wish they'd keep it away from me!

Originally posted by Mossopp


Then drink - that's what I do, I'm not ashamed of it - at least that's legal and I'm not breaking the law. And when I do drink I make sure that I'm away from other people and I'm not likely to bother anyone. I'm sick of stoned idiots getting in my face and bugging me. They bore me sh#tless! If they wanna smoke then who am I to stop 'em? I just wish they'd keep it away from me!

If you were telling me to drink to get away from that, nah I was just saying thats why some of the people I know smoke. I don't smoke or drink and never will and I'm only 16... so yeah I don't want to die from drinking or smoking.

I don't think drugs should be made legal....So many people already do it even though it is illegal... imagine how many will if it does become legal....

And the whole drinking and smoking to solve depression is crap....argh If you have that many problems go on some kind of medication that is made specifically to treat that, otherwise why should those who drink and do drugs be the only one exempt from reality? everyone else has to live life....why exactly is it ok for them to forget their problems?' ...' idk...thats my opinion

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind

And the whole drinking and smoking to solve depression is crap....argh If you have that many problems go on some kind of medication that is made specifically to treat that, otherwise why should those who drink and do drugs be the only one exempt from reality? everyone else has to live life....why exactly is it ok for them to forget their problems?' ...' idk...thats my opinion

Don't judge me. I do "live life" - I put up with reality Monday to Friday and it drives me crazy. If I wanna get blasted at the weekend and forget it all then I will. I'm not harming anyone but myself so who cares?
Live a week in my shoes and see if you still wanna stay sober by the end of it!!

Originally posted by Mossopp


Don't judge me. I do "live life" - I put up with reality Monday to Friday and it drives me crazy. If I wanna get blasted at the weekend and forget it all then I will. I'm not harming anyone but myself so who cares?
Live a week in my shoes and see if you still wanna stay sober by the end of it!!

I'm not judgeing you personally...hey do what you want I, nor anyone else can stop you, I'm just saying that there are alot of other things that you can do than drink....I really don't see what anyone gets positively out of it.....

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
I don't think drugs should be made legal....So many people already do it even though it is illegal... imagine how many will if it does become legalDo you smoke pot? And if not, is it because it's illegal, or because you don't want to. Would you smoke pot if it was legal? And if not, what makes you think that others who don't smoke pot when it's illegal would smoke it if it were legal?

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


I'm not judgeing you personally...hey do what you want I, nor anyone else can stop you, I'm just saying that there are alot of other things that you can do than drink....I really don't see what anyone gets positively out of it.....

I'm sorry if I sounded aggressive - I didn't mean to.
I don't really get anything positive out of my drinking habit. Sure, I feel good for a few hours, but I always take it too far and end up being really really sick, or getting a bad hangover, or making an idiot of myself infront or my friends or family.
It's hard to explain it to a regular person (and I'm really trying now - you should all be greatful ;) ) but once you start drinking to escape your problems it's difficult to stop.
I hate my job, I don't have any real friends, I live with my parents and we don't get on at all, I don't have a girlfriend and the work I do means I never get a chance to meet new people.......
It sounds futile, but getting smashed out of my brain means that I don't have to think about all of these sh#tty things. I can put some music on and have a wee dance and pretend that everything is fine.
I can't remember the last weekend that I was sober.
I tried.
A couple of weekends ago I said to myself "right, I'm gonna get through this without the help of alcohol" but I couldn't do it. I went out with a girlfriend on the Saturday and managed to take my mind off things but I sat in the house alone on the Sunday and I got the shakes so bad!!!! I ended up going to the shop for a six-pack and some whiskey - I had to - and getting really sh't-faced cos I couldn't handle being sober alone.
To be honest, it is quite a scary situation. My father is an alcoholic and I don't want to end up like him but I don't know what to do. I'm being really really honest with you all now - and the only reason I'm telling you all this is cos I'm drunk at the moment - and it's tough. People see drunk folks and they just think "oh that's so pathetic - get a life!" but it's not always that simple. There's other issues involved.

You have probably lost all respect for me now, but thanks for listening anyway.

Mossopp, relax...Honesty, which is what you've put out here, is worth a lot. We - or I - haven't lost respect for you. But, at the moment, I'm watching the World Series so I'll get back yo you later about the meat of your post. :).

We haven't lost respect for you. It takes a brave person to be honest. Being in denial is the bad part. It is hard when your parents drink and it seems like the thing to do.

mossop-if it makes u feel any better I used to drink hard liquor several times a week, and at the time I was 13. Sooo... at least ur legal! i haven't lost respect for you. Compared to the alcoholics in my family... you dont even rank on the scale! you aughta see my uncle. Sugar diabetes and he gets so drunk he goes into a "coma like state" for like days on end, and my aunts been on stuff (drugs and alcohol) since she was 16 (goin on 56. ick). yeah. MOO. ok.

