During the mid-to-late 2010s, there has been a gradual shift of closed-captioning for scripted and non-live programming from all-capital-letters to mixed-case or sentence-case. However, there remains a significant amount of movies, and a few TV series-es, that retain their decades-old uppercase-only closed-captioning on SVoD platforms like Tubi and The Roku Channel. A lot of Warner Bros.'s best old films (including the MGM films released prior to 1986) still have not had their CC converted to lowercase on SVoD platforms as of 2024. But what about the non-WB films retaining their old capitals-only CC on SVoD? Specifically, any old movie or TV show with CC styles 1 and 4 on this list (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=6286425&postcount=39) (those styles look the most antagonizing). Most of those programs' CC was done by either the National Captioning Institute or VITAC.

I'll give you some examples of the films and TV shows whose lack of mixed-case CC when available on SVoD I'm upset about right now (especially given that none of them are owned by Warner Bros.).

Films
On Golden Pond
Shampoo (1975)
Raging Bull
Braveheart
The Legend of Billie Jean

TV Series
Green Acres
Family Ties
Diff'rent Strokes
Gimme a Break!
Pee-Wee's Playhouse

Closed-captioning check for this week's list:

Yep, yep, all good this week... except for Strong Medicine. Only season one of that Lifetime series has sentence case CC, and its remaining five seasons have uppercase-only VITAC CC. I despise VITAC's dreadful all-capitals CC style. Never mind that some episodes of Strong Medicine are missing on The Roku Channel; If you can't have the entire series have sentence-case CC for SVoD, don't bother offering that series on SVoD at all.

Closed-captioning check for this week's list:

Yep, yep, all good this week... except for Strong Medicine. Only season one of that Lifetime series has sentence case CC, and its remaining five seasons have uppercase-only VITAC CC. I despise VITAC's dreadful all-capitals CC style. Never mind that some episodes of Strong Medicine are missing on The Roku Channel; If you can't have the entire series have sentence-case CC for SVoD, don't bother offering that series on SVoD at all.

I thought everyone agreed to move this silly closed captioning debate elsewhere.

I thought everyone agreed to move this silly closed captioning debate elsewhere.

:angryfireIT'S NOT SILLY!:angryfire Not the appropriate word for this. How is a distributor making its old shows retain their uppercase-only CC on streaming while a lot of other programs already had their CC changed to lowercase "silly"? I LIKE FOR MY FAVORITE TV PROGRAMS TO HAVE ONLY SENTENCE CASE CLOSED-CAPTIONING.

:angryfireIT'S NOT SILLY!:angryfire Not the appropriate word for this. How is a distributor making its old shows retain their uppercase-only CC on streaming while a lot of other programs already had their CC changed to lowercase "silly"? I LIKE FOR MY FAVORITE TV PROGRAMS TO HAVE ONLY SENTENCE CASE CLOSED-CAPTIONING.

You're right, it's not silly, it's STUPID!!!!!! Please go away. You're ruining my whole page.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.NbBVmkCAL4DlHEzCU67ljQHaEK?w=287&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.2&pid=1.7

James28,

Please stop hijacking threads. I moved posts to this thread.

You're right, it's not silly, it's STUPID!!!!!! Please go away. You're ruining my whole page.

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:angryfireSAL, I WANT THOSE ALL-CAPS VITAC CAPTIONS GONE, AND I MEAN IT!:angryfire I'm not kidding around. We're not going to have all-caps CC in 2025.

We're not going to have all-caps CC in 2025.

Yes, we are. Mwa-ha ha


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I dont wanna make anyone mad but I like all uppercase in the CC :)

Yes, we are. Mwa-ha ha


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^^F**k. You.

Hehe lets be nice now :)


Whats the problem Jimmy with all uppercase buddy?

^^Forget it, I never wanted to butt heads with hardheads, anyway.

Im sorry your having a hard time,I dont wanna make it harder for ya...

Your right if they used the proper case it wouldnt be bad... I think its easier for them to send it all one case and I have noticed ppl usually take the easy way out...


I hope your happier soon honey,im sorry your upset...

Thank you Jimmy for being a valued member with us :)

^^All-caps CC is being phased out for scripted programs on SVoD. What are you going to do to stop such a phase-out?

^ Are you making the decisions? Do you work for the networks or the VPDs in charge of closed-captioning distribution? Are you making the rules?

Do you have any other reason other than "not liking" all capital CC? What's the deal here and why does it matter so much? Tell me in plain English.

^^I don't want to right now. TJ will have a better answer. Let all-caps CC on old scripted programming be phased out, please.

^^I don't want to right now. TJ will have a better answer. Let all-caps CC on old scripted programming be phased out, please.

What kind of an answer is that? Since this is such an important issue for you then you should be able to articulate why.

^^All those holdouts at Warner Bros. Pictures and Lionsgate (pre-2012). End of story. Now will you stop forcing stuff out of me?

^^All those holdouts at Warner Bros. Pictures and Lionsgate (pre-2012). End of story. Now will you stop forcing stuff out of me.

I still don’t have a good reason, but it’s ok.

