View Full Version : How Bad an Idea was MeTV Toons?


ge
07-20-2024, 02:57 PM
I use OTA for local channels - MeTV is fine - MeTV Toons - it never comes in, the 2x it has worked it is always Casper the Friendly Ghost

I think they over-estimated the people who want to watch cartoons and the local channels who want to pick it up.

24/7 reruns
07-20-2024, 04:12 PM
I use OTA for local channels - MeTV is fine - MeTV Toons - it never comes in, the 2x it has worked it is always Casper the Friendly Ghost

I think they over-estimated the people who want to watch cartoons and the local channels who want to pick it up.

You're basing your opinion on minimal access to the channel. If over the air isn't working consider getting a 7 day free access to Frndly TV. Then you can see all that is offered.

I can't get the channel over the air and my Verizon fios doesn't offer it yet so I got Frndly TV until Fios offers it. I like what is shown. There is a bit of over use of Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies. But there is a great deal of content that I haven't seen in years besides on YouTube.

As time moves on I'm hoping other cartoons are shown. Based on what is already on I can see similar cartoons on in the future.

Examples: There are many Jay Ward cartoons besides Rocky and Bulwinkle. There are cartoons that were created during the same time of Histeria, Duck Dodgers, and 2 Stupid Dogs. There much more besides those.

I would like to see the '80's cartoon block and the puppet shows all on late night change to more traditional classic cartoons. Or at least more recent cartoons in the same vein as the classic cartoons. Like Tazmania, Tiny Toon Adventures, Pinky and the Brain, Animaniacs, Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Cow and Chicken, etc.

ge
07-20-2024, 05:51 PM
Nah - I refuse to pay for most TV. I think the entire roll-out was a big mess.

ge
07-20-2024, 05:57 PM
What is odd to me, they don't even bother promoting it on Toon in With Me (which is becoming more like a talk show every day).

24/7 reruns
07-20-2024, 06:11 PM
Nah - I refuse to pay for most TV. I think the entire roll-out was a big mess.

Not sure how a 7 day free trial cost money. Yes they want payment info but if you cancel during the trial then you pay nothing.

1960'sTVfan
07-20-2024, 07:16 PM
I love The Flintstones but aside from that I'm not much of a cartoon watcher.

As a kid growing up in the 1960's, I used to look forward to Saturday mornings and watch the Saturday morning cartoons on TV. But when I reached the age of about 10, the appeal started to wear off and I lost interest in the Saturday morning toons.

BigManMike
07-20-2024, 07:39 PM
I enjoy the Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry. Would be nice if the Flintstones and Scooby Doo were on a little later in the evening but overall it’s a good channel.

merlinjones
07-20-2024, 08:16 PM
I get two MeTVToons stations and I truly enjoy it.

I have watched quite a bit and thank them for bringing it to us. Laughter, absurdity and caricature is sorely needed in our current, constantly offended, culture. Finding humor ourselves is essential.

There are some scheduling changes I would make to create a better flow but I'm still so happy to have it at all. My favorites so far: Looney Tunes, Jetsons, Jonny Quest, MGM, Scooby Doo (original seasons only), Josie and the Pussycats, Rocky & Bullwinkle, Underdog, Flintstones (og series only). Not a fan of any of the post 1980 shows.

Too bad some of these non H/B shows have been recut and repackaged but its better than nothing!

I hope revisting these classic cartoons rekindles a childlike view of the world for all ages -- and brings back the charm of hand drawn animation as a viable option.

cd637299
07-20-2024, 09:05 PM
As a watcher, my issue might be that Toons started too early—in the sense that many more studios’ cartoon outputs need for Weigel to grab the rights.

Some cartoons have so FEW episodes, that they’ll be run into the ground rather fast.

I have no issue if they run 1930’s black and white stuff. Sure, the humor is lost on many, due to their references to a very distant past…but maybe if they have a little reference-history-lesson between the cartoons (much like Toons is doing now as far as trivia and tributes for animation’s “hall of fame” cartoonists), there are plenty more to show.

Shows that have less than 65 episodes shouldn’t be running Mon-Fri. Spread things out!

I for one am enjoying all over again Paramount’s Modern Madcap series, and glad that Toons is running it. They are funny for all ages. Very satirical stuff.

I do understand the lack of a huge library at this time—but I say for now, let it grow, let it grow, let it grow!

cd

Charles Knox
07-20-2024, 09:22 PM
I use OTA for local channels - MeTV is fine - MeTV Toons - it never comes in, the 2x it has worked it is always Casper the Friendly Ghost

I think they over-estimated the people who want to watch cartoons and the local channels who want to pick it up.