Mossopp....it was really brave of you to post all that and I respect you for being so open. I agree with you that people shouldn't always be so quick to judge others when they see them drunk. Personally, I think the same consideration should be extended to all drug users, even "potheads". But I won't belabor the issue with you because I know I'm not going to change your mind. If you think you are devloping a drinking problem (and as you indicted you thought your behavior was "scary") I urge you to seek help. I'm sure you've heard it before, and really what does the advicec of a near-stranger across the ocean mean....but really, I like you, and I care about what happens to you....

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So anyhoo.....

I am 100% in favor of the legalization of marijuana. The "gateway" argument is twisted logic. Just because all hard drug users used pot (and studies show nearly all did) does not automatically mean all pot users move on to harder drugs (studies back this up).

As for the legalization of other drugs....believe it or not, I would give a cautious "yes" to the idea. My mind is not set in stone on this issue....however many countries have legalized all drugs right up to and including heroin, and so far as far as I know things have been working out pretty well. Heroin is legal in Australia, and they have little "heroin bars" or something or other where it is legal to use. (You can't just shoot up on the street). But drug addiction really is a disease, no matter how much you all think drug users are "losers" who need to live life. They need help and for now at least Australia is providing them with a safe environment to get what they need, which has reduced both drug related crime and drug related disease. I believe one of the Scandanavian countries also just legalized all drugs, but don't quote me on that. If any of you are interested in more, I urge you to look into the situations in those countries. Things may have changed since I was last abreast on the issue, but my thinking is that legalizing all drugs (with common sense limitations on the age you have to be to use, the places you can use, etc.) is not really as bad as all the naysayers would have you believe. Some would have you believe it was the apocolypse or something, which it clearly hasn't been for other countries. However, I am well aware that what may work for one culture/society/country will not necessarily work for all countries, so that is why I said I gave a "cautious" yes.

My only other thought on this issue is that needles need to be made legal to own and possess. Did you all know that if you have a needle and syringe on you without being able to prove that you have a valid reason for having it (such as needing allergy shots or being diabetic, etc.) that you can be arrested? This was a "brilliant" plan first implemented in NYC as an effort to curb heroin use. Well BIG FRIGGIN SURPRISE the users did not stop using, and since they could no longer carry their own needles, needle sharing and IV-drug related disease skyrocketed. There used to be "needle programs" in NYC where volunteers would distribute free needles to heroin users, so they could own their own needle and not share. If they ever needed a new needle, they could go get another one. But, using the same twisted logic of "give the kid a condom and he'll have sex", NYC lawmakers said, "give a person a needle and they'll use heroin." Hopefully you all can see how ludicrus that line of "logic" is. So not only were the needle programs made illegal but it becamse illegal to even own a needle. This is a stupid and frankly blatantly irresponsible law that needs to be repealed now if it hasn't already been.

#1_Nancy_McKeon: Do you live in New York? Cause I see commercials all the time about legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes...


Jinny Girl: The pot speakeasy here is the high school parking lot...
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my friend was totally trashed from las night...provided some good amusment

Not to start a huge argument here, but what exactly do you accomplish by legalizing illegal drugs. You are just encouraging these people to continue with their self destruction and letting kids know that it's okay to do it when you grow up. That it's okay to use drugs to run away from problems. Because other than for curiosity and peer influence, that's probably how most addicts got started.

I would just like to know the "pros" to getting drugs legalized because as far as I can tell there are none.

Originally posted by MidnightRose21498
I would just like to know the "pros" to getting drugs legalized because as far as I can tell there are none.

Legalizing drugs is an "outside the box" way of looking at how to improve the problem.

An unbelievable amount of money is funneled into unsuccessful drug control programs. Not wasting all that money on tracking down and locking up nonviolent drug users opens up that money to be used in treatment and education programs. Treat the addiction, lower drug use. Throw the user in jail and (possibly) release later doesn't change a damn thing. Throw the dealer in jail and there is always another dealer more than willing to assume more business, therefore, doesn't change a damn thing.

The very illegality (is that a word?) of drugs exposes users to other illegal activity.

The illegality of drugs forces users to "score" in less than ideal environments and situations, often exposing the user and others to disease.

Time and money spent by law enforcement chasing drug users can be used for fighting other crime.

Rest assured if drugs were ever made legal in the U.S. their sale and manufacture would NOT be controlled by foreign cartels. U.S. entrepeneurs would want in on that action, and would likely eventually get most of the business in the long run. Elimination of drug cartels eliminates the crime associated with them.

This is just a short list.

No one would ever argue (I don't think) that legalizing drugs is some wonderful magical thing that would solve all our problems. The goal is to consider ways that reduce the problems associated with drugs. Humans have abused mind-altering chemicals since the dawn of man. No amount of time, money, D. A. R. E. cops, or hot-air political speeches are EVER going to change that.

Remember, what has been tried for the past century is NOT working. Think outside the box.