^^What are you going to do to stop these all-caps to mixed-case CC conversions? I will never be comfortable with all-caps closed-captioning again, I want all future programs I watch to only have mixed-case closed captioning, and you are not going to force me to repeat the same thing over and over.

^^What are you going to do to stop these all-caps to mixed-case CC conversions? I will never be comfortable with all-caps closed-captioning again, I want all future programs I watch to only have mixed-case closed captioning, and you are not going to force me to repeat the same thing over and over.

I’m not forcing you to repeat the same thing. I’m asking why it matters so much to you? Why aren’t you comfortable with it and how does it impact your TV viewing?

Are you deaf or hard of hearing? Do you “need” closed-captioning?

^^You are giving me a headache right now. Just get off this thread, please! I'm not going to argue with you anymore.

^^You are giving me a headache right now. Just get off this thread, please! I'm not going to argue with you anymore.

It’s not arguing as I’m just asking for your reasoning so I understand why this issue is so important to you.

If you can’t or won’t explain why then I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s not arguing as I’m just asking for your reasoning so I understand why this issue is so important to you.

If you can’t or won’t explain why then I don’t know what to tell you.

And there's really no going back on the conversion front, because there are fewer programs having all-caps CC vs. the majority that has sentence-case CC. Just wait till TJ responds and gives you a better answer on why all-caps CC is being erased.

And there's really no going back on the conversion front, because there are fewer programs having all-caps CC vs. the majority that has sentence-case CC. Just wait till TJ responds and gives you a better answer on why all-caps CC is being erased.

What does TJ have to do with it? I’m asking you.

This is your crusade.

And there's really no going back on the conversion front, because there are fewer programs having all-caps CC vs. the majority that has sentence-case CC. Just wait till TJ responds and gives you a better answer on why all-caps CC is being erased.

I'm not sure what TJ is expected to respond to. He may, but I haven't seen him post, and take a position.

I understand that you don't like all-caps closed captions, but I just don't know why. There's got to be a reason to be so motivated.

Also, I wonder if this is an issue that's widely debated, and when you google it, there are some old results from 2011 and 2013. Here is some more recent info. that states there is some reasoning for retaining some all-caps closed captions:

https://www.ncicap.org/nciblog/do-you-prefer-all-caps-or-mixed-case-captions

I understand that you don't like all-caps closed captions, but I just don't know why. There's got to be a reason to be so motivated.


:angryfireJUST STOP ASKING WHY, PLEASE! YOU ARE DOING NOTHING BUT GIVING ME A HEADACHE EVERY TIME YOU STATE THAT FORCE A REASON OUT OF ME!

A majority of films and TV shows being presented on SVoD platforms have already had their CC done in sentence-case, but Warner Bros. and Lionsgate's old movies are retaining the capitals-only closed captioning on SVoD platforms like Tubi and The Roku Channel, and WB and Lionsgate too stubborn to convert that CC to mixed case. I haven't watched a full WB movie in seven months because of this. Don't make me repeat this again.

That result you presented was before the shift to mixed-case, anyway. I'm not kidding when I state that I really want those all-capital closed-captions gone. I despise both NCI-CAP AND VITAC because of this (NCI-CAP more so because they had to wait until the Spring of 2024 to do All-American's CC in mixed-case).

Are you Rita from the Power Rangers? :lol:

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^^You better **** off, boy. I'm not going to play the kind of games you want to play with you or anyone else.

I'm not kidding when I state that I really want those all-capital closed-captions gone.

The question is why?

Don’t be giving any of those responses like “I don’t want to”, “You can’t make me”, “I have a headache” … that sounds like something a child throwing a tantrum would say.

I don’t understand how this issue is so important to you and you won’t provide any reason for it.

JamesG, please leave me alone. I do not have to be at your mercy when there are other users that will provide a better, and nicer, response than you. Get off this thread and quit targeting me. I mean it this time.

I'll stop, but I'll close with this... How can you expect to be taken seriously if you can't back up what you are advocating for? You say this issue with CC is not silly or stupid, but you haven't provided any reason why this issue is so important for you. Do you need to watch TV and movies in closed-captioning?

Ok, Warner Bros. Pictures and Lionsgate are holding out but how does that impact you? I wasn't the only one who asked you as Stevea also asked (another Moderator btw) and you flipped out at him as well.

Another thing, stop needlessly reporting posts just because you don't like them.

It's because of the advances in technology allowing closed-captioning decoders to have lowercase letters, not just uppercase letters. This is why the gradual shift towards programs using lowercase CC, and in turn why my resentment towards certain distributors (Like Warner Bros.) not wanting to get sentence-case CC for their old movies. And if they do get their CC updated in the future, I am confident that they WILL be in sentence-case no matter what, and that is why I am pushing for such updates to actually be done. I have already accepted beforehand that programs that aren't live events can't be closed-captioned only in uppercase anymore.

Thanks for explaining.

I'd suggest writing to the companies involved, or using contact forms on their websites. This may not work, but it might make your chances better.

I agree with JamesG about needlessly reporting posts. Reporting posts should involve violations of board rules.