The fan interest and ratings are there, but I think they had no idea how much resistance they were going to get from television stations not wanting to carry what they consider a new kids channel. They have only been able to pock up one new station since launch.

Weigel Broadcasting has to carry a portion of the blame for refusing to convert existing low rated StoryTV and Dabl networks over to METV Toons and for not using Toon In With ME the right way to help promote the new network. The channel also should have launched with way more Hanna-Barbara shows and less 80's toons.

This sort of feels like the whole Oprah Winfrey and Hub Network garbage all over again.

stevea
07-20-2024, 10:06 PM
They do need access to more classic cartoons. I'm a big fan of Looney Tunes but, yes, I think they overdo it on the channel. And they have short-run shows on daily, such as tha newer Yogi Bear thing--just bring back the original H-B shows!

I'm critiquing based on their schedule since I have no access to the channel. Charles makes a good point, and I'd gain instant access to it if they rebranded that awful channel, Dabl. Its home improvement channel concept failed and it now just runs third rate 90s comedies. In other words, filler.

Or they could let stations out of ther Dabl/Story TV contract if they would carry MeTV Toons.

cd637299
07-20-2024, 10:07 PM
The fan interest and ratings are there, but I think they had no idea how much resistance they were going to get from television stations not wanting to carry what they consider a new kids channel. They have only been able to pock up one new station since launch.

Weigel Broadcasting has to carry a portion of the blame for refusing to convert existing low rated StoryTV and Dabl networks over to METV Toons and for not using Toon In With ME the right way to help promote the new network. The channel also should have launched with way more Hanna-Barbara shows and less 80's toons.

This sort of feels like the whole Oprah Winfrey and Hub Network garbage all over again.

This goes back earlier for yours truly. I myself was not happy in the least, when the CBS O&O’s cut the deal with Weigel to drop Decades (which really deserved better) for StartTV. WFOR Miami is my CBS O&O, so it had to fall in line.

Decades was a very ambitious project, mixing history with classic TV, even showing extremely obscure old TV shows at times, like “Everglades!” and “One Happy Family.” Of course it had the daily anchor show “Through the Decades”; CBS News footage provided.

For a subchannel, it was a true oasis. Maybe the first salvo in sinking that ship was having old Dick Cavett shows daily—possibly a response to Carson on AntennaTV. I never cared for Cavett; YMMV, but that seemed to weigh Decades down.

Toons is definitely NOT a kids’ channel—nor is ANY subchannel, merely based on Medicare ads, the Chime app, or similar stuff. Even TBD, supposedly for millenials—same ads, right? Ah, for the days of toy & cereal commercials!!

And of course, much of the classic toons’ violent content has stayed intact. Chuck Jones woulda been proud.

cd

stevea
07-20-2024, 10:10 PM
One other thing--it's early in the game, and the channel hasn't even been on the air a month yet. MeTV Plus is still struggling along with a limited number of stations and that's been up for a few years..

Charles Knox
07-20-2024, 10:45 PM
Just watched the recent youtube interview where Neal Sabin talks about sinking millions of dollars into this network, but I feel like it will be all for naught, if they don't do what it takes to make it available for everyone.

He said they are using the money that MeTV generates into all the subchannels and it is showing with the movies Svengoolie has been showing this year, the increase of reruns of Toon In With ME and the lack of schedule changes to METV.

I think it would make more business sense to drop and convert some of the lower rated subchannels they currently own and focus on just 5 networks at most.

1. METV
2. H&I
3. Catchy Comedy
4. METV Toons
5. METV +

Movies, select biographies could be moved to METV+ and the 90's UPN /WB shows over to Catchy Comedy. Murder She Wrote would fit in perfectly with H&I.

ge
07-21-2024, 01:08 AM
MeTV lives or dies with Svengoolie at this point. I think he is trying to pass the torch but his torch-bearers are terrible. What is interesting to me is they are trying to turn Toon In With Me into a talk-show.

Charles Knox
07-21-2024, 02:06 AM
What is interesting to me is they are trying to turn Toon In With Me into a talk-show.

Switching over to a morning show format with cartoons, has helped the show pick up more viewers. Before the switchover, it was trying way to hard to be a comedy skit show on a limited budget.

Now you can watch the show, enjoy the cartoons and even learn interesting trivia about your favorite classic shows, such as the recent Toon In with ME interview with Christopher Knight (Peter Brady) about the Brady Bunch.

The problem with Svengoolie right now, is he needs that METV budget to be invested back into the show so he can buy bigger movies such as Jaws and The Birds. Too much of the profits from METV are maybe being funneled into other Weigel Broadcasting
projects.