All right, let's clear this thread and start afresh with the intent of providing examples. Everything except the opening post deleted.

I reported JamesG's (and my own) posts because I hate getting into too-heated fights on this thread, and his posts can easily strike a nerve, behaving in a way a moderator doesn't need to (and behaving in a way other users wouldn't) and I didn't want him being the only user to respond to me and be at his mercy. I mean, if another fight/dispute over a show distributed by Sony Pictures Television I'm getting into was going to get this nasty, I may as well stop watching shows from that company altogether.

I think the user (You and me) should be able to select UPPERCASE or Mixed case in the captions... (Have it be an option)

All right, let's clear this thread and start afresh with the intent of providing examples. Everything except the opening post deleted.

I reported JamesG's (and my own) posts because I hate getting into too-heated fights on this thread, and his posts can easily strike a nerve, behaving in a way a moderator doesn't need to (and behaving in a way other users wouldn't) and I didn't want him being the only user to respond to me and be at his mercy. I mean, if another fight/dispute over a show distributed by Sony Pictures Television I'm getting into was going to get this nasty, I may as well stop watching shows from that company altogether.

Do you realize how many times I would have been reporting posts if a thread I had started didn't go the way I'd liked or if a member I didn't really care for was posting on it? Reporting posts for those reasons are not the way to go.

It wasn't a fight or dispute, I was asking for clarification from you and, for some reason, you couldn't/wouldn't provide it. The only one getting angry and flipping out was you. Wouldn't it have been much better if you responded with the post where you (somewhat) explained your reasoning instead of getting mad?

^^I thought reporting was the only way to get TJ's attention quicker because responding to PMs takes time, and I swear I wish we had more than one administrator on this board (even with Janice being inactive for some time). I didn't want JamesG getting mean, and JamesG got mean anyway, and some of his posts constitute mocking and bullying (don't expect me to tolerate it any further; I WILL get agitated). Mean posts are a waste of thread space because this board has 15 posts per page compared to 20 for several other forums. I didn't want to respond to only JamesG and be at his mercy; I wanted to reply to a different user.

Lets be nice to each other guys,this isnt worth fighting over! (Ah man!!)

What do you think of my idea James?

If we had an option to select UPPERCASE or Mixed on our consoles?

^^It would be nice, but I'm not changing my position on future closed-captioning jobs needing to be only in sentence case. All-capitals CC will no longer be used on any programming other than live or same-day events.

I wish we had more than one administrator on this board (even with Janice being inactive for some time)We do. Pavan never stopped being an administrator.

I didn't want to respond to only JamesG and be at his mercy; I wanted to reply to a different user.

I don't want a lot of things as well, but that's not how the world works. Members don't have a say in who responds to them.

If you don't like it... welcome to the internet.

^^Don't try to make me care; Just shut the fxxk up and get off this thread. You don't deserve to reply to me anymore, because you're just too mean and difficult to deal with.

^^Don't try to make me care; Just shut the fxxk up and get off this thread. You don't deserve to reply to me anymore, because you're just too mean and difficult to deal with.

I've said my piece, but just remember that you don't make the rules. You're not going to get your way by cursing, screaming, and stomping your feet.

This thread has run its course.

James28, feel free to copy the first and/or second post into a new thread if you want to stick to just examples.

I don't want any additional hijacking of Sal's thread (or any other threads). I want the examples and discussion in only your own thread. Thanks for your cooperation.

I won't be changing the posts per page from 15 to 20. 15 is the default. We need all the page views possible.

I copied the first post into a new thread. Everyone had their say. Let's try to keep it civilized.

The question is what can be done about it. In a perfect world, both options would be available. A person could choose the style they want.
Maybe a petition could work.

We can ask them to give people an option Todd to either see ALL CAPS or reg cases in the captions... (On thier consoles)

We can always bring back Garrett Morris….

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https://youtu.be/GwSh0dAaqIA?si=Iy0bYpHjfok20-5_

Thats a good idea,lets do it Opus!!

I've stood out of this thread for a bit and I see that other users besides me have replied. I haven't seen any responses to those posts from James28.

I should be seeing gratitude after the stink he made about "responding to other members besides me."

:nonono:

I've stood out of this thread for a bit and I see that other users besides me have replied. I haven't seen any responses to those posts from James28.

I should be seeing gratitude after the stink he made about "responding to other members besides me."

:nonono:

To be fair, my suggestion that Garrett Morris should come over and shout the dialogue isn’t exactly feasible.

To be fair, my suggestion that Garrett Morris should come over and shout the dialogue isn’t exactly feasible.

You didn’t even get a “F off the thread” reply. :lol:

You didn’t even get a “F off the thread” reply. :lol:

That's reserved for moderators lol!

We can always bring back Garrett Morris….

I'm so old I remember the live SNL when he and Chevy did that bit.

That's reserved for moderators lol!But Stevie you ARE a moderator buddy :)

Ah man!!

But Stevie you ARE a moderator buddy :)

Ah man!!

Right he told me to f off too when I commented.

Ah I didnt see it that time!!

I think he was having a hard time.. Alot of us are,its hard to happy now...