Not having the necessary funds might also be a possible reason why METV couldn’t have a proper Newhart tribute on Sunday. The current Newhart show contract might only allow it to be shown on one network and they would have to pay extra if they run the Newhart shows on two networks.
Recently losing My Three Sons might also be another sign of the METV budget being stretched to far.

Maybe it would have been better if METV Toon launched with just the Warner Brothers Looney Tunes and Hanna-Barbara libraries and later on based on the network's success they could have added the other studio animation libraries.

All of this pondering just to say they might of went a bridge to far way too soon.

ge
07-21-2024, 09:36 AM
True - but the Morning Guy was doing aerobics. It has to end

Comet ran Terminator this weekend. They are either going to give Svengoolie more money or it's over. I said it before, MeTV runs or dies with Svengooliel

BigManMike
07-21-2024, 10:27 AM
Switching over to a morning show format with cartoons, has helped the show pick up more viewers. Before the switchover, it was trying way to hard to be a comedy skit show on a limited budget.

Now you can watch the show, enjoy the cartoons and even learn interesting trivia about your favorite classic shows, such as the recent Toon In with ME interview with Christopher Knight (Peter Brady) about the Brady Bunch.

The problem with Svengoolie right now, is he needs that METV budget to be invested back into the show so he can buy bigger movies such as Jaws and The Birds. Too much of the profits from METV are maybe being funneled into other Weigel Broadcasting
projects.

Not having the necessary funds might also be a possible reason why METV couldn’t have a proper Newhart tribute on Sunday. The current Newhart show contract might only allow it to be shown on one network and they would have to pay extra if they run the Newhart shows on two networks.
Recently losing My Three Sons might also be another sign of the METV budget being stretched to far.

Maybe it would have been better if METV Toon launched with just the Warner Brothers Looney Tunes and Hanna-Barbara libraries and later on based on the network's success they could have added the other studio animation libraries.

All of this pondering just to say they might of went a bridge to far way too soon.

Weigel owns the rights to the shows and they could show them on any of their networks if they wanted to. Newhart was never on MeTV so I don’t know why they would be showing a tribute there. It was always on Decades/Catchy. They could show it on MeTV if they wanted to but they don’t.

And they didn’t lose My Three Sons. They just aren’t showing it right now. They are going to be having a marathon of it on Catchy in the middle of August, so they may bring it back to the schedule at some point.

cd637299
07-21-2024, 10:29 AM
True - but the Morning Guy was doing aerobics. It has to end

Comet ran Terminator this weekend. They are either going to give Svengoolie more money or it's over. I said it before, MeTV runs or dies with Svengooliel

Nah I wouldn’t say that.

Svengoolie is one of the few “in-house” programs done on ANY subchannel, much less MeTV. “Toon In with Me” is another. Budgets for such programs are limited, to say the least.

Big name movies are really unnecessary for Svengoolie. The show is meant to be a throwback to the days of early television, where local TV stations had their own horror-movie host (Miami had WCKT’s “M.T. Graves”), with low budget movies and pithy comments in and out of commercial breaks. The movie is immaterial.

My main beef with MeTV at this time is the lack of changes in programming, which I say should happen every three months or so. Even fans of the shows they have overplayed HAVE to be sick and tired of the same old same old. They HAVE other shows, and it’s almost as bad as AntennaTV now with the lack of a mix.

I think MeTV is okay right now, as they have all kinda social media activity, MeTV Mall, enough to keep things running.

cd

ScreenSavvy
08-25-2024, 09:25 AM
I didn't see it mentioned but a lot of the H-B stuff is being restored. They should have The Yogi Bear and Huckleberry Hound shows by end of the year, and will also be launching The House of Hanna-Barbera to feature a mix of characters that maybe also includes them but also Wally Gator, Loopy De Loop, and Touche Turtle. Super Friends is also coming this fall, and Too Cat just starting airing the remastered versions.

I do agree with the comment on not having small orders weekdays, unless part of a rotation. Wacky Races & Perils of Penelope Pitstop have alternated and they are putting Dastardly & Muttley on starting Fri Sept 13th; the Yogi gang and Scooby shows have also been cycling through (Laff a Lympics starts Sept 2nd in the Scooby slot).

I don't agree with all choices but think it will only get better and that there is definitely interest, and the initial ratings coming in will hopefully show that to help convince other affiliates and cable.

24/7 reruns
08-25-2024, 10:19 AM
It's nice that there will be a continued mix of added cartoons. Lots of Looney Tunes though. The only thing really missing is greater access to cable, satellite, and FiOS. I'm hoping in time that will happen. Until then I'm glad the Frndly is available at a reasonable cost.

24/7 reruns
08-26-2024, 03:58 PM
I've also noticed there's lots of commercials. I mean lots and lots. Luckily most of the cartoons seem unedited. But still.